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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/蝠

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http://jisho.org/kanji/details/鰌

>>/jp/

Three volumes of Yotsuba down, seven more to go. Loving it.

</blog>

So, how have you guys been studying Japanese lately? I've been trying to read ヨスガノソラ but I've had to look up words in almost every sentence so it might be a bit out of my league.

>>89180994
>>89180968
This pretty much.

After that, Aiura if Russian Post doesn't take a year delivering it (should be on the way) and then Sora no Woto VN I guess. And grinding more words. Many, many more words.

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Today is the day I finish grade 2 kanji!

>>89180994
> I've had to look up words in almost every sentence so it might be a bit out of my league.
Probably out of your league to finish it, but I think you can get a lot out of varying the difficulty on what you read.

>>89181126
Today is the day I finish joyo kanji.

No, really. The remaining sixteen, according to my list.

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anybody into ガキの使い?

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>>89180994
Still playing Air. Pretty easy, hope to finish it at the end of this week.

>>89181182
When did you start anon?
I wish to be at your level someday.

Start doing this for kanji you are studying and you'll never forget a reading ever again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sxpJ9UdMlCA#t=1214s

>>89181352
90s Japan was the best Japan

>>89181344
tl;dr is in the previous threads, in short: December, dropped almost immediately, all February, dropped, half of may to finish KD, half of June and till now for the rest. Think of it what you will. My level is shit, mostly because of grammar. Going to speed up vocab grinding, too, I'm way behind where I need to be.

>>89181352
I think I may try to start watching that.

>>89180994
Even Japanese born people have to look up words in VNs a lot. So don't feel discouraged because of it. Its probably will be a good experience for you.

Can someone translate this for me?
>ブラウンさんはそんなにしたくないんですね。
My translation: Mrs. Brown doesn't want to do it that much.

But that doesn't make much sense given the context sense it looks like Mrs. Brown in fact does love doing it. It is said from a 3rd persons perspective who is watching Mrs. Brown doing the activity.

そんなに = to that extent, that much
したくない = does not desire/want to do (something).

>>89181942
Looks correct. Maybe it's a case of irony, I dunno.

>>89180278
>>89180310
Why?

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>>89182291
First day here?

私の伝記
少年はかわいいね

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>yfw people using waniゆっくり think that anki is shit and their site is superior.

Those poor bastards.

>>89182186
Do you think the
>したくない
is referring to herself? She is talking to herself in this scene and it would be better to use
>したがらない
when referring 3rd parties. She also appears to be jealous of Mrs. Brown. So do you think the translation would be
>Mrs. Brown is going to such an extent...I don't even want to do it...

>>89182439
ショタコン

>>89182478
>ゆっくり
Wait are you trying to use this to mean easily?
>>89182665
You could have just called him a faggot.

>>89182478
>People to this very day not using Anki + Rikaisama with direct import
Sad world we live in. Sad sad world.

>>89182754
I meant it to mean slow. It wasn't the best word to use I guess.

>>89182767
Is direct import not supported in rikaikun or am I just blind

>>89182767
> Direct import.
Please, tell me more.

>>89182478
What the fuck am I reading?

>>89183421
>>89183347
It's only on rikaisama. Look it up.

>>89180994
I'm reading 10 pages of キノの旅 a day, and some VNs if i'm in the mood for it.

>>89180994
Baldr Sky Dive 1

What does it mean when you take an adjective at put き on it, like 多き?

>>89183923
Literary way for modifying nouns with adjectives.
✔甘い物　＝✔甘き物
✔これは甘い　≠☓これは甘き

>mfw I just came across a sentence with four kanji I've never seen
>it was only two lines long
G-Guess 3500 just doesn't cut it.

>>89184345
>Why is this a loanword stolen from German instead of just being a standard Japanse word?
Because the word came from German?e

>>89184327
Faggot, 7000 is basically elementary school.

>>89184327
Care to specify which kanji you encountered?

>>89184476
ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ゲシュタルト心理学
ゲシュタルト心理学（ゲシュタルトしんりがく、Gestalt Psychologie）とは、心理学の一学派。人間の精神を、部分や要素の集合ではなく、全体性や構造に重点を置いて捉える。この全体性を持ったまとまりのある構造をドイツ語でゲシュタルト(Gestalt ：形態)と呼ぶ。
It has nothing to do with Japanese or any other language.

>>89184523
儁, 怏, 悖, 愈

I tried posting this last thread but I was mostly ignored, so I'll try again.

