I mean SOL anime, not action stuff.

>>79367342 (OP)
>japanese people
Nothing. Watch Japanese films.

>>79367342 (OP)
Implying kids and teens (The main demographic...) wanna read/watch boring shit like that

>Jesus fucking Christ
Now there's an idea, Jesus Christ in high school

>>79367508
> implying kids and teens want MORE of school
Come on man, step it up a little.

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If you loved Hachikuro, peep Nodame Cantabile, Moyashimon, Ai Yori Aoshi, and Tatami Galaxy

If you want an anime about working, and not in a WORKING!! kind of way, peep Hataraki Man and Usagi Drop

They are some of the few post highschool anime out there, so see them.

And if you liked Hachikuro, you are my friend, so i'll drink to you

Unfulfilled High School lives?
I sure as hell have my regrets from back then.
The worst part is that my biggest insecurity back then is more than covered now, yet now I'm stuck in corporate hell.
I'm so sick and tired of excel that you have no idea

>cute 13 year old girl lawyers doing cute things

>>79367616
Dude, thanks a lot but fuck you. Now people think I was making a stealth rec thread.

I'm just trying to say that I'm tired of the high school setting.
BTW Tatami Galaxy was goddamn fantastic. Probably my favorite anime of all time, or second one after GTO.

>>79367342 (OP)
>It tells the story of a young Japanese woman who finances her studies through prostitution.
This film competed for the Palme d'Or in 2012. Is this mature enough for you?

It's called appealing to your target audience who are either in high school or supposedly nostalgic about it.

Well OP obviously want Goodnight punpun, since he wants to grow up.

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>>79367616
>Ai Yori Aoshi
That has almost nothing to do with college. Just like Love Hina. In fact, AYA is pretty much a weak LH.

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>>79367558
say what?

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>>79367723
Dude, I return the Fuck to you, because nobody thought of that

We're a minority in this side of anime town, so you better learn to deal with it.
There are lots of anime out there beyond the confines of high school that evokes bigger emotions simillar to that of anime set in university or the workplace, so go look for them.

>>79367803
Just satisfying the criteria
The thing is, college isn't supposed to be a place where one can fuck about. The sort of drama you can pick from these shows are the darker coming of age, to self ineptitude and acceptance ones.

On retrospect, AYA is pretty much fanatasy college when you think about it

>>79367904
>We're a minority
In what, liking anime with older characters?

>>79367707
Fund it.

>>79367342 (OP)
>It's like the fucking authors never grew up and advanced from that period.
Just like the target audience, so it perfectly fits.

>>79367558
Seinto Oniisan
Jesus and Buddha share an apartment.

>>79367508
>>79367592
The primary target demographic of the shows we watch aren't kids and teens but adult otaku who never had an enjoyable school life, so they relive it through anime.

>>79367342 (OP)
>I'd love to see good anime about lawyers or something like that.
Lawyers are the worst kind of people. I am not sure if they even count as people.

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>>79367974
Yes
Along with the people who like anime with characters who somehow mimic the elements of real life in order to provide a setting that blends the fantastic offerings of fiction, to that of dreary and boring real life.

Sad to say, yes

Despite how it may seem, anime is still seen by the lot of the world as a "for kids" thing, it's the common prejudice against animation in general.

That's the reason the sort of anime we like seem rare, if not, diluted with elements that seem attractive to younger and more innocent not really viewers.
It's also the reason why we should treasure them more.

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>>79367342 (OP)
It's all about money and knowing your audience.

Otaku (Japanese), Rarely go to college and if they do, they don't feel as if they are noticed or fit in . A show about college life would not appeal to an Otaku.
Most likely an Otaku's last moments of a happy life was in high school, so most anime is based around high school, shit they can relate to. If they can relate to it, they will watch more of it and buy shit that is related to it.

Other reasons most anime stray from realistic settings is that it's intended to be a form of escapism. Japs work all their life doing boring shit, why be reminded of that when you are watching a cartoon?

It helps the average Jap escape from reality after a long day of work.
It gives the Otaku something to realate to and spend money on.

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>>79368197
>Most likely an Otaku's last moments of a happy life was in high school
And even by then there's no guarantee

You can really see how much they have half of the industry by the balls

Then again, they pay for it, and they deserve to be catered to, that's the way the world works....

I know what you're saying dude. Some of my favorites are without high school idiots
Ristorante Paradiso
Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service
Detroit Metal City
Bartender
Planetes
Welcome to the NHK

Eh, they might not really count as slice of life, but still ...

Hen Zemi

>>79368197
I'm not saying that we should get away from the escapism. I just want Cromartie High School with construction workers or military pilots.

>>79367558

Read Young Saints (IIRC). It's a manga about Buddha and Jesus Christ, who decide to go down to earth and experience life as young adults.

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I think a lot of people misuderstand this thing. a big reason as to why they write about their high school lives is because to write something good you either need to write what you know or invent something new, like a fantasy world.

the people who make manga have that as their job, and probably havent experienced many other areas of work. if someone who has never worked as a fisherman tried to make a manga about working as one, it would be full of inaccuracies and he wouldn't have any real life experiences to draw inspiration from. the result would probably be very unappealing to anyone who knows anything about fishing.

its kind of like when you see someone in an anime reload a revolver with a magazine.

>>79368500
But there are movies and tv shows about other things, you know? and they're written by professional scenarists as well.

Point is, the mangaka should get his ass up and do some research.

>>79367781
Everybody wants more Punpun.

gotta get dat target audience, breh

>>79368500
So, mangaka are just lazy, talentless hacks who write shit for uneducated fanbase? Okay.

>>79368558
>put effort into researching something unique
>maybe make some money
>put no effort in and make moe high school comedy
>become rich

The choice is yours.

>>79368500

Common problem with fiction in general. Can't remember how many times i saw people shooting 15+ rounds out of a 6-shot revolver without ever reloading.

Highschool Anime is a trope of Anime... It isn't going away any time soon, but we have a lot of anime that's not Highschoolish.

Just continue reading Seinen manga and forget about Shoujo/Shounen altogether, and wait for the good adaptations to be made.

there's really no other way.

And how can we complain? The japs don't even get money from us, we get free animu from fansubbers and their lawyers can't touch us.

So much cancer.

