>expecting logic in anime

>>86815974 (OP)
Kawaii uguu sea monster >>>>> Filthy gaijin pirates

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>>86816051
Dont reply to this shit.

This is what happens when you start to listen to a primitive and backwards culture. He wasn't infected with their idiocy when he first arrived and was able to do the right things.

It's too late for Ledo at this point though, only Chamber can save him...but will he be able to?

That human squid Chamber Senmetsu'd was cute as fuck. I wouldn't have forgiven him for anything.

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It was more the fact that everything he has been told has been a lie and the very fabric that he holds all of his ideals was shredded in front of him after being abandoned from his home.

>>86816077

...but you just did.

>>86816077
why not, is true that anime characters rarely act logically or like real people

That squid resembled Amy. I'm sure it's the only reason he freaked out.

>>86816171
Real people aren't very logical themselves.

Breaking news, peoples can change !

Chamber for president.

Yes we can crush squids. Salt and pepper calamari. Does this consider to be cannibalism then?

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>>86816171
1. I saged, sure is summer in here.
2. Discussing obvious shitposting is fucking retarded. There's no way you can honestly compare the realization that you have been killing potentially innocent civilians your entire life with some pirates who where going to rape your friends.

Oh well, guess we'll do it anyway. How about we have the space lasers argument 10 more times too?

He just wanted to learn more about them.

>>86816283
The other whalesquids are fine. But that cute human one was crossing the line.

He's changed a lot between episode 2 and now, he's experienced a lot of new things with the Gargantia fleet. The only thing that held him high is his ideals of killing all Hideauze, and right now he's figured out he's been fed bullshit by his own civilization.

I don't think he's baww'ing over it, but he's certainly confused as to what he should do next.

The pirates were doing bad things, the squids he found at the nest were innocent.

>>86816338
>potentially innocent civilians
Hahaha.

>>86816365
That's how tender they are.

>>86816338
>potentially innocent civilians
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breaths*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHA

>>86815974 (OP)
Can't blame Urobutcher's logic, he wrote him that way

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>>86816338

>1. I saged, sure is summer in here.

But you still replied. Thus directly contradicting your post.

>sure is summer in here

Ah, you're that kind of retard. Explains everything.

>>86816432
>>86816415
I mean, they could be senmetsu zealots too. It hasn't been confirmed what squid society is like.

>>86816474
>not denying he's a summerfag

oh lawdy

>>86816474
I replied to the person who replied, asking him not to reply again. Because this thread is stupid.

And yes, if hating the blatant increase in shitposting that comes with the summer vacations/ heat waves makes me retarded, hey I don't wanna be, uh, not retarded.

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>>86815974 (OP)
>agressive
senmetsu
>not agressive
question before senmetsu

Also he wa quite shocked and after having fun with hippie he has became soft and dull.

>>86816480
Well, it's been shown it's a bunch of mindless giant squids and a few human-squid hybrids.
Even if the mindless squids have some human DNA in them (probably less than a monkey), they are hardly human.

so how long till chamber runs out of power?

>>86816615

He recharges.

It's like you don't even watch the fucking show.

This episode was so bad, horrible storytelling.
It looks like Japan caught up and started realizing this shit was bad, but /a/ is easily caught by that kind of thing as usual

>>86815974 (OP)
>>86816415
>>86816432
samefag

>>86816593
>less human DNA than a monkey.
>Chimpanzees share 99% human genome.

Granted they are apes, but that seems a sweeping assumption.

>>86816615
I think they can power him back up. Chambers did mention after spotting the queen that they should retreat and recharge

>>86816615
>used 44% of power
one more time like this. Or two considering that some power was spent to preserve Ledo in stasis and some for pirates and gravity field fishing.

>>86816660
Calm down, it was good. Detail what you thought was horrible. I liked the pacing, and it was nice to get some exposition on what was going on with earth in the last 6000 years.

>>86816663
People dont give a fuck when they kill Chimpanzee, why do you think they care if they kill an alien squad?

>>86816588
Chamber is obviously programmed to obliterate everything that contradicts the Union's logic. It's obvious that they know the truth themselves and are keeping it to themselves to prevent hippie movements to halt their war.

I don't really understand where the show can go from here though. No where happy, I'd assume.

>>86816764
I assume chamber burns everything to the ground.

