sure, I think I wouldvre lived a better life if I knew what I was able to do early

>>74164807 (OP)
Obviously if it's a judgement that you cannot accept, then the computer has made an error as this denial would lead to decreased productivity.

It should take it into account.

No, I'd take my SKS and go inna woods; living off the grid and dressing in skins.

I'd also grow a beard.

>>74164807 (OP)
COMPUTAH??

I'd probably sit inside posting on 4chan all day, watching cartoons and masturbating.

Kind of like now, but more futuristic and shit.

It doesn't matter if you accept it or not. Employers wouldn't hire you if you.

>human dignity

Are you a faggot or something? The world needs ditch diggers. Deal with it

>>74164807 (OP)
If you remember the computer gives you MULTIPLE JOBS you're best at and ultimate it is up to the person if he/she wants the job or not. It's not like you have a gun pointed at their heads or anything.

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>>74164807 (OP)
>human dignity

>>74164807 (OP)
You said yourself it's a pretty good supercomputer, I'd just trust it,

>>74164807 (OP)

It's not like they're living in a dystopia or anything like that!

>>74164807 (OP)
Does the computer ever tell people that their chosen job is whore?

>>74164807 (OP)
>letting SUPAHCOMPUTAH control you life

We Terminator now?

Nothing wrong with factory work. The one in the show just happens to be an extra special shithole.

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At least you'd have a job.

>>74164902
and get murdered like Spookie Boogie and Talisman.

>>74165093
But those two were just cancerous attention whores.

Are you inferring that murdering tripfags is a negative thing?

This promotes Communism ain't it? This is communism ain't it?

the stupid people get sent to work in factory's

i don't see the problem

>>74165139
>promotes Communism
In what way?
Civilians in the PP society still get to own private property last time I checked.

>>74164971
>a pretty good supercomputer
No it's not.

>>74165139
I do not think that word means what you think it means.

This is why plots like this really bother me. Even the minor shit like career fitting would never fit in any society, but we're supposed to believe that against all ethics and common sense, it's gotten to the point where a computer is practically tyrant? I know
>anime
>people being intelligent
but this kind of plot isn't exclusive to anime.

I disliked a lot of the towns in Kino for the same reasons. None of it would work if any of the characters just sat and thought about their actions for ten minutes.

I'd love to have a super computer find the best jobs for me. Beats the hell out of being forced into applying to 50 different places outside of your range of talents and being told you need 5 years of experience for an entry level position.

Well there are still neets, imagine the computer telling you your best career is to be a neet.

Do I get to be the Receiver?

>>74165285
>neet
>career
Pick one.

I would be the guy being bullied

>>74165128
No, I'm scaring him off.

Why are you m/a/tes laughing at 'human dignity'? Don't you understand that the system violates the very basic principle of job selection and self-determination?
The ultimate system choosing one's career? that's what the communist countries once had tried and utterly failed.

The whole Psychopassverse is just grim and creepy as hell; dystopia, even though Urobuchi dosen't seem to emphasise it that much.

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I've had factory jobs all my life.
I'd have no issue, you get used to it.

Its also pretty nice, you do the same repetitive thing over and over, and after you get completely used to it you can practically shut down your brain and go on auto pilot.

Makes work go by a whole lot faster.

>>74165249
Given the dialogue, it seems these people, and the previous generation were born into this system. I can't imagine they would question it any more that we do with whatever glaring holes in our society are.

>>74165249
>Even the minor shit like career fitting would never fit in any society
Yeah, no HR personnel with a working brain would ever segregate job applicants by certificates from courses used to differentiate people who are fit for different careers.

Yep, no such thing happens.

>>74165336
You have no choice over your own life. Self-determination is a lie.

Your life is determined by your birth and the economic factors in your environment.

If it tells you to work like that its either because you're a lazy fuck or a retard.

what anime is this?

>>74165346
Wow, this is hilarious. Didn't you say you dropped out of school because you thought it was stupid doing the same thing over and over?

>>74165336
>communist countries once had tried
You don't know what communism is. Shut the fuck up.

>>74165371
Don't you understand? It's soulless reduction of the human when a government or AI does it, but a glorious affirmation of human agency when some HR wonk or overbearing parent does it.

>>74165385

Krony isn't some slave to the system!

>>74165249
>Kino
Shit was allegorical, man.