>>79368197
I've never been a nurse or a lawyer, but I enjoy watching medical and court dramas, and I treat them as escapism since they have nothing to do with my life. The characters have universal problems, so I don't need to self-insert in order to relate to them either.

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>>79368197
Ehm, considering that it is highly against japanese norms for someone to be otaku yet it's someone expected for children and teenagers to watch anime. The age group they're appealing to is the age group that is represented in the anime for the most part. You just fail akum's razor.

>>79368673
I'd rather become a true artists and create a masterpiece. Even if no one buys it.

>>79368197
You know >>79368408 has a point here, I mean the idea of escapism shouldn't be just limited to high school, because despite its glamour most people know its a bunch of shit inside. Plus I've always though about how a japanese version of The Office mixed with Team Fortress 2 mentality and Gintama-esque insanity might work out.

>>79367904
> The thing is, college isn't supposed to be a place where one can fuck about. The sort of drama you can pick from these shows are the darker coming of age, to self ineptitude and acceptance ones.

Actually, college could indeed make for interesting drama. Looks all bright and SOL on the outside, everyone doing whatever they want. But really, it's a coming of age story that asks "What am I?" and outdoes other "philosophical" anime like Evangelion in answering this.

I'd watch numerous anime like that. Though, of course, being in university and having had identity crises of my own, that's taken for granted.

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The "Highschool ALL THE THINGS" style of making 99% of anime/manga was what in the end caused me top stop reading/watchin.

That and all the loli/moe shit.

I haven't watched any anime in 3 years or so. I still read some manga from time to time at work out of pure boredom.

So we are in the same boat OP and to you I say, MOVE ON. Find a more mature medium like film or books and stop watching these chinese cartoons. The very little depth they might have is wasted on someone older than 20.

It's a harsh truth.

>>79368558
>But there are movies and tv shows about other things, you know?

yes, and they are úsually very incorrect about the subject matter. policework really isn't what CSI makes it look like. what's worse is that manga is written by a single person (as far as i know), whereas in tv-shows they usually have multiple doing it. when something is written by people with real experience of the subject, stuff like the wire is what happens.

yes, they should get up and do some research but writing a high school thing is easier and people can relate to it as well.

>>79368771
true artist or not you gotta eat and besides that you need someone to support your creation and invest money, they don't invest unless they think they can make a profit.

>>79368771
"You" would, or would you just rather someone else would while you reap the fruits of their labor? It's easy to force expectations onto others you can't uphold yourself. Let me know when you've done anything more than talk about it.

>>79368850
>implying film is superior media a priori

>>79368764
Gonna call bullshit on that one. One Piece is designed for the shonen audience but it has a large following on the 25-35 demographic in Japan. Merely because an art form is generally associated with one specific medium doesn't mean it should be limited and repeated as such. Its part of the reason for the stagnation of current Japanese animation.

>>79368500
That isn't true at all. You don't need experience to write a good manga about something. You need research. If the proper work and thought is put into it, even someone who's never seen a day on a boat can write a good story about fishing. It'd take a lot more effort, but it's nowhere near impossible.

>>79368197
>Other reasons most anime stray from realistic settings is that it's intended to be a form of escapism. Japs work all their life doing boring shit, why be reminded of that when you are watching a cartoon?
You don't have to be japanese to be this way. I'm university graduate, working for 2 years now. I watch more and more 'fun things are fun' shows I considered boring and useless back in a day.

>>79368850
Nah nigga just because the eliteist assholes who dominate this board fill it up with moeshit doesn't mean it should discourage you just gotta branch out more and look deeper for the good stuff.

>>79368939
no, you don't NEED it, but it certainly makes it a lot easier. you don't NEED legs to climb a set of stairs but doing so without a pair takes a lot more work.

>>79368899

It's not. I never said that. I said it was "more mature" you illiterate. As in OLDER.

Any medium, no matter what it is, in in 99% shit. There is only that one percent that is actually truly good. The thing is with Anime which is pretty young you might have only 20? 30 years of picking out some of the best titles. In anime that's not that many.

In film(or any other older medium) you have quite the collection of REALLY good films to pick from purely because you have a much larger reservoir of the best movies of past years.

So all in all, most of what humans create is shit. Deal with it.

Why not highschool? Its the only time in our life thats actually interesting and funny and quirky. Who would want to watch anime about old people? There is no excitement in old people, no sense of action and certainly no uniqueness. School period is when students are learning about the world so naturally they will not behave like the drones of the society

>>79368850
i started with anime and manga at 20 because i discovered eva and berserk, but i enjoy highschool SoL the most. its relaxing

>>79369018
>There is no excitement in old people
Bullshit. Just make more fantasy, historical anime. You know, something more interesting than harem shit or cute girls doing cute things in school.

>>79368990

I've watched anime with passion of what... 10 years? I think? Since I was 10 or so. Ive watched hundreds of series. From those hundreds I might be able to list maybe 20 that are truly worth heir salt in my humble eyes.

Sure I could dig deep and probably find something good AND new but it is much easier to find a good old movie or a good old book.

I feel like I've seen all or almost all of the good anime from the past years and coming back to anime might make sense in 30 years. Then I'll get the best titles from the past years and probably once again discover some real gems.

For now I'll stick to movies and books.

>>79368821
While >>79368408 has point, it's as >>79368677 has said : "Highschool Anime is a trope of Anime... It isn't going away any time soon"

>>79368764
Do you even Japan?
While Otaku are looked down on by their peers, the anime industry mostly caters to them because these Otaku are the main ones pumping money into their wallets.
the kiddy shows are Shonen tier. SOL and Harem are Otaku tier.

>>79369017
>Any medium, no matter what it is, in in 99% shit.

People still spout this bullshit that is based on nothing but made-up numbers?

>>79369084
You should go back to /co/ with your shitty batman/superhero shit.

>>79369071

Fair enough, but if you stick at it you will sooner or later realize that you've exhausted the available pools of really god series.

Not because anime in general is shit but purely because anime is a young medium and doesn't have that many gems available yet.

>>79369111
It's sturgeon's law, a Rule of thumb.

90% of everything, is shit.

If you believe more than 90% of everything is shit, you should lower your standards.

If you believe less than 90% of everything is shit, you should raise your standards.