>>86815974 (OP)
>killing ENEMIES and using it as a bargaining chip
Brainwashed FULL SENMETSU ALL THE TIME Ledo

>killing human hybrids about which Alliance lied to Ledo his whole life and pretended they were 'lower life forms you can't reason with'
Hesitating YAMEROOOOOO Ledo questioning what else was fake

It's not hard to understand.

>>86816736
As they should. The enemy isn't going to stop trying to annihilate them, why should they.

>>86816736
>it resisted revealing the info
>it played a ball when YAAAAAAAMERO

It sure isn't 100% loyal. Well it is loyal but to alliance, not to Ledo.

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She had a name!
And it's very dangerous that mecha-Sugita ignored a direct order from Ledo when he should obey at all times. A berserk Sugita identifying humans=hideauze for whatever reason could completely wipe out mankind from Earth's surface on his own.

>>86816593
They have human faces on their mouths for a reason. They're probably the ones who couldn't leave earth.

Morality evolves.

>>86816842
Isn't she the daughter of the man at the beginning of the recording? His surname was also Matsumoto

1. There were no pirate children in that attack.
2. Squidgirl didn't try to kill him.
3. In the end he can't bring this knowledge back to the Alliance so he should just bottle up the truth and enjoy his life on the SS beach episode.

>>86816842
He's already 50% out of juice.

>>86816559
you did it again

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Dear Butcher,

I apologize for doubting you. It was foolish and naive on my part and I shall never doubt your ability to deliver again.

My body and soul are ready for the next phase in this healing process.

Yours kindly,
Anonymous

>>86816806
They didn't lie about anything, stop being retarded

>>86816871
Yes, I'm sure she consented.

>>86816871
Yes.
Probably wasn't entirely consensual.
And now she can't comunicate.

>>86815974 (OP)
Because it's perfectly normal for him to behave like that.

He didn't want her to be killed because he realised that she was in fact human (or was once) and she didn't attack him or attack anyone else.

Obligatory

>Nazis kill millions of people because of the war
>Can't even kill a cat

>>86816764
Same. I didn't expect anything from episode 9. But certainly not this. This episode doesn't really set anything up for next week. Which implies that the plot isn't going anywhere. Which it is.

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>>86816077
>>86816338
lmao, get lost kid

>>86816880
he just needs to retreat and recharge.

>>86816338
>1. I saged, sure is summer in here.
>referring to posts with sage as "saging"
Oh lawd.

No matter how you look at them, they're monsters not humans. Would you hug that thing? Have sex with it?

>>86816432sage
>*actionshit*
>>>/gaia/
>>>/out/

>>86815974 (OP)
>Pirate
Hostis humani generis

>Whalesquid
a possible once-innocent human.

OP, are you even trying?

>>86816842
>identifying humans=hideauze
Except that won't happen, they don't share DNA or anything.

>>86816883
This is the part where I slowly walk away and stop talking to you. Also this thread:

CHAMBER CAN RECHARGE. ITS EXPLICITLY STATED IN EVERY TRANSLATION. GAHH IM MAD.

>>86816968
Where do you think you are? Some people nearly started masturbating when they saw Whalesquid ass.

>>86816935
>lmao

>>86816663
Mice share 90% human genome, so these high numbers don't really mean all you think it means.
Also, your samefag detector is broken.

>>86816892
Dystopian and early deaths should be marked as well.

>>86816892
Could the Alliance be considered a dystopia? They live for the sole purpose of eliminating their political enemies and those not apt for combat are eliminated.

>>86816896
Twisting the truth.
Withholding the truth.
Call it as you wish. That's how it's presented in the show.

Didn't you hear Chamber saying that all the recordings are just a lies and propaganda?
Which is pretty big bullshit indicating they would do anything to keep their tools of war from knowing the exacts facts.

>>86817027
yes, well done.

>>86817027
The series itself isn't about the dystopia.

>>86817027
>political enemies
Hideauze aren't just "political" enemies though. They need to die

>>86817081
Did you watch the latest episode? Because that's just wrong.

>>86816968
I would live in a beach house just so I can be next to her and take long dives in the coral reef with her.

>>86816842
>They have human faces on their mouths for a reason.
You mean they have human-like faces.

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>>86817042
>Didn't you hear Chamber saying that all the recordings are just a lies and propaganda?
Chamber is an AI.
The GA programed him to think that everything they didn't tell him = propaganda and lies.

