Yeah we get it, Buu saga was dumb

But then there would have been no story after he carried on after Cell saga if they didn't stick to this plot device

Goten is even more special than Gohan and even Vegeta was surprised that Trunks went SSJ at his age.

>caring about GT
>110% better
Kill yourself

Well all episodes after the Cell saga were mainly editors begging Toriyama to do more DBZ.

Don't you remember Vegeta getting flustered when the kids went SS? He felt it had become shallow when it became the plaything of kids.

>>75510293
I thought Toriyama wanted to end the series after the Frieza saga or am I mistaken? Either way, shit got retarded once the Androids showed up although I still enjoyed the series'

At least Goten and Trunks became weak as fuck because of a lack of training. Especially Goten. The faggot got beat by his niece (Pan) for fuck sake.

Wasn't it Goku and Vegeta pumping Chi Chi and Bulma full of super Sayian semen that made Goten and Trunks so powerful?

>People still question DBZ
Either love it or hate it, but trying to make sense of it is retarded.
If you're going to do it at least post pictures of Frodo.

>>75510526
You have a point there.

>>75510526
No, some plot device about half-breeds being able to access it easier or some shit

>>75510293

I know, but still, he created something great at Frieza arc and then buried it on dog shit later.

>>75510526
It was half-breed Saiyans are stronger and can reach SSJ more easily. Which is why Goten and Trunks could do it as kids

Well, being that going super sayian ended up being the "warmin' up" stage of transformations at that point, this really didn't mean all that much.

>>75510427
>implying GT is canon

>>75510584
>>75510625

That doesn't explain why Goten could do it faster than Gohan.

>>75510656
I didn't say it was canon, dipshit. Don't jump the gun.

>>75510554

We all know it's fiction, but even fiction becomes retarded when it doesn't follow IT'S OWN FICTIONAL RULES.

Apparently you are the only retard here for not understanding that.

Mind you, Broly was the Legendary Super Sayian, what Trunks and Goten could do can't be compared to what Broly did.

>>75510664
He had Trunks to train with who in-turn was being trained by Vegeta or something like that

>>75510340
>"super sayian bargain sale"

>>75510688
He was also more powerful than two (or three?) SSJs combined for no reason.

>>75510684

>calling him dipshit
>being this rude

>>75510625

I thought it was more that their powers are just less stable so they get new powers faster. To put it in pokemon terms, even though a traded pokemon levels faster than ones you catch, their stats won't necessarily be higher in the end game. The way I explained it to myself when I was younger was that since Gohan's power was more "complete" than Goten's or Trunks', he had to go through more for it but got more out of it.

>>75510770
Aw, did I hurt your feelings?

The reason Pan couldn't go Super Saiyajin is because she was 3/4 Human and only 1/4 Saiyajin. Gohan, Goten and Trunks were half and half, which was the most powerful mix, and that's why they could transform more easily.

The actual question is why was Vegeta such a weakling in the beginning if he could easily become stronger than Furiza just with lol training?

>>75510827
>I'm acting tough on the internet and can do whatever I want, deal with it.

Deal with it.

>>75510851
Because he is a faggot balding midget.

>>75510763

The reason was plain old genetic freakishness. He just happened to be born extremely powerful.

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>>75510750
sup

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>My facial expression when an American thinks DBZ was planned to end at the Freezer saga, then orders two BigMacs, large fries and a Mountain Dew near me.

I want to know how it makes sense that full-blooded Saiyans were weaker than half-human half-saiyan when humans in DBZ were weak as fuck

IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE

>>75510918
BECAUSE HUMANS KNOW FRIENDSHIP

>>75510918
Goten and Trunks beat up a lot of farmers.

>>75510832
Then you watch the last part of GT and your theory is dumb. Admit super saiyan is sexist.

>>75511000
>males have a different physilogy to women
>DATS SEXIST!

>>75510918
Mestizos are stronger than pures Sayans.

Vegeta and Napa learnt that when Raditz lose to Gohan in the first DBZ arc.

>>75510918
They were trained in Kamehasutra.

>>75511000

>GT existing

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Hey guys remember me

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Goten is the moeest

>>75510763
> no reason

Actually that's wrong.
Broly was basically like one of those 7ft tall, 270lbs MMA fighters/wrestlers you see on tv. He was a genetic freak, born to become a fucking monster.