I'd like to suggest a new link for the pastebin. It's a blog by a Japanese Japanese teacher. It's written in very simple Japanese and it casually talks about a lot of exceptions, particularities and curiosities of the language. I think it's great reading for anybody in any stage of learning Japanese.

http://nihongodaybyday.bl0gsp0t.c0m.br/

>>89182767
Kept getting an error when I pressed the import key.
G-Guess I'll just add them by hand.

>>89181942

I think it's more like "Brown-san is this opposed to doing it, isn't he?". Sounds weird, but I guess you could understand what I meant.

>>89184668
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestaltzerfall
ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ゲシュタルト崩壊

>>89181688

>My level is shit, mostly because of grammar. Going to speed up vocab grinding, too

Why don't you focus on grammar instead then?

>>89184984
http://perspectiveinbetween.blogspot.se/2012/04/random-stuff-gestaltzerfall-phenomenon.html

>>89184984
Yes. Never trust gaijin resources for Japanese things. There's always wrong and usually tend to say a few racists things along with making a few generalizations even in places like wikipedia.

>>89185072
It doesn't.

>>89185089
外人 are all racist fucks.

>>89185193
>backs argument with a wikipedia page with about five words in it despite all this contradictory evidence we've given you
I'm done with this.

>>89185309
Not him, but I've corrected wikipedia articles myself. They aren't really all that amazing aside from the technical stuff.

>>89185419
Liar, you need a Ph.D to edit wikipedia.

Some parts of this language are impossible to forget. Especially the sexist and racist portions.

>>89185664
You should probably wait for the storm to cool down a little bit if you want to bait anybody with that.

>>89180994
Playing Shin Megami Tensei IV with a app called "Midori" to type up vocab I don't know since the game has furigana. The keyboard on the Ipod is really nice. Since there'slots of games with fuligana I'll be picking up lots more 3DS games in the near future, now that I finally saved enough to import it. It's nice I can just stay in my bed all day having fun and increasing my vocab.

>>89184877
I would absolutely agree with you, but 2 things have gotten me stuck.
1. But isn't it wrong to use ～たい form when referring to people other than yourself? Usually you would use ～たがる form when expressing other peoples desires.

2. It doesn't really make sense with the context given. Mrs. Brown really loves doing what she is doing.

Would the sentence make more sense if I added dots in the sentence?
>ブラウンさんはそんなに。。。したくない。。。ですよね。

>>89185664
I'm guessing you mean something like 家内
even if this is bait I'm trying to turn it into a valuable discussion

>>89185789
I'm pretty sure I know what's going on. I didn't bother replying even though I pretty much knew what the deal is because then I would have to explain a lot more. If you give the last few sentences before that statement then I should be able to do it easily.
>>89185807
Impossible.

>>89185789

Why would she say ね at the end if she was talking about herself? That doesn't make sense either. Also, I get a feeling you can use -たい when referring to other people too, but I'm not 100% positive on that.

Could it be that Brown wants to do it so much that the girl is taken aback and is asking "You don't really want to do it that bad, do you?"

This is what the Japanese wiki says, quick translation.

In 1947, Faust (V.C. Faust) reported the existence of the phenomenon. It was reported to occur when a person extensively continues to observe something. The "Gestaltzerfall for written words" a subject of research by cognitive psychologists. For example, if the same kanji is observed for an extensive amount of time, the observer begins to recognize each part of the kanji individually rather than as a whole and becomes unable to remember what the kanji itself was. In recent years, possible relation to semantic saturation has been suggested, however, the exact cause of the phenomenon has yet to be conclusively found with many uncertain areas.

>>89185949
>>89186121
Sorry for the confusion. Its just that there is a picture for this particular scene. Here is how the dialogue goes. It is all the inner thoughts of one person who is watching Mrs. Brown.

>今日は、ブラウンさんのばん。
>おミゴトもだけど、林さんとのエッチも。
>。。。ほんとは、ブラウンさんはそんあに。。。したくない。。。んですよね。
You can ignore the line below if you want. Thought it might help.
>。。。だってさあ、ブラウンさん。。。ってばあんなにさ、

This situation is this. The speaker is watching Mrs. Brown engage in エッチ with Mr. Hayashi from across the room. She watches with jealousy while Mrs. Brown is in ecstasy.

Are you supposed to abandon Anki at some point? I feel like I could be using that time doing something better.

>>89186668
Did you just add those dots in?
> She watches with jealousy while Mrs. Brown is in ecstasy.
Then she's probably just deluding herself.
>But really, Brown-san doesn't really want to do it that badly, right?
At least that's what I'm getting.

>>89186800
Are you really fluent already? If so then drop it if you don't want to use it anymore.

>>89186800
>abandon Anki at some point
When you can read a VN without ever using a dictionary.