Can you really blame Chamber? I mean, he isn't even a human, he's just an AI.

yeah, gonna need the original of that.

>>86815974 (OP)
come on, he was mad that all he believe is fucking lie. Its like watching futanari anime only to discover everyone is female and no dick ever come out.

>>86817108
It isn't wrong, they're dangerous monsters

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>>86816968
Probably not sex, but she seemed amicable enough for a hug.

>>86816993
>they don't share DNA or anything.
>don't share DNA

>>86817135
there peple m8

>>86817122
>Can you really blame Chamber?
I wasn't doing that. Just pointing out what Alliance does to keep their soldiers from finding out origin of Squid monsters.

>>86817133
ilu

>>86816068
this

Everything's better with cute grils, even horrific deaths.
See also: Madoka 3

>>86816838
>Well it is loyal but to alliance, not to Ledo.
Exactly this.

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>>86817114

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How

>>86817137
>Finholding
Disgusting on so many levels.

>>86816892
>innocent MC
Wut?

>>86817161
It's kind of weird that they would program that into the AI. How would the soldiers find out about the squids without going to a planet no one even remembers exists?

You could argue that somewhere on Avalon there's probably a database with all the information. But it's pretty unlikely they would have their mechs with them outside of military activity.
Chamber is a pretty advanced AI. He's made to make judgements by himself. I could see him coming up with this on his own.

The hideauze are the tribe of bronze.

>>86817135
And so are people. They're two warrying branches wanting to exterminate each other.
And moreover, it was the human branch that initiated hostilities because of moralfaggotry.

>>86817206
Magi- I mean, science.

>>86817233
>But it's pretty unlikely they would have their mechs with them outside of military activity.
They do carry the headpieces everywhere.

>>86817027
>They live for the sole purpose of eliminating their political enemies
Not really, but it surely plays a big part. You know, those things actually do threaten to eliminate all humankind because they hate technology and well, you can't just turn off your spaceship in space.
Also, I believe it was stated that you can retire after serving the military for some time and actually have a life.

Can anyone give the names of the coming episodes?

>>86817233
It could happen that some Machine Caliber with pilot get stranded near some almost destroyed nest and starts digging around.
You just don't take the chances.

>>86817161
It's better that way, those mindless squids won't stop attacking the Union just because they happened to originated from the same species.
They have reached a level were they cannot co-exist together.

The humans are still humans and can think for themselves, etcetera but are filled with propaganda to prepare them against the fight against the space squids
While the space squids are just part of a large hivemind with probably no self consciousness

>>86816842
If she was Elaine than she already lived more than 6000 years and you can safely consider her as the borg queen of Hideaze. Also what kind of retard go give a hug a mecha which just destroyed all of her species 10 sec ago?

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>>86817219

>>86817206
More like why.
You can have any form in space, why go for squids.
And why keep the head there?
And why don't they have hands or any appendage that is actually useful anywhere beyond the ocean?

>>86817242
>initiated hostilities because of moralfaggotry
The fucking thing attacks everything that emits eletromagnetic radiation, how is killing it moralfaggotry?

>>86817283

This. Anyone?

>>86817242
>And so are people
edgt

>They're two warrying branches wanting to exterminate each other
One side is people wanting to survive and the other side is monsters that lost their humanity

>moralfaggotry
Edgy

>>86817233
I like the theory he decided to deny it on his own. Part of his job has been confirmed to keep his pilots wellbeing and ability to perform healthy. Realizing the war you fought was a lie does not help out that goal at all.

It wasn't Elaine
It was Ledo's family member

>>86817329
Squids are resistant to high pressure environments.
At least the colossal deep ocean squids.

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>>86817206
First generation still resembling humans.

Also was I the only one who noticed that their teeth were strangely resembling human teeth?
I've totally seen it coming.

>>86817242

And they were correct too. Humanity didn't need to genetically modify itself to go into space and the sideeffects could have been much worse.

The pirates attacked them first

The squids were just minding their own business

>>86817270
>>86817287
I guess those "kinda" answer the question. But I'm not sure. They could have brainwashed Ledo into not accepting any alternative point of view in the first place if they weren't going to take any chances. Like Ledo would just go "Oh hey, this is that propoganda they told me about. Let's destroy it Chamber."

>>86817206
That was so retarded.

>>86817302
Absolutely nothing confirms the Hidauze are hive mind. Absolutely fucking nothing. In the historical data it shows a Hidauze leader giving a speech to his people. Hiveminds don't do that.

