>Seasonal releases
>Lower budget
No shit.

They are also creatively bankrupt.

This is like saying Anno was the Director of Evangelion therefore all other Gainax anime are by him.

In Hyouka that was a pretty damn important scene.
In Tamako it was essentially a throw away one.
It's not hard.

>>81176286
Because the director has everything to do with artstyle and animation.

>>81176324
Because studios don't have different artists or animators as well?

I love Chitanda.

>>81176324
God, you are dense

>>81176448
>it's just artificial animation

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>>81176480

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what is with these proportions

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>>81176691
I remember K-ON having the same problems with HANDS and FEET but were they ever that bad?

they are touching rock bottom

>Hyouka: forced animation
>TM: how the genre should look like

/thread

>>81176807
She look so off there, must be those eyes and hands.

>>81176879
Was forced animation a thing when Hyouka was airing?

>>81176931
It started with chuuni didn't it?

>>81176931

It started in Kokoro Connect threads and expanded beyond.

>>81176691
Reminds me of Wind Waker.

>>81176931

It started with Chuuni, particularly the 2nd ep.

>>81176992
How new are you?

You should use the opening scenes of each show instead.

Sort of related but yesterday I tried to finish Hyouka after dropping it at episode 12 and couldn't last one episode. Which is painful to me since the animation is jaw-dropping gorgeous and the characters are very likeable. But watching episode 13 I just... I just could not go on, /a/ ;_;

>>81176214 (OP)
If Kyoani keeps making bland and otherwise uninteresting anime (despite being fun to watch) they will loose even more fans as the time goes.

>>81177107
From what I've heard I don't think Japan cares much about animation studio loyalty

>>81176214 (OP)
>2D vs 3D

Well atleast they are still hand drawing crowds. I watched the first episode of Maoyuu and the CG crowds looks like it's from a fucking Dreamcast game.

The so-called 'battle" scenes in Chuu2, while looks smoothly animated it always ended in anti-climax way. What's up with that?

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>>81177107
>(despite being fun to watch)
if it's fun what's the problem?

>>81177107

>bland and uninteresting
>fun to watch

what?

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Always bet on Yamada motherfucker

>>81177222
Well, the tone of the series was a silly romantic comedy about delusional people

>>81177222
I think because all the fights ended abruptly?

>>81177298
she's my artfu

>>81177222

The first two were pretty good but yeah, the others were either too short or lacked impact.

>>81177045
I should ask you the same. Forced animation took off while Chuuni was airing. It was used a few times before that but it was during Chuuni that it reached common shitposting usage.

To answer the OP though, yeah it's pretty clear Tamako has a lower budget than Hyouka. You can tell with how little advertising it had going for it prior to airing.

Pretty amazing that it still looks better than the majority of other airing shows though.

>>81177298
I have more faith on Ishihara than her.

As much as I like KyoAni, I'm fine if this bombs. Just means that we can hopefully get more sequels to the first generation of shows like Haruhi or FMP.

>>81177428
I'm not really sure if it looks better, but it certainly has better animation than most anime this season.

>>81177481
>FMP
second raid bombed hard. why do you think they haven't made any sequels? the light novels are long gone and there's plenty left to adapt for SEVERAL different seasons.

>>81177459
I know what you meant but
>Faith-On!!
I would watch this, make it so based yamada

>>81177459
I have equal faith in both; Takemoto too.

I'm just glad they all play for the same team.

>>81177540
>gone
done* besides the sequel series of light novels

>>81177507
Well that's what I meant when I said it looks better. I'll remember to be specific next time.

>>81177428
>Pretty amazing that it still looks better than the majority of other airing shows though.
well kyoani shows as of late air in 900p half HD, so that might be it.

>>81177459
>>81177298
Takemoto >>> *

>>81177586
Any idea since when?