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>>74165385
No I dropped out of school because I hated doing the same thing over and over and it being viewed as if it was an EDUCATION.

I have no problem doing menial tasks if I am getting payed.

>>74165390
>implying you know what communism is
>implying communists understand their own ideology

What Anime is this?

>>74165035

I think the SYBIL system is more akin to that o APPLESEEDs but also more involved in the everyday running of society being so integrated via the criminal and law enforcement sector - there's probably some committee running alongside the computers decisions as well.

>>74165427
>insulting others to prove one's own worth
本末転倒

>>74165432
Girls und Panzer

>>74165336
You still get to choose which job you do, it just tells you witch ones will hire you. That's why people where asking the MC why she went into the police when she had so many options.

>>74165419
I know, but the warring towns episode was still infuriating.

>>74165373
Your statement simply insults those who are working hard everyday to move upward and is laughed by those who have.

>>74165471

Exactly this - it was even explained in an episode - the system only makes recommendations but you are entirely free to choose what you want to go into.

In the global industry vs health assessment by WHO at 2009, there were three main factors that link your occupation to your background.

One is location of birth - and partly the population density.
Two is socioeconomic status of birth
Three is marital stability of the parents - ironically this was inversely proportional, meaning more stable the parents are, more likely you are due for unemployment or lower industry tier.

The study revealed more things about your job and your health, but that's another story.

I think they where coders or something. Still that doesn't make any sense since even know, the sort of work is generally done from home.

>>74165336
>>74165249
The people chose this in the end. Why is it so hard to believe people willing want this? Look at America, each day the citizens allow the government to strip liberty and freedom, because surprise surprise the government is "helping" them by giving the citizens entitlement programs such as social security put them right into the hands of the government and let's not forget the failure that was Occupy Wallstreet the people completely failed in the end.

Face it, the people want this and you can bet your ass it will happen in the future and we'll become the world of Psycho Pass.

>>74165525
>they where coders
but who was code?

>>74165525
D-did you even watch the episode?

>>74165544
debuggers, my bad. But it's still roughly the same thing.
>>74165551
I did.

Reminds me of the Destiny plan.
We Gilbert Durandal now.

>>74165471
>>74165507

But the show never tells you what happens if you want to get out of the job and go work in another field.

ITT: Authoritarian idiots

>>74165565
You didn't, we can tell. Either that you fucking suck at watching cartoons, which is a miracle in itself.

That's Japan for you, they have this kind of mentality:"It can't be helped."
It's actually explain everything about Japan.

>>74164807 (OP)
That system claims to be able to tell you what career would make you happiest. Could you argue with assured happiness?

>have security so tight that the factory is disconnected from the internet to prevent intrusion
>an employee can literally just walk up to a drone and modify it

yeah right

>>74165637
Happiness is a communist lie. Real men work at a job they hate AND have no talent for.

>>74164807 (OP)
>tells you to work in a factory and do manual labor
But that's what you are best suited to, OP. Are you able to solve partial differential equations?

Thought not. Go attend your shift already.

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This SYBIL system sounds like a botnet.

How could it have even happened in the first place?

>>74165540
>social security
>government stripping liberty out of people

You must be a libetarian from the 19th century, right?

So, I wouldn't have to worry about what I'll do with my future and I'd have a guaranteed job, right?

Alright, I'm in.

>>74164807 (OP)
It's a dystopia.

>>74165637
>That system claims to be able to tell you what career you are suited for
Fixed. There are things I could do because of my talents. That doesn't mean that I like them.

>>74165704
0% crime rate sounds good unless you're a criminal.

Are you one?

OP is so middle class he thinks that any kind of factory work is tantamount to slavery

2bluecollar4u

>>74165637
The system cannot possibly calculate all of the factors that affect my happiness, unless it analyses a mind upload of me, in which case it's deeply immoral.

>get raped
>oh you're a criminal we have to kill you now
>any negative feelings
>you are a criminal
No thanks.

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>>74165738

But we must fight for our freedoms.

Who was it that said a society that trades liberty for security deserves neither?

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>>74165738
>torrent
Everyone on /a/ are criminals.

>>74165735
The system is also interested in maintaining your psycho pass, I doubt it'd give a high ranking to something that would make you miserable, despite being great at it.

>>74165767
It can. Who are you to say it can't when you're too stupid to even code FizzBuzz?


