People who complain about subtitles too much tend to mind them because they feel like some sort of archivist who MUST HAVE THE BEST.

They could get employed by the history channel with said attitude.

>yet there are so many weeaboos in the states
Because there are 300m americans, so it's normal that there are a lot of weeaboos.

>has reading subtitles in anime also helped people interest themselves in other foreign movies and media that others might deem "unaccessible" due to the subtitles?
No, but my only interests are anime, manga and sports so I don't care anyway.

Most americans are ignorant and they think reading is for faggots. There are exceptions, but the main mass is like that.

>>80448734
>reading is for faggots.

I'm not American, but don't most people in other countries think like that too?

>>>/tv/

>>80448774
No.

>>80448774
American spy, pls go

>>80448774
I wouldn't say so.

I'm American, and neither me, my family, or my friends have ever had a problem with subtitles. Me and my family even put on subtitles for movies that are already in English. We've also watched several foreign movies with subtitles with no problem (and I started that before starting anime).

>>80448774
No.

>>80448844
Would your friends and their families see this as weird behavior?

>>80448901
No, it's completely normal.

>>80448844
>Me and my family even put on subtitles for movies that are already in English

So you're just retarded?

I thought it was a stereotype that 'cultured' cinema fans prefer watching subtitled foreign films such as Breathless and 8 1/2, which are quite well known.

>>80449012
I think he means he does it for movies which have been dubbed in English and he watches them in the original language.

>>80449039
Yes, this. It can be amusing to see/hear the difference in dialog between the original language and the dub.

>VLC

I don't care what it is I'm watching, if it's not in English I'd much rather have subs than a dub. Even moreso for live action because it's incredibly obvious when it's dubbed. This has been my opinion long before I got into anime. Can't say shit about other Americans, though. I wouldn't be surprised that they are too fucking retarded to handle reading a line of text at the bottom of the screen.

>>80449235
Most Americans don't like to read because it actually requires them to pay attention. I remember I used to refuse to watch subbed anime for the longest time because I thought having to read while watching something was stupid. I'm sure this is the normal way of thinking for most people.

>>80449235
In case you have watched American documents etc, they often dub the voices of foreigner people when they have something to say.

Usually it's also done with terrible accent to sound more "realistic" which just makes you cringe.

>>80449157
>searching for a picture that relates subtitles well to a viewer on Google

>>80449235
The most common argument I hear is that the subtitles distract you from the movie experience, that it's not possible to get the full movie experience if you focus on the text and the moving picture. Somehow many other cultures in the world manage just fine on top of being very fluent in English for some reason.

>>80448609 (OP)
>Why do Americans always bitch about subtitles in movies and cite it as a reason not to see foreign films, yet there are so many weeaboos in the states?

It's almost like different people can have different opinions.

>>80449345
>they often dub the voices of foreigner people when they have something to say.

Jesus Christ I hate this, also some news do this. Fucking awful.
I'm not american and I like to watch documentaries and there are many are only readily available as the American ones with the dub shit going on. I like hearing different languages.

Otherwise I don't give a fuck how people watch their shit.

>>80449345
I did a little vocaroo of just that phenomenon.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1nQ74uqIeTF

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I usually have (at least English) on even for English media. For me, it makes watching much more relaxing since I'm pretty much guaranteed not to miss out on any line of dialogue due to thick accents, getting lost in other noises and so on. But then again, English isn't my native language.

I also always have subtitles on in games for the same reasons.

>>80448774
Up rill 12 years most male people think so, after that it's only murricans.

>>80449594
>I usually have (at least English) subtitles on

How silly of me to forget the key word from that sentence.

I can't hear shit if I don't have subtitles even if it's a language I understand.

>>80449673

Oh fuck I replied to Daiz.

>>80449644
Hey Daiz (you faggot) isn't it time to change your trip to H.265?

>>80449765
Call me back on that when H.265 becomes actually relevant (protip: that's still quite the way off).

>>80449697
>>80449765
>Seriously hating on Daiz
This is what happens when people don't realize what jokes are anymore.

>>80449682
That happens to me all the time, too. I'm pretty sure it's because I watch a fuckton of anime, though.

>Why do Americans always bitch about subtitles in movies and cite it as a reason not to see foreign films
Because they are fucking retards. That's seriously all there is to it. It really might just be an American thing too. Non-English countries are obviously very used to subtitles at this point, and subtitled dramas like Forbrydelsen were extremely successful on BBC4.
>yet there are so many weeaboos in the states?
1. Many weeaboos still watch dubs
2. Weeaboos are still a massive minority
3. More optimistically, with the birth of the internet linking the world together and making information readily accessible, I honestly think that in general this generation is slightly more cultured and intelligent than the last.