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This is just what I've heard and is probably wrong but.. After the Haruhi movie sold so well, KyonAni had money to burn so they created Nichijou which was more for self gratification which they hoped would sell but knew that if it were to sell poorly they wouldn't take too big a hit. However, it sold record poorly throwing KyonAni into a slump which they trying to get out of by airing more shows.

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>>81176691
What is this, a school for ants?

>>81177392
Pretty sure forced animation has been around since K-ON. Ever since K-ON started winning all those awards for its outstanding animation, shitters have tried to marginalize how important animation is.

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>>81176807
Most KyoAni shows go extreme chibi mode with hands and feet in distance shots but they have unparalleled detail for hand closeups. It's weird. Maybe because it's moe desu?

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>>81176525
Is it just a coincidence or why do these three always remind me of them?

>>81177684
The production committee for Nichijou formed in 2009. The Haruhi movie was shown/sold on BD/DVD in 2010. For that theory to be true, KyoAni would have to 1. lead a production committee for a Kadokawa publication (not happening) and 2. own a time machine.

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>>81177693

>>81176214 (OP)
Why're you comparing such a good serie with a crap one ?

>>81177831
Tamako has Mugi eyes and Green has Mio eyes. Kanna and Yui are both autistic

>>81177684
KyoAni projects start like 3 years in advance mate. Maybe they were sending themselves d-mails then?

>>81177894

Because they are done by the same animation studio?

The forced animation in Hyouka is pretty bad, but it's not as frustrating as the force character development in Tamako or the forced romance in Chunibyou. Still, nothing will top the forced exposition in Haruhi.

Kyo-ani is the studio of forced everything.

Tamako should really see a dermatologist.

>>81177869
>>81177914
Thought it seemed sketch. I heard this from a friend and it kind of pieced together based on how they aired so.

>>81177094
Isn't that about when the festival is supposed to start? The festival was my favorite part of Hyouka.

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>>81177968
I agree, KyoAni fucking sucks.

Forced success, forced popularity, forced best studio in the industry.

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>>81177146
>it's a good thing tamako market remedies that by not being the usual otaku pandering moeshit.
Anon, please. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>81177642
Nichijou was the first full TV anime they did in near-HD.

can someone explain to me wtf is wrong with the right side of the picture or left? im new and i have no clue whats going on

>>81178039
Don't be so immature. If you watch shows only at the surface level, you'll be a manchild forever.

>>81178075
Why would anyone ruin a character like that?

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>>81178103
>wtf

The only difference is color correction and cgi gimmicks

>>81177642
Believe it or not, the first Haruhi OP/ED. They re-filmed it for the BD-Box/HD airings, so it's technically the first one they made in 955.5p.

Artificial animation.

>>81176214 (OP)
>original
I thought this was based on a LN?

Can we get a KyoAni show animation power ranking

>>81178094
Speaking of which, I wonder if Tamako is being made at 1005p or whatever they used last.

>>81178029
The problem with kyoani is that they make really good OPs and they mislead me into thinking I'm going to watch something good so I'm forced to watch their fucking shows thanks to them. Fucking forced OPs.

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>>81178107
Nevermind, you're right. Tamako Market is 2deep4me.

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>>81178191
chuuni > k-on > shit > remaining ones

>>81178199
Sounds like you're a part of their forced fanbase.

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>>81178199
But K-ON has terrible OPs. The EDs are pure sex though

In Hyouka that was setting up the entire series as it revolved around the clubs.

In Tamako there's no point to go all out and waste budget on that when they have brown loli ass to animate.

>>81178199
What's even worse is how they make such great EDs so I'm forced to watch the entire episode to see the ED at the end. Forced EDs, forced studio.

>>81178194
It's made at 955.5p with 1080p OP/EDs like Hyouka/Chuunibyou.

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>>81178276
Well it's good to see the masters at KyoAni have their priorities straight.

>>81177725
Nichijou hands were so ugly and unfeminine

>>81178182
It's getting a LN with 11 short stories that weren't going to be episodes.