>>74165776
If you don't remember, then looks like I'm not the only one who don't values it.

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>>74165778

>implying torrenting = piracy = criminal activity

>>74165776
>Who was it that said a society that trades liberty for security deserves neither?
Benjamin Franklin?

>>74165778
I torrent Linux distributions. Your move.

>>74165540
This entire post seems like /pol/bait so I'll just say the following and not respond to it any further.
>Why is it so hard to believe people willing want this?
Because it's clearly an extremist setting that the writers are trying to tell a message with. Which is fine I guess, but not realistic in the least. Some people might want it, sure, but an entire society?

And that's not even acknowledging the whole psycho-pass justice system. It never could have happened barring some conflict in the PP universe that so far hasn't been addressed.

>>74165827
then how did you see PP in the first place? Streaming is the same as torrenting.

>>74165812
Are you one of those people who think that people use Tor for any reason besides CP?

>>74165784
They system isn't good enough to be able to do that.
And even if it could - there's almost no advantage.

>>74165701
OP here. I'm in uni and the System isn't going to work in a factory, I suppose.
Instead, it would probably-in the worst case-put me in some think-tank or research instutitue and spend 24 hours with lovely shit-high stacks of papers.
...which is not different from manual factory labor at all, I know

>>74165847
You missed a capital letter. Try again.

>>74165776
>Who was it that said a society that trades liberty for security deserves neither?
Franklin.

But Franklin was a faggot apparently not even knowing about basic Hobbes philosophy.

>anime with moe detectives and disintegration guns
>taking it seriously
What the fuck is wrong with some people?

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>>74165847

>Streaming is the same as torrenting.

>>74165858
Hey now, I use tor to browse the black market.

>>74165847
>not flying to Japan to watch it live

>me
>manual labour
If the supercomputer told me to work in a factory, that would undeniable be the proof that it's useless piece of shit.
Seriously, I don't know anyone less suited for manual labour than myself.

Did anyone else got sick tired of hearing like 100 times SPOOKY BOOGIE

>>74165916

SPOOKY BOOOOOOOOOOGIE

>>74165890
It's roughly the same. You get to see it for free and the author get doesn't get payed.

Why do they need any workers at all if they already have supercomputers?

>>74165916

What? 2spooky4u?

>>74164807 (OP)
I liked this idea better when Futurama did it.

>>74165901
Maybe other people are not only suited to manual labor, but want to perform it. Not everyone wants to be a scientist or something.

>>74165872
I'm pretty sure Franklin knew Hobbes he just disagreed with him.

>>74165916
It's a real crapshoot when nips try so say english words. It can either be endearing, hilarious, annoying or a combination of the three.

>>74165735
Pretty sure the word 'happiness' was specifically mentioned.
>>74165864
You'd be less likely to quit, take leave. More likely to work overtime, try your hardest, etc
>>74165694
Being happy and being a real man are not mutually exclusive, just unrelated.

>>74165916
>Did anyone else got tired of seeing people complaining like 100 times about SPOOKY BOOGIE
FTFY

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>>74165916
>not getting a boner whenever mc-chan said spooky boogie

>>74165336
>that's what the communist countries once had tried and utterly failed.
Implications.

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>>74165916

I liked it.

>>74165836
>anime
>realistic

>>74164807 (OP)
hey look at the bright side, at least they're vault hunters

Captcha: career takeship

>>74162941 →

>>74165942

Because there are some specific jobs that can only be carried by humans. The factory was an example.

Also, if machines do everything and people are left without having to do something they go either insane or start killing people for fun.

>>74165425
>No I dropped out of school because I hated doing the same thing over and over and it being viewed as if it was an EDUCATION.
Repetition is one of the base principles of learning.

You would know this if... you know.

>>74165977
I'm mature enough to choose my path on my own. A system like that is not necessary.
>happiness
Akane's friends didn't look that happy to me.

>>74165425
>>74165941
>payed
Why can't tripfags spell "paid"?

I will sign up for any society that can make an Akane.

>>74166077
What do you really know beyond the field you work in?

>>74166047
The ancient Greeks had slaves to produce everything needed for them, but they didn't go insane

...yeah, I know they all ended up gathering in the forum to do HRRDRRPOLITICS and went literally gay for each other.

>>74166077
>I'm mature enough to choose my path on my own. A system like that is not necessary.
You're not a society, you're part of it. Take it or leave it.