>>86817335
ur an idjit

>>86817329
Yeah. It's like they wrote the origin story of the Hideauze AFTER they designed them. What I mean is that they didn't write the Hideauze and then design them, they designed them and then wrote them. So you end up with something silly like that.

It's called character development. How many times do we have to go over this?

>>86817283
>>86817341

10. Suffering
11. Suffering
12. Suffering
13. Congratulations

>>86817393

Dude alot of animals teeth look like that are you retarded?

I'd rather die than become a squid person

>>86817470
id be a squid person looks fun

Amy squid when?

>Alliance see themselves as the last remnants of humanity fighting off the alien squid menace trying to destroy their way of life.

>Squids see themselves as the last remnants of humanity fighting off hostile Alien AI trying to destroy organic life.

>>86817206
They told me I could become anything so I became a squid butt.

>>86817461
>13. Congratulations
>read it as Omedetou with Rei's voice in my head

>>86817302
>While the space squids are just part of a large hivemind with probably no self consciousness
[citation needed]
Some screenshots or scans please, not just, they were moving like a swarm in space = hive mind.


Also the anime tries to show both Space Monsters and Space Nazis are wrong and perpetuating an endless war, while the Gargantains (primitive people) and Kujira Ika (primitive Hideauze) can coexist on Earth.

Too bad anons are hell bent on taking sides with the warring factions and argue for days about who started first and who continued first and who's marginally more wrong then the other one.

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>>86817003
>nearly

>senmetsu episode all the way
>ledo was wrong in the end

Fuck, I don't know what to think anymore...

OP can't into psychology.

Amy squid for chamber destroy when?

>>86817467
>front teeth are flat
>then fangs
only ape and human teeth.

>>86817544
He wasn't wrong though, what's wrong with you people?

>>86817394
>Don't need

There are a lot of things people don't need but do anyway.

>>86817391
Yeah for all the high pressure you have to deal with in space

I wouldn't mind having tentacles though

>>86817432
>Hideauze leader giving speech
no one againt him, everyone absolutely agree with their leader.
>No hivemind do that
Tyranid say HI!

>>86817432
How about the fact that they attack without a reason?

>>86817496

the goverment knows the truth.
And the elder hideous also do.

>>86817416
Because brainwashing isn't a thing the alliance does. They do spin information and lie to the citizens, but they let them retain their minds and critical thinking.
The squids don't, the zealots.

>>86817461

Anyone got the real name? We need the names for speculation.

>>86817503
that's not their butt

>>86815974 (OP)
They can't talk or do anything
Why did they want to do this, someone should release them from their suffering

>>86817589

And they deserve to be punished for their transgressions. Like they were.

>>86817432
Yeah back when they still could, you know speak and actually was still a hybrid human/squid
They have spent thousands of years evolving and now they have nothing related to humans.

>>86817453
The character designer is a former doujinshi artist, why not put tentacles in the story?

>>86817638
>Why did they want to do this
They didn't. The originals were kidnapped victims and the scientists who ruled them after lobotomizing them to assure that they became docile.

>>86817206
That's fifty different kinds of fucked up

>>86817649
Get out of here and go to your dystopian space ship to serve military till rest of your life.

>>86817626
>Because brainwashing isn't a thing the alliance does.
Some would define sleep 'learning' with propaganda and some half truths mixed in as brainwashing.

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You know that "chain of command" thing that Chamber follows? I can see someone else from the GA landing on Earth and using their superior position to take control of Chamber. Kugel is a prime suspect, but it could be someone else.

>>86817689
>originals were kidnapped victims
Stop posting this bullshit.

>>86817533
>
Also the anime tries to show both Space Monsters and Space Nazis are wrong and perpetuating an endless war, while the Gargantains (primitive people) and Kujira Ika (primitive Hideauze) can coexist on Earth.

I'm pretty sure the guy with an artificial pacemaker who was thrown into the sea from Gargantia disagrees with you.

>>86817335
Oh, of course the attacks are juistified now. From both sides.
But it was moralfags attacking the artificial evolution research center. They started to defend themselves and not long after it became "let's annihilate each other".

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>>86817206
This somehow ruined the whole shocking history reveal.

>>86817626
>but they let them retain their minds and critical thinking.

Ledo pretty much lacked crytical thinking back then. He started to think more after he found info.