>>75511338
>>75511283
>yfw Goten and Trunks were Togashi's inspiration for Gon and Killua and made a shipping fan fic that is called Hunter x Hunter

>>75511283
>>75511338

You mean Kid Goku without his pole?

>dragon ball
>being consistent
Pick none

Remember when Frieza was the most powerful person in the universe? Then he had a father who was more powerful than him. Then Gero somehow made Androids more powerful than him, etc, etc

>>75510293
>implying anything after the dragon was first summoned wasn't editors begging Toriyama to do more

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>>75511485
Kid Goku wasn't nearly as adorable. They have completely different personalities

>>75510211 (OP)
>In GT, this fucking kid is all like "Hey Gohan, i can turn my hair yellow too, look!".

But this happens in Dragonball Z, not GT. The explanation was never given, but I honestly can't see how someone is so ass-pained about everyone and their grandma being Super Saiyan, when that shit was played out half way through the Cell arc, with Vegeta achieving it by just being booty bother about Goku and Gohan literally thinking about Freeza killing his mom.

Super Saiyan should have started at Goku and fucking ended with Gohan. Neither Vegeta nor Future Trunks needed, especially when consider how Dr. Gero's Earth-made robots, cyborgs and bio-androids made them all look like shit.

>>75511479
LOL IT CAN´T BE TRUE

>>75511825
>Super Saiyan should have started at Goku and fucking ended with Gohan.

Agreed on this. Broly's entire character was created from the legend of the SSJ and it's completely non-canon, harmless films. But shit like Bardock being the first SSJ is pure fanfiction cancer that shits on an already dead horse.

>>75511752
also kid goku was obese

>>75511492
>Remember when Frieza was the most powerful person in the universe?

Technically that was true. Only King Kold claimed to be stronger and Kaiou-Shin, being the faggot that he is, merely bragged about being strong enough to kill Freeza with ease.

Dr. Gero's bullshit could be explained away that he reverse engineered some of Freeza's stole tech, if not used information from Freeza's ship's/wreckage to create the unlimited energy cores that he implants in C17 and C18.

Gohan was conceived BEFORE Goku went Super Saiyan.

Goten was conceived AFTER Goku went Super Saiyan.

Goku's DNA was modified when he first went Super Saiyan, making it easier for his half-Saiyan descendents to achieve Super Saiyan.

Same with Trunks -- Future Trunks was conceived in a timeline where Vegeta never went Super Saiyan so he had to do it the hard way, whereas Trunks of the main timeline was conceived after Vegeta went Super Saiyan.

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>>75512231

This is a load of dildos, fuck you.

>>75512231

If we're going by the DNA route that explains why Pan isn't able to go SSJ anymore, since Gohan would have been his Mystic/Ultimate state, by the time he married/knocked Videl up--meaning she wouldn't even need the transformation, the same way going SSJ doesn't do shit for Gohan anymore after his potential was pulled out of his ass by the old Kai.

>>75512141
Yeah, Cell and the Androids wouldn't exist without Freeza

>>75511421
indeed IIRC they checked his power level when he was a baby and it was around 10k

>>75512356
It only works if they are Super Saiyin while having sex. Goku did Chi Chi when he was in his 24/7 Super Saiyin training and Vegeta was arrogant/crazy enough to try it with Bulma,

By the time Pan was conceived Gohan was out of training for years and much weaker.

goku and vegeta somehow passed part of their current powerlevel when they got their wives pregnant, that also explains why goten was more powerful than gohan at the same age, as goku was more powerful when he got chi chi pregnant with goten than when he got her pregnant with gohan

it's not officially canon but it's the most widely accepted theory so it may as well be, deal with it.

>>75512141

Yeah. 17 and 18 seemed like a project he kept on the backburner, since they were both rebellious teenfags. When you look at how ass-backwards Dr. Gero's own self-modifications were for himself and Android 19 (I'm mean seriously? Fucking human brains stuffed in a robot body?), it stands to reason that the unlimited energy cores, like #16 and ultimately Cell were incomplete projects.

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>>75512431
>it was around 10k

But that's... OVER 9000!

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legit dragon ball discussion on my /a/?

proceed

>>75511479

Makes too much sense. I didn't want to read that.

