>Without the hassle of a download
>WITHOUT
>THE HASSLE
>OF A DOWNLOAD

yougottabeshittinme.jpg

>Kotaku

>>72750994 (OP)
How much crunchyshit pay him for that shill?

>without the hassle of a download

I've never been so mad.

And people don't just torrent. There's IRC, FTP, DDL, etc.

>CR supports the creators
>downloading is a hassle
>free
10/10

What if someone pays for a CR account, but continues to pirate because they want the best quality? No one could tell them shit.

>>72750994 (OP)

Honestly, I think all you 2edgy4me guys who thinks that Crunchyroll seriously doesn't support the developers are full of shit, but I also think this guy is full of shit too.

I have a CR account, pay seven bucks a month for it, and download my anime from HorribleSubs because I don't like the fucking hassle of streaming. Streaming is fucking bullshit. Not to mention I fuckin' buy BDs whenever I get the fuckin' chance, since I have a six-figure god damned job and no kids to support, so his shit about "OH NOBODY BUYS DVDS ANYMORE" is complete trite bullshit.

This guy is just full of shit up and down the alley.

>>72750994 (OP)
it IS free.

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>>72750994 (OP)
I respect their opinion and go on with my life.

Entitled ga- I mean amine fans general?

>>72751430
Free = One week late

WANT FAST SIMULCAST?
LEL U MUST PAY.

the real issue here is the fact that one bluray costs $70 for 2 episodes

if I could get a box set for $80 with a few extra features like soundtrack or whatever I'd buy it gladly

Wonder how many threads will be made about this today

>>72751500
They sell it like that because they know the hardcore fans will buy it. They do what gets them the most money, I suppose. Have they tried other methods? Possibly.

>fight for a noble cause
>make the worst points imaginable

keep it up american anime industry; you bitches are slowly being phased out with English subs on goddamn Japanese DVDs.

I didn't realize that I was 'hassled' when I download.

While he may not understand the benefits of downloading torrents versus streaming, he wasn't completely wrong there--anime fans are far too spoiled these days and anyone who gets upset at the mere existence of streaming anime is an idiot.

If you buy Aniplex DVDs and BD you are directly supporting the creators.

What's your excuse for not buying the dual audio Baccano blurays?

>>72751680

Because I already downloaded the dual-audio release?

>>72751489
Missed it on TV?
Pay $90 for two episodes for the BD.

clicking a magnet link and waiting 2 minutes for a HD-quality episode is "a hassle"?

Releasing things in volumes is a stupid idea. Why don't they release volumes with no extras at a reduced price, and then a boxset containing all the episodes with tons of extras and sell that at the original price?

Western shows do it.

I download a few shows each season, keep one or two of them, then buy hard copies once they're released.

>>72751706
Well, if you're honest about being pirate, then I can't complain too much. As long as you leave your justifications at the door.

People forget that Crunchyroll were the ones making money off of anime piracy from the very beginning.

Whilst fansubbers released anime for free, and because it was a hobby they enjoyed, Crunchyroll were stealing those subs and putting them behind a paywall on their website. They were pure bootleggers.

They were the cancer all along.

Also i've bought the box sets of shows I enjoy, so it's not as if I don't contribute (that being said, hardly any of my money goes back to the studios, and instead it's used to localise bullshit like Dragonauts whilst gems like Dennou Coil and Kaiba remain still unlocalised)

Ideally if I was to spend money on an anime, it would be in the form of a cheque or donation directly to the studio...BUT then, the likelihood is that money goes directly into the pockets of producers and directors, whilst the animators starve.

As a consumer trying to vote with your money, you simply can't.

>KOTAKU
>KOTAKU
>KOTAKU
>KOTAKU

That's almost as bad as Sankaku.

>They provide the same product

No they do not. Inferior video quality and inferior subtitle styling.

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I bought Usagi Drop because god damn it was worth it.

>kotaku
>part of gawker network

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2011/08/30/the-science-of-gawkers-nerd-baiting/

>>72751758

Japanese bullshit.