>>86817736
That key ridget got is for a command unit. shes going to fight chamber.

>>86817578
I was totally agreeing with him till this episode. Hideauze were a threat and Ledo had the power to stop them. But now, I realize he didn't need to. All this after 20 minutes of intense killing.

>>86817738
I'm sure all the people they turned into squids were completely willing. Even the 8 year old.

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>>86817710
Not that dude but that sounds just like heaven.

>>86817752
>I'm pretty sure the guy with an artificial pacemaker who was thrown into the sea from Gargantia disagrees with you.
>guy with an artificial pacemaker
I'm lost.

>>86817817
But he needed to, they're still dangerous monsters, they're only just a bit more docile than the space version. That isn't enough to spare them

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>he burned it down instead of making a flute

He's losing it. He still looks concentrated but he's getting nervous. He's losing his edge.

Put it this way, if the Alliance returns to Earth they may try to instill a one world government but they'll most likely leave the native humans alone or improve their standard of living.

If the Hideauze return to Earth it's only a resource to drain, Native humans will forcibly be forcibly evolved.

>>86817754
To be fair, they attacked the researchers because they feared something could have gone wrong. Surely they could have awaited for ONU's approaval and shit before doing it.
But guess what, they were right.

>>86817837

I more like the squid live.
>no hunger
>no problems
>just you stars sunlight and females of your kind

>>86817825
You can go on about <18 unable to give consent.
I can go on about daughter wanting to be together with daddy don't giving a fuck about the squid 'outfit'.

Please tell me that that wasn't the squid girl from the tape that Chamber killed at the end.

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>>86815974 (OP)

>>86817871
I don't believe humans can evolve into Hideauze right now.
All their labs are gone and the current Hideauze have evolve far beyond the originals.
They're just pumping out eggs and these children will just see themselves as squids and they have nothing in common with humans

>>86817855
Of course there is no one in Gargantia with an artificial pacemaker.
There is no one breathing with the help of machines too.
Can you guess why?

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>>86816735
Ah, but that's where you're wrong. Lot of people give a special amount of shit when chimps and gorillas are killed.

>>86817837
Until someone starts shooting your way. And he hits, and you survive. But some guy with future excel sheet does the math and they flush you out because healing you would be too costly.

>>86817948
If the girl in the tape lived that long she probably was the breeder squid.

>>86817948
Maybe it was a child

>>86817967
If we're getting to the 'they are stuck at their tech level forever' its mostly anons exaggeration.

>>86817754
you expect people will let you create bioweapon using human body?

>>86817910
And I can go on about how if the scientists have no qualms about turning a little girl into a squid freak, then their morality is probably very flexible.
And those people are in charge of the hideauze.

>>86815974 (OP)
He grew up and started valuing life unlike most sociopathic manchildren in /a/.

>>86817949
Every time I see this picture, I first see half of an pirate and then I realize it's a hook and fish.

>>86817898
It's only natural that evolvers would counter-attack if they were attacked. I could also say that they were obviously wrong and that they could have coexisted as different space-nations had they been left alone.
Although they didn't take too many efforts for peace either. Both sides were too similar in their faggotry for their own good and has resulted in a six millenia war.

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Remember guys! Fight for humanity, kill every disgusting fucking mansquids.

If you join the Alliance, you can get a first class citizenship in Avalon and a free Senmetsu waifu as your reproductive partner.

>>86818036
I value human life not some squid's that is super dangerous

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>>86818011
the point of evolution was to extend life so she must have been her.

She was trying to give him a hug.

>>86818036
Thank you sanity. You may ascend to a higher plane of being now. Maybe >>>/out/

>>86817802

So what your saying is he still had the ability to think critically about the situation and act like someone who had been brainwashed?

>>86818119
>hug
It was something dangerous, you can never be too cautious with hideauze

>>86818089
>If you join the Alliance, you can get a first class citizenship in Avalon and a free Senmetsu waifu as your reproductive partner.

you mean 4 weeks of limited citizenship once in 16 years?

>>86818119
So she has been swimming there for ages? Is this what she wanted?

>>86817906
Pffft
>sex consisting of mutual masturbation
ie salmon: http://www.marinebio.net/marinescience/05nekton/sarepro.htm

>>86818157
She's been living her life with her family and people(squidpeople) she loved.

>>86818157
where is her daddy?
are she still retain her humanity?