>>81177233
enjoying and finding anime fun is too main stream...

>>81177233
forced fun

>>81178191
Sure.
Nichijou>Hyouka>=K-On!!>K-On!>=Tamako>Chuu2=Clannad+AS>the rest don't even matter

no such thing
>>81178368

>>81178336
That's their charm, though. Girls and boys have the same hands and feet and no one has tits in the entire show.

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>>81178319
They're doing God's work.

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>>81178392
>the rest don't even matter

>>81178191

Munto 2 = Munto 3 > Munto 1

>>81178319
Forced brownness

>>81178392
>No Haruhi or FMP

Disgusting.

It has been pointed out already in the thread, but Hyouka's clip is the first scene from the first episode.

For comparison, Tamako Market's first scene of ep 1 is insanely well-animated as well, I'd say even more than Hyouka's. Go check it if you need confirmation.

>>81178392
>the rest don't even matter
>i.e. I haven't seen any other KyoAni shows which happen to be better than everything listed.

>>81178427
>>81178443
They aren't in position to be competing with their recent works in animation, which is what the anon asked for.

>>81178469
But that's just foolishly incorrect.

>>81178433
Agreed. Although if you could count only the first half of Munto 3 it had the most explosions and therefore was the best part.

>>81178469
Art design/resolution =/= animation

>>81178476
Put Disappearance before Kanon and it's A-Ok.

>>81178469
Yet Clannad is? It was only released a year after Haruhi, you know.

>>81178476
You really think Lucky Star has better animation than all those?

I'd put it around middle at most

>>81178476
>This shit taste
I don't
Am I being trolled?

>>81178487
Enlighten me, then. How do the inconsistent FMP and Haruhi compare to something like Clannad?

Mind you, every Kyoani production is still above average, I am just saying some go above and beyond to be sakugafests like the top three I listed, some are just "well-produced" shows that aren't particularly noteworthy.

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>>81178476
>Haruhi-chan
>better animated than all, but one of KyoAni's other anime

>>81178571
Clannad is the biggest piece of forced drama shit I've ever seen. I couldn't bear to watch more than three episodes from the sheer weight of how bad the art, characters, plot, and everything was. The animation was well done, considering the source, but that's honestly all it had going for it.
Clannad is a bad anime and you should feel bad for defending it.

>>81178560
>>81178617

Oh this is about animation? Well this just my overall ratings for kyoani shows. Only thing of theirs that I haven't seen is Munto and the second season of FMP.
Sorry.

>>81178527
Clannad came very close to the studio's breakthrough point which is K-On.
Lucky Star was the first show featuring the extreme consistency Kyoani is known for nowadays, and now I'm thinking I'd even put it above Clannad and Chuu2, but it was a production that was miles ahead of what they had been doing, and signaled the direction the studio will take after it.

>>81176214 (OP)
those two scenes still have way more animation than full episodes of other studios.

I dont cre much for Kyoani shows but one thing I think everyone can agree upon is that they can animate very very well.

Ma
wa
ru

mawa
ru
record-o

>>81178638
We're literally not talking about anything other than animation right now, you forced neckbeard.

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>>81178638
The original question was about animation quality

>>81178638
I'm not defending Clannad, KEYshit disgusts me.
It is, however, a better animated (keyword: animated) show than Haruhi or FMP.

>>81178571
There's nothing "inconsistent" about Haruhi unless you're referring to S2 being shit. From an animation standpoint it's just as good as everything else being mentioned besides that leg scene I know you're going to refer to.

Clannad's content was just plain bad. The animation was just as good as every other show they've done, nothing worth noting considering their works. Then you compare that to something like Disappearance which is essentially the epitome of sakuga porn, keeping it out was stupid.

FMP doesn't deserve to be mentioned, you're right.