Speaking of Japanese bullshit, E7 was delayed because they couldn't get a timeslot for it, because the network didn't let them. And the best thing is, the studio PAYS for these slots.

It's the digital age, all of this could be solved by just sticking your stuff online, then the schedule and content of a show is entirely up to a studio's standards, not some bossy old media organisation.

People in the industry refuse to adapt and suffer for it.

Middle men are the cancer of the world.
I'd rather send cash to anime studio's office than give them to some shitty streams indexing website.
I'm already getting the shit I want directly, for free, in the best formats and from a selection of different sub styles that suit my particular tastes no accounts or strings attached.

>>72751406
Six figures? What do you do?

>>72752019

It's the same with everything.

Old men think those pesky young uns are STEALING their shit because they can, not because it is both easier and better.

>>72752048
Professional Masturbator

>Pirate anime
>Buy merch directly from Japan
>People complain that people like me are killing the industry

A $50 DVD through an American company won't support shit compared to the thousands of yen I pay for one figure.

The autistic fags always turn it into sub vs dub argument too, like watching one over the other really matters when everything is dual-audio.

>>72751935
>People in the industry refuse to adapt and suffer for it.
Fucking this. My sympathy for this inane bullshit is below 0.

Torrenting, itself, isn't killing anime. It's a legitimate means of acquiring downloadable material. The people who always torrent and never buy are killing anime. For some reason, the old phrase "guns don't kill people, people kill people" pops into my head.

>>72750994 (OP)

>Laughing elf man
>Shitaku

Now all you're needing is green lex luthor and some daily dose and it's really like I'm in 2009 /v/.

>We're making less money from our anime. Maybe we should make better anime to get more paying fans.

Torrenting is killing the anime industry.

>>72752324
i buy merchandise straight from japan, so you can go eat a dick

>>72752168
>Dub conversation
>Say I prefer Japanese audio with subtitles
>Friends call me a pirating piece of shit
>I buy more anime then all of them combined

Anime "fans" are fucking clueless.

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>see article on Facebook wall
>one was posted by Kyle Hebert
>"Wonder how many of the entitled fan base would agree/disagree with this article?"
>all these Facebook comments below

Whoever wrote that article obviously isn't a poor college student.

It sure feels nice to have given more money to the industry by buying figures from Japan than all those "Holier than thou"-types, who buy licensed anime from American companies.

>>72752324
Fansubs are a better product. Believe me, I buy anime, its often shit, especially the dub-overs. It isn't even the voices that suck sometimes, they somehow manage to fuck up the sound and video quality.

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>>72752463

>having a Facebook

>>72752668
>being an asocial loser wit no friends

>>72752759
>>>/soc/

>Linking to Kotaku

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don't have money for anime?

good news! there are things called "manga" in bookstores, and are the same thing as "anime" or even better. they usually cost around $7-$10 (if we assume it takes 3 episodes to animate one booklet, it's whooping $3 per episode. so cheap!) and will survive the apocalypse if maintained properly. why support something even normal japanese people hate when you can give money to a mangaka to draw more material for anime adaptations you'll pirate later?

>>72752759
>being a Nazi

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Hello, my name is Mr. Snrub. And I come from, uh... someplace far away. Yes, that'll do. Anyway, I say we invest that money back in Crunchyroll.

>>72752668
Some people have an active social life in which Facebook is considered a necessary piece of contact information.
Also...
>>72752790
Having an active social life =/= /soc/ related faggotry.

I am not saying that staying at home all day and never talking to anyone is bad in any way, but lets be honest, that is reality for very few of us.

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you know what would be neat?

buying anime on Steam

I plan on supporting the creators. Just when I'm financially stable.

>>72752943
You're supporting Facebook which is a vile act in itself, so don't be surprised if people are attacking you for it.

You deserve to be hated. Faggot.

>>72752943
I have one to stalk old friends from high school, back when I had friends.
That's ok too right?

