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And they feel good about it because they "support the anime industry".

>>90331545 (OP)
I'm one of those people

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>>90331903
>paying people who download the fansubs and put them on a site
>supporting the anime industry

I don't even know how they got that idea. Do they not know what CR was when it started?

>>90331545 (OP)
I just did the free membership thing a few years ago (don't remember why), and every few months I get 30 day free things.

>>90331915
Well you should stop it, dummy

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>there are actually people who think paying for crunchyroll isn't supporting the anime industry

>>90332043
I don't like torrents

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>>90332049

>>90331981
Yeah, because what CR was is exactly the same as what CR is now, isn't it?

Get a brain.

>>90331545 (OP)
>there are CR devs that make CR threads on /a/

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>There are people who blame CrunchyRoll users for not supportng the industry enough while not buying anything themselves

I get fast, good quality subs. I don't care what they do as long as I continue getting more.

>>90332187
I would if the shipping wouldn't cost twice as much as the actual product.

>>90332110
Use IRC

>>90332163
>started out as "thieves"
>still pretty much are but are now tagged as "legal"

I will thanks for the advice

I don't really get the hate for Crunchyroll. Sure, it's not the kind of thing I would pay for, but it's not really THAT cancerous.

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>There are Westerners who think they can support the industry in a substantial way

>>90332215
While they're usually not as fast, other releases are often better. Even with Horriblesubs, the video quality is better because you're not streaming.

>>90332314
I sent my story idea to Kubo Tite for his next manga.

>>90332307
I'm pretty sure it's mostly because it's streaming.

>>90332110
You can't be this ignorant.

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>>90332307
http://www.crunchyroll.co.uk/anime-news/2012/12/30/fan-made-girls-und-panzer-pillow-demonstrates-creepy-new-advancement-in-dakimakura

Just read the comments.

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Yep, and I'm happy to do it. I don't have a problem with it because I'm not poor.

>>90332295
>still pretty much are
Perhaps you could, you know, elaborate on that.

>>90332382
Unlike your typical illegal streaming sites, CR's 1080p is sometimes decent. (But also sometimes terrible, so that doesn't really say much.)

>people think the only way they can support the anime industry in the west by throwing money at some random distributors

>japanese people just watch everything on tv without paying extra

The only way to actually support the industry is to watch the raws on TV. If you pay for subs/dubs most of the money, if not all, will most likely go to the fansubs or US distributor.
I'm pretty sure 4kids for example doesn't give most of the cash to the creators of the animu.

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>>90332377

>>90332479
>going on anime forums

>>90332488
Would you pay to breathe if there was a service that provided air, just because youre rich?

>>90332498
still trying to rip people off to make money off anime that would have been shared freely otherwise

I hope you people realise that probably less than a dollar of your fee goes to a studio each month. I hope they enjoy their shitty WcDonalds coffee from you once a month.

>>90332549
You're in the equivalent of one now.
Though I take it you missed the threads.

>>90332593
Now you people are bitching about illegal products becoming legitimate.

>>90332488
> I'm not poor
So buy Japanese BDs.

>>90332479
Can use a site without messing with the community. I use myanimelist for the list feature, but the community there can go to shit.

>>90332638
No, we're bitching about them charging for that shit.

>>90332715
That is usually what legitimate, money-making businesses do.

>>90331903
I just feel good about getting to see translated stuff a bit faster. And the convinience of being able to see it on my phone.

>>90332295
They pay for the licenses. Do you think the rightolders would sell them without thinking they would make profit with it?

>>90332715
Especially when they first started. Those were worse than hadena.

Thanks to them we get HorribleSubs, so stop whining.

>>90332479
>Not something I would buy. But I won't condemn anyone for enjoying this product. Different strokes for different folks.

This guy seems reasonable enough.

But anyway, it's not a site you go to to discuss weeaboo things, you go there to watch them and that's it. Personally I use it as a last resort. Basically to me it's "I can't find subs anywhere else so fuck it I'll put up with ads just this once.com" I can count on one hand how many times that has happened, but it's nice to know it's there in a pinch.

>>90332778
>They pay for the licenses
Silly amount compared to what they get from BDs.

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So how does the industry make money anyway? What determines what shows get a new season?

Is it mostly views and ratings or Japanese BD sales?