>>81178655
>>81178655
>Can we get a KyoAni show animation power ranking
>>81178191

>>81178662
the right is just 3D

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>>81178638
>that one guy who uses forced in a serious manner when we've been mocking the word all thread

>>81178392
actually die

>>81178713
If you honestly can't see the inconsistencies in Haruhi's animation I don't know what to tell you.

Just a thing: Don't compare Haruhi to a random bottom of the barrel DEEN show, compare Haruhi to the output of recent Kyoani. It doesn't even stand a chance, same for Kanon and anything before them (besides Munto).

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Haruhi S1 > Disappearance > K-On!! > K-On! > Haruhi S2 > Nichijou > Hyouka > Chuunibyou > FMP > Clannad > Tamako Market > Lucky Shit > Air

>>81177968
>>81178029
/v/ pls

>>81178259
Seconded. God damn do I love K-on's ED.

>>81178560
I don't know of a single off-character frame in all of Lucky Star so it's fairly high by TV standards but definitely the lowest KyoAni show for sakuga. Literally every single scene takes place from the waist up at a desk, table, or walking around.

>>81178674
>Only good part about the show

What is the best KyoAni OP and ED?

>>81178820
Lucky Star has great animation regardless of the static shots.
And it features stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOmYDU-Lmyc

>>81178784
Well obvious comparing Haruhi to something like Hyouka is silly, they've gotten better, they've gotten more money, probably more staff, and have learned from their mistakes. But saying it's inconsistent or poorly animated (by their standards) without any specific examples I don't think I can accept your argument at all then.

>>81178777
>Forced parody

>>81178476
>kanon at the front
>disappearance like halfway down
>nichijou more than halfway down
>chuu2 at the bottom
>haruhi-chan at the front
you're fucking retarded die

>>81178791
Disappearance>Hyouka>HaruhiS1>Haruhi S2>Nichijou>FMP> Other works

>>81178832
OP: Nichijou 1
ED: K-ON movie

Fight me if you disagree

>>81178899
>Forcing forced

>>81176691
Are they midgets?

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>>81178832
Hyouka's first OP

Don't Say Lazy. Fucking love naked keions

>>81178884
>>81178884
>poorly animated (by their standards)
It's not that it's poorly animated, it just can't possibly be compared to anything they did after it. Haruhi is a very well animated show by anime's average standards, but this thread is ONLY about Kyoani so there you go.

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>>81178247


Nichibro's > FMP > Lucky Star > Clannad> Haruhi >>>> Chuushit > Hykashit >>>>>> KShit

>>81178919
>dissappearance
HOLY SHIT LMAO

>>81178940
Notice the (by their standards). I'm saying compared to their shows it's still decently animated.

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>>81178941
Your mums a shit and objectively a whore

chuuni is almost as good as SAO was, now get out

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>>81178992
>SAO
>good

>>81178992
here we go

>>81176879
>0/10
Try harder, troll

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>>81178920
Holy macaroni, you're 100% correct.

Also, K-ON! movie ED uniforms > Tamako uniforms.

>>81176214 (OP)
I wish the shows I like were animated as well as Tamako Market.

You might think it's shit because all you watch is KyoAni moe happy funtime stuff, but a lot of studios can't even make something as good as Tamako Market when they put their all into it.

>>81178970
Nah man, no way. Haruhi had long stretches of mouth-flaps, the acting animation is run of the mill standard anime crap without any of the nuance or amazing style they've been developing since K-On!, the overall movement arcs can get stiff at times (compare Ishidate's well-known fight scene to what he did at the start of K-On! S1E01, no contest).

What I'm saying is not that strange among sakugafags, consider that K-On!(!), Nichijou and Hyouka are the only three Kyoani shows listed on the sakuga@wiki, and Toshiyuki Inoue himself said very similar things about Haruhi, LS and K-On!'s animation.

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Best Key.