>>89186800
I feel the same a bit too. I'd rather just read.

>>89186906
No. That came right from the book. It's a love triangle thing and I guess they are taking turns having sex with the man

weebs

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So...as I was going to say on the previous thread? Is it recommended that I not add anymore kanji or words (or hell, just stick to reading Tae Kim/Genki and the Core2k deck) until further notice?

>>89187721
Do whatever you want.

>>89187721
>44%
Maybe actually pay attention to the kanji?
Instead of just clicking trough the deck and thinking "I wish this shit was over soon".

>>89180994
Due to the bullshit that is algebra, I can only do reps at home and read Genki during my commute. I haven't added anything new to the decks in days.

>>89187997
Linear algebra?

>>89187844
The really hard part is whether or not I should pay attention to the meaning, one of the readings, or the kanji itself. And considering that I want to READ something soon, I don't think that it was over soon. Unless I miss two days in a row, which never happens. Are there tips to remembering them better? Like saying the meaning or reading clearly?

>>89188464
Make up mnemonics. Eventually you'll get into kanji-learning mode, and won't need it. I barely even look at the radicals nowadays.

>>89188464
You should only be testing one thing per card anyway, many premade decks are flawed with information overload.

>>89188254
I don't fucking know. I've been dealing with trinomial factoring and simplifying radicals for two days and I can't afford to fail a second test. Hence the downsizing on what I WANT to do this summer. I should be reading simple manga by now but I can't get through the first chapter in Yotsuba unless I fire up one of those crutch programs.

>>89188603
Some are harder to make up then others. I could just write them down ten more times again but I just don't have the time nowadays.

>>89188648
I only use one premade deck. The first Core2k deck. Which I'm doing a ways better even if some of the sentences have kanji and words I don't know just yet. I'm referring to the kanji deck I made (and am still making) myself. For the most part I'm going in the KanjiDamage order but I sparingly add other kanji from elsewhere.

>>89188762
> trinomial factoring and simplifying radicals
Isn't that highschool stuff

>>89188876
And he thinks he's too busy to learn japanese.

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Can someone help me identify what this katakana is?

It looks like ミ with quotes, but there is no such katakana that exists. Thanks.

>>89188762
That's not linear algebra then. I did it last semester, if you think normal algebra was hard don't bother with maths.

>>89188965
ジ

>>89188878
I don't get it

>>89189032
God dammit. And here I was trying to guess what english word starts with stee.. I feel stupid now. Thanks.

>>89189139
>romanization
>furigana: "They're right next to it doofus"
>kanji for 華麗
Those aren't bad though but the OP post is.

>>89188927
>>89188876
I don't have the hang of it and I can't afford to get anything less then a C. I would LOVE to devote the entire summer to Japanese but again, not exactly my choice. Fancy that, I'd rather learn one of the hardest languages known to man then fucking math.

>>89188991
Crossing my fingers that I won't be haphazardly pressured to go back to college for another year. Or two. Honestly, if only I had a job...

Anyways, so I basically make up my own mnemonics and such to help remember the kanji? Or something else I can figure out? At least my vocabulary is better. A little. Still not enough to read something accurately and don't get me started on grammar.

>>89189589
>the hardest languages known to man then fucking math.
I suppose it can't be helped being that there's not as much porn and literature in math.

>>89189754
>oh, you're so perverted, root
>no, logarithm, don't touch my base!

>>89189754
I'm surprised the Japanese haven't found a way. I set a personal goal to myself. Read half of the first volume of Yotsuba without crutches (KanjiTomo and the like) before 2013. Hope its still doable at this rate.

>>89189754
>not as much porn and literature in math.
>Implying Math isn't porn and literature.
>Implying Math is the not the most beautiful fucking thing on the planet.
数理は正義だ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-reFBJ4R9iA

>>89189978
>I'm reaching my limit! You deriving me of my pleasure!

Today's reading exercise:

こういう月評が欲しい
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000311/files/2833_8429.html
By 宮本百合子

