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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/抔

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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/衒

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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/俟

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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/淳

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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/擽

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エインオン、ファイット！

>>87923991
>エインオン
What

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>>87923991
>インオ、抔

>>87923956
Holy fuck, a kanji I know!
It's never actually used though, always kana

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I just started today.

1. How bad is my handwriting
2. How fast should I learn the hiragana and the katakana? 5 a day? 10 a day? all of them in one day?

>>87924690
>1. How bad is my handwriting
Very
>2. How fast should I learn the hiragana and the katakana? 5 a day? 10 a day? all of them in one day?
If you can learn them within 3 months then you're doing fine. Of course it can take some longer so don't be afraid to slack behind.

>>87924690
I dunno if this is considered slow, but it took about 6 hours spread out over the course of three days for me to learn all the kana.

>>87924741
This is a troll, i learned kana in a week, if you take 3 months you're clinically retarded.

>>87924690

Everyone's handwriting sucks, most of all the Japanese's. If your handwriting looks good, it just means you take way too long to write.

A week or so for all kana should be enough, then start grammar and kanji. If you're not completely fluent in reading kana by that point, it will come naturally as you read moar.

>>87924771
>not just using roman jay

>>87924690
1
>Handwriting.
>2013
2
You should be able to learn both the kana within 3 days. Maybe not completely memorised, but you should be able to read (badly) in kana.
Then start on the rest of the language.

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>>87924690
Use fuckin' mnemonics yo.

It makes it SOOO easy to learn them. I uploaded these to dropbox for a friend the other day. Just got to realkana and test yourself when you look through them.

You can get the gist of all of them in like two hours.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qch89hlrmhknabv/FP3w9Rklcj

Some of these are so fucking retarded you can't help but learn them. And there are info pages on modifications that are really helpful too.

>>87924741
What was that forum with people learning 5 kanji a week and thinking it was too fast?

Shit was the funniest thing I've seen in years.

>>87924690
Honestly you should just move at your own pace unless you just need to learn quickly. The sooner you get through them though the sooner you can move on to bigger things.

>that feel when you can finally read all those 熟女 games that will never get translated

>>87924929
yesjapan, from the makers of japanese from zero.

>>87924911
That first one sucks man. You should do what you did with た and try to make them associated with letters. Like し is a backwards J.

Why are flashcards so shit

>>87924690
Do as you feel fit, but I would not spend more than a week on both hiragana and katakana. Don't expect to know them perfectly by the time you finish it, it takes practice. Video games, manga, anime, and Tae Kim's grammar guide will help you sharpen your kana skills. Tae Kim's guide is especially helpful because it teaches you grammar and, at the same time, gives you your kana practice

>>87924961
Jukujo? You mean eroge or VNs, right?

>>87924690
Dat handwriting. The only passable ones are え, こ、け, and く.

What the fuck is that う.

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>>87924911
Also: do you guys think I should upload the ones for Katakana too?

They really are ridiculously helpful with learning the two phonetic alphabets. Some $3 app on iOS.
>>87925047
I didn't make these. But they do work very well, and they're all pretty good little phrases and stuff which makes recognizing the characters very easy. I literally learned both Hiragana and Katakana in 2ish hours each with this.

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>>87924690
こんなことを話すのは駄目だ。仮名についての話はもういやだよ。毎日毎日同じことをしやがってる。
死にたい

>>87925087
勿論

>>87924221
>ジョルギ

トップワロタ

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I set review limit to 0, thinking that it would set maximum reviews to infinite.

A couple weeks later, I realized that I hadn't been getting reviews, figured out the problem, and now I have 1k reviews sitting on my plate.

Please send help.

>>87925691
Thought they call it eroge there.

>>87925838
馬鹿萌え

>>87925838

How do you not notice you're not getting reviews?

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>>87925838
Try to be less retarded.

>>87923788 (OP)
I love kanji that use 口 and 人 together like this for some reason.
Too bad most are out-dated.

>>87926091
口 and 人 are in general neat looking characters in my opinion. I also like 山 a lot too. 扌 I dislike.

Whatever happened to the daily idiom?