>>72753068

No one is bitching here.

We're just laughing at people supporting inferior choices.

I do whatever is convenient.

I stopped pirating games once steam became good.
I stopped pirating movies once I got a neflix.
Give me an easy way of getting good quality subbed anime the very day it comes out in Japan and I'll pay whatever the fuck you want.

entitled defensive pirates on denial

>>72753068
He just admitted to all the anime he pirated or paid other guys to copy. What's the argument about?

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I'm NEVER going to buy something if the people doing it for FREE do it 10 times better, and more conveniently.

Maybe if the people wanting money stop being such jackasses and actually do a better job and start digitally releasing anime with good audio/video formats and resolution, with a variety of good subs to choose from, then I might think about paying for it.

This is the exact opposite of "you get what you pay for". Why would I pay for something that is WORSE and a huge pain in the ass, when the people doing it for free do it better?

>>72752943

>I am not saying that staying at home all day and never talking to anyone is bad in any way

But you literally just did asshole.

>KOTAK
>Licensed some GCCX episodes and didn't do as good of a job making them understandable as the fansub team did

Heh!

Now stop giving shitty gawker sites traffic.

>>72753235
It's a beautiful post to quote( or screencap).
It pretty elegantly displays the stupidity of some people who cannot into logic and do things because of learned social conventions instead of actual cause and effect.
To that guy, paying for a pirated copy is ok beause getting things is ok as long as you pay for it, even though the money goes to a bunch of guys that only copy and redistribute shit.
Yet it'd be wrong to get something for free (and I'm saying free loosely here, since all free stuff of the internet is payed through advertisement sor personal information anyway) even if in the free case there is some revenue coming to the source.
It's a messed up mentallity but one that still exists in most old people that can't graps digital concepts and have a hard time adapting to the new parameters set by the age of information, where information can be freely copied endlessly.

>>72753068
He's right, I should feel bad...

That he was a dumbass that wasted money on complete shit. "I did it, so should you!" Paying for bootlegs is worse than not paying for them. Atleast when you don't pay anything, you can argue it's not a lost sale if you never intended on paying for it. Who cares how long you've liked anime, that doesn't change the fact that you're a dumbass. The sheer fact alone you ever considered yourself a " HURR EPIC OTAKU" alone is proof enough for that.Too bad he'll never see this

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>>72750994 (OP)
Are you kidding me? Now they're saying that anime fans are "entitled"?

>>72753273
Pretty much this.

But a future where anime studios acknowledge foreign fans is a long time away.

>>72753473

Then it's going to be a long time before I stop watching pirated anime.

>Richard Eisenbeis
>Same guy that wrote http://kotaku.com/5947171/sword-art-online-is-the-smartest-anime-ive-seen-in-years-and-its-only-half
+done

I don't even dislike SAO, but to call it anything more then above average reflects pretty fucking poorly on ones taste.

>>72753473
Its not too far off actually, companies are putting English subs on their BD releases more often, so I guess its progress.

moot should seriously ban all gawker sites.

>>72753550

They're a fucking million miles behind their competition, is the problem. Why should I go pay ridiculous prices for probably shitty subs months after the show's aired when I can get same-day free subs which are probably no more shitty?

>>72753473
Anime is better as something niche and secluded, Japan has a horrible record when it comes to trying to be appeal to westerners and if anime ever goes mainstream the moral guardians would go crazy on anime.
They wanted to ban loli because someone made a report about a game with rape.
With social networks and all that fancy shit there would be some "stop lewd anime" movement and then without the fanservice revenue all studios would have to close and we'd have to depend on chinese anime.

>>72752048
PhD in Math. Any job I want. 300K starting salary.

>>72753742
They don't have to try to appeal to westerners. If they did, nobody in the West would watch anime. Including the "entry-level" shit.

>>72752168
Pretty much this. I've spent about $3000 on anime merchandise and figures in the last year.

That's more than some faggot puts towards CR. The industry can suck my dick if they think I'm not supporting it because I enjoy somewhat decent video quality.