In other words, Your taste is shit

>>79369018
>Interesting, funny, and quirky
Evidently you've been viewing it with the shit blinders, get the goggles off and see it for the dark side. Also you're too young if you say that, high school is the best. Honestly the greatest times I've had and the craziest shit I've done occured in college for me.

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Japan has a major hard on for nostalgia and isn't afraid to admit that their school days were the best days of their lives.

>>79369018
Tbh high school isn't really that interesting compared to collage, for instance, when you have everything from high school only many times more intense or when you have to adjust to having to work everyday for the rest of your life, having a kid, wife struggle with money etc etc... high school is just the first step in life.

>>79369111

Well, the 99% is obviously out of my ass but can you tell me why exactly is that wrong?

Most movies made this year are not worth watching. Would you not agree with this? Either because they didn't have big enough budged, they didn't have good actors or good enough script to begin with. Maybe the director was not experienced enough? Many things make up the end result, but I would with a certain degree of certainty that about 99% of any medium is just bad.

>>79369176
>It's sturgeon's law, a Rule of thumb.

A law based that is based on what again? Bullshit? If you really think 99% of any medium shit, its you who has shit taste.

>>79369191
At least we don't have to enter the workforce the moment after high school and sign our souls off to the company.

>>79369209
I barely watch any movies, so I don't see how I could relate regarding movies.

But i'm acteally looking for a good argument as to why 99% of manga and anime is bad.

>>79369220

So far all you did is saying "you are wrong".

But why? Pick 100 songs at random from last.fm or whatever ans listen to them. I bet 90% of them will be just bad.

>>79369220
this is really sad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

>>79369203
>>79369189
From my own personal experience neither of them are crazy/good/interesting. But having seen many real life examples, highschool-middleschool seems like a good period for interesting things.

Do we really need to have this thread almost every day?

>>79369273
You haven't proven it be right, so how can I proof it wrong?

And picking 100 songs at random won't work, the number is way to low.

Anime is a relatively small medium compared to film. It's logical that there is more good films than good anime. Hovewer I do feel like anime could be much more. It lacks true artists, people who want to tell a story or evoke emotions in the audience.
Most anime nowadays are cheap LN's adaptations, harems and so on.

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Proving it isn't the point, you clearly have no idea what I said in >>79369176.

>>79369283
And?

Can you acteally tell me if the law is based on facts? Because if its not, then why use it like its a fact?

At the end of Honey & Clover, Yuta ends up forever alone right except for his art right

most Otaku had a shitty HS life and anime gives them a idealized one.

>>79368649
Looking at new and popular releases, I'd definitely think so. Especially most of the stuff that gets animated fits this saddening category. (Not that I could ever do any better, but still ...)

>>79369354
Then stop stating it like it is a fact, and take your shitty taste out of here.

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>>79369422

>>79369422
You're not very good at this debate game.

>>79369343

Exactly.

A dare anyone on /a/ to show me a production like Cowboy Bebop, Vision of Escaflowne, Crest of the Stars or Records of the Lodoss War that was made in the last... lets say 3 years.

Or something like Witch Hunter Robin, Hellsing or Master Keaton or Monster.

>>79369343
>anime is not art
Keep telling yourself faggot.

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It's a combination of:
1) High school and middle school is largely the target demographic if you want to catch the normalfag crowd.
2) High school is more innocent and lively than dull, dreary adult life in Japan. Once you hit college, you're expected to be an adult and being an adult is not fucking fun in Japan, fucking gaijin faggot.

They like teenage girls.

Teenage girls go to school.

Not rocket science.

>>79369220
It's a widely accepted belief dating back to 1958 starting with critiquing Science Fiction, started by Theodore Sturgeon.

>>79369296
Better than half the other threads we have every day on this board.

>>>/toonami/

HS setting is one of the easiest setting to use.

It's easy to write about.
Everybody can relate to it.
It allows for harem situations thanks to clubs, and you can focus on a small group of characters without problems.
It allows you to remove all the adult characters you don't need without too much explanation.
The characters are old enough but not too much so they can still be pure.

I'm with you OP. If I see any of the following in an anime's description I won't watch it: high school, slice of life, shoujo

>>79369468
I never said that.

>>79369343
>nowadays
And before that it was commercials for manga and toy lines.

Anime is, and will always be, commercials.

>>79369459
We don't get media that has a lot of consideration for western consumption (apart from Gundam) in these troubled times, so don't expect it anytime soon.

At best, it could be Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, which was well done

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>>79368333
mah nigga

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>>79369583
I like to think Hen Zemi is what happens to all the highschool SoL girls when they hit college.
K-ON bitches go to college, get molested constantly.

>>79369459
Katanagatari
Madoka
Kaiji
Hyouka


>>79369553
>anime lacks true artist
>artists make art
>anime lacks true art
fuck off

Generalize the audience and target demographics, and you're winging it for the sake of cultural prejudice.
None of us here know shit about the industry, aside from what a few individuals parrot. It's easy to tell from what you guys are saying that you have no experience in marketing.


That said, anime is expensive and it is a commodity. Most of the sales are from individuals who have a job and are semi-competent human beings. I would guess a lot of them are like we here on /a/ are, except they pay for what they want to support.

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>>79369459
Redline
Boku no Pico

Do you know why Highschool is such a popular time?

Because it's the last time in your life in which you are truly equal to your peers.

None of you have jobs, none of you have your own houses, none of you are really independent... The only distinguishing factor is how pretty one is, how many shiny new toys his parents are giving him, how are your grades...

Nothing compared to what comes next. In College you are already expected to do much more, people often get their first jobs fresh out of highschool, many move out of their parents and start living on their own, human relations start to become much more polarized.

On highschool, none of it matters. Look at how many "popular" guys at highschool end up getting shitty jobs, shitty houses, shitty wifes, and shitty kids. The only thing they have to look back to is those magical days at Highschool where they were popular, society didn't pressure them into oblivion.

Highschool is a popular theme because it's coming of age, because at some level, you're an adult, and in some, you're not, and for those maladjusted young adults who didn't really come to terms with adult life yet, the idea of the highschool life resonates with them.

>>79369459
>>79369459
>Or something like Hellsing
Hellsing Ultimate

>>79369669
I'm not gonna lie, but compared to the amount of work put into the shows he mentioned, these are short.