　毎月いくつかのプロレタリア小説、ブルジョア小説が、いろいろな雑誌に発表される。
　つづいて、新聞その他に文芸批評が現れる。この頃のブルジョア・ジャーナリズムは、例えば『朝日新聞』が今度やっていたように、文学についての専門家以外の人に、作品批評を書かせ、顔ぶれの珍しさで、新鮮さを発揮しようとしている。
　河野密氏の例によれば、人選はある程度まで当ったろう。とにかく読者は、オヤ、この人がこんなことをやるのか、と思った。そこで、ジャーナリズムの目的は達せられたので、岩藤雪夫の小説「鍛冶場」が、どんなひどい階級的裏切りを示しているか、ダラ幹小説であるかを、細かく批判しないでも一応適用したらしい形である。
　大体いって、いわゆる専門外の人の作品批評はナカナカ面白いし、参考にもなる。作品批評をする時、はっきりその人の階級性がわかる。それだけでもためになるのである。
　ところで、文学的月評は、書く顔ぶれをかえることだけで、ホントに生気ある文化的価値をふき込まれるだろうか？
　思うに、それは姑息である。
　行きつまったブルジョア文壇の生産力を、新しいプロレタリア文学の作品が圧倒しつつある。従って文芸批評でもプロレタリア文芸批評が、もっと広汎に研究され、活溌に行われなければならないのだと思う。
　真実に強い文化的基準と新しく見なおした目標で批評がされるようになれば月評は別ものになる。

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>>89190060
数学しか見たことがない。

>>89190200
　では、そのプロレタリア文学批評とは、どんなものか？
　第一に、どんな小さいどの陣営の作品をとりあげた場合でも、その批評をよむと、ハハア、小説を読むときはこういうところが急所なんだナと納得のゆくように批評を書いて行くことである。
　高度な理論に関するものでも、もしその人が全体の関係においてそれをよく理解し、腹にいれていれば、わかり易く説明することができるものである。
　まして、作品評の場合、アカデミックな字を並べることは、ほとんど必要ない。
　一つの文学作品についての批評をよく読んでおくと、この次、また別な作品を読む場合にどう読めばいいかが分る。そのくらい親切な批評がわれわれには欲しい。
　ブルジョア批評は読者啓蒙を等閑にして来た。これを読むのは、どうせ文学がある程度までわかる人間だ。そういう態度だった。今日のプロレタリア文学批評は、読者大衆に、小説のよみかたに際して新しい文化的基準を与えるというところまで精力的であるべきである。
　さて、そういう親切な批評を書こうとするとまず、ある一つの作品の背景にある階級をひろく把握し、作品との関係を明かにして読者の眼前に展望させねばならない。
　作品が芸術品として成功していれば、それはどういうところで成功しているか。成功といってもどういう種類とどういう階級の標準によるものか。不成功とすれば局部的のものか、あるいは根本的のものか。なぜ失敗したか。

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>>89190234
　失敗した作品でも見殺しにしてはいけない、いい芽をもっていることもある。そのものとして成功していても、未来の文化のために寄与する価値をもたないものもある。
　それらを、ごく具体的に、一般的に、実際生活と結びつけた見通しをもって話さなければならないのだ。
　書きかたも研究がいる。その文芸批評を読むと、もうそれだけで何か活々した熱と力と、広闊な新社会文化への輝きと期待とを感じるようなものがいるのである。

　プロレタリアの陣営からの批評は、階級的陣営が違うと、もういうことはきまっていると思わせる狭いところがあった。ある時は高飛車なところもある。
　ボルシェビキ的批評というものは、本質においてそうではない。
　どっちの陣営の作品でも、それをひろい客観的条件の前にはっきり浮き上らせて、見なおさせ、比べ、それが評価されるべき評価をうけていることを、静かにつよく感銘させるのが、本物の批評である。
　作品の欠点や、チャチなところだけをつまみだして、パンパンパンと平手うちにやっつける批評ぶりは、本当のプロレタリア的批評ではない。溜飲はさがるかもしれないが弁証法的でないし、建設的でない。
　大森義太郎氏の文学作品批評はきびきびしていても、そういう点でボルシェビキ的忍耐ある建設力を欠いているのだ。橋本英吉が『ナップ』へ三ヵ月ばかり批評を書き、個々の点では異論あるとしても、態度で、われわれに多くのものを教えた。
〔一九三一年七月〕

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Here is some more trouble translating. Mrs. Kawamura is speaking these lines.
>ブラウンさん。。。ってばあんなにさ、
>林さんといっしょに。。。きもちよさそうで。。。さ
>そうでいつも。。。さいごには
Which I translated to
>If I do something such as Mrs. Brown
>together with Mr. Hayashi... it will probably feel good
No idea about the next line

Any idea what the last line translates to?

>>89181186
I KNOW THAT KANJI
"THE OFFICERS AT THE SHINSENGUMI ALWAYS WANT TO USE GINTOKI FOR THEIR BENEFIT"
USE!!

HEISIG YOU MOTHERFUCKER, YOU DID IT AGAIN!!

>>89191805
No no, anon, I'm talking about what he wronte. See, anonymous wrote something next to the picture. See? Ok.

>>89191881
You're annoying.

>>89191935
You're stupid and blind.

