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多少

Does Rikaisama and Appchan conflict for anyone else?

I just switched from 4chanSS today and, while on 4chan, Rikaisama no longer pops up a blue box. It just shoes black text on the bottom of the page.

When is a good time to start reading things? I've been studying for only a few days now. I was thinking maybe in a week or so I'd try out one of the LNs rated 1/10 on the reading list, but that may be too ambitious of me.

>>90424493
When you got basic grammar down and a vocab of 2000 words. It'll be painfully slow though.

>>90424067

I thought this was danna, husband etc but, does KD lied to me?

>>90424560
Well, I was expecting as much. Seems like it'll be a while before I'll actually be reading anything. I think I'll still try though, I might pick up words that way.

>>90424560
No way you need 2000. You can start with 100, just read easy stuff.

売れっ子タレント二人が激突せんように手綱をひけるのは、麻生さんだけらしいからなー。

Could someone explain the 激突せんように part please?

>>90424560

How could you learn vocabulary without reading anon?

>>90424876
激突しないように

>>90424939
Anki + Core2k

inb4 you can't learn words without context

>>90424846
As long as it keeps you entertained and interested. The reason LNs aren't recommended to beginners are because it is hard to keep up the motivation when you barely understand anything and you need to look up everything. It's not impossible for beginners to read LNs, it will just be slow and painful.

>>90424846
I had already finished my first LN volume by the time i reached 2k vocab. The sooner you start, the better. You need to read to get used to the grammar.

>>90424846
It doesn't take that long. 2000 words and basic grammar is like 1.5 months.

>>90424560
>2000 words vocab

Please, anon. I started reading Yotsuba when I was about 400-500 words into core2k/6k. It was slow and hard as fuck, I could almost feel my head buzzing. Now, I am around 1300 words into core2k/6k, and reading Yotsuba is fast and easy.

>>90425116
I like how people like this say they can read things fast and easy, what they don't tell you is they look up every other word with kanjitomo. That's not reading.

>>90424947
ok thanks

>>90425196
I'm pretty sure yotsuba doesn't exactly need a lot of vocab, so what you're saying doesn't make much sense.

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Look at this bad motherfucker. I was on the verge of killing myself because i was mixing these three for some reason.

I draw this. So fucking good.

>>90425196

You're understanding the grammar at a much faster pace than any other method, you're learning a lot of vocab and you're actually immersing yourself in the language more than you'd be if you were just doing reps. I don't see how it's a bad thing.

>>90425357
Just like almost every discussion in these threads, he feels the need to defend the method he used to learn, otherwise he feels invalidated.

>>90425246
It needs a lot more than 1300 words. You would probably need about 5000 words to actually read Yotsuba without any help.

>>90423921
how am i supposed to tell this apart from 右

>>90425415
Well, the other /a/non basically called him a liar. He needs to defend his honor

>>90425264

Let me guess,Kanji damage?

>>90425196
Looking up every word is not fast, you know. On average, I add about 5-8 words to my deck per chapter, which I consider ok.

>>90425466
one extends behind the top-horizontal line, and one doesn't

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Anyone else read/reading this? Would recommend.

>>90425264

And that's why I quit KD very early on. Learning a bunch of Kanji that have several radicals in common in sequence is just asking to get confused.

>>90425434
I still sometimes need to look up words when reading a difficult book in my native language, that doesn't mean i can't read the book. If you need less than a word/page, that's already quick. And besides, if you knew every single word used in the book before you started reading it, what would even be the point?

>>90425357
I'm not saying it's a bad thing though. I'm just saying comments like he made are not the truth. Looking up tons of words is not the same as actual reading.

>>90425485
It's okkkkeeeeeiii

>>90425116
Yotsuba doesn't count, because it's babby shit and doesn't teach you shit.

>>90425531
When i first started キノの旅, i had to look up pretty much every other word. By the time i was at the last chapter of the first volume, that had reduced to around 3-4 words/page. I learn more vocab from reading than i do from my deck.