>>75512585

Gohan's Ultimate state isn't a transformation, like SSJ, it's how he is permanently. Not training for 10 years had zero bearing on it, like the 7 year gap after Cell.

ls broly's power maximum?

>>75512643
Super saiyan sperm?

>>75512670

We always have these threads when /v/ visits. Even if nine times out or ten it's mostly correcting misinformation.

>>75510211 (OP)
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Super Saiyan level 4 the legendary level that we see in flashbacks in shadow.

I always thought that Vegeta made a mistake on Namek when he thought that Goku achieved legendary powerlevel only because they never witnessed a Saiyan that strong.

>>75512728

Yeah. Gohan regretted not joining the Budokai at the end of the series and seem completely confident that he could win, despite Goku and Vegeta also entering. Clearly, he didn't lose power like after Cell. It was just a question of if Goku and Vegeta were able to close the power gap between them and Gohan within that decade.

>>75512706
>>75511896
Accept it faggots.
Togashi loves the gays so much that he'd go this far for them.

How strong is gohan?
He sould be at least twice as strong as buu but he gets stomped once buu absorbs gotenks who is equal to him.

>>75510211 (OP)
When you have sex ssj made it makes it that much easier for your offspring to achieve this feat. A form of genetic memory, which happens irl.

>>75512781

If you are willing to stretch it a little more it would also explain why goten and trunks were able to easily transform into SSJs, when goku and vegeta got bulma and chi chi pregnant with their children they were already able to turns SSJ so they passed that knowledge along with part of thir powerlevel down to their offspring. gohan couldn't turn SSJ that easily because when chi chi got pregnant with him goku wasn't able to transform yet.

>>75512890

GT is completely non-canon. Shit doesn't matter. In canon, Goku is the legendary SSJ, but if you take the films into consideration, then Broly is.

If we're talking about the series as a whole, Goku is just the first SSJ to come along in several generations that were probably kept in check by Freeza's empire. Trunks, Vegeta, Goten and Gohan achieving the same tier of power isn't hard to accept when they had so much exposed to Goku at that level and all those means to train, on top of near-death experiences.

>>75510914
But you can't order a BigMac AND a Mountain Dew

McDonalds only serves Coke products

Ah, well, the theory was that saiyans transmit their power level genetically to their sons.
The stronger you become, the stronger your son will be when he is born and the saiyan race will overall be stronger.
They are a warrior race after all.
Goku reached the peak of the saiyan race by becoming a super saiyan and then had a child.
By that, Gotens is stronger due to his father reaching this level.
Same thing applies to Trunks.
Further generations of this would lead the earth saiyans to be the strongest force in the galaxy due to reproduction alone.

Turning into a gold monkey should give you a 500x boost

>>75513126
in the universe*
Not galaxy.

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>mfw Buu Saga

>>75513052
In canon, nobody in the current era is "the legendary SSJ". There was a Super Saiyan a thousand years ago who formed the basis of the legend, but the legend's mystical elements were false -- nobody is a reincarnation of the previous Super Saiyan or anything like that, and any Saiyan could potentially become a Super Saiyan, it's just so rare that there'd never been more than one at a time before.

>>75512995

If you're talking about after the Old Kai power-up, he's stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku and every form of Majin Buu prior to him absorbing SSJ3 Gotenks by a wide margin.

Technically he's the strongest non-fused character in the series, by the end. GT doesn't count.

The reason Buu was able to beat the shit out Mystic Gohan is because through his Absorbsion, it was Super Buu's power x SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo's.

Like Fusion, for the most part, Buu's absorbsion multiplies his power with whoever he sucks up, barring the person getting got having a 'gentle' personality.

>>75513126
but Brolly would be an anomaly as his father was not that strong.

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mfw in the new movie canon, Bardock is the Legendary Super Saiyan, because he went back in time and became the basis of the legend.

>>75513320
You know realize bardock as a ssj was weaker than frieza's first form.

>>75513320
>mfw in the new movie canon, Bardock is the Legendary Super Saiyan, because he went back in time and became the basis of the legend.

I love Bardock, but that movie was fucking retarded. Fucking fanfiction bullshit almost as bad as the Broly circle-jerking that's infesting most of the recent DBZ games.