>>89192069
>all caps
>multiple exclamation marks
>blogging
>No no, anon,
>See,
>anonymous wrote
>See?
>Ok.
I don't need to hear that from a faglrd like yourself.

>>89191646
Like that, always... lastly

No idea how to make a translated sentence that would make sense out of that.

>>89192194
>I'm mad because I said something stupid and I got told
Also nice downvote.

>>89191646
>ブラウンさん。。。ってばあんなにさ
>If I do something such as Mrs. Brown
It's more like, "Brown-san (that fuck)...[contemptuously] (acting) like that"
>>林さんといっしょに。。。きもちよさそうで。。。さ
Together with Hayashi-san... Acting like it feels good....
>そうでいつも。。。さいごには
And lastly... like always.
That might be それで by the way. Maybe not.

>>89192549
Can you please just leave. It's not like that. I dislike you. I don't want you here. Go back to reddit. I'm not responsing anymore. You're trolling is shitty and unfunny.
>lel i lured thk unto mau trap

>>89192323
Me neither sadly. Did the rest look right to you? I'm guessing the ば in the first line is the ば-conditional because the second line wouldn't make sense if the subject was Mrs. Brown and not herself (Mrs. Kawamura).

Could
>それでいつも
translate to
>Its always the case

>>89192609
>It's more like, "Brown-san (that fuck)...[contemptuously] (acting) like that
Curious to how you got that.
But that makes more sense. She is acting kind of pissed off at Mrs. Brown for having sex with her boyfriend. Looks like I'll have to change the previous dialogue a bit. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>89192876
>ブラウンさん
Brown-san
>ってば
That fuck (not really but it's basically the same meaning but nowhere near as strong)
>あんなに
Like that

>>89192822
>I said somethign stupid and got told, so I'll "ur trolling" as an argument
Really, is this the first or second thread you on? It's blatantly obvious by how retarded you are, so don't come saying "lel get back to rebbit" when you are the newfaggot around.

>>89191648
I thought Heisig doesn't work.

>>89193265
Whoever told you that lied

>>89193055
I refuse to believe that anybody who calls sage a downvote is not trolling. If being retarded and choosing to post anyway, even though you KNOW that you're retarded, is not considered trolling, it really should be.

I've found it, guys.

The flawless way to reach Japanese fluency.

First, you need to

>>89193055
>when you are the newfaggot around.
>doesn't know 使
You're clearly trolling.

>>89193265
It does.
It's just pretty slow to learn 2000 kanji without their readings.

>>89193456
It means "YOU are using it as a downvote", stupid fag.
God, your new is showing, just shut up already.

>>89193532
Or at least only learned it recently.*

>>89193009
I see. I wrongly treated って and ば as two separate meanings.

>>89193603
Why do people like to troll when they're not funny? I don't get it.

>>89193265
It can but it's highly flawed and adds more points for failure.

>>89193760
Please stop shitting up the thread, you're either a troll or a retard.

>>89193760
>>89193845
Both of you guys are retarded

>>89193845
Nice argument. Let's see if I can reach your level of brain activity.

"Make me nerd, ur a troll and a shit eater who ruins the thread not me!!1"

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>>89193909
>>89193760
Report and move on. He can't do anything but spam if you don't reply, and spam will get him banned quicker.

>>89193909
I'm not even the person you were arguing with, I just think you should stop shitposting

致

whata useless kanji.

>>89189589
Math is way cooler than japanese you faggot.

>>89189589
stop bloggin!

>>89194097
Yeah, thank god there aren't any meidos or ojous trying to speak super politely in my japanese animes


Oh wait...

>>89194298
The idea of math is, the way that math is taught in school, at least in the USA, is fucking horrible. Math is socially acceptable to hate. Everyone hates math and you're considered weird if you don't. Then again, just another reason to hate normalfags.

>>89193991
荒らしには理性がない。
>>89194097
ぇｌ
>>89194352
やめなさいよ

>>89194526
>>>/v/

KORE SURE WA GUMI DA!!!

>>89194526
Posting broken Japanese is better than shitposting in English.

>>89194526
>stahp
Get out.

>>89194571
Make me.

TOO BAD YOU CAN'T.

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>>89194571
Just report. Don't continue to give him attention.

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So, what have you been reading recently?

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>this thread

>>89194592
It's not even broken.

>>89194790
My will.

>>89194821
Yeah, but my point was simply that broken Japanese is better than having shitposts in English, I didn't mean to imply anything about the post it was related to.

>>89194790
I read totono and now I'm going to go back to watching anime.

Love lab when.

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Why was he banned?

>>89194865
死なないでください

>>89195566
He was the hero /a/ deserved, but not the one they needed right then

乙

>>89195687
FISH HOOK

>>89194395
If you like anime any ojou-sama character then you have shit taste.