>>72753836
He asked you want you do, not your credentials.

>>72753918
>He asked you want you do,
Any job I want.

300K starting.

One time I tried the free trial on Crunchy Roll on my PS3.

It actually studdered and paused once, despite the fact I have a pretty damn good internet.

And the quality was shit.

I uninstalled it and never looked back.

Streaming is cancer.

>>72753993
Carpenter, 300K starting? Gosh.

>>72754072
That's what you get when you have a Math PhD.

>>72753993
>>72754098
So you don't have a job.

>>72752048

I'm a DBA for a Fortune 500 company. Been working there for over ten years now.

>>72754098

Stop having fun with the newfriend.

>>72754159
I have any job I want with a 300K starting salary.

>>72754206
But what job do you want?

>>72753273
>But you literally just did asshole.
Actually, I did not. Read my post again and find me the part where I do so.

>You're supporting Facebook which is a vile act in itself, so don't be surprised if people are attacking you for it. You deserve to be hated. Faggot.
Care to put some reasoning behind your hate?

Entitled? I pirate because I fucking want to. Why the fuck would I pay for streaming shit when I can get better stuff for free?

>>72754324
Any job I want. 300K starting.

>>72754368
(Personal) Information mining

>>72754479
While I can agree that it is an ethical issue that is worth noting, it does not have much of a consequence in actuality.
What exactly could happen which would be so horrible?

>>72754406
But what job pays 300K starting?

>>72754839
Any job I want.

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>>72754368
>Care to put some reasoning behind your hate?
Wait, are you serious?

There's a real name policy.
They don't tell you the information they've gathered about you because it's a "trade secret" (unless you live in the UK).
Facebook "Like"-buttons track your visited websites and actions on these websites even if you're not logged in and even if you've deleted your account.
The Facebook application allows them to make and publish a map of whereever you went and when (since the application tracks you per GPS).
They use images of users for advertising without noticing them since all the images they've uploaded are "owned by Facebook".
Everything is recorded and presumely given to the CIA.
Facebook censors lots of shit for various countries and organizations.
...

There's even LOTS more of shady shit they've done and they're doing..

>>72754975
>Facebook "Like"-buttons track your visited websites and actions on these websites even if you're not logged in and even if you've deleted your account.
>if you're not logged in
lel
>Facebook censors lots of shit for various countries and organizations.
lel 3X

>>72754839
I'm going to put you out of your misery on what that guy's pulling.

https://archive.foolz.us/_/search/text/Math%20PhD/
http://archive.heinessen.com/fit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=math+phd
http://archive.installgentoo.net/sci/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=Math+PhD+Any+Job

>>72754975

How fucking paranoid are you?

Facebook doesn't do that. Google does, and Apple does, but not Facebook. You're fucking retarded. Stop spouting shit about stuff you don't know about.

Facebook is shady, but not that fucking shady.

>>72755105
>>if you're not logged in
>lel
So?

>>72754907
What kind job you want?

>>72751590

>noble

Irrelevant, outdated, and dying cause you mean.

If the anime industry wants to reach out to the rest of the world it will have to be done under the anime industries own initiative and not some greedy unnecessary middleman scheme like CR.

If the Jap studios simply lowered their DVD/BR prices and made them more accessible to the rest of the world they'd see a completely different revenue model open up and with the extra funds and different interests from consumers abroad they wouldn't be stuck pandering to Jap otaku.

>>72755105
but the worst is that facebook is filled with people like you.

>>72755195
Any job I want. 300K starting.

>>72753080
>Using Facebook
>Supporting Facebook

What?

>>72755254
Okay. STAHP.

>>72755186
>How fucking paranoid are you?
>
>Facebook doesn't do that. Google does, and Apple does, but not Facebook. You're fucking retarded. Stop spouting shit about stuff you don't know about.
>
>Facebook is shady, but not that fucking shady.
Oh, they don't?
On what basis are you claiming that?