>>90425519
Well its my third day and i was doing ok. But right at the end these three came up back to back. I almost broke the again button.

I was probably tired.

>>90425523

>And besides, if you knew every single word used in the book before you started reading it, what would even be the point?

Well, apart from the obvious answer of actually reading it for the content and the enjoyment, reading anything is great exercise for anybody learning the language, even if there isn't new vocab to be learned.

>>90425519
Each to their own but I've found it easier to remember combinations of common radicals than to earn different ones for different kanji. Also strong radicals make learning onyomi easier. I'm not saying you're wrong, just presenting the other view for people wondering how to learn Kanji

>>90425519

Should i give up using KD? i really getting confused with all this same alike jammed into my eyes, even writing 50 times makes no difference at all,i keep confusing all those mother fucker.

>>90425721
This is a japanese learning thread. Do you seriously think someone's time is better used reading a book for which they already know all the words of, than a book they can actually learn words from?

>>90425695
>1 day
>has a reference to time / sunrise and is the opposite of old
>SATAN

>>90425752
You could try RTK. I had problems with KD, but I found RTK to be easier. Also, try imagining the story and how it connects to the kanji. Don't just memorize the story because then you might just brute force them.

>>90425415
>the method he used to learn
What the fuck are you talking about. It's pretty much the only way to learn japanese without living in japan. People disagree about when to start reading, but nobody gets to the point where they can read without looking stuff up, without first reading while looking a bunch of stuff up.

>>90425531

But he's doing it for studying, the only thing that should matter is how efficient it will be as a learning tool. Ever since I started studying Japanese, there's hardly a step that was as meaningful as when I started reading, and I wasn't even done with Tae Kim by then. Hell, I hadn't even started learning vocab yet, all I had was my anime-learned vocab and all of the 1 Kanji words I learned from memorizing the Kanji.

I agree with your point that it might not be proper to call it "reading" but the way you said it felt like you were discouraging him to try and pick an LN or manga and dig his way through it which I think is a terrible thing to do. That's why I felt the need to reply.

>>90425752
Remember the kanji as a combination of symbols. I'm fairly new to this but when I see 旧 for example I just read it out, ’one day', and I remember the mnemonic. I'm on 180 and I remember every one. So it CAN work but you might prefer another method.

>>90425752
Well imo sometimes its useful.

Like 水. And ice and swim. They are back to back and i can tell them apart after seeing them 2 times.

But sometimes it just fucks your head.

>>90425988
I wasn't attacking the post i replied to dumbass, in fact i do the exact same thing.

>>90425752

You should find a method that suits you. If KD isn't working for you, don't hesitate to switch to something else.

>>90425693
Again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just annoying when people claim to be able to read shit with only knowing a couple thousand words, when really their definition of reading is completely different than most.

>>90426051
You clearly have a serious problem of sounding like a disagreeable asshole no matter what your actual opinion is. You should try to fix that.

>>90426044
>Fonzie can swim for ever
>ei

I've been doing pretty well with KD. I've only had issues with a few kanji, and I've figured those out pretty quickly. Is there anything really bad about KD? I don't want to be fucking up my whole learning experience by using it if it's bad.

>bought 5 volumes of キノの旅 a year ago
>read 30 pages or so
>sits on the shelf dusting away
I should really get around to reading that some time instead of playing VNs all day. The writing just feels so stale in that LN.

>>90426093
We're doing this for learning dude, why does it matter if it's slow? If you want to read stuff quickly, go get a book in english. It's much more beneficial to read a book a little harder than your skill level than one a little easier.

>>90426115
Yeah that was fucking retarded. But i don't use mnemonics so that doesn't bother me much.

>>90426093
Do people actually claim that? People say they start reading at X words or whatever, but I don't think I've seen anyone claim they are actually reading fluently when they first start. Except maybe a minority of RTK/KD fags who confuse "reading the furigana and guessing the meaning" with reading.

>>90426171
Nothing wrong with it. Because the order is determined by radicals you might learn strange words before more useful ones but thorough > quick IMO.