>>86818157
Welcome to the Hideauze.
Really all we've seen from them is that they're basically just like all unintelligent animals that just walks around for their whole life

>>86818094
See, it's posts (and threads) like this that remind me that most of /a/ never read actually good sci fi.

Coexistence with other sentient races is almost always the better plan. The other species has to be a bunch of real dickholes to make it worth it to try killing them all.

>>86818157
Can you even call that living?
She must have been bored out of her mind. She was the only squid on earth with an IQ above 10.

>>86818151
I thought it's perpetual?

>>86818019
I don't think they are exaggerating much though. The squid fear plays a huge hand in Gargantia, and probably on other ships too, to the point they would sacrifice someone in a ITU (or never have an ITU at all) by turning off the power if they met a bunch of squids.
The point is, the "coexisting" thing is not really happening at all. It's like saying a mice is coexisting with a cat inside a house because the cat still haven't detected the mice's presence.

>>86818221
They aren't that unintelligent though, they're dangerous because they're intelligent.

But it does seem kind of sad though.

>>86818025
This is going nowhere slowly and I'm not really interested in another few full rounds of who did it first and why the other side is more wrong.

There were no kidnappings as you? originally stated. If there were, news would be all over it with 10 foot high bloody letters screaming 'terrorists' in the background and not tiptoe about it talking about recruitment which most likely means they recruit people for experiments the other side disagrees with instead of science / support stuff.

If they were kidnapping and enslaving humans and it would become publicly known they would very soon lose the support of the world which didn't happen.

Both Squid people and Union failed to utterly destroy each other which strongly suggests that the military forces were somewhat similarly sized.

>>86818089
I just noticed, why there is no female Senmetsu in the show?

I bet she would be a damn hottie in a bodysuit.

>>86818231
Hideauze are pretty dickish or at least the space version and they're ugly. If humans can they should destroy them. I have nothing against other species but hideauze are clearly just monsters and only some of them have human faces

>>86818212
I'm pretty sure daddy fucked off with the rest of the space squids and left her there to rot.
And I highly doubt the rest of the squids are inteligent enough for conversation.
Hell, I doubt she was.

>>86817977
Such is life.

>>86817615
Hideauze attack humans because otherwise humans would attack them and bring them to extintion.

Now reverse "hideauze" and and "humans" and you have the other side of the story.

>>86818302
>females
SENMETSU

>>86818083
>It's only natural that evolvers would counter-attack if they were attacked.
Dude, in case you didn't notice, the evolvers no longer exist. What there is now is a squid nest and maybe a few squidpeople from the older generations.

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Mama...

>>86817949
theres no bait on that hook

>>86818299
We found the tapes in the hideauze lab. They could have altered the facts any way they wanted in those tapes.

>>86818242
Nope
>16 years of service
>4 weeks of ritirement if you survive
>16 more years
>you want probably survive twice
>16 more years
>4 weeks when you are old if you're not considered by Alliance too old to live since they are rushy to dispose of useless ones.

>>86818139
>no moe allowed

>>86818149
couldve evolved BOMBScantus

>>86818337
>Mama... *bonk*
That was like a slap in the face.

Were the whale-squids Ledo annihilated evolved people or what?

>>86818364
blame the squid and their supporter

>>86818399
did you even watch it

>>86818231
Space is fucking big, they should be able to just stay away from each other.

>>86818255
>a mice
Meant mice

>>86818364
At least I have a Senmetsu waifu.

LEDO NO BAKA.

(or Chamber)

I guess we won't be getting the 'BETA rape and kill everyone on gargantia and Ledo returns back to space for an eternity of warfare' ending.

Fuck anime.

Guys! Guys! Listen, guys! Hideauze is a symbiote who grew without human part. As you can see in chronics they has two types: squid-looking with huge teeth and human-type. I think thats it.

>>86818337
MAMA
I JUST KILLED A MAN
PUT MY TEETH AGAINST HIS HEAD
CLOSED MY MOUTH, NOW HE'S DEAD
MAMA, NEW LIFE HAD JUST BEGUN
BUT NOW I'VE GONE AND WASHED IT ALL AWAY
MAMA, OOOOHH
DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE YOU BLEED
IF I HAVEN'T DESTROYED HUMANS THIS TIME TOMORROW
CARRY ON, CARRY ON AS IF NOTHING REALLY MATTERS

>>86818316
Yeah, exactly. The space ones aren't much different than the things in Gun/Diebuster. They don't have much of a choice up there.
The ones left on earth are distinct and mostly peaceful. They really shouldn't have bothered. Genocide is genocide m8.