Not to mention, Japan and Japanisms-centric, so i don't think it'll satisfy him

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>>79368558
And they're very often badly researched too. It's just that a western uneducated audience doesn't care about it, because they're normalfags with no passion for facts and details like us nerds.

In fact, mangaka often put a lot more effort into their research than western comic artists or writers.

I mean - just look how many western comic artists depict guns wrongly. Even in the US where they could simply get their hands on them. Now compare that to Upotte!! or something, written by some Japanese guy who never fired a gun in his whole life, yet does a much more accurate portrayal.

>>79369566
Oh, but not always. What about GitS, Lain, Mushishi, Haibane Renmei, Aria, Tatami Galaxy and so on.
I like mainstream anime too. Madoka and Steins;Gate were very enjoyable/good, but in the last two years there was nothing even on the same level, let alone more artistic stuff.
I would like more original anime with less cliche plot, older characters and interesting setting.

>>79369702

What gay shit is this?

>>79369745
So you want anime tailored to american/western culture? Hire the Japanese company more and maybe they will make on. They've already done Halo and other small shits for western market.

A college anime would involve sluts though.

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>>79369733
It's same shit over and over again but this is the best argument.

>>79369733
Highschool is a popular theme because adolescence fucks everyone's brains up resulting in more, and more vivid, memories from the period.

>>79369872

Are you implying there are no sluts in highschool?

If anything, there are MORE sluts in highschool, all dat hormone

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>>79369745
Redline should.
7 YEARS HAND DRAWN!

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>>79369702
>Redline

That looks really promising, thanks a bunch.

>>79369669

>Katanagatari
Is that that self-insert fantasy about having a vampire/monster harem?
>Madoka
I somethimes see threads here about it, isn't that set in High School?
>Kaiji
Watched it. Loved it. Absolute mastepiece.
>Hyouka
Don't know what that is but looks VERY highschool-y.

>>79368649
Actually, this isn't too far off the mark. I remember Ikuhara saying recently he was talking to a semi-famous directer or script writer who was drafting up a original project, and he asked what novels they'd read recently. They hadn't read any. As in they didn't read. At all. I also recall Urobutcher saying he doesn't read real novels, just got into the medium for the big tits and explosions.

Ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. Not saying that applies to everyone of course. But you can hardly imagine someone like the writer of fucking Prunus Girl or Hagani devouring classics.

>>79369834
Wait 3-5 years and see what kids gonna be mentioning. We have anime tailored to our times.

>>79369745
Hyouka has clearly more effort put into it production wise than any of those except maybe Bebop.

Hell, the worst of those is better than fucking Hellsing TV. I have no idea what went through his head when he mentioned it.

>>79369209
>Most movies made this year are not worth watching. Would you not agree with this?
What the fuck are you talking about? The last 2 or 3 years were some of the best in movies for a long time.
Every movie from the nominated list of the Oscars is good. Same with the lists from Cannes or Bafta
Even action sci-fi bullshit that I don't usually enjoy was pretty good this year.

>>79369745
>>79369745
>these are short.
Uh?
Bebop is 26 episodes, lodoss war is 13 ova, escaflowne is 26 as well, crest of the stars is 13 episodes as well, so they are short as well.

>japan and japan-centrism
Redline.
And this isn't even a complain, it's his subjective taste if he doesn't like stuff like that.

>>79369832
Oh, anime is great for pointless trivia. Everything else usually sucks: cinematography, music, animation, characters, plot, pace, editing...

>>79369909
What i mean is they'd all be used goods at that point.

>>79369943
>Don't know what that is but looks VERY highschool-y.

It is very high school-y. School clubs, culture fair arc and everything.

>>79369943
1/10.

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>>79369459
Psycho-Pass
Kaiji
Jormungand
Jormungand Season 2
Lupin the Third
Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom
Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin
Uchuu Kyoudai
Zetman

There's your mature anime for mature people rec list, now go back to /v/ you faggot

>>79369943
So you don't know three of the most popular recent animu and you feel fit to comment?

Ok.

And you are thinking of rosario+vampire

>>79369943
Sabayon users confirmed for retard

>>79369975

>Hellsing
Gritty, mostly european lore/locations/characters
not high school at all
no moe girls doing more things
AWESOME and BADASS music
gore and blood

I wasn't talking ONLY about quality of production. Also about the content.

>>79369834
>not always
Wow, 3 titles out of how many?
Aria was also made to sell, between cds, manga and merchandise, GitS is a fucking franchise with vidya.

>>79369459
Why do people here always glorify Lodoss anyway? It was terrible.

>>79369943
>Is that that self-insert fantasy about having a vampire/monster harem?

You're thinking about Bake, whose lead isn't a self-insert despite what /a/ have lead you to believe.

Katanagatari is the one series of his people can universally say is his best. He's able to bring forth emotions and purpose of living from someone who was born and raised as literally being nothing but a tool.

Hyouka is lovely, better than you'd think with some of the strongest characters in a series that aired last year (seriously), but I don't think you'd like it.

Also jesus christ, how have you not seen fucking Madoka? That's like not seeing Haruhi at this point.

>>79369985

A lot of anime isn't japan-centric at all. Black Lagoon has the main character as a Japanese blue collar who doesn't really get to do much of anything and instead gets his ass saved by a chinese-american badass chick.

If anything, it's anti-japanese.

>>79369981

And that is out of how many movies that actually got made that year?

Highschool is the only time Japanese people are happy. They think high school is the height of their life. After high school it's get a job, get married, and spend the rest of your life as a salaryman slaving away for long hours while your wife NTRs the fuck out of you.

I sorta understand how they feel.
I'm in my mid-20, and despite a lot of shit happened back when I was in highschool, it was still the best time of my life.
If I can have a choice, I wish I were in highschool once more.

>>79370070
The content of Hellsing TV is utter shit.

It's like mentioning fucking Btoom. It has bombs, desolated island, boobs and explosions, but it's still shit.

>>79370070
>AWESOME and BADASS music
>gore and blood

I'm sorry but, how old are you?

>>79370044
But Kaiji, Rainbow, and Space Bros are actually good, fuck you.

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>>79369943
This is why I hate /v/, you are so ignorant yet talk about it.

>>79370154
Are you retarded?