>>80449824
I see no hating there.

>>80449824

He's a mongoloid rat that leeches of government while attention whoring in the internet. There's nothing to like.

But weaboos watch dubs.

>>80450111
Not by original term, no.

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>>80450133

I prefer subtitles but at the same time I have problem sitting still sometimes, mainly for TV shows. I also like to have the TV on in the background sometimes when I am on the computer, that doesn't really work with subtitles. Dubs annoy me so I end up watching less foreign material. I guess I am dumb American.

>Hey you watch anime? You don't seem like a weaboo faggot, so what are you watching this season?
>Huh? What do you mean?
>What airing in Japan are you
>No man, I can't watch subtitles!
How fucking retarded do you have to be to not be able to watch subtitles. Unless you're legitimately dyslexic. Which my example is not.

>>80450219
Come to Finland, we have subtitles in both Finnish and Swedish.

>>80450240
I guess you were spoonfed everything in your native language and it's hard to break out when you're dependent.

man so many non americans in here it's not funny

we love subtitles, they even put them on the movies in cinemas, it's so while your eating and shit is crunching in your mouth you can read what they are saying. foreigners pls go.

>>80450330
You also have great dubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxPsucXGkm4

>>80449856
> generation is slightly more cultured and intelligent than the last.
Such optimism. I don't see how normalfag YOLO morons are more intelligent

>>80450330
Do all movie theaters in the country use double subtitles or was my little home town the only one?
Shist sucked major balls.

>>80450404
Thankfully only kids' shows are dubbed over here.

Concerning Digimon, about halfway through the first series dub-company switched to way better one. And last half of 02 was broadcasted in Japanese with subtitles.
...And we didn't get the 4Kids cut version. So that's nice.

>>80449856
>in general this generation is slightly more cultured and intelligent than the last.

I call bullshit on that one. The large vestige of information that the Internet has given us is mostly unused or congested in sites like Wikipedia, plus it has become a possibility to pretty much do what we always wanted to "What is this person thinking about?" Now we know via Twitter and Facebook and boy were we better off without knowing.

>>80450555
I think all movies have to use double subtitles, probably protected by lingual law.

>>80450555
I believe it happens mostly in West Coast, since most of Finn-Swedes live around there.

>>80450382
In Germany it was pretty difficult to get original versions instead of dubs before the advent of DVDs and Internet. Cinematic movies are only occasionally offered in the original version and TV is almost always dubbed. As a kid I watched as much in English as I could, resorting to foreign channels and the like, and now automatically go for original versions with either English or German subs.

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>>80450404

Jesus Christ. Thank god I didn't have channel 4 when I was kid.

>>80450407
I stand by what I said.

- Internet and piracy has made information easier to obtain and for lower/no price. All classic literature, films, music. Even things like university lectures. We are so fucking lucky to have this shit, seriously.
- Everyone's connected. I might be on the other side of the world to you, yet we're speaking to each other with ease. This is really a blessing to more obscure interests like anime and manga
- The cost of travel has never been cheaper. Young people are actually able to go out and experience other cultures for themselves. We take it for granted now but for the common person this was unheard of just a few decades ago. Especially students.

What?

Where are people pulling these new American stereotypes?

Just because everyone isn't thrilled to read Maya Angelou's shit doesn't mean-

No wait, I think I'm being trickstered.

>>80448609 (OP)
>Why do people make sweeping statements to try to justify their prejudices?
Who knows.

>>80451174
No, you're not being "trickstered".

>>80451253
Nothing sweeping about having the only people in the world who I've both met and discussed with that are against subtitles in movies have been from the states. Anecdotal evidence and all that, but I'm not alone.

>>80451284
"I knew a guy" makes for a moderate conversational piece, but still stands as a confounded generalization.

>>80451284
>the only people in the world who I've both met and discussed with
Ah. First absolutes -- "always" -- and anecdotes -- "people I've met".

You're doing an excellent parody of poor logic. However, parody is best left to a place like /b/.

>>80451414
>being this pedantic

No, I think it's a sign of some form of autism.

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Now that I'm home I can post this image of what people like >>80450240's friend (?) apparently think watching anything with subtitles is like.