If it helps you remember that's the most important thing. That said it doesn't hurt to check out other methods.

>>90426013
No, I'm actually a fan of reading as soon as possible. Skipping shit like Yotsuba all together in favor of a light novel is better in my opinion. I just don't want people to think they can actually read anything with just 1000 words it's just setting them up to get frustrated and quit.

So what do I need to do to build up my vocabulary?

>>90425809

You don't need to be obsessed with max efficiency to learn Japnese at a fast pace. Sometimes I'm tired and I just want to read an easy manga and relax without caring for increasing my deck or learning anything new in particular. It's good exercise nevertheless since it forces my mind into Japanese mode.

>>90426226
It was retarded but it helped me, so I don't mind. I'm moving away from the mnemonics though, older kanji just click without them now.

>>90426306
The question asked at the start was "When is a good time to start reading things?", not "When am i going to be able to read fluently?", and i disagree that you need to finish core2k before you start yotsuba.

>>90426219
>I'm not saying it's a bad thing
Holy fuck you're stupid, don't bother responding to this.

>>90426254
The guy I was originally responding to did.

>>90426315
Grind Anki, read, add unknown words to another deck, grind that, ad infinitum

>>90426315
日本人の心を食べて

>>90426409
When did I say that you needed that? Try reading the post you're responding to first. I was responding to someone who said they could read Yotsuba "quick and easy" with only 1000 words.

>>90426497
I've yet to try yellow meat. Is that really the only way?

>>90426409
Even if you're looking up every other word you're picking apart sentences and learning how they work. I posted that penguin parallel book earlier in the thread and ill recommend it again. English on one page, jap on the other, combine that with the codefromtokyo dictionary app and anki-ing unknown words, you can get started while you learn kanji and vocab

If nothing else it's satisfying to see the ease of reading increase with your vocab and kanji knowledge.

>>90426579
はい、仕方がないですよ

>>90426579

うん、ロリっ子でしたらもっと習えるよ

What do you guys do when you feel like the more you learn the less you know?

>>90426497
日本人の心を食って得るものは、日本人の気弱な性格と自殺傾向だけ。
単語を覚えるには日本女性のクリのほうがいいのでは？

>>90426734

Cry and move on.

>>90426734
Can't say I've thought that yet. But probably read.

>>90426734
I try to learn more because i have promise to myself.

>>90426734
I don't think I ever knew anything. I just somehow can do certain things in Japanese now.

>>90426734
Read more. Post sentences I don't get in DJT.

>>90426497
何よとまd8

>>90426734
Stop, sleep, try again tomorrow
if failed again, try again 2 days after
if that fail, try another method.
ad infintum
as long you don't give up you can't lose

>>90426734
Realize I'll never learn the language and slack off even more.

>>90426893
You can't lose if you never start either.

>>90424836
You did not read the introduction pages to KanjiDamage, did you?

So what's the best starting reading material? Keep it at retard level please.

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>>90426497
>feeling when you read that quickly

>>90427021

But "they" win by W.O, we can't have that can we?

What do you guys think is more important understanding every sentence or getting the gist of the paragraph?

>>90427098
feels good. Only gets better from here (I think?)
inb4 people shooting you down
luv u

>>90427152
You need to understand the sentence and every word. As well, every kanji. If you can't detail the history of a particular kanji by memory, you might as well sudoku.

>>90427152
At the beginning? Every sentence.

>>90427152
Whichever is the best you can do without spending an unreasonable amount of time.

>>90427098
You're nothing, ともｄ８.

>>90424560
I'm not even sure if I had a vocabulary deck when I started reading.
If you cover 20 new words a day it would take you around three months to get started assuming you hadn't read anything before then.

who vita here

>>90427289
You won't deter me, punk

I'm going to learn so much japanese

>>90427304
>buying a vita

>>90427304
Call me when you can play pirated games.

>>90427083
Not that guy but i am using KD too. And i read through everything. I don't remember anything related to this?