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>>79369842
Not me, him, and his criteria for the question
I'm fine with what ever

>>79369915
TAKING ON SEVEN YEARS THY HOLY GHOST HAS LEFT ALONE

>>79369975
Production on a technical level, yes. Kyo Ani is brilliant at that
But on a level of material integrated into the thing? Not so much
It's a mystery, the universe and overall scope is small, otherwise it would be fucked up

>>79369985
it's not about the lenght, you took it literally
It's about the amount of research put into the production to make the world, it's the scale.

His examples had epic scales, something that takes time, and time is something newer productions can't really spare

I mean, look at K, clipped to death because of Time

>>79370087
>A lot of anime isn't japan-centric at all
You mentioned 1 example, we have had how many hundreds of anime since they made black lagoon?

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>>79369842
Toonami hired them to do IGPX.
Best Animu of the year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTDg08gMV2Q

Wish CN Had half the dick it use to have.

genshiken?

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>>79370070
>implying Victoria isn't moe as fuck

>>79370081
Because of the OP.
KAAAAZE YOOOOOO

>>79370155
Most of them are like that.
I remember stumbling over one of their anime threads.

Absolute shitfest of ignorance and pretentiousness.

>>79367904
AYA had an awesome start with them running away and starting to live together. but then they added the bullshit about living on that big house and the haremshit that it got stale

If i were to rewrite it I would keep then living on that small appartment while the MC works to support both of them, change it to Romance-Sol and we get a bestseller.

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>>79370070
>>79369943
I'm not sure what sabayon is but you can't be from here.
lurk moar

>>79370081
Nostalgia goggles.
Also, the music was indeed god-tier.

>>79367342 (OP)
>japanese people
I believe you meant elevens.

>>79370180
No. Perhaps you are, though.

Putting them in a troll list and saying that MATURE ANIME FOR MATURE PEOPLE etc spiel.

>ITT university students being jealous there aren't many anime taking place at uni.
Stop bitching and grow up.

>>79369909
Anime is not real life though. Nobody wants anime to be like real life. You can have as many pure girls as you want, and in high school it's believable. The purity aspect simply becomes less believable as girls get older. Also, everyone could envision himself getting involved in a romance with a girl in high school since pretty much everyone went to high school, at least for a while (even the hikkis). With a different setting it becomes harder to identify and it becomes harder to write pure girls into the plot.

>>79370085
I liked Katanagatari, but from what I heard, it's a rushed work by the author?

>>79370224
>>79370247
That's understandable i guess, i watched it for the first time so i don't really have any way to nostalgia over it.
That fucking unanimated dragon pissed me off.

>>79370065

What?

>>79370085

I haven't watched Haruhi.

>>79370155

I have never browsed /v/. There is only one game I play and I do it only at work.

>>79370229
Meh, it's like that on most boards.
To be fair I wouldn't be surprised if /a/ was the same though.

>>79370186
>It's a mystery
It's a character drama driven by mystery.

These characters have more effort put into the emotions visually and writing wise than any shit in there except Bebop (And maybe Crest of the Stars).

Of course whether the school storyline gets to you or not is another matter.

I hope you people keep reporting this shit, not like we have janitors to actually delete stuff, but still.

>>79370310
>for the first time last year*

>>79370279
If you were paying attention, you would know that the insults were directed at the retard starting a rec thread, not the shows themselves.

>>79368333
Koe de oshigoto

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>>79370044
>Zetman
>Mature anime

>>79370193

Hell, even One Piece isn't Japan centric. The Samurai there are actually depicted as hailing from a backwater country.

A lot of Anime isn't set on Japan, and even some that ARE set on Japan don't really focus on Japanese culture.

Monster is set on Germany. The protagonist itself is Japanese, but every other character is not, and his nationality doesn't really matter much.

Berserk focuses on an european medieval setting, around the time of the War of Roses.

Fullmetal Alchemist also chooses to use a setting resembling Europe, not Japan.

Spice and Wolf also chooses an European setting.

Shall i go on? Many Anime aren't japan-centric, it's just that every highschool one usually is, and these are mass produced.

>>79370310
Back in the day anime was super rare, and having something to watch is already considered luxurious.
A lot of people grew up with Lodoss, so there you have it.

>>79370085
>Katanagatari is the one series of his people can universally say is his best.
Not only is Bakemonogatari more popular, the one work everyone always mentions as far as his original medium goes is Zaregoto.

Katanagatari was never accepted like that, either popularity-wise or quality-wise.

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> high school is the best moment from a person's life
> the most exciting and interesting part
> this is what other people experienced in high school

>>79370318
/a/ doesn't have that distinctive cultural bias and prejudice you see here.

>>79370434
I never got into anime at a young age because everything on TV was just Pokemon Digimon and Sailor Moon.
I'm kinda jelly.

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>>79370323
In my opinion, character, and character driven mysteries don't take as much effort as plots driven by the influence of the world, as you can make eccentric characters and qualify them, but not so much for an eccentric world without research

That's why even if Hyouka was well thought out in its own specialization of being emotional, i still find stuff like Bebop, and Escaflowne having done more work

>>79370459
Except when people try passing generalizations on all cartoons, comics, western movies, and television while maintaining they're not as bad as westaboos.

>>79370297

But there are pure girls in real life, too. Even in College, they're just that much more rare, and usually due to some fucked up reason, but i digress...

Otaku culture idealizes women too much. I think that's in part due to their inability to relate to them, so they elevate those women to such ideals as to make them unreachable, making it somewhat better for them. It's not like they can't get normal women... They just don't want to, and their goddesses are completely out of their reach.

But in that fantasy setting that is this idealization of women, how much more unrealistic would it be for the girls that were pure in highschool to remain pure? The whole idea is to be a virgin until they get married, right?

>>79370436
Just because something is more popular doesn't mean it's better, you know?

>>79370494
That's fair enough. But that just puts most shows on a half decent fantasy or Sci Fi setting (Because let's be honest, the world building on both those shows was generic and never really developed that well, even if not bad) on the same bag.

>>79370555
Very unrealistic.
These days you'd be lucky find a girl older than 13 who is a virgin.

>>79370229
>Absolute shitfest of ignorance and pretentiousness.
This.