>>90332815
What show do they have that you can't find subbed somewhere else?

I have a question. If Crunchyroll let you download, would you use the site?

>>90332860
I believe it's sales.

>>90332860
Merchandise is a huge part of it.

>>90332860
Anime is used to push LN, merch (figures etc.), and manga sales, those that sell the most and make the most come back for another season. Anime originals are reaction based.

>>90332865
Oh but they do anon. For an additional five dollars.

>>90332852
That "silly amount" is still infinitely more than what they're getting from you torrenting the series.

>>90332865
No, because I can get it better for free.

>>90332860
Ratings, popularity, merchandise in JP, merchandise and BD sales anywhere else. And Manga, I guess.

>>90332865
No, if I wanted to pay for shit I'd go buy the BD.

>>90332852
Again, do you think they would sell them to CR if they don't think they would make additional profit compared to BD sales?
That's like saying "No, I don't buy this game in this store, because it's so cheap, I'll go to a different store and buy it for a higher price. Everyone who does something else is just stealing."

>>90332958
What if that anon buys the BDs?

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>>Thinking you are supporting the anime industry by getting a streaming site membership
>>Not just sending your favorite anime studio a check in the mail for what you would have spent on that membership along with a cute card telling them how much you love them in broken Japanese

>>90333014
Then it's a completely different thing.

>>90333009
Read >>90332941
It's used to push merch, even Americans eat that shit up. CR even has a store full of it now.
>>90333020
moe~

>omg why is anime industry dying!?!
>omfg why are u paying 4 anime!?!

>>90333009
>thinks sharing is stealing

I paid for 2 years of CR memberships back in 2011 and 2012.

It was good stuff, until their simulcasts started lagging by days. Then there was no point when fansubbers got theirs out long before CR cast.

>>90332860
Variety of different things. For example, just look at Symphogear. The BD average for the first season was completely average, but the the character songs sold like crazy just like with this season. Increase of sales for the source material is also very important.

>>90332958
>>90332852
There was a thread about this last night where this got brought up
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115579-Court-Documents-Reveal-Anime-Licensing-Costs
which is apparently for Funi dubs.
I imagine CR being pretty fucking insignificant, whatever they do.

>>90332862
Not very many, but once in a blue moon it happens. I don't remember which ones specifically, but there were one or two.

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>>90333088

>>90332479
W-will there be husbando versions of these one day?

I do, and I'm happy with it. For the price of a takeout meal I get most of my shows in one place quicker than most sub groups and with better sub quality, while the difference in video quality is negligible.

While yes, very little of the fees actually go to the producers, it's more than nothing and I'm at least tangibly showing my support for bringing shows to the West in an accessible way.

>>90332865
I don't care if they delivered subbed BDs to my door and asked a penny in return, it's still streamer enabling

>>90333020
Nigga that's fucking kawaii.

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I feel bad being a jew and watching the shows for free.

>>90333434
>not making the industry die in the west to prevent normalfag watchers
Pleb.

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>>90333009
That's a really ignorant argument. There are thousandths of other factors to take into account with that.

Your analogy is also completely wrong, by buying Crunchyroll only a few cents end in the actual anime industry while everything else goes to the website itself, it's a service most people on /a/ don't need so it's pintless.

On the other hand, by buying BD, merchandise and importing manga you are supporting the industry way more directly since basically all the money goes to them. You are eating up a couple of intermediaries that do nothing. Plus you get something that you cannot get for free. Well, you can download the BD rips and the manga but it's always nice to have the box or the tankobon physically.

In short, buying CR is pointless unless you like the service. And you are a pleb if you enjoy that service since it's way worse than the free alternative, just slightly more convenient.

>pay for crunchyroll
>download HS rips
And not a single fuck was given.

>cant pay for crunchyroll because of 3rd world country
Fuck you USA.

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Would any of you be willing to 'donate' directly to the studios/ producer/ publisher companys if they had an easy, localised language webite that accepted CC/ paypal ect?

They wouldnt host, but have synopsis and details about releases and up and coming episodes / shows, likns to 3rd party merch sellers.

Genuinely interested how many people would 'gift' monie for shows they 'enjoyed'

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>>90333893
I would do that

>>90333893
Sure.