>Everyone discussing the obvious

weak goku without ssj = gohan
strong goku/vegeta with ssj = goten/trunks

They pass their ssj/power by their DNA/sperm/whatever

I don't understand why is this so hard to understand for some people

>>75513052
>>75513243

Then Chichi must be strong as fuck since she taught Goten how to fight and would spar with him regularly, even as a SSJ.

>>75513243
The golden hair thing is not the legendary level of super saiyan that we think. During the Namek arc we see a flashback of Vegeta talking about the legendary saiyan warrior. This shadow outline of a saiyan has a tail, hair similar to SSY4 Goku and a furline on his chest.

Confusion was underway because of lack of understanding powerlevels. Seeing Saiyans were average to weak, for Vegeta sensing Goku's level after he arrived to Namek was beyond anything ever before.
Does thinking Goku already achieved Legendary powerlevel eventhough he hasn't gone SSY1.

>>75513502
Some people don't want to admit the truth.

>>75513508
In Dragonball, Chichi decapitated a T-Rex by throwing her hat at it.

Let's be honest.
Can you really take DBZ seriously?

>>75513428

canon or not it doesn't matter because in any case the ability to turs ssj is a racial trait of the saiyan race. OK, bardock did it first, so what?

>>75513524
>This shadow outline of a saiyan has a tail, hair similar to SSY4 Goku and a furline on his chest.

This is the exact inspiration Toriyama had when he drew the character design for Toei to use for GT.

Alternately, it's more likely that Vegeta only liken the legend of the SSJ to the the Saiyan's great ape form, because that was literally the Saiyan's go-to form for fucking up opponents who were out of their league otherwise.

>>75512900
Goku reached his cap at Buu Saga; his organism wasn't capable of upkeeping SSJ3 for more than a few minutes even though he had no such problems as a corpse.

Also, Gohan was embarassed because Mr. Satan made them sit right in front of the ring; that comment had nothing to do with powerlevel. Unless I'm forgeting something.

>>75513565
Whats her power level?

ITT people don't know what legend/legendary means.

1. A story of unknown origin describing plausible but extraordinary past events.
2. A story in which a kernel of truth is embellished to an unlikely degree.
3. A leading protagonist in a historical legend.

Nobody in the current era can be the LEGENDARY Super Saiyan because he lived and died a thousand years ago.

>>75513618
>canon or not it doesn't matter because in any case the ability to turs ssj is a racial trait of the saiyan race. OK, bardock did it first, so what?

The idea that Bardock went back in time is stupid enough, but that he's also the first SSJ is stupid slapped on retarded.

That would be like Future Trunks being revealed to be the first SSJ because he used his time machine and went back in time.

>>75513702
legendary can also mean that it's likely to become the stuff of legends in the future

>>75510211 (OP)
You enjoyed it when you were 11.


That's all it was meant to be.

Stop over analyzing it.

>>75513678

50-300 at most, not that it really matters. it's DB, it's about silly shotas doing silly things (with the ocasional loli/old master/adult)

>>75513665
>Goku reached his cap at Buu Saga

Show me a statement of this. I'm looking at the manga right now and the only limited he had was before the ten year time-skip, prior to him training with a living body. There's no reason why Goku couldn't have worked out a way to sustain SSJ3 longer with ten years to train, given he was able to achieve and max SSJ2 in the after-life, just with seven years to work with. Alternately, Vegeta was able to also reach SSJ2 in the living world, before the Buu arc even started.

There's nothing to suggest these guy hit some wall within the decade after Buu, especially since Goku himself seemed adamant of wanting to become strong enough to deal with Kid Buu, on his own, if he ever returned.

Whether or not if they were able to surpass Gohan within that decade is another can of worms all together.

>>75513765

>That would be like Future Trunks being revealed to be the first SSJ because he used his time machine and went back in time.

That actually doesn't sound half bad, mirai trunks is the man, it's the only version of trunks i can actually stand. But yeah, it would probably be retarded.

They are just trying to milk the franchise for all it's worth nowadays, don't give them ideas.

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>>75511966
All Saiyans are obese. How many calories do you think they burn a day training? If Michael Phelps eats 12-13k calories a day Goku must need like 10x that or more.

>>75510211 (OP)
Are you the dao of dragon ball guy?