The system has its flaws especially regarding crime management, but I'd still love to live in PP's world. Take me into your ample bosom, SYBIL.

I'd probably end up like Shusei but I'm willing to take my chances.

>>74165540
>because surprise surprise the government is "helping" them by giving the citizens entitlement programs such as social security put them right into the hands of the government
Basic social security systems are "entitlement programs" now?

>>74165524

Yeah, because treating a correlational study like as establishing causality is a great idea.

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>>74166041

>>74165916
Yes.

>>74166153
The poor need to be allowed to become homeless, and then executed for homelessness.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of the homeless, sick, and poor" -Ronald Jefferson Paul

>>74166153
Welcome to American politics in 2012.

>>74166153
There is this country called the USA where people believe universal health care is a government's conspiracy to enslave the US citizens
You think I'm joking? I wish I were.

>>74165767
>The system cannot possibly calculate all of the factors that affect my happiness,
It can. That's the whole premise and yu can't argue with that.

>unless it analyses a mind upload of me,
Well, it does. How else would they create a "psycho pass"?

>in which case it's deeply immoral.
Why?
It apparently ensures happiness and efficiency for almost the whole society.

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>>74166231
>tfw a significant number of americans are actively working to set the country back a century

But I already work in a factory doing manual labor, and I earn more than most people who went to university.

>>74165767
>>74165806
>>74166240
Well the premise seems to be it can only do it so accurately, hence the rapeslut being re-evaluated.

>>74166096

>payed

payed 1 (pd)
v.
A past tense and a past participle of pay.

>paid

paid 1 (pd)
v.
Past tense and past participle of pay1.

Both valid.

Why is it any different from a super computer telling you what you're best and will bring you happiness versus a human consular that does the same thing?

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>>74166340

Because one lack the heart.

>>74166333
>Well the premise seems to be it can only do it so accurately, hence the rapeslut being re-evaluated.
Did you watch the show? CC takes current state of mind into account, therefore it can change pretty quickly.

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>>74166340
Because we have retarded people posting in this thread, aka murrikans.

>>74166384
It took the current state of mind to be irreparable.

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>>74166299
You can blame it on the Jews.

>>74166422
But Zion is our greatest ally?!

>>74166420
>irreparable
[citation needed]

>>74166422
Adolf-kun must be very upset with the pic for his copyrights being severely violated.

>>74166333
>Well the premise seems to be it can only do it so accurately
Exactely. The system is much worse than human evaluation, thus useless.

>>74166303
The problem is that your upward mobility is limited unless you have higher education.

It's quite normal that people doing hard, manual labour earn more than university alumni at the beginning, but both of their pay increases oer time, the latter one's much more rapidly and the former one's caps out after some two decades.

Physical labour is also very straining to body and mental health, making you more prone to illness.

>>74166340
A counselor asks a patron his interests and hobbies. Does a man know his interests and hobbies?

I'd rather have my data mined browser history paired with some kinda camera + facial recognition software tell me for sure.

>>74166340
Because you can talk to and argue with the consular.

>>74166422
It was in fact the Nazis who caused all that.

>>74166008
My shortest waifu yet. ;_;

We politics now?

Sybil's system IS flawed. The show is about how people living in a society where everything is decided from the moment they are born are eventually oppressed.

Maybe Shinya could have been something more than an enforcer, but Sybil decided that he couldn't so he might never know. The same happens with that raped girl on the first episode, Sybil decided that she was hopeless and yet, due to the circumstances she changed.

So having a system that decides who will you be and what are you going to do based on circumstantial evidence, with no other option than to follow it, cuts off so many vast possibilities of what you could become that you end up stuck in an oppressive state. You'll never find out if you could do well in other job or whether you could have had other kind of life because Sybil never let you.

I wouldn't mind since I would probably end up doing what I want to do anyway. But I'd be against it because freedums.

>>74166577
>The show is about how people living in a society where everything is decided from the moment they are born
If everything is decided in the correct manner, then how is it not perfect?

>>74166516
>The problem is that your upward mobility is limited unless you have higher education.

No - that's a fallacy used to trick gullible libtard middle class children.

Plenty of people who now own mulitmillionaire businesses started small, heck even in Mcdonalds they boast of having numerous senior managers working on the til at first.