>>89195760
Stop it with the caps please.

>>89195760
これは餌だ
アメリカンジョーク

>>89195860
>Someone just banned in this thread
>Start trolling anyway
Genius.

>>89195760
汝が楽しい ボーイフレンドだね〜長い愛 だろう！

This is probably a stupid question, but why is 本 added to 日 when 日 already means and imply, Japan.

>>89195795
>If you like anime, then you have shit taste
g-gomennasai

>>89195973
I find it laughable that you come and try to tell me "pls don't do that, it hurts mah autism" I will now enjoy you being stupid.

>>89195983
Major countries have kanji associated with their name. Those kanji come from how the country's name is written in kanji.
日本
亜米利加
魯西亜
中国
Etc.

>>89195983
Because you would think it was sun or day otherwise.

>>89195983
You are mixing up the "kanji meaning" which really doesn't mean anything, with the "word meaning"

日, by itself, is pronounced ひ and means either "sun" or "day"

>>89195983
think of it as 日 is an abbreviation of 日本

>>89196171
Yeah but Japan is also the land of the sun, which is weird because they speak moon on the sun apparently. しょうがないわね

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translate it weebs

日の丸

>>89196334
>Play with me, play with me, play with me. Guu, Guu!

>>89196321
>they speak moon on the sun apparently
うわーっ！
兄ちゃんおもしれえ

>>89196321
It would have been too simple to adopt the local sun languages so they just reflected light off the moon and transcribed that into their brains over several hundred millennia.

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われわれわにほんだから！！！！

>>89196612
Your joke would've worked better if it actually was ふ

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>>89196717
>われわれわ

>>89196774
I realized that, I have no idea why I thought そ was ふ, it wasn't very funny regardless so I deleted it out of shame.

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Posting some sounds because it's illegal

>>89196844
It would have been better if that other anon didn't spoil your opportunity. I still liked it anon.

>>89196334
>>89196458
>>89196503
What form of conjugation is あそべ? I know あそべる would be the potential form. Is it just a dialect or speech slur thing?

>>89196943
命令形

>>89196943
Command form.

For u-verbs, replace the う with え.
For ru-verbs, replace the る with ろ.

>>89196943
imperative form. Usually you just change the last letter to a e. so bu->be

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When and why would し be used instead of よん and しち used instead of なな？

>>89197106
どうしてスプレド顔ある？

oh my god

why are there so many anki decks for japanese

and why are all the most populars so fucking terrible

jesus christ all you need

>kanjidamage order
>show the kanji
>answer the kun
>answer the meaning

>>89196870
Could I get a link to the updated sound player? Mine all broke.

>>89197404
You can fool me just once, moot. I won't fall for it again, you fucking jew.

>>89197393
Japanese is probably the most popular language to learn, especially on the Internet. I'd guess French is probably second but the number of resources for Japanese is immense compared to pretty much any language, except maybe English.

>>89197049
>>89197060
>>89197073
Ah, thanks. If I'm understanding this form correctly, should I think of it as a less informal or rather, more rude, version of the て-form or ～なさい affix?

食べて
食べなさい
食べれ

>>89197554
But why are the most popular resources doing it wrong?

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>>89197524
Oh fuck, do the mods really try and get a hold of the new players from people and break them again?


God damn it, I just wanna have fun in sound threads again.

Well if they're doing that you don't have to tell me Anon.

>>89197598
It's 食べろ. Basically yea.

>>89197598
>食べれ
食べろ. It's a ru-verb.

Everything you'd want to know about command form, including irregular verb conjugation, can be found here:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/requests

>>89197606
I mean, who gives you the fucking reading and asks you for the kanji. That's completely backwards. You read a kanji and have to know what it means, that's why you start out with READING. flashcards should always show you the kanji. unless for some fucked up reason you want to go immediately into conversation

>>89197606
The vast majority of people who attempt to learn Japanese won't ever come anywhere close, they don't know the difference or care.

Methods that let people make noises that can be understood in the language, essentially learning phrases, are extremely popular because you can "communicate" with almost no effort. It gives you the illusion that you're speaking the language, even if you don't understand a single word or piece of grammar in the phrases you use.

TL;DR: people are retarded

>>89197792
>It gives you the illusion that you're speaking the language

Oh they're learning wrong then. we don't want to speak Japanese at all, we want to be able to read it, understand it, and type it. in that order.

>>89197853
Speak for yourself, fag.

>>89197697
Ah whoops, meant to type ろ.

>>89197734
Thanks for the link. Command form was apparently the only form I never touched upon. Besides everything keigo, of course.