Because you "trust them"? Do you recall what Zuckerberg said about "stupid fucks trusting him"?

>The fansubs that release in like a day are usually pretty poorly translated, so I tend to wait for better ones that take like a week. I only took like 2 japanese classes and I catch things they could have translated more accurately, but I guess that's what you get when you have to sub something at the speed of light, heh...

>A lot of Fansubs are downright terrible. Many just being crazy literal translations that hardly make sense in English in the name of being purist.
Many are so bad that any sense of character in a character's way of speaking is lost.

>True facts! People who think fansubs have "better" translations kinda blow my mind. Fansubbers translate by ear. And many do a fine job of it. But legal simulcasts' translations are based off of scripts which are often acquired early, meaning they have more time and more accurate materials to work with to boot.

Are these african american gentlemen being serious?

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>>72750994 (OP)
>and without the hassle of a download

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>>72750994 (OP)
>mfw
>me on the right

>>72750994 (OP)
>American anime industry.
Why dis nigga actin' like we all murrican?

>Shittaku

and this, gentlemen, is how you make a shitton of money easily on the internet

Maybe I'll start my shitaku too.

>>72755359
>Oh, they don't?
Addendum: Some sources for things "not happening".

>There's a real name policy.
Well, that one should be obvious.

>They don't tell you the information they've gathered about you because it's a "trade secret" (unless you live in the UK).
www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-releasing-your-personal-data-reveals-our-trade-secrets/4552

>Facebook "Like"-buttons track your visited websites and actions on these websites even if you're not logged in and even if you've deleted your account.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/facebooks-privacy-lie-aussie-exposes-tracking-as-ne
w-patent-uncovered-20111004-1l61i.html
http://www.nikcub.com/posts/logging-out-of-facebook-is-not-enough

>The Facebook application allows them to make and publish a map of whereever you went and when (since the application tracks you per GPS).
Can't find a source, but it's in agreement with their ToE.

>They use images of users for advertising without noticing them since all the images they've uploaded are "owned by Facebook".
http://www.itworld.com/internet/134677/facebook-ads-use-your-face-free
Also, read the ToE. They openly state being allowed to do that.

>Everything is permanently recorded (and presumely given to the CIA).
http://therumpus.net/2010/01/conversations-about-the-internet-5-anonymous-facebook-employee/?full=ye
s

>Facebook censors lots of shit for various countries and organizations.
Source for first half of the statement:
http://gawker.com/5885714/

>>72753153
really? i thought we were laughing at some really mediocre post on some animunewswhatever written by somebody with very little knowledge and understanding on the matter he/she was writing about

>>72755688

Does it even matter?

The American Anime industry (or English/Western I guess) could die overnight and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

With their new laws even the Japanese government is showing us, that they understand if pirate things that air on TV for free anyway. I'm also okay with them for arresting people for BDs.

>>72755892
That's the point. I just don't give a fuck. I'll watch shit raw if I have to. But not like fansubbers are going to die, anyway.

>>72755359

Do you... Do you understand what Burden of Proof is? YOU are the one accusing Facebook of doing something. YOU are the one who has to prove that Facebook is doing that.

Jesus christ you stupid paranoid tinfoil hat retard.

>>72753462
>Are you kidding me? Now they're saying that anime fans are "entitled"?

oh wow they're pulling that shit in anime now?

next there's gonna be,"tropes vs women in anime"

>>72753068
lel But we can watch in HD on the same day, so why should we give a fuck as to what they did then?

The site is called
>Kotaku, The Gamer's Guide

Why they talk about anime in it?

>It's there, free, on demand, in English
>Sorry, due to licensing limitations, videos are unavailable in your region.

>>72755988
It's common knowledge that Facebook is doing it, but fine.

Proof is here:
>>72755797

>>72756061
The guys paying for the shill didn't actually bother to look at the blog past its name

>>72756061
Probably because they were losing page views after how shitty their articles became, so they decided "Fuck it" and started writing about Japan

>>72752759
>having a private life

are you like 12

As a continental European all streaming websites are shit because of license bullshit.