>>86818457

it's Chamber wa baka

>>86818335
We are talking about the ORIGIN of the conflict, about who opened fire first, why and how right or wrong they were.

>>86818302
Females make shit soldiers, they were probably turned to soylent green.

>>86818499
But females make all the soldiers.

>>86818255
>The squid fear plays a huge hand in Gargantia,
And half of the fleet was ok to go into their territory.
>to the point they would sacrifice someone in a ITU (or never have an ITU at all) by turning off the power if they met a bunch of squids.
Debatable. Also ICUs have their own separate backup power independent from the outside.
The whole turn everything of was just a reaction to the unusually large pod unusually close to the surface. Normally they don't poke the squids and squids don't give a fuck. This time they were afraid squids are out for blood because Ledo hugged one to death.
>The point is, the "coexisting" thing is not really happening at all
Squids are probably sourceof the lightning bug nanobots enabling Gargantians to harvest the power.
>It's like saying a mice is coexisting with a cat inside a house because the cat still haven't detected the mice's presence.
I think Ledo's 'they'll attack as soon as your thech level gets to +5' has to be taken with a grain of salt.

>>86818340
you were just baited

>>86817948
It was, the alliance is keeping eternal life and biological space travel from its people because of "muh humanity".

>>86818322
Then why don't they attack humans if they turn their ship power off?
Your logic has a big flaw here.

Ledo doesn't have the technology to return to the GA, but that doesn't mean the GA won't come to HIM.

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>>86818479
+10

>>86818516
Only in fucking Chinese cartoons.

>>86818488
No, you are talking abou the origin. I'm talking about the present, a bazillion years after.

>>86818343
Chamber stop posting.
If they were manipulating the recordings why didn't they leave it all out so we have no reason to suspect anything?

Also if you play the 'manipulated media' card. Are you sure the news are not biased toward the Union?

>>86818585
No, actually, in everything.

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>>86818575
>Chamber forces Ledo to hibernate.
>Chamber goes senmetsu mode 9000.
>Timeskip thousands of years.
>The Alliance arrives at Earth.
>Wakey wakey Ledo.

>>86818606
>If they were manipulating the recordings why didn't they leave it all out so we have no reason to suspect anything?
But they did.

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>>86818516
>>86818608

>>86818608
bretty clevver bruh

kind of a slowpoke but wow amy melty and saaya sure are pro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delivery_health

>>86818640
>But they did.
That's why the recorded news were talking about it?
Chamber using VLC != they edited the memory crystals.

>>86818299

They didn't have the support of the world in the first place. Thats why their research centre was secret and why the first part of the news was an expose of their genetic engineering.

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>you will never be bros with Chamber

>>86818302

There was in the first episode. The girl Ledo tried to save as she was getting crushed by hideauze.

>>86818718
They made the recordings, and they left them out there.
Who's to say they recorded everything?

>>86818726
>They didn't have the support of the world in the first place.
Who was shooting back at the Union guys trying to destroy the labs then?

Is the union so weak that with large support they can't bomb one lab into oblivion?

>>86818748
Fuck.

All of my why.

>>86818322

Because earth humans and earth hideauze are different.

Although technically the earth Hideauze drew first blood on pinions brother.

>>86818742
I like his abilities, but the sentient part of him is a fucking psychotic war machine. Not the best bro imho.

You could never bring him to the aquarium for starters.

>>86818521
>And half of the fleet was ok to go into their territory.
Did you watch the show? These things fuck MIGRATE. Just by being in the sea you might have an encounter.

>Also ICUs have their own separate backup power independent from the outside.
Yeah, which is also shut down when you don't want to emmit the slightest detectable radiation.

>This time they were afraid squids are out for blood because Ledo hugged one to death.
This happened AFTER the first squid-Gargantia encounter after Ledo joined them.

>Squids are probably sourceof the lightning bug nanobots enabling Gargantians to harvest the power.
Bullshit, citation needed. Even if it were true, there are a bunch of other energy sources available (sun, wind).

Get your "facts" together, man.

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>>86817393
Look at this from EP 7. I actually find this silly. "Look at dat ass" and didn't take this seriously resembling some human shape.