The important thing is gaining relevant industry experience and setting your sights high.

The value and worth of a degree is increasing getting diminished anyway and industries openly prefer people with relevant experience over a degree anyday.

>>74166614
The correct manner is not always the best manner.

>>74166577

it's also part of the humans using said system because they don't even bother to think by themselves anymore. If Shinya had shot the girl just based on what the dominator said he would have never found out if she could recover or not.

>>74166622
You are delusional. The American Dream is bullshit.

>>74166614

>If everything is decided in the correct manner

But that's the point - is it correct?

We already saw in the first episode the error of the SYBIL system.

>>74166614

> correct manner

it's not about whether it is "correct", it's about freedom of choice.

>>74166632
Awww, look at you, resorting to arguing semantics that quickly.

>>74166658

So's also your average liberal arts degree which middle class libtard lap up as though they even mean anything.

>>74166664
What error? I see no error. Only error in human judgement and execution. If the man had been picked up the moment his hue check failed, then there wouldn't even be rape. Checkmate.

>>74166118
They also excelled at sports, arts and philosophy, and would've probably done so in sciences if they had the means. Just a thought.

>>74166535
But you don't know if the counselor is giving you good information or not. The counselor is still after all human so the counselor is prone to bias and mistakes due to their "feelings".

The Sybil System while probably not perfect is still greatly better than what we have where counselor's basically tell you to "do what makes you feel good and in your heart" parroting the crap from Mr. Rogers.

>>74166536
You bitch and whine because of MUH FREEDOM AND FREE WILL?

>>74166622
The most important thing is that not everyone is cut for university education. Simple as that.
You can just slide through most easier courses and earn that amazing Master Degree in useless shit, but at this point you have wasted few years of your life and you'll be one of the many unemployed people. Should've went for welding, bricklaying or something like that.

A lot of people think that education is the way to success, and while it most certainly is, not everyone can or should pursue that. Because of that shit you end up with countries where there's so little manual laborers that an engineer overseeing them earns about 30% of their wage.

>>74166622
>No - that's a fallacy used to trick gullible libtard middle class children.
I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious that there are exceptions, but for the vast majority of people it still holds true.
The exceptions only apply to especially special people with very unique talents and sadly most people aren't special.

The bank I'm working at, for example, has a section manager who's been working for 30 years here, is loved by people and known for his talent, but people don't allow him to gain a higher position (board of managers) precisely because he lacks official higher education.

>>74166622
Alright, show me the percentage of these "multimillionaire's business started small and became successful".

>>74166796
Because it's a damn BANK. It needs to seem responsible to the customers. Having a man with no official education, no matter how talented, on the board does not seem trustworthy.

>>74166767
>You bitch and whine because of MUH FREEDOM AND FREE WILL?
Yes. Now shut up.

>>74166836
Apple

>>74166855
The same thing applies to managers of all sorts.

>>74166888
Addendum: Note that every firm having investors needs to look trustworthy, otherwise they wouldn't get investors.

>>74166872
Cool percentage.

>>74166888
Not really. You don't trust your savings, stock or whatnot to _every_ manager.

>>74166872
I'm asking you to show me WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE of the poor people who become successful.

>>74166231
>There is this country called the USA where people believe universal health care is a government's conspiracy to steal even more money from people who work to transfer it to people who don't work, thus creating more civil unrest and an easier to rule population.

Yup.

Next time switch on your brain for half a second before posting, retard.

>>74166695

Watch as Urobuchi kills some characters to prove you wrong.

Just kidding. Is both humans and Sybil who have flawed dynamics.

Let's say that the day Shusei was told that he was a latent criminal. Just think about it. Under what circumstances a five year old could be capable of committing a crime? Maybe it was his parents, maybe it was the ambient, maybe it was something wrong with his brain. But in the end, that could have changed and he could have turned out to be a different kind of person. Just as the rape girl changed when Akane tried to calm her down, many of the people Sybil "diagnosed" could have.

Sybil doesn't bother in changing people for the better when they are wrong. It just decides what life they'll have the moment she checks them and that's it, there's no more possibilities. That's the mistake here, she can't do what Akane did.

>>74166916
Note that managers are not exclusive to companies which have investors. And in some cases it doesn't really matter to them.

>>74164807 (OP)
>implying it's any different from modern amurika and japan society in any day

>>74166947
Microsoft

>>74166861
Can you prove there is such a thing as "free will" and "freedom"?