>>89198015
If you actually want to learn Japanese at all correctly you start with Kanji. Period. Starting with readings is idiotic, you'll run headfirst into the massive problem with the language : Homonyms

holy shit

if i just learn kanji and their meaning, and nothing else, i can read faster than any other method

>>89198213
There was a guy who regretted doing that in a past thread, you'll miss a lot of Japanese humor if you do that. As well as have a much less clear understanding of the language.

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>>89198213

Don't guys, just don't.

Once you get past the alphabet you really should be learning a little bit of everything at once. You can't learn a language by only focusing on one part of it.

>>89198339
How is that bait, retard? isn't that what the Heisig method is?

>>89198339
Explain to me why you characterize that as bait. I don't see anything outright false. Only learning the meanings is indeed the fastest way to read, 2-3 as fast as learning the readings and the meaning

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>>89198356
>the alphabet

>>89198356
I believe the guide says to do grammar+vocab/kanji concurrently. What you're saying is what's already generally accepted.

>>89198394
>>89198387
I know one of you is probably serious so I guess I'll bother saying this. You can read anything just by knowing a vague (and often wrong) meaning of the kanji.

>>89198442
What's the difference betwen vocab and kanji?

Also the guide is just taking a fucking cop-out position, as everyone does in these threads

there exists an objectively superior method to learning japanese

>>89198506
>You can read anything just by knowing a vague (and often wrong) meaning of the kanji.

That's tautological. You have to know the correct meaning of a kanji, or else you are reading it wrong, which means you're not reading it at all.

>>89198507
>What's the difference betwen vocab and kanji?
Vocab are words, kanji make up words. Sometimes a word is a single kanji, most of the time it's not.

>Also the guide is just taking a fucking cop-out position, as everyone does in these threads
There were horrible shit storms, it was the worst experience of my life, it's best to just not think about it.

>there exists an objectively superior method to learning japanese
Potentially, but I doubt it exists in a usable form currently. As of now, the differences between people's styles of learning is enough to justify using different methodologies.

>>89198394
Because you don't know the conjugation or the compounds.

Example : 上手 : じょうず : Skillful/Proficient/etc
Obviously this doesn't mean up hand.

Example 2: 死ぬ : 死なないで : 死んでいる
If you only learned the meaning you know that this has something to do with death. But you know understand the differences between them.

>>89198506
Can't*
>>89198551
>That's tautological
>tautological
>needless repetition of an idea, especially in words other than those of the immediate context, without imparting additional force or clearness, as in “widow woman.”
I fail to see the connection.

>>89198625
あの人は真面目じゃないかもしれない

>>89198551
I think he meant to say that you CAN'T read anything. That would make more sense.

>>89198638
Correction: But you don't understand the difference between them.

>>89198638
Up Hand is obviously Skilled. Try again.

>>89198732
didn't mean to post that
>真面目
本気

>>89198674
>>89198506
>You can't read anything by knowing what all the words mean

Explain.

>>89198506
>I know one of you is probably serious so I guess I'll bother saying this. You can read anything just by knowing a vague (and often wrong) meaning of the kanji
Knowing the meaning and the reading doesn't help anymore for this then just knowing the meaning.

>>89198638
>Because you don't know the conjugation or the compounds.
So knowing the kun tells you that?

>>89198974
Not that person, but if you deliberately avoid the pronunciations, you'll miss a lot of the language. You gain a lot of understanding, you can see how words relate together, idiomatic usage in certain instances.

You'll lose a lot more than you'll gain by cutting that corner.

>>89198974
>>89199099
>you'll miss a lot of the language
He'll miss the entire language because he won't have learned any of it. It's impossible.

>>89199099
We're just talking about the kun, not the onyomi

the general conseus in JDT is learn the kanji and the kunyomi first when starting out

>>89199071
Learning conjugation tells you the meaning of the conjugation. Does that really need to be said?

So how much shit do you have to learn for every kanji?

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７月は【全国ローマ字禁止月】を知らないか。あなたの日本語の教師がローマ字を使うなら、早速に停止を要求しろう。

>>89199230
You don't have to do anything.

>>89199182
... So the Onyomi then?

yes it sort of does need to be said, there is literally no parallel to most of the concepts in this language.

>>89199275
Cop Out Answer. The kind of shit that would get you slapped in real life

>>89198506
流石
寿司
亜米利加
親不知
etc

>>89199307
not copout, annoying pedantic ass, answer.