This is the most ridiculous thing about it. They complain about this vague idea they have about "contemporary anime", while having practically absolutely no knowledge about what has been airing.

Hell, half of them haven't even watched anything but a handful of shows which aired English dubbed on American TV as well as a few more high profile anime like Akira or Ghost in the Shell which then somehow become representative of "past anime".

It's like someone who has watched The Godfather and Citizen Kane now proclaiming himself a connoisseur of film, cursing "contemporary film" for its lack of class due to his bad experiences with Michael Bay directed.

>>79370523
Discussion about it is pretty limited to off-topic threads. See, this board is actually moderated. We don't go off-tangent at all most of the time.

And let's be real here, there's not a lot of selection when it comes to cartoons, which is what's almost always references. You'd be surprised how many here have normalfag tastes when it comes to everything else.

>>79370648
Stereotypes.

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>mfw I hate my highschool so much and I can't relate to this thread
>My "HS" nostalgia was my college
>Contrary to popular belief college is more fun than HS
>I stopped for a while and allowed myself to be a kid again. Tried to enjoy stuffs. Soul searching. Riding a bike to see how far I can go.
>I am now preparing my papers and about to fly off to a better off country and work there.
I guess people just really become affected on shows where it hit them the most. Because I feel nothing when I watch highschool shows (unless it's well written). For those complaining about HS, go read some seinen, heck even jousei is good. There you'd get some mature stories, characters, settings.

>>79367342 (OP)
>Honey and Clover
>college
>the girl looks like she is 5

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>>79370688
>Picking Citizen Kane and The Godfather as examples
I know what you mean. But geez. Stop implying that those films are pretentious. There are a lot of good reasons why those are goodfilms. Don't let a couple of desperate hipsters turn you blind from those glorious masterpieces.

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>>79370555
>they elevate those women to such ideals as to make them unreachable
This isn't new at all. It has been done throughout the middle ages where it was called "courtly love".

A lady of higher status, only known by her public/courtly facade, would be revered by a knight as the embodiment of ladylike purity, loveliness, etc. - with the knight being fully aware that due to the difference in status he could never actually get to know her, not to think of even sleeping with her or something.

During the middle ages, it was considered the most pure and noble form of love due to being both chaste and selfless.

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>>79370773
She's Japanese and she's an eccentric

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>itt people with not distance towards their medium at all arguing about how their highschool romance stories with moe lolies are which make up 99% of anime nowadays is actually superior to film/books

Yes, I'm trolling. I don't care. I stopped caring about anime when I hit 21 I think.

I still have over 1 TB of anime burned on CDs/DVDs as well as some VHS tapes somewhere. The nostalgia is still there.

But anime/manga is just childlish and don't expect too much from it because you are going to be disappointed.

>>79370821
He didn't say that those films are pretentious. He said that people who only saw those two films and then claim that they know shit about cinema are pretentious.

>>79370694
I should also say that I might be biased but I don't think on the whole that the board is bad with other general mediums.

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>>79370773
>asian genes
Not even gonna kid.

>>79370698

Agreed... In part.

Both Highschool and College have their ups and downs.

On Highschool, you can actually do stupid shit without much fear of consequences... You're still regarded by most as still a kid, so you can get away with pretty much anything.

I started drinking when i was 15... And lemme tell you, nothing was better than that feeling that we were doing something we were not supposed to. Having sex for the first time, lying about my age to get into clubs and concerts, all dat "FUCK SOCIETY" attitude and shit.

But College is fucking awesome, too. You can drive, you have your own car, nobody gives a shit about you travelling with friends to another city, or even another state... Getting sex is much easier, but you can still get jailbait without anybody looking down on you...

So yeah, life only gets boring after College.

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>>79370909
Guys fuck off already. You're making more depressed that I already am.

>>79370855

Nope. There are mature anime out there. Actual, good ones. It's just that's only 1 or 2 per year, 3 or 4 in a good year, and they're either short form or OVA, and rarely get second seasons or full-lenght movies.

Stuff like Monster, which is both mature and has 74 episodes, is rare as fuck.

>>79370909
Wow, you're such a normalfag.
>I started drinking when i was 15... And lemme tell you, nothing was better than that feeling that we were doing something we were not supposed to. Having sex for the first time, lying about my age to get into clubs and concerts, all dat "FUCK SOCIETY" attitude and shit.
So this is what normal people do in highschool? I'll pass.

>>79370996

I know, that's what I'm saying.

You have to dig REALLY dip to get anything worthwhile, and even when you find it it's not THAT mind blowing.

It's good, but hell, it's not something that can undo that TONS AND TONS AND TONS of moe girls doing moe things, harem fantasies or kids saving the world with magical mehs and so on.

>>79370967

As long as you're alive, you can still go out and do shit. Just drop your stupid anime t-shirts, get some polo's and plain-color T-shirts with good fitted jeans, shave and trim your hair, and get some good cologne, and start making friends.

I still have a lot of difficulty picking up girls, can't really sway them with my swag, but if you're funny and somewhat good looking, girls dig you anyway. Just don't hit up on randoms and instead try to crawl out of friendzone with girl friends.

>>79370555
I don't even think it's so much about purity. I'm absolutely certain if the girl was presented in a likeable way, even a non-virgin girl could end up being liked.

I think it's more about the setting though. In high school anyone can meet teenage girls because he spends all time with them in a room.

Outside of high school, especially with an older protagonist, that gets a lot harder. You'd need a special sort of setting for that, like in Welcome to the NHK.

>>79371052
Stop using that word. It's despicable.

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>>79370996
And even then faggots insist that it's pretentious bullshit and further discourages japan from making more of it. There's a reason why companies are forced to make shallow HS SOLs. Because of demand. If their target market aren't making a high enough demand they won't push to create something interesting at cost of losing their market's interest.

Seriously. There was even a clip of them admitting to that.

>>79370909
And the "Biggest Normie" award goes to this faggot. Please go and stay go.

>>79371052

Suuure... And when you're 50 and alone all you'll have are the memories of the shit you could've done, but didn't, and will become a bitter old fuck.

i'll pass.

>>79371093
> As long as you're alive, you can still go out and do shit. Just drop your stupid anime t-shirts, get some polo's and plain-color T-shirts with good fitted jeans, shave and trim your hair, and get some good cologne, and start making friends.
> implying that's worthy advice
I even have a girlfriend. I just regret that my entire life up until point was never really exciting or engaging. And I don't think it will ever be ...