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>mfw people defending the Sybil system
I know a certain city you'd love to live in.

>>/a/nons discussing EDUCATION and CAREER

I, I thought you guys are neets like me...you liars!
anon-kun no baka!

>>74166947
Roughly as much as people winning the lottery, hah maybe there's a connexion somewhere

>>74166836
Microsoft

>>74166987
Yes. I just masturbated naked on my balcony. Nobody forced me to do it, it was by my own volition, and I was free to do so.

>>74166872
"Apple" what?

Jobs at least visited college, despite dropping out.
He's also been an exceptionally good marketer and had - for the longest time - Steve Wozniak, another uncommon person, who made all his product.

Tim Cook, today's Apple CEO, visited university.
Arthur D. Levison, a chairman, too, visited university.

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>>74166445
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

>>74166560
Try again.

>>74166992
I'd rather have that system decide people (yes, including me) jobs than have to listen to the whining of all those art, sociology and shit majors whining how they have no employment and that they were cheated.

>>74166997
Don't worry, anon. I'm still a NEET like you. Until next year at least ;_;

>>74166981
>Microsoft
Bill Gates was a fucking genius, hence he stopped going to Harvard.
Are you a genius? Is the common person a genius? No. He's an exception.

Steve Ballmar visited university.

>>74166997
But I am a NEET, anon. I haven't had a job or attended a class in 2 years.

>>74167027
You did it due to your environment and indoctrination. Do you believe you would even come to the understanding of masturbation?

>>74166997
Even if we are studying or working, in our hearts we are NEETs.

>>74167131
I am a genius. The world just doesn't know yet. But they'll see.

>>74164807 (OP)
The good thing is that this will never happen.

There's this whole privacy argument. It's also the reason why crime will always exist. We'd much rather nuke each other to death than have something we disagree with decide our lives.

>>74167098
Let them whine. You are too easily annoyed, anon.

It's also a bit ironic that many of us here would simply be targets for enforcement in PP's society.

>>74167154
I kinda learned how to do it myself. I still use the reverse monkey grip I invented at age 12.
I had no idea what I'm doing until I read about it at age 15.

>>74167131
>>74167043
>>74166965
>>74166888
>>74166796

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13845189

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8634862.stm

Just two examples.

The point is that university education is not the only path to a successful high flying career.

>>74167227
That shit is the reason why my underlings earn more than me right now.

>>74167171

A real genius doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. You just ARE.

>>74166987
Free will? Kind of: the uncertainty principle means that you're free to "make your own decisions" (it isn't determinate what you will decide).

Freedom? I'm not sure. We do have some freedom, but it's obviously limited and should be so.

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>>74167227

But we harm no-one.

>>74166961
>Let's say that the day Shusei was told that he was a latent criminal. Just think about it. Under what circumstances a five year old could be capable of committing a crime? Maybe it was his parents, maybe it was the ambient, maybe it was something wrong with his brain. But in the end, that could have changed and he could have turned out to be a different kind of person. Just as the rape girl changed when Akane tried to calm her down, many of the people Sybil "diagnosed" could have.
You're being obtuse. Sybil would put you into a factory. Shusei had the untreatable inclination to become a criminal. You're too stupid to understand this fact so just accept it and stop questioning things above your level.

>>74167277
I know that. But I want the world to know too. That they were WRONG when they told me that my ideas are insane and impossible. I'll show them and they WILL praise me.

>>74167302
>posts a picture of a child molesting terrorist

>>74167288

Trust me, too much freedom creates a chaotic society. I've seen that shit by myself.

>>74167305
>Shusei had the untreatable inclination to become a criminal.
But that's not how reality works. In fact, if you're told that you have an untreatable inclination to become a criminal by a source that you ought to trust you're more likely to become a criminal.

>>74167305

>Shusei had the untreatable inclination to become a criminal.

But that's the thing. Was he really untreatable? The same thing said about the rape girl and yet look how she turned out.

Sybil could be wrong, you can't deny that.

>>74167349
Are you the wandering Jew? Or a vampire?

>>74166961
>
Let's say that the day Shusei was told that he was a latent criminal. Just think about it. Under what circumstances a five year old could be capable of committing a crime? Maybe it was his parents, maybe it was the ambient, maybe it was something wrong with his brain. But in the end, that could have changed and he could have turned out to be a different kind of person. Just as the rape girl changed when Akane tried to calm her down, many of the people Sybil "diagnosed" could have.