>>90427152

Alternate between the two. Trust your gut and decide every time if you want to understand every sentence of that paragraph or just move on cause you get what it's supposed to be saying.

>>90427443
neither

>>90427443
You're just retarded then.

>>90427304

Best Nanoha.

>>90427485
Ok :3

>>90427304
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLtf-1qnDY4

KKK on vita is pretty fucking cool.
If that's too difficult for you, try LB or FSN. Or there's bunch of those anime-VN things.

>>90427440
You already can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSsd0yJi6Oo&feature=player_detailpage&t=124

>>90427699
I believe that was only for psp games, though, not for vita games. The game he plays in the video is a PSP game.

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>>90426414
>Holy fuck you're stupid
>he really just used the number one sign of a failing argument while trying to prove his point
We all mess up sometimes.

>that guilty feel when I recognize a compound word but not one of its kanji

>>90426734
I just remind myself that I put way too much time into this to just drop it. Also, I remind myself how much I despise people who start, last a few months, then drop, then come back again, rinse and repeat, and that I don't want to be one of them

>>90428347
>caring at all about the meaning of the kanji when you can read the word

>>90428347
>that feel when you fuck up a card so many times that it gets suspended

>>90428641
Yeah, just yesterday I disabled auto-suspending leeches.

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>>90427304
Another vita-bro here. When I go to sleep, I imagine all those sweet imports I will be able to play when I be good enough at japanese, and how I will be able to look down on people in Vita generals who complain about lack of localization.

>dat amazing Danganronpa Reload 1+2 pack front cover

>>90428347
>not knowing a kanji but correctly guessing its reading from a radical

>>90426734
I give myself the delusion that I'll go to Japan and learn everything I didn't know.

I wonder what learning the last joyo kanji feels like

>>90428889

Feels like you still have a long way ahead of yourself. Much longer than what you've done so far.

>>90428347
Like knowing 大丈夫 with actually knowing the individual kanji?

>>90428982
I'm ok with this

>>90429082

Oooh, that kind of guilty feeling.

>>90428889
Relief and then you realize that it's not worth shit.

10000 words later and I still have to look up one word or two for every 3 or 4 sentences.

>>90429082
big something husband
fuck

>>90428982
>that feel when I saw around 25-30~ new kanji today and I know over 3500 kanji
dab fhukin fiel
>>90429220
?
I still don't understand really well what you're saying

>>90429082

Everyone learns 大 right off the bat and 夫 I believe comes early for most people, but 丈... Well, I still don't know what it means outside of 大丈夫 and 丈夫. Not that I care, I'll learn it eventually and I'm learning a bunch of more useful things instead. I see no reason to feel guilty besides autistic perfectionism.

Well, I am on /a/.

>>90429296
May I ask what the hell you're reading? I didn't encounter that many new kanji per day even while reading Muramasa.

>>90429296

What sort of pretentious bullshit were you reading?

So i'm new at using KD, but i don't know what am i to do with with the compound, should i learn that too?

Should i drop RTK in favor of core2K-6K and reading immersion to acquire vocabulary? I already have the gist of grammar.

>>90429309
Height/Stature
背丈　丈
> I see no reason to feel guilty besides autistic perfectionism.
I wouldn't really consider knowing that autistic perfectionism considering it's not at all uncommon.

>>90429439
Why not both? You don't have to drop anything

>>90429453

Please don't take my sentence out of context. I said:

>I'll learn it eventually and I'm learning a bunch of more useful things instead. I see no reason to feel guilty besides autistic perfectionism.

>>90429296
If you've read ノルウェイの森, is it really that good?

>>90429518
Well, it's just that i find RTK to be a bother and not as fulfilling as core6k/immersion method.

Is it worth to keep studying it until i have the 2k kanji?

>>90429453
> 大丈夫
> big stature husband
Sometimes Japanese makes me laugh.

>>90429750
I did that and I am glad I did not stop, though some people might think otherwise. And I still continue adding new kanji to my RTK deck

>>90428339
Except the point was that we were saying the same thing. There was no argument there, so you lose again.