But on a more serious note, the whole argument of "not being able to watch the actual content because you have to read the subtitles" argument is pretty fucking ridiculous, because reading well-done and well-presented subtitles should be near-instant.

>>80448609 (OP)
I don't mind subtitles, and prefer them to dubs. But watching without subtitles in the original language is probably the best route.

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>>80451535

I prefer dubs when they are hilariously bad

>>80451554
>having this picture handy for quick use

>>80451554
>>>/v/

>>80451535
>You're not making any sense.
>Autism!!
What.

>>80451535
No, he's just handcuffing a shitposter with common sense.

There are nearly 300 million people in the United States. Not all of us are same. I personally am not bothered by subtitles at all, anime or not, but my father thinks differently.

>>80449345
>>80449443
Russia tends to be really bad about this too.

>>80451535
What? I'm not into little kids, thanks.

>>80451627
This. My dad doesn't like reading subtitles either, but that's mostly due to poor eyesight.

>>80450565
>>80450407
It's actually a thing, it's called the Flynn effect. People as a whole are still pretty dumb though.

>>80451624
It's common sense to understand how figures of speech and hyperboles work in opening discussion. It's not like "Why do a very unknown percentage of Americans.." is a preferable subject starter.

i watched movies like Pierret le Fou and a ton of other jean luc godard's stuff before i got into anime so i was fine with subtitles

>>80450240
Even then, dyslexia isn't always an excuse. A good bro of mine is dyslexic and we watch a good many shows together each season, which are obviously subbed.

>>80451674
>It's common sense to base a topic on nonsense and go from there
Your conversations must be... unique. Do some of these conversations actually involve other people?

>>80449012
Actually it can help with understanding what's being said, for example, when a character is whispering softly and it's hard to hear.

Mind you, I don't do this myself, but I know people that at least used to do such a thing, and that was their reason for doing so.

>>80451674
Exaggerating an opinion is neither an excuse nor a hall-pass for /pol/ shitposting.

It's all over /a/ too, anytime someone does something stupid there's guaranteed 1 person to spew "murrican".

>>80451828
I can only imagine the type of fedora-wearing turbonerd you are in real life. So you're a master of formal logic applying your infinite volume of knowledge for the benefaction of everyone on the board? The guy you're talking to is an idiot but christ, read the tone of the conversation and bring it down a mote.

>>80451912
Not an idiot, though.

>>80451887
Indeed. OP needs to learn that adage about community of people pretending to be idiots.

>>80451912
>You should lower your standards of conversation.
No. No, I should not.

>>80451926
Yeah, sorry, you are. You're trying to weasel in your shitty /int/ - /pol/ shit posting on /a/ and it shows heavily. The other guy is right, your logic is heavily flawed, so the only other reason you posted this is because you think it's funny.

>>80451954
So, fuck, you put ellipses in internet conversations for dramatic effect and purposefully avoid contractions? You're cool, graduate from the George Orwell of Political Writing? Fuck off.

Looks like the kids are awake. OP, just delete your thread.

they are two different groups of people OP, stop lumping everyone in a country into one thing.

People who hate subs and complain about them are fucking pleb "murrica" fatasses who need everything dished out to them in bite-size easy to understand pieces.

People who are weaboos and watch subbed anime are usually smarter, and hate everything about society in general, locking themselves away in their room to play video games, watch anime, and masturbate six times a day.

>>80452013
*Orwell School of
Since you're so proper I was afraid you wouldn't- er, would not- understand... what I was... trying... to... say...

>>80451971
Both of us are directing our posts to this guy >>80451284 and his subsequent posts.

Perhaps, you're mistaken?

>>80452093
I just woke up, sorry

>>80452013
No. However, I try not to say things that don't make sense. Maybe you might do the same? Just an idea, don't shoot me down over it.

>>80452048
I love you, please, never change, /a/ needs snobs like you.

No, I'm not being sarcastic: 100% sincere.

How am I supposed to read my cellphone if I have to look at the screen? No I'm not going to put away my cellphone, you loser, I have twats to face.

>>80450605
NOPE

Everywhere, protected by the law. The Finn-swedes are jew-tier obnoxious minority who have disproportionate amount of political power and enjoy ruining everything for the majority.

Living in eastern Finland, close to Russia? Want to teach kids Russian for instant job market advantage and nobody fucking needing swedish there?
LOL NO
SWEDISH ONLY
get in line goyim

>>80452191
Wow what the fuck, my mobile changed anons to snobs,

Well, that's kinda funny in a cosmic sense.