>>90333893
I'd gift it if at least 90% of my money would go to the actual creators.

>>90333893
I would.

>>90333434
>quicker than most sub groups and with better sub quality
HorribleSubs says hi. Also CR doesn't have most of the shows and streaming is always a worse option, even if it's 720p, because of non-customization and lack of archival among other things.

I think it's okay if you pay for the membership though, but it's stupid to argue that the quality can be superior to downloading.

>>90333893
LWA Kikestarter yes, giving money to Pony Canyon for seasonal shit like Hataraku I half enjoyed - fuck no

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>>90334002
>>90334040
>>90334052
>>90334117

So whats the legality of accepting donations as a company?
Is that taxable?
like that kickstarter for that shitty harry potter girls edition, (hopefully more JP companys will do this kind of thing)
as long as you declare it, or employ the yakuza to do the books, im sure its okay to accept donations.

JP lawfags anyone?

>>90334318
According to the guy who runs Anki you aren't allowed to just ask for donations in Japan.
http://ankisrs.net/support/

>>90334450

>Can I have your money, please?
>No.
Why would you disallow that, ever?

>>90334450
Would this mean they could however put something like "X plushie, you decide the price!" as donations?

>>90334556
Probably, something like that.

How does a dubbing industry decide what to buy the rights to? And what determines the amount of quality they'll put into doing it?

>>90334625
>And what determines the amount of quality they'll put into doing it?
Miyazaki movies get real actors, everything else the usual trash

>>90334625
Popularity and money.

>>90334281
Uhh.. HR rips subs off Crunchyroll.
They just use better raw.

>>90334625
Funimation buys everything pretty much

>>90334556
Possibly not material goods, if I donate 5€ to them and pay 15€ delivery fees, I feel more like I'm donating to the delivery company than them.

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>There are people here who don't like the best girl.

>>90334753
That's not Nagisa.

>>90334739
Oh right, I figured. Shit like printable posters and stuff would make more sense.

>>90334725
Yeah, that's what he said

>kissanime.com

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>>90334753
Pfft.

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>>90332498
> Perhaps you could, you know, elaborate on that.
Here you go. He never said anything about "supporting the industry", he said that they are thieves, and they are thieves indeed.

>buy one series on BD
>equivalent of subscribing to CR for several years
>the money actually goes to the industry
I don't get why anyone would subscribe to CR.

I think the only reason there would be to pay for that is if you want to watch anime on your TV like netflix with your ps3. If you already use netflix then it is more convenient to do that I would think.

>>90332163
CR was not only a site for fan subbed anime, it was also a site for Korean and Japanese drama of all types. After CR turned legit, we got the anime and Korean drama, but Japanese drama just dissapeared. Even though CR promised that the Japanese drama programming will be back, it fell by the wayside.

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>>90333893
This is no different than crowdfunding. Only difference is that you're paying money after you watched the program via a grey market source.

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How much would they make if I bought a funimation Blu-ray for example?

I'm wondering because I don't think Japanese versions are subbed (maybe they are?)

>>90335244
>I don't think Japanese versions are subbed
They move slowly to sub them themselves. Garden of Words and the Madoka movies have subs included.

The western "anime industry" can suck my dick. Absolutely everything is subbed months or years before a western company does it. And they only do a small amount of anime. I wouldn't care if no anime was ever released in the west again.

>>90335360
Jojo and Yamato 2199 too.

>>90335360
Of course they would, because they get nothing from companies like Funimation.

>>90335360
the new Steins;Gate movie will also have subvs

>>90335379
>I wouldn't care if no anime was ever released in the west again.
That would be nice, maybe there'd be less painful Youtube comments and the like with less people watching the localizations.

>>90335360
>>90335478
So I'm guessing not all of them are subbed then?

>>90335478
Who cares about that crap?

>>90335360
Do you guys remember the subs on the JP Nanoha 2nd movie?

>>90335577
Only recently.

>>90335379
Yeah, how about tons of old stuff that doesn't have english subs? And it seems will never have?
Because of that anime industry it has release with subs. In French. And sometimes Italian

>>90335651
Hmm really?

I wonder if buyfags really do that much for the industry that they'd sub it.

>>90335765
Most buyfags here buy figures and other merch, not that many BD buyers in comparison.