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>>90430352
can we all just stop

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What are these supposed to be?

>>90430869

Hi and Sa
Hisashiburidana~!

>>90430869
ひさ

>>90430869
ひさ

You should make sure to learn all possible variations of each kana.++

>>90430869
久しぶり

>>90430869
ひさ

So what's your daily schedule?

For me it's
Wake up at 3PM. finish reps at 6-7PM
Play VN the rest of the day, occasional fapping to doujins inbetween
Go to sleep at 6AM

>>90430954
>>90430950
>>90430941
>>90430938
Why are they missing parts?

>>90431020
see
>>90430950
>You should make sure to learn all possible variations of each kana.

>>90430938
>ronigji

>>90431020

Because the ink ran out.

>>90431020
さ is often written like that. ひ is just a typeface thing.

>>90431020

They're not. It's just a funny font.

>>90431020
That just how the font is, I guess. In handwritten kana, at least, it's common to separate the upper part from the lower part in さ and similar characters.

>>90430968
Wake up at 6:30 AM, do my daily reading. If there's class, do reps on the way, if not do after reading. If i'm up for it, after classes read some untranslated VN, if not read manga/watch anime. At 11PM, read whatever LN i'm reading ATM, sleep at 12PM.

>>90431020
See >>90430950
Some Kana have different (hand)writings, depends on the font.
Kinda like how the handwritten "a" looks different than the a you read on computerwritten papers.

>>90430968
On normal days:

Wake up at 6 am. Do reps.
Read VNs, LNs, watch anime, until 1:30 when I go to work.
Come back at 9 and continue with the reading/watching.

On weekends, it's the morning schedule until sleep, except I take an hour to swim in the pool so my body doesn't totally decay.

>>90431075

(´°3°)

>>90430450
No I'm going to keep replying.

>>90430968
Wake up at 6am
Doing my exercise (push up, lifting sit up,etc)
Anki,Tae kim
Work
Play vidya/Read manga etc etc till fall asleep
4 chan in every schedule i can't live without you guys
sage for blogging

>>90431242
>>>/fit/

>>90431329

Exercising before studying feels good, and helpful.

>>90431329
>thinking /fit/ does bodyweight exercises

>>90431494
just admit that you're just doing it for bettering your chances of impressing and getting a grill

>>90431242

How satisfied are you with the results of bodyweight exercises? I hate the gym and the sun, but for the first time in my life I'm starting to accumulate fat.

Also, what's etc?

>>90430968
wake up
spend all day on 4chan
regret that I didn't do anything else with my day
go to sleep

>>90430968
Wake up at around 4PM. Make myself some tea and read up on threads I was reading before I went to sleep. Perhaps start on a couple of reps, then get some food.
Play Quake for a while.
Try to get my reps finished by 9-10PM.
Continue playing Quake.
Watch anime I'm following this season and/or browse /a/.
Realize I've spent my whole day playing video games and not improving my moon and go to sleep at about 8AM.

Is there a good site for reading manga in Japanese directly online like you would in batoto? And no, I'm not interested your opinion of how I should be reading my manga. A simple no will suffice.

>>90430968
since my uni did not start yet:

7:30 - shower
8:10 - browsing internet/checking news
8:45 - breakfast
9:10 - either a bit more browsing or starting my reps
11:30-12:00 usually finish my reps by then, some vidya time
Then procrastinating a lot/watching animu/reading a chapter until 8pm
Grab some food at 8pm, then piano for how long I feel (usually until 10:30-11, but sometimes I get to midnight)

>>90430968
Wake up
6 PM
Look for DJT
Sleep

>tfw doing reps right before Anki resets

>>90424493
I read NHK Easy News (and listen too, very handy for listening comprehension). Started after basic grammar and maybe a few hundred words.

Just scarf up all the words you don't know and you'll be impressed how quickly you'll start remembering.