>>89199244
>全国ローマ字禁止月
嗚呼、素晴らしい。一緒に祭りに行きませんか？観光客に卵を投げ付けたいです。ドキドキします（ ﾟ∀ﾟ ）

>>89199230

Even though kanji often have 9999 readings when you look them up, this is misleading. 90% of words will use the two or three most common readings.

>>89199230
>>89199363
The question is too vague. Does he mean until I can never study the kanji again? Or is he talking about kanji flash cards?

There's also personal preference involved, many people here don't learn stroke order but the Japanese do, at least for Jouyou. It really depends on what you want.

>>89199499
It's not the readings, it's the fact every kanji seems to have about literally one dozen characteristics associated with it and nobody can agree what is needed and what isn't and if you ask you get troll answers like "lol nothing"

>>89199533
That's honestly not a troll answer. This isn't a thread to teach you Japanese, this is a thread about self-study.

The best answer I can give you is to keep learning until you understand it, it's nuances, it's usage, etc.

>>89199533
People don't give you straight answers because they're aren't straight answers.

>>89199516
The answer implicitly means "How much information (mathematically / objectively defined) is associated with every kanji"

i.e.

>meaning
>stroke order
>kunyomi
>omyoni
>radical construction
>jukugo (derived)
>additional readings

i.e. there are at least 6 things per kanji you have to know to truely "know" a kanji.

Note : doing anything less than this is absolutely unacceptable and will get you trolled, shitposted, and humiliated out of JDT, /a/, 4chan, the internet, and life as you kill yourself for being such a shitty, inferior, piece of shit untermesnch, because that's how the internet works. If you're not literally god, you should literally kill yourself.

>>89199639
>How much information (mathematically / objectively defined) is associated with every kanji"

You can learn a hell of a lot by studying ancient Chinese and the etymology of these characters and their introduction into Japanese and even get an incredibly deep understand of it, but that's essentially unrealistic.

>>89199533

Right, but IMO, studying those characteristics "top down" is a tremendous waste of time. Add words using each kanji as you come across them, and you'll notice patterns. Learning this way is much easier than trying to force all of that info into your brain.

>>89199726
Someone's mad..

>>89199726
私は神様です

>>89199777
This is one of the biggest benefits of Kanjidamage that I see ignored by so many people. It has a list of words it's used in and jukugo. The keyword at the top of the page is stupid, by understanding how the character is used you can actually understand it, it's often difficult if not impossible to accurately and concisely portray these ideas in another language, such is why the keywords are misleading.

>>89199789
Not really. 4chan and similar anonympus true insight into human nature places has correctly taught me this is how things literally are.

>>89199914
I literally don't literally know what you are literally talking about dude. Like, literally.

>>89199963
How long have you been on 4chan? Seriously?

I could write pages on this but the entire culture here and on the internet at large is metaphorically a 1000 HP engine of autism. It's a fucking woodchipper that will eat you alive and spit you out if you DARE do even one thing slightly inferior in any method, objective or subjective. you will be fucking CRUCIFIED if you tried to say

>defend commie or non-10bit on /a/
>defend consoles on /v/
>defend leftists on /pol/
>defend being not-white on /pol/
>defend any japanese cars on /o/
>defend any team that isn't #1 on /sp/
>defend being shorter than 6'6 / having a shorter than 10" dick on /fit/

and so on

or just generally dont toe the hivemind mentality

but here's the thing

4chan is how everyone thinks

4chan is the Id

Non-anomimity is what keeps that Id in check

Basically you should correctly feel like a piece of shit for not being PERFECT AT EVERYTHING

And it's true

Because you should

Because unless something is absolutely perfect, it's never be acceptable. That goes tenfold for anything involving people, especially yourself.

How can you fucking live with yourself if you're not perfect

>>89200297
So if you can't learn 2000 kanji in 3 months and learn every single facet about them. Kill yourself you fucking untermensch.

Sincerely

The Internet (The Collective Human Subconscious)

>>89200388
I learned 2000 kanji in 3 days.

>>89200297
>4chan is the Id
I don't think you know what you're talking about dude. If anything 4chan is the self. The id is what wants pleasure, the self is who you really are behind those masks called persona.

Also, there is a difference between trolling you and jokingly pointing out a mistake.

Your posting style is shit, prepare
to be
crucified
literally

>>89200566
>2000 kanji
>3 days

Are you retarded?

>>89200297
>all dat autism
Jesus Christ. Calm your shit.
No one cares.

>>89200297
磔は別に悪いことじゃないよ

>>89200728
>Are you retarded?
Yes, but they said I was functionally retarded.

>>89200757
>No one cares
Don't say that anon. I thought it was funny.

>>89200632
I come from a community which has surpassed even /jp/'s shitposting power, on /a/ I am beyond reproach, its not even a challenge