>>80452353

Aren't they thinking of making Russian more available in eastern parts?

Russian would at least be much more fun language to learn that swedish.

>>80449339
Why did not primary education teaching reading 101?

As a chink, I can somewhat relate to this subs vs dubs issue.

It's like watching anything Cantonese dubbed in Mandarin. Although I can't understand a word of Cantonese, hearing that fake and nauseating dubbed Mandarin is just disgusting. Doesn't help that a majority of Mandarin dubbed series are like that.

You can maybe cherry pick a few dubs here and there, and say that the 'original' can be just as bad, but a majority of dubs is just like that. Nauseating shit you can obviously tell there's no effort put in whatsoever.

>>80452556
It's a well known fact that America has a shit tier education system, you should know this.

>>80452578

I called the Chinese FBI on your ass. Enjoy your halved rice for next year.

It's because most of America is autistic and feels uncomfortable reading.

>>80452676
Not like we eat that much anyways. I'll just pick off some more bugs and worms off the ground. Maybe catch some sparrows if I'm lucky.

>>80452760
/pol/ pls

You had your chance in his thread; give it a rest.

>>80448774
only when young & strongly influenced by Murrikan shit

Murrika destroyed my childhood

>>80448774

No, you'd have to live in an ass-backwards country or be at school to think that.

>>80450407
>normalfag YOLO morons

Those are kids, most of them still in college.

I'm American and I have not ever heard anyone other than my hard of sight mother complain about subtitles, and she has a reason for that.

>>80450240
>Hey you watch anime? You don't seem like a weaboo faggot, so what are you watching this season?

>Implying every non-weaboo anime fan thinks there is something worth watching each season.

>thinly veiled subs vs. dubs thread

The whole debate is retarded anyway. It's all case by case, even within a single anime. Take The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya for example; overall it sounds better in Japanese but Tomokazu Sugita ain't got shit on Crispin Freeman. Or NHK, which had a great dub but Yamazaki's girlfriend sounded horrible.

>>80454084
Yeah, people should just learn to use their ears already. I don't even know why people put emphasis on subtitles, being able to read shit doesn't mean it's good.

>>80453519
>be at school
What? I read like mad when I was at school

>>80453649
Well being swedish, we never had a choice for most blockbuster movies anyway. Watching things subbed just comes naturally, my 8 year old little sister does it just fine, no joke. And she doesn't complain about it either, no one does.

Weeaboo(anime fans) generally aren't normal/average people. They are ahead of the curve due to their demand/lust for anime.

You can't pause a subbed foreign film in a movie.

You can with animu you downloaded. Weeaboos also want to be like japanese otaku.

>>80454490
Considering how many entitled faggots there are in the US and how they demand everything to be handed to them on a silver plate, it makes sense.

>>80454490
Being weeaboo doesn't necessarily mean you're that into anime you know. It's not synonymous for being an anime fan.

>>80448844
>We've also watched several foreign movies with subtitles with no problem
lifetime achievement, put this in your CV

>>80452600
>It's a well known fact that America has a shit tier education system, you should know this.
in every country in the world people complain about their educational system

>>80457057
There are facts you know. America isn't the worst, but it's pretty low as far as first world countries go. Even greece has better education than america, and they can't speak english for shit.

>>80457287
>english
>automatically good education

>>80457335
Being bilingual is indeed good education.

>>80448609 (OP)
I find it hard to read the text and watch it at the same time.
the actors voices get mixed up with the imaginary ones I created for them and i finish the line too quick so I there is a long delay until the next person says anything.

It takes getting used to. I know that when I first started watching subbed anime with Japanese voices when I was like 13-14 or something I hated it. The voices just felt so wrong to me. Wasn't until I forced myself to watch through a whole show subbed (due to not being able to find it dubbed on Kazaa) that it started to feel natural.

>>80457389
That's like saying mexican workers have a good education.

>>80457583
Better than greek people. A lot of mexicans don't know english though. Do you not realize how shitty greece is ?

>>80457583
>mexican workers
>bilingual
Hell no. Pretty much every one I've talked to knew a few key words and phrases related to their job but not a hell of a lot else. Even the ones who'd been in the country for like 20 years.

Well, there are a few exceptions, but as a whole most of them can't be bothered to learn a new language when it's not really expected of them anyway.