>>87925442
ならば自殺しろ、アホ。

>>87926236
Anything with 扌 is easy to remember imo. Now 糸 is one cheeky cunt.

>>87926459

Nah, 糸 is neat because the kanji that use it nearly always have something to do with "connecting".

>>87926459
I like 糸、they usually have some "connection".

>>87926402
お前が自殺してほしかったら、俺は生きる選択しかないね。

>>87926459
I just don't like it as much as I like others. 糸 usually doesn't look all too neat either except in some cases in my opinion.

Is there a more convenient way to make or have Anki cards rather than to individually write every word you see down as you see it?

>>87926559
>>87926594
I'm talking more about remembering the kanji it's into. Like, I sit down and try to write something, and I remember how it is.

I agree that it's a nice one for recognition.

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>>87926390
Daily Idiom
雨が降ろうが槍が降ろうと
雨+が+降ろう+が+槍+が+降ろう+と(also が)
あめがふろうとやりがふろうと
come hell or high water (lit: even if rain or spears fall); no matter what happens

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>>87926951
Jisho only shows the result for 「雨が降ろうが槍が降ろうが」when searching in the Japanese bar, not the と version even though both are on Jisho

>>87926654
お・おまえも

>>87926722

Get a premade deck? If you open anki at the bottom of the screen should be a button names "Get Shared". Then get which decks you want. I've been using Core 2k series for listening and recognition personally. There's also things like a Tae kim, KanjiDamage, and Heisig decks.

>>87927744
言ったことが分からなかったみたいだ

>tfw you can read VNs decently but find it too boring because of the low reading speed

>>87929067
お-おまえこそ
ぶっころすわ

>>87929291
>お-お
「お、お」だよ

So only adjectives and verbs have okurigana?

>>87929670
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okurigana#Informal_rules

goddamn, it's very hard to play eroges in a house full of people.

i can't take it easy like this

>>87929872
I hate when my parents visit me and i can't play eroge. Even browsing 4chan is dangerous.

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>people go out of the way to mention that す has most if not all of the u sound cut
>no one mentions all of the other different sounds
Listening to speech is both enlightening, and troublesome considering I have that much more to study.
aside from that, what do you anons do to get your listening practice in?

>>87930705
>no one mentions all of the other different sounds
It's extremely effortless to pick up on without even trying.

>>87930705
I tend to watch chinese cartoons, but that's just me.

>>87930705
I think one of the things that should be said more is all the variations ん has. I watch everything I can in japanese since like 2 years ago. It hasn't helped much.

>>87930783
well I realized it now but It's just extra effort to recognize things.

>>87930705
If you watch enough subbed anime to visit /a/, you probably already have all the cut sounds buried somewhere in your head.

Learning 気をつけて for the first time was mind-blowing.

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Today's reading exercise:

フクロウの染め物屋
From Hukumusume: http://hukumusume.com/douwa/amime/jap/j04_21.html
Audio reading: www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0CHyE0RHsA

　むかしむかし、鳥のフクロウが染め物屋(そめものや)の店を始めました。
「さあ、いらっしゃい、いらっしゃい。
　フクロウの染め物屋は、何でも上手に染めますよ。
　さあ、さあ、どなたでもいらっしゃい」
　すると仲間の鳥たちが、珍しそうに集まって来ました。
「染め物屋さん、わたしを黄緑に染めてくださいな」
「わたしは、頭だけを赤く染めてね」
「はい、はい、かしこまりました」
　ウグイスは黄緑に、おしゃれなツルは頭の上を赤く染めてもらって上機嫌です。
　そこへ、カラスがやって来て言いました。
「よし、ぼくも染めてもらおうかな」
「はい、カラスさん。お色は、何にいたしましょう？」
「そうだねえ・・・」
　カラスは少し考えると、いばって言いました。
「ぼくは鳥の中で一番頭が良いから、誰が見ても一目で分かる素晴らしい色がいいな」
「誰が見ても、一目で分かる色ですか。・・・はい、承知しました。さあ、どうぞこちらへ」
　フクロウは大きなつぼの中へ、染め粉をといて入れました。
「さあ、この中で行水(ぎょうすい)をしてください。誰が見ても一目で分かる、素晴らしい色になりますよ」
　そこでカラスは染め粉をといたつぼの中に入ると、全ての羽が染まるように行水をしました。

(Part 1)

>>87931072
before I started learning japanese I wasn't listening to the voices. Listening to the voices in whatever I watch is what made me realize I needed to go back and look at what I was hearing.