Of course news often has a lot of specialized terms, but that's actually my secret sauce for memorizing kanji - long ass compounds. They're sort of like rainbow tables. You remember something like 人工衛星　or 国際空港 as a single unit and you get 4 on readings for the price of 1, though recall is slower since you, at first, have to mentally dissect the word.

>>90432219
學*

>>90428506
>Also, I remind myself how much I despise people who start, last a few months, then drop, then come back again, rinse and repeat

8 years later and still N5. Feels so bad.

>>90424836
Same here. It's probably differs when you use it in an another jukugo or whatever.

Anybody know any good alternatives to vndb?
I want something I can search with Japanese tags because it's a lot easier to think of what I want with them.

How do you people remember this shit?
Even after trying for a few weeks now, I still don't even know half of the hiragana and katakana.

>>90432505
Most popular 批評空間 for VNs.
erogamescape.dyndns.org

>>90432522

How are you studying? You're not actually following FIFTY FUCKING TIMES YOU BITCH, are you?

Try the drills on this site:

http://japanese-lesson.com/characters/index.html

>>90432522
薬で
>>90432568
Thanks the format on this site is A plus.

>>90432522
>How do you people remember this shit?
I write it down a few times while saying it out loud.
That said I got the kana down in a few days.

>>90432522
私の脳がいいから

>>90432568
>http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/taglist.php
This list is pathetic. If possible I'd like something with a good tagging system because I like to use that.

>>90432903
Nevermind this works quite well.
http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/attlist.php

>>90432903
That's just recently added tags.

>>90432790
> tfw クソ脳

Am I the only one who was totally put off by the /b/-tier presentation of KD?

I was a kanji-through-vocab fag anyway, but that site is just nasty. Some of the mnemonics literally read like they were written by a 14 year old.

I guess that makes them memorable, but that's one of the reasons I wanted to avoid mnemonics in the first place. Having a permanent, random association for each character just seems weird.

>>90433114
The theory goes that you eventually lose those associations. Don't know if that's true.

>>90432633
Those drills aren't much different from what I was attempting before.
This shit just doesn't stick with me. Let's say I attempt to learn ten characters in a day. By the time I'm attempting to learn the tenth one, I've already forgotten what the first one was. The only characters I know are 'ah' and 'no.'
>>90432638
>>90432790
pls no bullying
I assume that's what's going on anyways.

Newcomer just dropping in to say the guide's been incredibly helpful. Thanks /a/

>>90433114
>memorizing kanji with the use of mnemonics
top kek

>>90433114

Yeah, I used KD for a while before switching to something else, and it really bothers me that I still can't help thinking of satan when I see 計.

>>90433114
>permanent
False. You only associate them in the process of learning.

>>90433222
What was the mnemonic?

>>90433168
Just　勉強 your 尻 off。

>>90433280

I don't remember, but it had something to do with satan (you know, because say ten).

>>90433280
言(say) + 十(ten) = 計(satan)

How much vocab should I be learning a day? 20? 30? I'm trying to do 20 kanji per day and it's kind of hard.

>>90430968
Wake up somewhere between 8pm-Midnight.
Browse 4chan, check Pixiv, ect.
Watch anime till 4 o'clock.
Do reps till about 5 or so.
Do random reading or play games till I get tired and sleep.
Also, fap whenever I feel like it.

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>>90432329
Sorry if it hurt you, man. It was not directed to people like, it was to those who do what I described, but they brag how they know everything and stuff. Once you gather enough motivation to break through the farthest point you've ever gotten to, you will not want to stop.

When I was a kid, I had a few of videogames I never finished. I always beat them to a certain point and then gave up. It repeated many times. But once I grew up a bit and finally beat them, the satisfaction was indescribable. I believe you can do it.

pic semi-related

>>90433114
>Having a permanent, random association for each character just seems weird.
Yeah, that's what bothers me too with KD, some of them are really tasteless. But I'm not a mnemonics guy so don't read them anyway most of the time.

Though I still can't help but think of the doubles guy when I read あ.

>>90433244
>2 month weekly in gym can get you a "fit" body
Try posting this shit on /fit/ and see how many people laugh at you.