This isn't really an american thing.
There's people that hate to read and people that hate hearing stuff in a language that makes them feel uncomfortable everywhere.

Just like there's people that prefer to watch works in their purest form possible.
And it ain't an anime only thing, other circles like movie fans also prefer stuff without dubbing.

Though America is still more based towards dubbing than other parts of the world, that is true. But there are more extreme places like Spain.
Did you know that in Spain they often dub foreign shows in spanish locally so they are in the local accent?

>>80457758
Everyone is bilingual when it comes to money.

>>80457789
Don't the Americans do that for British shows?

>>80457789
>american damage control

>>80457567
I actually went from Eva dubbed on TV to Eva subbed on computer and preferred the voices, especially Gendo. I remember thinking that the dubbed voice made him sound like sort of a wuss, where-as the japanese one made him sound powerful.
Not sure if I'd share the same opinion now, if I re-watched it dubbed; but that's how that went.

I do share your sentiment when it comes to Ranma. I downloaded it dubbed off of limewire, and when I watched some of it subbed on my in-law's computer it felt stupid. The voices and the wording of the subs seemed just- wrong in comparison to the dubbed version. Though when I started re-watching it a few years ago subbed, it felt more natural.

I'm quite sure it's just a case of familiarizing yourself with one method(dub or sub), or set of voice actors, and so other methods or voices feel wrong and alien; but once you break yourself of that familiarization you're able to give a less biased view on it

>>80457814
I don't think you actually understand what bilingual means. You taking two years of french in highschool and remembering how to introduce yourself does not make you bilingual.

>>80457867
Knowing enough of the language to communicate others can be considered bilingual. You do not need a masters in language and study ancient literature to be considered bilingual.

>>80457983
So I am bilingual in Japanese because I know shit like kawaii and baka and hazukashii?

>>80458063
I don't think you can communicate by knowing three words

>>80458104
I can communicate some things.

>>80458063
If you can manage to go to Japan, and communicate with the Japanese there with those 3 words somehow and survive, I would consider you bilingual.

>>80458104
sure he can, he can commune that something is cute, that you're an idiot and that something is embarassing.

>Watch English language movie
>Used English subtitle

Am i the only one who did this?

>>80458138
So you consider the mexicans that don't know a word of english and still survive and communicate in america bilingual as well? or the ones that know a whopping 10 words?


Being bilingual means that you're proficient in two languages, fluently so. "enough to communicate" is NOT being bilingual.


http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bilingual

>>80458265

Yep. They slowly learn the simple parts of the language as they stay longer, and become more fluent at it even with their 10 words.

Dubs are for children who can't read. Original audio for the authentic experience.

>>80458444
Then they are not initially bilingual you moron. How is it hard to comprehend when I even gave you the definition of the word?

>>80458243
It's a good choice when you are good enough in English to read but still have trouble listening to it. Particularly when dealing with various accents and dialects.

>>80458590
I can't read because I prefer the dub of Baccano to the sub? Nigga, are you retarded?

>>80458591
They can be considered bilingual, because they can still fluent speak with their English counterparts.

>>80458788
Supporting dubs is pointless, there will always be a market for it but its ultimately in vain.

/a/ - bilingual illegal immigrants

>>80454084
>Tomokazu Sugita ain't got shit on Crispin Freeman
Wot

>>80459065
sup weaboo

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>>80459141
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>>80458900
I'm not quite following you logic here. If I watch a dub it's because it's good, not because I want support Funi or Viz

>>80459304
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>>80459367
>tumblr

>>80458841
>They can be considered bilingual
No, they really can't. They can become bilingual at some point, but they are not bilingual until they know the language well enough.

>>80459493
Look at your own definition.

I agree they aren't bilingual at first, but do become so. When you are forced to speak another language everyday, you eventually become fluent enough at it.

>>80459686
>When you are forced to speak another language everyday, you eventually become fluent enough at it.
>>80459493
>They can become bilingual at some point, but they are not bilingual until they know the language well enough.

>>80448609 (OP)
>yet there are so many weeaboos in the states
Did I miss something?

>>80459686
>I agree they aren't bilingual at first, but do become so.

>>80459711

It's really not as common as people ITT make it out to be. If someone takes the stance of "Why would you watch it in Japanese when there's a perfectly good English dub?", they're generally not going to be the smartest people that you've ever known.

>HURRR DURRR SO MURRICANS IN GENERAL MIRITE

You know, if you need proof that idiots are an international problem, you needn't look any further than this website.