>>87931201
「もう、染まったかい？」
「はい、見事に染まりました。いや、これは素晴らしい色だ」
　フクロウがほめるので、カラスはわくわくしながら自分の姿を小川にうつしてみました。
　すると、どうでしよう。
　カラスの体は、頭から尾の先まで全てまっ黒なのです。
「何だ、これは！」
　カラスはカンカンに怒って、フクロウに文句を言いました。
「やいやい、これのどこが素晴らしい色なんだ！」
「えっ？
　ご注文通り、素晴らしい色ではありませんか。
　これなら誰が見ても、一目であなたとわかりますよ」
「確かに一目で分かるけど、まっ黒なんてひどいや！　何とかしろ！」
　しかしカラスがいくら怒っても、一度染めた色はどうにもなりません。

　こうしてカラスの色は、まっ黒になったのです。
　そしてフクロウはカラスから逃げるように森の中に隠れて、夜にしか出てこなくなりました。

おしまい

>>87924690
To be honest, it's not bad. Contrary to popular belief, most natives are worse than that.

I'm a native and my handwriting is god-awful for both Japanese and English.

>祝電
I saw it.

What's the closes to future tense in japanese?

>>87933354
The non past tense is either present or future unless it's something like いる、ている、ある、てある、 and others.

>>87933354
Hm, good question. Japanese has a whole different set of conjugations compared to English.
I would say it ultimately depends on the time, but plain form is used the most probably, with additions (what are they called?) on it.
Are you going to run? can be as simple as 走るの？

>>87933495
This guy seems more learned in the classes.

>>87933575
>additions (what are they called?)
Verb conjugations, or just conjugations.

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寂しい

>>87934149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBktYJsJq-E

>>87934149
私泣く毎時

Ｌｏｏｋｉｎｇ　ｆｏｒ　ａ　ｌｉｔｔｌｅ　ｈｅｌｐ　ｈｅｒｅ．　Ｆｏｒ　ｓｏｍｅ　ｒｅａｓｏｎ，　ｍｙ　ｃｏｍｐｕｔｅｒ　ｉｓ　ｓｗｉｔｃｈｉｎｇ　ｔｏ　ｆｕｌｌ　ｌｅｎｇｔｈ　ａｌｐｈａ　ｎｕｍｅｒｉｃ　ｉｎｓｔｅａｄ　ｏｆ　ｈａｌｆ　ｗｉｄｔｈ　ｌｉｋｅ　ｉｔ’ｓ　ｓｕｐｐｏｓｅｄ　ｔｏ　ｗｈｅｎ　Ｉ　Ｈｏｌｄ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｈｉｆｔ　ｋｅｙ　ａｎｄ　ｔｙｐｅ．　Ｈａｓ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｈａｐｐｅｎｅｄ　ｔｏ　ａｎｙｏｎｅ　ｅｌｓｅ？　

>>87934279
Are you using Google IME? Use alt+` instead.

>>87934272
>毎時
>not 毎回

>>87934352
I was trying to make it broken english, like the original.

>>87934394
I cry every time is perfectly fine English. You can't really fuck up the spelling like you can in English so I think you're at a loss.

>>87934476
Just draw it out on paper with the radicals fucked up/in the incorrect order then scan it and post it.

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What does this mean?

>>87935188
The pleasure of many people being cummed inside of

>>87935188
Slut.

>>87935188
Something like "Many people pray at breakfast, Yuu-chan"

舗
>counter for folded maps

Are these niggas serious?

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>>87935394
>breakfast
Excuse my retardedness

>>87935450
No they're not.

>>87935450
I've never had a problem with the overly specific counters because they're seldom used, but I do have trouble distinguishing which one to use for more abstract ideas.