>>75513665

If it was anyone, but Goku, I could see him being capped out. It's more logically that to assume that Goku got around that SSJ3 limit, if not surpassed it. At the very least, I see no reason why Vegeta hadn't reached SSJ3 within a decade, given he and Goku were able to hit SSJ2 handily during those seven years of peace after Cell.

>>75514116
I believe it's been stated in a canon that full-blooded Saiyans eat 10 times as much as a human, and half-blooded Saiyans eat twice as much as a human. However, since they have correspondingly faster metabolisms, they don't become fat. They do shit a lot, though.

>>75513665

I can't imagine Vegeta not killing himself at the thought that Goten and Trunks' lazy asses were stronger than both him and Goku through Fusion.

There's no way in hell that Vegeta and Goku didn't at least surpass SSJ3 kid Gotenks during that decade of peace after Kid Buu.

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>>75514224
Thus why i brought up the amount of calories they burn.

Also I liked this episode. A calm family day before shit hits the fan.

>>75511000
>GT
anyway, dragon ball online said most of the humans on earth have sayjin blood in them, so you can go ssj. You can also pick a namekian and go super namekian

>yfw Bardock was the first Super Saiyan

Also, where does Broly fit into all this shit?

>>75514351

The Bardock shit is non-canon like Broly, they mean about as much to the story as GT.

>>75514351
don't you see, it was always in your heart! broly is not real

>>75514420
>The Bardock shit is non-canon
Oh boy.

>>75514351
>Broly fit into all this shit?

Like the Bardock special, he doesn't.

>>75514116
>Michael Phelps
he's to busy smoking weed

>>75514347

Dragonball Online is full fucking retard with the lore and shouldn't be discussed.

>>75514351

he just was a very strong saiyan, nothing more. Sort of like gifted humans born every once and then.

>>75514574
>a-am i cool yet guys?

http://news.menshealth.com/michael-phelps-diet/2012/08/01/

>>75514478

Of course it's non-canon. It was written by the same woman who did that Dragonball OVA a few years back where Vegeta's brother shows up.

At best the SSJ Bardock special is canon to the original Bardock special, which Toei produced and Toriyama only provided character designs for.

Bardock, the character, Toriyama liked enough to use in the manga later towards the end of the Freeza arc, but that's literally as far as Bardock connects to that fanfiction abortion.

>>75514623
>>75514347

The only thing canon about Dragon Ball Online is the pre-story, which Toriyama wrote. The in-game mechanics and bullshit reasoning where Dende was able to create Dragonballs powerful enough to allow humans who have Saiyan DNA to become SSJ is about canon as GT.

>What are legendary genes

>>75511421
>born to become a fucking monster.
Isn't that what Saiyans are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLv3RRexyOY&feature=related

OH SHIT DBZ THREAD.

>>75515025
Broly was natural Saiyan tendencies turned up to 11, and with even less average intellect.
Basically, Broly has very little going on in his head but has massive tardstrength.

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>>75514764
>Of course it's non-canon. It was written by the same woman who did that Dragonball OVA a few years back where Vegeta's brother shows up.

Those two cases are different. That OVA was an OVA first and then she drew a manga adaptation completely by herself.

The new Bardock special was a 3 chapter mini-series drawn by her, but "directed" by Toriyama. Later on, an anime version was made. (Also, the manga version's initial scene, although similar to the anime's, have things going slightly different - basically, it doesn't line up exactly with the Bardock tv special, unlike the anime version).

wouldn't it be cool if they reinvented the series by for example, making gotens go in a time machine and revisit some of the saga's and also new ones and altering it by joining,

>>75515525
No. That's a terrible idea.

>>75515190
If you put it that way, Broly is a true saiyan
Ruthless
Loves to fight and destroy shit and laughs doing so.

Vegeta was too weak during his first appearance..

>>75510211 (OP)

Goten and Trunks are special because they were born after Son Goku and Vegeta could turn Supersayajins already, so maybe they inherited it

>What about Pan

Pan is shit

>>75516518
>Pan is shit

omfg, I laughed

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>>75512231
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit.

>>75512585
Stop it. You're bullshit.

>>75512585

The comment about Vegeta made me actually laugh. But you're right about Goku, he screwed Chichi, while being a SSJ, which might explain why Goten can so easily transform into one, too and V