Then EP 9 happened.

>>86818815
>psychotic
Chamber is just doing his duty

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So since the chain of command was mentioned, will we be seeing the return of captainbro, commandeering Chamber, either SENMETSU-ing the Gargantians when disobeying or ordering mass murder on Hideauze. Or, maybe the pirates found him and we'll get a humans vs human conflict like in the recording?

>>86818783
Because it'd be stupid and vastly inefficient to have half your populace be unable to fight your enemies.

Totalitarian state don't give a shit about your gender. It's not like your physical prowess matters when you're fighting with ships and there's no reaction time difference between men and women.

>>86818815

It's not psychotic. Ledo is just retarded for believing an unreliable source without considering that it could be doctored information.

>>86815974 (OP)
His Illusions just got shattered

>>86818854
Yes, in context he's very useful and normal. In our world, just like on the Gargantia, he doesn't fit in too well.

See also Iraq/Iran war veterans. And all other war veterans.

>>86818909
But women are also mentally inferior.

>>86817393
>SORE

>>86818770
Ok. We're going into WHAT IF? territory and we could argue for hours without any real backup from anime what might have or might not have happened.

Anyway why would they leave manipulated recordings? So when the lab is blown up or overrun the people would find them and believe them unconditionally?
You are aware that during the events happening it would serve no purpose whatsoever because anyone could have complete unedited recordings of anything publicly broadcasted, aren't you?

So was it some 'just as planned' moment and they planted it there for future Alliance soldier to find and turn soft?

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Okay, I had a headache while watching this and couldn't fully pay attention. Did I get this right?

It would be too hard for humans to find another inhabitable planet so half the world did some bioengineering shit and turned themselves into squids. Then the other half was like fuck you guys are sick I'd rather live in space as a human than turn myself into that so they built some wormhole portal thingie and left the earth to the squiddies. And then the squids were suddenly all like, FUCK YOU, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE FOR WHATEVER REASON SO WE'RE GOING TO RUIN YUOR SHIT AHAHAHAH MAN I'M SUCH A DICK

And then never ending war between hideauze and humans?

I am confused. If this is what happened, I sure as hell don't feel bad for the squidmen. And it felt like the show wanted me to feel bad for them or pull some kind of HUMANS WERE THE BAD GUYS ALL ALONG crap.

>>86818909
>not psychotic to have genocide as a prime directive.

Oooookhay. I'll repeat what I said before. He works fine in space. But on the Gargantia and with the Earth Hideazue his methods are far too absolutist.

Calling it now: in following episodes, current hideauze will be shown to be more humane than thought and faggots here will claim alines not being complete monsters came out of nowhere and that it's bad writting, an asspull and such.

>>86818938
How can squids manipulate information without fingers or any sort of finger like analog?

>>86819048
So the alliance are basically the hippies now?

>>86818998
>>>/the 1800s/

>>86819037
What's wrong about them?
I don't speak Nihon to know if translation is wrong or not but everything else seems fine to me.

>>86816842
What if Chamber disobeyed because he's actually still in contact with his superiors, which gave him command to hide that fact?
This might mean that the initial conflict about clearence level was due to Chamber processing if it made more sense to play the mole or to keep to the chain of command.

>>86819077
What? How? Because they value their humanity?

>>86818599
You were replying to a post that was replying to a psot about the researchers.
Researchers->counter-attack->but evolvers don't exist anymore!

>>86819108
>not >>>/pol/

>>86819048
Remember, those records were found in Squids' base. Of course they made it so that squid look right.
Actually they are just jelly. Evolvers sacrificed humanity to survive, but then the Union laughed to their face "We will survive without turning into monsters".
Then the Evolvers went full retard.
Kinda like the nofunallowed faggot on /a/.

>>86818938

Because the evolvers were not squids, they made the squids.

>>86818817
>Did you watch the show? These things fuck MIGRATE. Just by being in the sea you might have an encounter.
Yes and? As I said, you don't poke the squid, squid doesn't give a fuck.
>Yeah, which is also shut down when you don't want to emmit the slightest detectable radiation.
Way to ignore the whole 'special circumstances' part.
>Bullshit, citation needed.
Watch the last episode, female tech looking at the blown up squids commenting about the nanobots.

>>86819131
No, because they are against genetic manipulation, for protecting the environment, saving humanity and peace

>>86819055
I think we're all thinking that.