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>>81178992

>Chuuni almost as good as SAO

No I'd safely say that SAO and Chuuni are the same quality..... Shit

Ignoring the Sakugafags beating off to individual frames, as for actual content:

Disappearance > Kanon > Haruhi S1 > Lucky Star > K-ON! > Hyouka > Nichijou > FMP > Clannad > Haruhi S2 > K-ON!! > AS > Tamako > Chuuni > Air

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>>81179005
>>81179012
Any objections?

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>>81179066
I don't think anyone could possibly disagree with that assessment

>>81179099
>actual content

I can play this game too.
Hyouka>K-On!>Nichijou>Disappearance>rest

>>81179110
siztra pls.

>>81179094
Only good Key honestly. I'm glad I got over the ~uguu~ faces which somehow happened to be even worse than Clannad and Air and judged it for its actual content. It's one of their best shows.

Hyouka really is great.

>>81179183
Funny you appear as fast as I name you, fuck your samefagging.

>>81179005
>that's the joke
Chuuchuu a shit.

Best OP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ3pI25j4tk

Best ED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4k6HWcf6jM

>>81179067
Shh, don't tell them that.
They don't know what the rest of the market is like.
Let them live in blissful ignorance.

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>>81179156
Not everyone with a well formed taste is called Sizchan

>>81179099
Actually, sakugafags would beat off only to multiple frames in a sequence.

>>81179221
This is getting sad.

>>81179229
Ah shit, you're right.

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>>81179229

>only

pls

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>>81179067
Imagine a world

where GodAni animated everything

>>81179250
Why do you care, you've seen like 15 series, you probably don't even know 90% of the shows being stated here. Go back to shit posting.

>>81179250
Sure you were.

>>81177704

http://archive.foolz.us/a/search/text/%22forced%20animation%22/order/asc/

Mentioned only once before 2012, and as a joke, and the first fifteen posts take it up through October 2012. It started with Chuuni.

>>81179074
Don't forget that episode of Haruhi with Nagato reading for 3 minutes. Great animation there.

>>81179284
Jun Arai is shit. True sakugafags hate that guy.

>>81179300
Or imagine a show where KyoAni animated things of substance instead of fluff.

It's a world where KyoAni would go out of business.

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>>81179303
[04:31:23] me: >>81178941
[04:31:25] me: insta-mad
[04:33:01] Siztra: >sao
[04:33:02] Siztra: >good


As I linked him the thread in Skype, yes, he was.

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Wait, people actually think Chu2 is bad? The fuck?

>>81179300
That scene probably ended up costing more that 1/4 of Jojo's season 1 budget.

>>81179364
>Or imagine a show where KyoAni animated things of substance instead of fluff.
I don't need to imagine Hyouka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lIH7L5OpAA

Best animated KyoAni ED.

>>81179321
Forced facts aside, no one should use it or any other "forced" term seriously ever.

>>81179284
>Arasan
>Animation

Pick one.

>>81179370
The ending ruined it for me. It's bad compared to every other one of their shows. It's almost Air tier for me since it flopped so quickly from quirky comedy to unnecessary and overplayed drama.

>>81179364
KyoAni already does that with each show they work on and they're still trucking along.

You should probably put the thought of KyoAni going out of business out of your mind. It won't be happening during either of our natural lives.

>>81179366
I can do that
>[04:31:23] me: >>81178941 #
>[04:31:25] me: insta-stupid
>[04:33:01] Siztra: I know, I'm shitposting there as anon
>[04:33:02] Siztra: and sucking cocks

>>81179370

You obviously weren't here when it aired, because you would have heard many complaints. Unless you're like Madokids/Jinruifags and think all criticism is "trolling".

>>81179402
HAAH WAAW

Seriously though, Hyouka is the closest they will ever get to anything that isn't just feel good giveusyourmoneyplease stuff.

>>81179433
>You should probably put the thought of KyoAni going out of business out of your mind.
No one actually is stupid enough to believe that right? Even if you hate the show it's pure, objective fact their one of the most consistently best selling studios out there.