>>90431682
This, this right here ;_;

>>90432329
Damn, and I'm disappointed in myself for taking 3 years for N2. If I had just put in the effort I'd at least be literate if not fluent.

>>90433231
Some will stay with you forever. For example, I once made a mistake with a mnemonic and it has screwed me up ever since. I thought 閉 meant "open", and it was easy to remember because it had オ in the center, so it stood for open. Of course, soon after I realized it actually meant closed, but I have to think about it every single time I see it now.

Mnemonics, not even once.

>>90433372
>>90433595
>>90433464
God, this makes me glad I opted for the 'naturalistic' approach. I guess since I also go from recognizing the kanji as a whole first -> learning the radicals later for disambiguation and writing, I'm just about as anti-KD as you can get.

That being said, I'm going at around 35 kanji/day, each beautifully attached to a compound or otherwise useful word with an example sentence sporked from either the news or Weblio's examples.

So, yes, this is a shameless plug for my pet method.

>>90432329
I'm like that, I studied on and off for years, learned basic shit at like 14, then a bunch of vocab at 16 etc. up till now, except I buckled down the last few months and am now pretty decent. Good enough to play most VNs and stuff as long as I have a dictionary on hand.

>>90433585
N2 in 3 years seems ok, considering that you probably had a job/other stuff to study. I know there was some anon who got N1 in barely under a year, but he was doing literally nothing but eating/sleeping/studying

I am going to join you guys learning to read/write japanese. I already know katakana and hiragana, but the kanji just overwhelmed me. I didnt use any guide or something to learn them either.

That starting guide seems like a good way to get into learning kanji. I will come back to this thread again tomorrow and report in.

確かに、手を伸ばせば宇宙に届く時代、わざわざ望遠鏡で星を観察する酔狂者はいないのかもしれない。

So this is basically saying that in this age where you can go to space, people that'd like looking at stars through a telescope aren't many. Or am I off?

Instead of thousands of fucking kanji, why not just use hiragana for everything and implement spaces to divide words?

>>90434460
I'd probably say it more like, "Even in this age where space is possible to reach out and touch, eccentric people who purposefully observe the stars through a telescope are still few in number" And I have no clue where to stick in the かもしれない because fuck translating is hard. Basic idea is the same though.

>>90434908
You'll find out after you learn a couple hundred kanji and reading through things in hiragana only is a huge fucking pain in the ass.

Today's reading exercise:

最初の印象
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001669/files/54480_49795.html
By 大倉燁子

　江戸川先生に始めてお目にかかったのはもう二十年近くも前のことです。
　池袋のお宅のお座敷で、先生をお待ちする間、私の心は好奇心と不安が交錯していました。
　と、いうのは、その頃。
「江戸川乱歩先生のお書斎にはドクロがつるしてある。お化けの人形がぶら下っている、その無気味な雰囲気の中で、先生は深夜人の寝鎮るのを待って、蝋燭の灯で仕事をされる」等々の記事が雑誌に掲載されたり、人の噂にのぼっていたからです。
　とにかく先生は普通の方ではない、だからああいう小説がお書けになるのだと私は思っていました。が、それにまた異常な魅力を感じ、いつも驚異な眼で御作を拝見していたのです。エキセントリックな方だ、とは思っていました。作品全体に漂う、幻想、怪奇、猟奇から考えても、そういう御生活をしていられるのは当然なこと、これは事実だろうと思っていました。
　それから大変気難しい方だとも聞いていました。私は怖れをなして一度尻込みしてお目にかかりたいという希望を捨てようかと思ったのです。
「そんなに心配することはありません。とても親切ないい方ですよ。僕は原稿を持って行っては、教えて頂いているんですが――」
　これはたった一人の先生のお弟子だと自称していたある青年が、私の心をはげましてくれた言葉でした。