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What was the causes for the 'death' of the anime industry:

-Western Distributors didn't market their products to the general audience, only to the niche audience through small venues like anime conventions and their own products. How are new fans suppose to be obtained if you aren't marketing to them?
-They focused their product almost exclusively on Dubs in order to make themselves seem more useful. Their logic was, if people keep acting xenophobic and preferring dubbed anime over the original Japanese, then western distributors would always have a purpose for existing. Because even before the internet came along, you could get a fansub or bootleg of the original Japanese for a fraction of the dubbed cost. The only thing keeping western companies alive was peoples ignorance and love for dubs.

Put both of these together and of course, when the internet hit, even the most ignorant people learned of quick and free anime coming straight from Japan. And western companies were in trouble, because they hadn't established a strong market. Plus, their 'core' market was made up of the most lazy and ignorant people out there, who were just as likely to go off and pirate the product online or watch something for free on Adult Swim than buy it on DVD.

And now you know why anime distribution is dead in the west.

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i usually stream my animu into a fileon my harddisk.

cool thread OP, one hell of a way to tell how picture not related

>>72756124

None of the stuff in the sources you linked are half as evil as you're making them out to be. Stop being such a tinfoil hat wearing loon.

>>72756664
Who cares if it's dead in the west? Do any of us here get animu from western sources?

>>72756711
my ISP is pretty much western

>they think CR money doesn't go to the creators


I KNOW you guys hate CR, and I KNOW that they're fucking pieces of shit, but CR has corporate bosses in Japan's animation/publishing industry who invest in it.

Of course, money in CR goes back to Japan's producers who PAY your studios and creators the money they get.

Hate CR for being jackasses.
But hating them because you think money doesn't support the creators is just retarded.

The circular reasoning...

>>72756811
That's not what "western anime distribution" is, though.

>>72751317
know any decent FTP sites for anime?

At this point, the only "professional" DVDs I could give a shit about are the gag dubs. I'll consider getting the Ghost Stories, the Shin-chans, and the Hetalia's, but I'm not buying Ouran High School four years after I watched it, complete with shit dubs, done over OPs and EDs, and awful bonus content.

You know, if they started translating drama CDs and including them in the packs, I might consider it. As of now, I'll stick with my allegedly "crazy literal fansubs."

>>72756922
really??

I am a NEET with no disposable income. Do you think I can afford an account on some fancy streaming site? Fuck you. I will download whatever I want for free.

>>72756711

>Who cares if it's dead in the west?

...OP was linking an article talking about the American Anime Industry. I was describing why the industry 'died'.

Also, while most people probably won't believe me, I saw everything I described above coming in the late 90s. It was a horribly flawed business model and I knew they couldn't sustain it. The internet with things like mIRC, hotline, newsgroups, FTP servers and finally torrents just sped up its eventual demise. And I'm glad they died. Companies like ADV, Viz, 4Kids, Media Works and the rest deserved to die.

>>72751802
who's subs were they stealing?

The american industry is in trouble because they kept on showing the same old stuff and now they can't find buyers.

European market is alive and happy.

Why hasn't anyone said anything about Shinji turning CR into a paysite overnight and stealing subs?

Oh, that's right. Because they're all children.

>>72757140
france and manga: verily, animu, not shure.
rest of yurop: LOLNO

I buy merchandise from Japan. Which supports the anime industry more then having a CR account does

>>72757297
The rest of europe is irrelevant in the market department, france alone buy as much as europe + middle east.

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Speaking of Blu-rays, apparantly the Horizon II blu-ray doesn't even come with the clean ED

>>72757297
This is how big anime and manga is in France. It has the biggest anime convention in the world. Even bigger then in Japan, not surprising since they have all of Europe while Japan has just Japan but still pretty impressive

>linking to shitaku
Window closing in 3. You should know by now, fag OP.