I'm waiting for the 10 replies of >Nichijou

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>>81179414
I thought we wanted to watch mlp together and join the irc crew afterwards to start a great shitstorm, because its not possible to participate in an appropiate manner on this boardd

>>81179433
>KyoAni already does that with each show they work on

I'm sorry, it's fine if you like their stuff but...they're not really great shakes in terms of storytelling and they aren't putting out anything particularly meaningful. Most studios don't. Most attempts end up becoming pretentious garbage anyway, so maybe it's better that they don't even try.

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>>81179407

The "forced" stuff started with some fucking idiot OP of a Kokoro Connect thread who didn't know the word "melodrama" but still wanted to describe why he didn't like the show, so he called it "forced drama". /a/ then latched onto it like a parasite and has been forcing that meme ever since.

Kill me now.

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>>81179444

>>81179518

Forced drama has been around since Clannad AS and reached a new height with AnoHana.

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>>81179507
B-but why

>>81179507
Cool shop m8.

>>81179477
Don't worry, no one actually believes it. It's just a kneejerk reaction for the most part. Maybe some of them have been waiting for years to vent because KyoAni has been successful for so long.

It's the same type of people who yell LAKERS ARE DONE, NA`VI ARE DONE, SONY IS DONE, etc. etc.

>>81179214
Munto never existed. There's a consensus on that one.

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>>81179518
>The "forced" stuff started with some fucking idiot OP of a Kokoro Connect thread who didn't know the word "melodrama" but still wanted to describe why he didn't like the show, so he called it "forced drama".
Are you fucking serious? "Forced drama" is a lot older than Kokoro Connect.

>>81179514
>not really great shakes in terms of storytelling
What? Storytelling is what they do best. Maybe you dislike the stories they tell, but you can hardly dispute the quality and dedication with which they're told.

>>81178919
Your first 3 are perfect

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>>81179566
I don't see anyone saying KyoAni is going out of business.

>>81179623

The stalker threads seem to have died down.

>>81179514
KyoAni are master storytellers. Making the ordinary seem beautiful is what they excel at. It's really the highest calling.

What's the problem?

The characters are CGI in both. They're mostly CGI in the Hyouka scene - the characters that aren't CGI are the ones waving signs. They're waving signs because a festival is going on and the school is a hive of activity and excitement.

There is no festival going on in Tamako Market. It's supposed to be any other day. It's not supposed to look like a hive of activity.

>>81179518
I first remember forced drama with AnoHana, but I'm sure it was around before then.

Kokoro Connect was labelled in such a way because it was forced drama in every sense of the phrase.

>>81179451
Unless the criticism is something of worth and not random buzzwords it might as well be a trolling attempt.

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>>81179582

What episode of Hyouka is that from?

>>81179674
Better composition.

>>81179622
What? You only changed the letter color, even paint can do that. Get reckt.

>>81179326
He's not that bad. He's come better as mecha action/effect animator than doing character animation.

>>81179721
It's the opener scene of the show.

>>81179714

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or1lk3kdO4Y

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>>81179735
No, actually it's a different time zone, because I am from western europe (germany).

>>81179721
It's the very first scene in the very first episode.

>>81179771
His scene in SSY #3 was great.

>>81179787
Okay, nice attention to details, you'll get far with your photoshopping skills.

>>81179771
>>81179806
Don't forget that scene from about 4 or 5 episodes ago, with the four-eyed guy killing those rats with guns.

>>81179771
His effects are awful.

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>>81179832
Either unbelievable dense or really bad troll.

>>81179864
I'm not the one samefagging to death these threads and coming with excuses backed up with fake images, m8.

>>81179674
Go through the scene in Hyouka frame by frame, you'll find that they are not CG.

>all this forced posting
>all these forced threads about KyoAni
>all this forced hatred

>>81179806
It only worked because the stylistic change is useful as a storytelling device, like the Shingo Yamashita scenes.

When he animated some more scenes more recently it didn't work so well.