>>79370909
>On Highschool, you can actually do stupid shit without much fear of consequences...
I'd wager most people here, as well as the target audience of anime never did any stupid shit but just did what they were told.

>But College is fucking awesome, too. You can drive, you have your own car, nobody gives a shit about you travelling with friends to another city, or even another state... Getting sex is much easier, but you can still get jailbait without anybody looking down on you...

>implying I own a driving license
>implying I own a car
>implying I travel
>implying I have friends
>implying I have sex
>implying I'm not already done with college
Yeah, no.

>>79371131
>>79371082
Welcome to Japanese economics.
Remember, your favorite anime won't get any sales unless it appeals to the otaku neckbeard market.

>>79371082

Why does it really have to be good enough to undo anything?

Did Stephen King need to undo all the horror SHIT that's been vomited out of a pen for the past 200 years?

Did Stephanie Meyer managed to undo Anne Rice with her faggot vampires?

You just read what you like and ignore the shit with books, why not watch anime you like and ignore the shit?

>College is better

Assuming you're taking an actually credible degree (no soft sciences or arts), your free time compared to highschool is effectively cut down to a quarter of what you had. Would you really want to watch an anime about college kids who spend 90% of their time sitting in lectures, going to tutorials, and hanging out in labs/libraries?

I wouldn't.

This thread is going places

>>79371211
>Welcome to economics.
FTFY

Obviously things which don't sell won't get made.

>>79370909
>nothing was better than that feeling that we were doing something we were not supposed to.
Too edgy for me.
Seriously I honestly hope that you aren't so obvious.

>>79371167
Nah, I'd rather read books and watch films and anime. Sex, friends and parties don't interest me.

So, otaku are people who want to be normalfags? That's pretty sad. Well, there is a reason why they love harem shit so much.

>>79370855
>>79370996
>>79371082
>>79371131
You know, I think the most childish thing here is you guys. You sound like teenagers who want to immerse themselves in "mature things for mature people such as yourselves."

Absolutely disgusting.
True maturity is being able to define what you enjoy from what you don't enjoy, without caring about the genre or medium. It's being able to enjoy what you have in hand rather than try to enjoy what you think you want.

>>79371190

As long as you make up for the things you've lost, you're good.

>>79371263
This is an interesting clash of useless to society scum vs. irritating alpha bros. Very nice debate to watch. I'm interast

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-ctrl+f
-no mention of next season Kousaku Shima's anime about glorious japanese work ethic

>Kachou Kousaku Shima is the first in a number of Japanese manga series about a fictional salaryman named Kousaku Shima, a Japanese white-collar worker who devotes his life to his company, Hatsushiba Electric. At the start of the long-running series, Shima Kousaku is a kachou, or section chief, of a huge conglomerate, Hatsushiba Electric. He is later promoted to buchou (division chief) and eventually promoted to manager and executive-director, at the end the president of comapny, and with each promotion the title of the series changed as well. And last it is "Shachou " Shima Kousaku, which means "President Kousaku Shima".

Come the fuck on, this shit is going to be great

>>79371247
You could just do something like Community (I'm assuming at least some of you still watch a little bit of Western T.V.) where they are just fucking around most of the time.

>>79370909
How is it to fail college?

> graduated university for 5 years
> not a single friend during that time
> still virgin
don't believe what those people say here

>>79371245

I'm not saying it has to undo. That may have been poor wording on my part.

I'm just trying to point out that on case of anime really unproportional part of the medium is absolute and utter childish shit and you have to waste A LOT of time digging to get to the few good titles. And even when you do it's not THAT mind blowing.

In that sense it's not good enough to make all the time spent searching and stumbling on more moe magical girls in highschool with mechs worth your bother.

You get what I'm driving at?

>>79371279

You're wrong. Being entertained by a bunch of immature kiddie bollocks is immature as fuck. Real entertainment has depth of character, character development, interesting ideas and discussions, not just cute girls doing cute things.

Sure, watching one every once in a while is good because you don't have to think about anything while doing it... But limiting your entire anime watchlist to that?

What the fuck?

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> make thread about wanting more interesting settings in my slice of life anime
> /v/ faggots come and take over the thread with their stupid shit about mature anime
Here we go again

>>79371167
Not him but regardless of what you do you'll grow to be a bitter old man who laments not taking chances and doing something differently.
If you don't then you obviously just don't give a fuck about anything.

>>79371329
>>>/tv/

In an anime format with similar themes/narrative structure, college settings require a different format to work which is why you don't see it.

Get out normalfag.

>>79371331

Implying i'm failing College. I do Law at a respectable university in my city, already had an internship in the Superior Court of Justice, and had a son recently.

What are you doing with your life recently?

>>79371406
>normalfag
You're nearly there just keep on trying just as hard as you are right now to fit in.

>>79371167
> implying I'm not already bitter
please

>>79371167
Oh wow I heard this argument. From who? The drunk retards in high school who are now failing and getting kicked out of college.
Go away.

>>79367342 (OP)
>It's like the fucking authors never grew up and advanced from that period.


Try the entire nation.

Once you get out of school you have a soul crushing life of a salaryman, doing nothing but working for the entire day, unable to spend time with your family anymore until you're retired in 40 years.

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>>79371279
>Oh you like psychological, mind titillating stories? You're so childish
>Look at my precious and 2DEEP4U SOL
I like how you thought that I don't like SOLs. I like them. Most are relaxing, but it doesn't hurt to have a story with serious discussion and topics for once. As they say, having the same food for the rest of your life would make you sick.

>>79370279
>I started drinking when i was 15... And lemme tell you, nothing was better than that feeling that we were doing something we were not supposed to. Having sex for the first time, lying about my age to get into clubs and concerts, all dat "FUCK SOCIETY" attitude and shit.

I have never, ever understood this. Maybe I'm too autistic but I never felt the need to rebel or lie or do things I was told not to do.

>>79371451
>Law
Argument invalidated.
Also enjoy your debt.

>>79371453
Deflecting the point are we? Why even post if you're just going to shitpost?