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>>90435152
　そういういろいろなことを、頭に浮べながら、軽卒にお訪ねしたことを、半分後悔しながら、ぼんやりとお庭を眺めていました。
　ところが、お座敷に姿をお見せ下さった先生は、ゴシップや想像を裏切って、気軽な明るい、いかにも社交的な朗らかな方なのにまずびっくりしてしまいました。
　いい加減の噂はするものではない、また噂を信ずるものではない、と、つくづく思ったことでした。お目にかかった瞬間に私の不安は一っぺんに吹き飛んでしまいました。あの青年の云った言葉がほんとだったのです。
　そのことを後で青年に話しましたら、青年得意になって、
「先生にはいろんな面があるから一口にこういう方だと、云いきることは出来ませんよ。僕は一度浅草にお伴をした時、公園の砂利の上に座って乞食の真似をされた。その時なんざあ絶対に明るい社交的な方とは見えませんでしたからね」
　その後、いく度もお目にかかってから、この青年のあとの話は、嘘だったなと思いました。何んでも優れた方は常人でなく、変った方にして、置きたいものなのでしょう。
　しかし、彼の言葉をほんととすれば、先生にはいろいろな面がおありだそうですから、お書斎での御生活はあるいはあの円満な社交とはきり離されておられるのかも知れません。それは外部のものの覗うことの出来ぬものでしょう。それからもっと、もっと面白い面も持っていらっしゃるのかも知れません。

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>>90435171
　先生を心から尊敬しほんとうに御親切な方だと思ったのは終戦後です。私はお金をつかい果して困った揚句、突然先生のところへ伺って本の出版についてお願いしたのです。時期がおそい、もう少し早かったら何んとかして上げられたのに、とおっしゃいました。私はがっかりして帰ると二三日過ぎてから、先生の御頼みである書店の主人が訪ねてくれました。私は救われたのです。時期を失してしまった私の出版について、先生がどんなにお骨折り下すったかはその書店の主人の口ぶりでも想像がつきました。
　印税も一度に渡してしまうと直ぐ使ってしまうから、毎月に割って渡してやってくれとお言葉添えがあったそうです。そこまで考えて下さる御親切な方があるものか、とつくづく思いました、そして私はこの時この御親切は一生忘れまいと心に誓ったことでした。

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>>90434277
Thanks for sharing dude.
>>90434460
Yeah.
>>90434908
Wai natt juhst wrait foneticli?
fuckwhyevenusesspaces?

니혼와 니혼진 따케노 쿠니 짜나이

>>90435301
kimchi dog pls go

>>90435301
Fucking gooks get out of here

>>90435301
>translate.google.com/#auto/ja/니혼와 니혼진 따케노 쿠니 짜나이
わ、判りません

>>90435301
>日本は日本人だけの国じゃない
Clever.

>>90435558
Well played.

>>90435555
>判

>>90435800
必ずしも間違いじゃない

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この漢字が読めないが、教えてくれないか

>>90436718

それは、いろいろな不明な四字熟語で、「中出しされる喜び」と言っています。

>>90426734
remember that 安い has 女 in it and remind myself that, for this and a lot of things, japanese is really worth learning.

>>90438223
Don't forget 姦

>>90438223
Yes, one of the hidden pleasures of studying Lapanese is the absolute cuteness of some kanji.

My favourite is 必. So concice, so direct, a heart - stricken out. It can't be helped, there is no choice. Then you have the downright morbid of 例 or the heartwarming 好. Many more I've ran across that I can't name off the top of my head that just made me say 'ah...'.

>>90438362
What's that, "sisterhood"?
I mean, it's three women after all!

>>90438431
Studying Japanese is also interesting, though not quite as much as Lapanese...

>>90438463
cunning;wicked

>>90438431
明日
Bright day.
Still puts a smile on my face.

>>90438570
Speaking of days, the days of the week are really easy to remember as the Earth's history:

月 - moon is formed
火 - surface molten
水 - oceans form
木 - life arises
金 - humans master metals
土 - humans return to the earth
日 - sun swallows up earth

>>90438736
>life arises
The fuck do trees have to do with that?

>>90438856
Um, because trees are living organisms, I'm guessing?