>>87934476
You can do it like this if you want to show miswritten characters
毎口
海同
母向
or like this for uncorrected mistyped characters or wrong conversions
前海

>>87936242
I then doing something like 毎会 would be the best otherwise you'd just confuse people.

Is it necessary to learn katakana or can I just skip it. Seem's like a hassle to learn.

>>87935394
this is horribly funny.

Needs context because I'm too lazy to search it up now.

>>87936872
And the stupidest post of the thread goes to...

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>>87936872
Don't bother learning those crappy symbols, they barely even use them anyway.

>>87936872
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gairaigo_and_wasei-eigo_terms
Useless, right?

>>87936872
Actually yes, you can skip Katakana, it is entirely unnecessary. Did you know in 1990 the Japanese government started phasing out Kanji with roumaji? Yup! In fact, the only people who know Kanji now are scholars on ancient pre-90's Japanese and neckbeard faggots like people in this thread! Now that you know that Kanji and Katakana are useless, I think you should know that you already wasted your time learning Hiragana, but it's okay, you now know more "ancient" Japanese than 98% of the Japanese population, isn't that neat?

>>87937104

Well actually I didn't even learn my hiragana. I started learning japanese 2 days ago. Just reading some little guides here and there

>>87937162
Keep doing that, also people here like to bash rosetta stone because it doesn't use their precious drawings, but it's great, i can watch anime raw after using it.

>>87937162
Good! All the better! Here is my 100% sure fire way to learn Japanese the fastest, it is much better if you start this method before you learned any of that useless Kanji/Katakunta/Hiragana dogshit! So here is how I have been improving both my ENGLISH and JAPANESE at the SAME TIME. It's really mindblowing that nobody thought of this before. So most people don't encourage Anime subbed, I agree, reading is MUCH too hard for the average person today. So I went to the drawing board, and came to a solution, what if we made JAPANESE ANIMATION with ENGLISH AUDIO, boom. You are learning both JAPANESE and ENGLISH while still enjoying everything to the fullest! None of that reading shit! We all know reading is for cockgobbling faggots. Now go, get some dubbed anime and learn some Japanese!

>>87937104
>>87937236
>>87937329

The autism level is pretty high in here.

>>87936907
Curious what with you being a native, how many of the OP's kanji do you know? I figured you'd be a better source than somebody from our perspective.

>>87937432
>Internet
>4chan
>/a/
>Daily Japanese Thread
>Thread #CDLV
You don't say?

>>87937329
> Katakunta.
Fuck you, you made me choke on some water.

>>87937751
>2013
>drinking water

>>87937799
You pretty much need to if you take amphetamines.

>>87937464
Hmm, interesting question. It's always annoying to explain this, but here I go.

I'm a native, meaning that I was born in Japan, grew up with only Japanese, and went to 1st grade, where I was pretty smart. I was advanced at my level in Japanese. I moved out after, but I speak 90% Japanese at home with my parents. Outside of that, I rarely got/get any Japanese practice.

Due to that, I can understand the *meaning* of most kanji, almost all the time when it is in context, but I can barely write them out of my memory. I also know barely any *on* of kanji (for example, the on of 東 is トウ).
I understood the meaning of everything except 俟 and 擽. 俟 is probably rarely used, and I've never seen くすぐる written with the kanji, ever. Even on Japanese sites.
I didn't know the on of any of them, even 抔.

>>87938202
Wait how can you know their meanings' without knowing how to read them? Would you happen to know Chinese?

>>87938423
>native speaker

Spanish native speaker here. Ask me anything.

>>87938534
are you a girl

>>87938534
¿De dónde eres y por qué debería importarme? Aquí probablemente hay varios, y no es exactamente un idioma muy difícil que digamos.

>>87938423
I would call it a *native's instinct*. I just do, I don't know how to explain it. It's annoying, like I said.

>>87938571
Yes.

>>87938586
Guess he's not a native speaker.

>>87938586
>¿?
>í
>etc.
Why is your language so ugly?

>>87939242
ü

>>87939242
셔뱀낛으,
Korean looks pretty bad too.

>>87939387
I think it looks pretty neat. You're Japanese though so it's pretty obvious you're going to hate it but yeah. It doesn't sound very good though, though I couldn't really say it sounds bad either.