>>>/v/
>>>/jp/

>>79371514
Maybe thats why you never had friends
;_;

>>79371326
Except that since it's about work in japan the guy is going to be treated like shit by his boss and forced to work overtime constantly.
seems fun

>>79371352
Not everyone is a pathetic scum like you anon. That's your fault for revealing your powerlevels.

>>79371514
Meant to quote >>79370909

>>79371403

Nope. I have my savings account for when i retire. I'll go travel the world, leave my children to have their own lives, and go see all the shit i've been reading about my whole life.

Not all live to be bitter old man. Getting older actually enables you to do shit you couldn't when you were younger, enables you to have a completely different outlook on life... You have money, you already fulfilled your responsabilities... And if you took care of your health during your life, you're still healthy enough to enjoy almost everything.

>>79371555
Because we've never even had a conversation before. You're trying to use words that mean nothing and have no justification in their application. Why did you call him a normalfag?

>>79371568
But I didn't even get into anime about halfway through university

>>79371550

Like i even have debt. Both parents successful lawyers, paying for the entirety of my college, because i actually did really well in highschool.

Already have a bright future ahead of me, have a baby boy, a beautiful girlfriend who's also the mother of my baby...

And what are you accomplishing? Hah.

>>79371384
>Being entertained by a bunch of immature kiddie bollocks is immature as fuck.
That's the type of attitude that is childish. You remind me of my time "rehabilitating" teens at a community center. Always looking down on things because they somehow see themselves above it.
You'll learn sooner or later that's now how entertainment in general should be perceived, because you're generalizing the entire genre into your own prejudiced perspective.

>But limiting your entire anime watchlist to that?
Who said anything about limiting? We're all anonymous here, so you can't see, but many people share very many different genres and shows.

>>79371494
Stop misquoting me.
The only way you can get disappointed is if you have expectations. Every show has something to discuss "seriously"; you just need to find the right things to discuss.

>>79371245
I have this theory, hear me out:

Nerds and normalfags are fundamentally different in their interests. Nerds are focussed on the subject itself, normalfags care more about the social implications of things. If something gets them to socialise, if something has a positive reputation which they could make use of while socialising, if something is more likely to get them laid, then they're more likely to engage in it.
That is why they care about the reputation anime has. A slightly nerdy normalfag may want to watch Naruto so he can go to a con dressed up as Sasuke to fuck fangirls, or he may want to watch Ghost in the Shell so he can impress people with his knowledge of those crazy Chinese movies which are however more deep than one may think, but certainly the negative reputation of this "moeshit" is getting in his way. A real nerd wouldn't care about it and just continue to like what he likes because he doesn't give a shit about people. This is also why normalfags can never truly appreciate anything because their mind doesn't allow them to be focussed on it because their minds are busy with people and getting laid all the time.

>>79369176
>It's sturgeon's law, a Rule of thumb.
God, how I hate how everyone has to call every stupid shit someone once said a "law".

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>>79371646

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>older than 20
>still watching chinese cartoons about children
>blabbering on about "pure" girls and "normalfags"
>dismissing people who expect something more mature as pretentious

Okay, I think I've had enough of /a/ for a month or two. Have a good day/evening/night or whatever anons.

I think I'll just smoke some weed and go for a run to forget about this mess.

>>79371657
Your wall of text is saying something very simple: normalfags do what is considered normal. DUH!

>>79371600
>Because we've never even had a conversation before.
I was talking about the idea of college settings in anime. If you're so ignorant and little that you can't even address the point and instead chose to shitpost about my choice of words, you clearly don't belong here.

>>>/v/
Just please, spare us the headache.

>>79371705
Your first week here?

>>79371585
You'll still wish you spent more time with your kids or that they grew up differently.
It is literally impossible for a man on his deathbed to not regret anything.
If you truly live to never regret a thing then I truly pity you.

>>79371705
blaze it 420 xD

>>79369459
But Lodoss War (especially the tv series), Witch Hunter Robin and Hellsing (Gonzo edition) are all pretty shit.

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>>79371705
> wants something more mature
> smokes weed

>>79371726
No, that's not what I said at all. I said that their minds function on a completely different level.

>>79371567

Maybe so but his hard work pays off in the end, as expected of someone imbued with the nipponic samurai spirit

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>>79371633
Okay, then you're just the average beta scum then. No one is attracted to negativity. That only works when you have a six pack abs and dark flowy hair. Women are biased like that.

>>79371705
See you tomorrow, /a/non

>>79371733
Justify using the word normalfag instead of using us and pretending the hivemind has you covered.

Or try redirecting me again and insult me.

>>79371752
I agree, but
>If you truly live to never regret a thing then I truly pity you.
what?

If the west had that shit low level of free time once you start working we would also clutch to our youth.

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>>79371705
>mature
>I'll just smoke some weed

>>79371657

You started off great, but got lost in your train of tought.

Yes, normal people tend to focus more on the social aspect of things, because that's the way our speecies ended up being successful, You mold your tastes to conform to the norm of society, in order to be highly regarded by them and get to enjoy the benefits.

"Nerds" "Otakus" are those who ended up being shunned away from the spotlight, never compromising their tastes in order to be more socially accepted, and for that reason, they're rejected.

The way you said it actually sounds like normal people are worse than nerds, when they actually aren't. How is all the shitposting in this board not a contest of e-peens?

"HURHH 0/10 SHIT POST SAGE"

>>79371651
If your source of discussion is SHIT. What else would you discuss except something that is related to shit or how that shit came to be.

>>79371812
Because the only way that one could do so would be by not caring about anything in life.
While that may be a good way to live in a way I can't help but pity someone like that

>>79371752

Of course everyone has regrets, but does everyone have to be bitter about them? Sure, i'll have regrets. I have them now, and i'll have even more when i get old. But do i have to be bitter about it? Hell no!

Instead, i can learn from my mistakes and become a better person, and instead of bickering about shit i could've done differently, or didn't do at all, i'll do shit i want to do.

>>79371808
I don't need to justify anything. I'm not here to argue about the dictionary, but to discuss a point. If you're so immature as to attack anyone who uses a term not to your liking, you have serious issues.

>Or try redirecting me again and insult me.
I'll do it one more time since you're just shitting up this thread with off-topic garbage.
>>>/v/
>>>/b/
>>>/jp/
I'll take the high ground and ignore you for the sake of board quality.