It's the price of the system. Think about how many actual criminals have gotten off scot free due to incompetence or the police thinking they were okay.

Both systems have flaws, the flaws in SYBIL are only more obvious because it's not the system we're used to. If you grew up in the SYBIL system it would make sense and our system would seem like a horrible mess.

>>74167003
I don't doubt there are people who have succeed from basically nothing, but it's a foolish endever in the long run to bank on this slim chance you'll some how succeed. It's basically flipping a coin and seeing how many times it will take to land on it's side.

The Sibyl System gets rid of the irrational and luck aspect of life and instead offers you CHOICES in what career you'll be best at.and what will make you the happiness. Because, let's face it most people consider happiness as a roof over your head and a meal on the table. The system gives you all that plus a career not a job a career at what you're best at and never having to be that guy who is at the bottom of the barrel of the work force.

>>74167381
>But that's not how reality works.
Yes it is. You don't have any education in biology and psychology unlike me, so you shouldn't pretend you know better.

>>74167260
The first example shows somehow who got an MBA - university education.

The second shows someone who might've been a criminal (although I doubt it, being China and all).
Not very trustworthy.

Besides, I've already established in my very second post that there are exceptions, but they are what they are - exceptions.
The common person has a much higher chance to gaining a higher position with higher education.

>>74167414
>Was he really untreatable?
Yes. Sybil said so. Sybil is smarter than you unless you have multiple phds. You're welcome to show me otherwise.

>>74167245
Well there you go you did it due to your instincts not because of your free will.

>>74167454
the shape of his face confirms it.

>>74167381

Exactly. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It fits strangely well with the reference to Sybil, now that I think about it...

>>74167487

Don't worry, Urobuchi will do it for me.

>>74167496
I was bored and wondered what I can do with my dick.

>>74167302
We are also prone to be useless, and have pretty perverted thoughts. That shit oughta increase your PP.

>>74167288
You can't have free will because free will would mean you came to everything on yourself. If you're influenced by people or the environment then you don't have free will nor do you have freedom. So why bother with nonsense like that when in reality what people really want is just happiness.

>>74167465
Addendum: Why the hell do you think people report about that?
Because such cases are so uncommon and tingles the workers' "American Dream" fantasy.

>>74167533
You still did it due to your instincts due to your body reacting.

>>74167454
No, it's not. There is no determinate inclination on what a person will be like that ignores their environment.

Also, an inclination to become something does not really mean it will happen either.

But what kind of an education do you have in Biology? A BS?

>>74167620
It was curiosity I tells ya.

>>74167625
>2012
>not having a PhD

>>74167487
>a computer smarter than a person
I don't think you realize how machines work. Their very foundations are different. Also, having multiple PhDs does not mean you're smarter than someone who has one or even someone who has none. Getting a PhD is for someone who wants to do research, this does not mean that person is smarter than someone else.

>>74167575
Actually it does. Being influenced by something else does not mean you do not make the decision yourself. If you had read what I meant by free will you would understand. The meaning is this: your decisions are not determined beforehand. You cannot "divine" the decision a person will make in every single circumstance. You can give probabilities, but nothing certain.

>>74167454

> Talking about his own education on the internet

Sure buddy, and I have education on psychopathology and forensics. Go ahead.

Also, your education says nothing about your actual abilities or basic reading comprehension. Sorry man, it's just like that.

>>74167625

Is it honestly worth discussing with someone so short sighted? Man, can even understand the concept of probability.

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>>74167625
Sure environmental effect plays a large role, but why do you think Sybil will not take that into account? The canon is that Sybil takes a large number of inputs to make a calculation that gives a coefficient that shows your inclination towards crime. We can pretty much do a simplified form currently(personality tests and what not), is it so hard to imagine what a more detailed analysis can do in the future?

>>74167750
I'm not bragging about my education, but rather the very apparent lack in your education. How are you coping with your art major?

>>74167839
He just mentioned his
>education on psychopathology and forensics.
learn2readingcomprehension

All of a sudden at this very moment the DOMINATAH is targeted at you. Are you paralyzed or do you burst into treats?