>>72757140

>The american industry is in trouble because they kept on showing the same old stuff and now they can't find buyers.

This is true. A large reason the American industry is dead is because the main people who would buy anime are only interested in the few shows that came out on Adult Swim. This is also why the majority of the people you see obsessed with dubs are obsessed with dubs from 10-15 years ago...the same dubs that came out on Adult Swim and Toonami (DBZ, Cowboy Bebop, Eva, GitS, Samurai Champloo, FMA, Kenshin, etc).

>European market is alive and happy.

Not really. The people in Europe have a similar symptom going on. You guys just got more shows shown on TV over a longer period. But I haven't heard sales for new shows outside of those selling well. Just like in America, in Europe a newly released anime DVD with no marketing sells poorly.

In America, companies tried to release shows like Utawarerumono, Princess Tutu and Hajime no Ippo with no marketing. And they sold horribly. I bet you its similar in Europe for shows that weren't aired on TV or hyped.

>>72757542
>>72757297
Apart from the Big 3 and some entry level stuff the market is pretty much like everywhere else.

>>72757700
Fuck anime, the France cunts are getting a lot of manga and not just the popular shounen ones.

>Suddenly, the people most likely to buy anime DVDs had already seen the entire show years before and had since moved on. How could any company compete with a free, English-subbed, DVD-quality anime coming out mere days after it aired in Japan?
Just like how broadcasting anime on TV was death to BD/DVD sales in the Japanese market, right?

>>72757893
I honestly don't get why Japs buy BDs with just 2 episodes in them, though.

>>72757810

>Fuck anime, all that matters is Manga

Manga and Anime are two different markets. OP and I were talking about the anime market.

>>72757940

Because its always been like that. If you think buying a Blu Ray with 2 episodes for $40 is bad, remember that back in the 80s and 90s, they used to buy Laserdisks with 1 episode for $50-$80.

>>72750994 (OP)
I would support the creators, but importing non-translated BDs from Japan isn't really an option.

I like the idea of services like Crunchyroll, but as of yet I don't feel what they offer is worth paying for - give me the option to download video at the same quality as something fansubbed and maybe I'll be more interested. It doesn't help that CR wasn't even able to pick up a number of shows this season - what other choice do I have than fansubs?

>>72757940
Because they are ones that buy anime and no one else. That's why it's selling on such a high price.

Think about it. If anime was cheap, but overall sales were like from 2 to 3 thousand more, it would be their lose. There just aren't enough customers in the market, so the price is high because the one that are in will buy it anyway.

>>72751393
i Have seen this Happen IRL

>Stream crashed
>Fucked i download it instead

Funny thing is that you could Share a CR account with a lot of people

The one my Friend uses is some rich kids

He´s nice but unfornatly hes a Shoe

>streaming anime

>>72758199
It's the new "cool" thing, like OnLive. lel

>>72753918
>not knowing /sci/ memes

Free
No ads
HD quality
(usually) Competently subbed
Available hours after airing in Japan

That is what you are competing with. That is what you have to beat. If you think building a system that supports creators is hard facing that competition you'd be right. It's probably impossible. In order to beat torrents they'd need to make something that was free, ad free, HD, subbed, that streamed live and was available for download afterward. They'll never do that. There'd be no money it. That's the situation we are in. The content industries will be supported by a small amount of people with enough money to buy disks and pay for TV and subscriptions the rest of us will get it for free.

This Thread made me think about a Party i went to in 07´

This girl hade nice donks and i remeber the sun setting down and....wiow man she like you know did those

Crazy brazilian moves amnd shit

and tere was a guy with flames sticks man

that was trigged memory >>72756688

feel free and also buying shit doesent mean that the creators got the money back

Read this

You will smart http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05

>>72758366

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

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>>72758416

Crunchyroll buys licenses, which goes to the creators. There isn't a _direct_ relationship between money you give to Crunchyroll and money Crunchyroll gives to creators, but that's just how economics works in general. Business works through intermediaries, and firms and individuals negotiate payment systems which might not be able to take all revenue.