>>74167750
>Also, your education says nothing about your actual abilities or basic reading comprehension.
I'm pretty sure it does (or at least implies a much higher probability of him having such abilities), but it doesn't mean that he's right.

Reasoning that someone's argument is right simply because he's an authority on the subject is fallacious reasoning (an argumentum ad verecundiam in case you want to look it up).

>>74167839

"How dare you to disagree with me and my flawless reasoning!? You.... You... YOU ARTIST!!1"

Wow you really hurt me there man

>>74167906
The problem comes when an art major is telling a science/engineering major what technology can or can't do.

>>74167902

Paralyzed probably.

If it's Shinya the one who's pointing it at me, I'd just drop my pants.

>>74167740
But if the probability is over 50% then yes you can give a definite answer to something which is why I'm glad science has taken over due to it we have studies that show there percentage on things such as behavior and race.

It is studies that determine the likely outcomes of our lives hence why striving for things like "free will" and "freedom" is laughable.

>>74167906

There are bad doctors, good doctors, bad biologists and good biologists. A simple paper saying you passed years of tests doesn't necessarily mean you're using your knowledge in the right way.

Grades and/or titles don't define your actual knowledge or how skilled to use it you are. Saying "I'm a doctor and because of that I'm automatically right" is dumb if you don't prove WHY are you right.

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Kougami: Freeze! The Law Enforcement Uni! Where is your ID card!?
Akane: May I inspect your hard-drive disk, sir?

How high would your psycho-rate reach?

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IF I MAY INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT:

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Thank you for listening.

>>74167980

Can you even understand how probability works?

Also, just talking about "studies" doesn't do. Fuck, WHAT studies specifically?

>>74167961
>The problem comes when an art major is telling a science/engineering major what technology can or can't do.
Then he can still be right and one has to disprove him by disproven his argument to be right instead of attacking him as a person.

>>74168081

Forest-green is the highest rate right? And blue would be normal...

I don't know maybe a very pale and kinda sad blue.

>>74167771
Because contrary to popular belief personality tests are pseudoscience. And it is pretty much impossible to take into account environmental factors properly. Why? Because it would have to determine what kind of people you can even come into contact with and what kind of contact. The computational power required to do simple judgements on people grow exponentially into numbers that will far exceed even numbers such as atoms in the universe. Unless they have some never thought of model for doing environmental calculations like that it just does not seem feasible. And this means the system would be prone to errors.

>>74167906
>Reasoning that someone's argument is right simply because he's an authority on the subject is fallacious reasoning
Actually this is kind of the case in the scientific community, but then again, people there are verified authorities and this doesn't make the argument correct but a whole lot more believable.

>>74167980
Actually no, if the probability is above 50% you can give an answer to the inclination part, but ONLY with a certain amount of statistical error probability. This is what you seem to misunderstand: studies pretty much always have statistical errors due to the nature of the studies themselves. Even if you do a study on the whole population you would still get statistical errors that you have to manually determine or guess. Sure there are certain methods for getting these values, but it's still not a water-proof concept.

>>74167980
>But if the probability is over 50% then yes you can give a definite answer to something
>>>/highschool/

>>74168081
Mine would be low, because why would you be afraid that you know you didn't do anything wrong or have anything to hide?

>>74168081

Probably pretty low. Committing a crime is too much work for my lazy ass.

>>74168042
>A simple paper saying you passed years of tests doesn't necessarily mean you're using your knowledge in the right way.
But it implies there being a high probability of the person possessing such a paper having such an ability.
Otherwise we wouldn't even use this system.

>Grades and/or titles don't define your actual knowledge or how skilled to use it you are. Saying "I'm a doctor and because of that I'm automatically right" is dumb if you don't prove WHY are you right.
Yeah, that's nice.

I said exactly the same thing, dipshit.

>future society
>great supercomputer and robots
>humans still work

hahahaha oh man that's why I actually hate scifi because it's always so out of tune with reason.

>>74168231
Every time you download an anime or manga or OST.

>>74168148

When someone brings their status to prove their arguments that's the person who's wrong in the first place.

They biologist guy was just desperate to prove himself right or wasn't smart enough to think of something that didn't involve logical fallacies.

So, the one wrong here is the biology whatever for bringing his precious title to prove his argument right. Blame him for shitposting.

>>74168273
>When someone brings their status to prove their arguments that's the person who's wrong in the first place.
I didn't imply otherwise.