That being said, fuck no I don't have a Crunchyroll account.

>>72758479
I laughed at this picture because you just know he was talking to some nutjob christian that said something retarded

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>>72753177
>mfw marathoning x-files on netflix

God I miss netflix.

>>72758366

They could have beaten all that, if distribution companies hadn't been cocky and spent the 20+ year head start they had establishing a strong market. By marketing their product to the general market outside established anime fans and giving people a reason to want to buy anime besides 'lol bad dubs are better than listening to Jap'.

But I want to reiterate, I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad companies like ADV, Viz and 4Kids are dying or dead.

>>72758610
You can't even imagine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjoEgYOgRo

>>72758708
Oh God

>>72750994 (OP)
>shitkaku
Uh, wait.
>shitaku

>>72756061

Kotaku regularly attacks Japan/anime because they started taking bribes from gaming companies to make them look good, and people caught on to their bullshit, so they need a new source of views.

well to be fair, the gap in quality between streaming and downloading is getting smaller and smaller.

I'd never stream anime because it's an animation, the effect the line quality can have on overall aesthetics is huge, but I'm guilty of watching Netflix every now and then though blu-ray quality is fantastic on a huge screen.

>>72759336
XD

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>>72757200

We all already know about that.

>>72759475

I think he meant on the Shitaku article.

>>72759475

THIS. I'll gladly watch Hulu streams of licensed anime despite the shitload of ads, but I'd rather torrent than use crunchyroll.

>>72754975
>real name policy

Are you shitting me man, all my info on facebook is fake and they don't do fucking shit. And not even convincing fake like John Doe or whatever.

>>72756694
>None of the stuff in the sources you linked are half as evil as you're making them out to be. Stop being such a tinfoil hat wearing loon.
Stop being a sheep and rabid Facebook fanboy upon being faced with such hard facts.

Meh, I prefer manga. If I care about supporting the creator at all then I buy the manga because I like to see both. I also might start buying boxsets. Regardless, all of this shit is implying that the anime/manga industry couldn't run on Japan alone.

>>72760312
>Are you shitting me man, all my info on facebook is fake and they don't do fucking shit.
Then you're...
1. using Facebook not like a "normal" user
2. under danger of having your account deleted once they find out about it.
Facebook encourages ratting out of people that create or manage fake accounts.

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>>72758416

>>72758035
You are one of those lying self-rightous anime consumers. You claim to be supportive but then invent reasons why you willingly refuse to support the industry. All you seem to do is lie about anything and everything in your quest to feel good about yourself.

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>Kotaku

If it's not good enough to buy, then you should not be watching it. Oh, you changed your story to "it's good enough to steal". Okay, I can accept that, but you should have said that in the first place instead of inventing all sorts of lying stories why you are OBLIGATED to refuse to pay for anime.

And the excuse of "it's available for free" is not a usable justification for not paying. If you use that, then you must also allow that the presence of piracy decreases the number of consumers paying for anime. That seems to be a frequent denial by anime consumers who insist that piracy doesn't decrease the number of consumers purchasing anime.

>>72758705
People like you are proof why we need ACTA or SOPA to succeed once we get a republican president again. Then we can go ahead with business-friendly legislation and truly support job-making businesses instead of job-killing pirates.

>>72753068

He's bitching about modern anime fans having it too easy all the while admitting to paying for low quality, bootlegged fansubs.

Awesome. I had no idea Kotaku's readerbase was that fucking dumb.

>>72764329
>Awesome. I had no idea Kotaku's readerbase was that fucking dumb.
Kotaku is a business making money. So it's lucky to have found its economic niche. Of course, the best is that Peter Payne who owns various exporting companies such as J-List and some of the hentai game companies. Because he's the only advertiser on a lot of sites, that essentially has turned those sites into promotion companies for him but for which he doesn't have to pay any salaries since his payment to a lot of sites is only a percentage of the first order of new customers. For others, he has a graduated flat rate.