>80,089 Madoka [DVD+BD]>63,992 Nisemonogatari [DVD+BD]>4,005 Nichijou [DVD+BD]>9,600 Hyouka [DVD+BD, projection]
But KyoAni did nothing wrong.
>>67662846He better watch out, KyoAni is gaining
Speaks tons about the fanbases
I lol'd moderately for some reason. Probably the picture.
Yes, and?
>>67662846You forgot Japan Media Arts Festival - Animation Grand Prize 2011
It's over, KyoAni is finished.
>>67662870>niwakaI fucking lost it
>>67662869
Yet K-on! has earned more than everything he has ever done combined.
>>67662870Funny because fans of Kyoanus are niwakas too.Like a certain tripfag.
>>67662922Don't forget Haruhi.
It's not like KyoAni is poor.
>>67662846>80K to 63K (-17K/ -20.1%)Shaft: Decreasing of sales>4K to 9,6K (+5,6K/ +139.7%)Kyoani: Increasing of salesoh shit ningga
>>67662922>>67662940>>67662946>buttdenialHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHfucking pathetic
What do you expect from KyoAni when they all look like this.
>>67662967>denialK-on earns near Precure levels of money.
It's supposed to be SHAFT vs Gainax.
>>67662967Whatever you say dude.KyoAni is fucking rich.
>>67662967>SummerEven more pathetic.
>>67662960The Madoka sales are accumulative since its release whereas the Nisemonogatari sales are first week sales. Madoka's first week sales for the first volume were 62k, so Shaft is increasing as well. The more you know. Also, that's ignoring the big drop from K-On earning around 40k down to Nichijou earning 4k.
>>67662846This really shows how far aggressive stealth marketing can take you.Though I'm 100% sure both Madoka and Nise have more going for them plotwise.I mean, it's going up against Nichijou and Hyouka....Still, Madoka a shit.
>>67663005Madoka and both Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari have outsold K-On.
>>67663021Can you explain to me what stealth marketing means? I'm kind of retarded
fixed
>Negima movie: 40 million yen (split with Manglobe)>K-ON movie: 1.9 billion yen
>>67663008>Nise vs Medakamy fucking sides
>>67663041Perfect
>>67663008Gainax doesn't make anime any more, Rebuild 3 fucking when?!
>>67663008Can anything outsold Eva?
>>67663019K-ON outsells all of madoka ten times in merchandise alone.That's without counting the Movie and BD sales.
>>67663031You do realize there are more ways for the Studio to make money than Blurays right?
Who cares what Hyouka sells? It's getting its 22 episodes and it'll be over because there's no more source material.
IT'S TIME TO PRINT MONEY. WE NEED MORE HARUHI KYOANI
>>67663061The World of Golden Eggs season 1
>>67663057That's not Gainax though.>>67663039Viral marketing. People pretending to be fans of the show and building up hype for it on boards.
>>67663021>Nise>plot
>>67663057>Rebuild 3>GainaxGainax hasn't owned the Evangelion intellectual property in years. Fucking summer
>>67663062>K-ON outsells all of madoka ten times in merchandise alone.I didn't know K-On had a 10,000+ yen figure that was heavily advertised like Madoka does...
>>67663071>Fighting over studiosAre you guys serious? Does it even matter?
I hope KyoAni gets too financially impaired this quarter and force to make Haruhi S3
>>67663084What I don't get is the aggressive vocal fanbase on /a/. Sure you say Madoka is average at most, but some kids here actually think it's the best thing since masturbation
>>67663099is dis yu're first time in /a/ ?
>>67663096I'm sure K-ON have figures and more than that.
>>67663096http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-06/k-on-by-the-numbers/sales-of-phenomenon-outlinedNote: This is from before the Movie.
>>67663099>impliying i'm a fan of kyoaniI'm happy that Hyouka and Nichijou sold like shit, now they'll have to make more haruhi
>>67663113>K-On! movieI think they will be just fine
>>67663113I just want a Little Busters adaptation by them. ;_;
>>67663133No they don't.
>>67663127Note: This is after K-On had been released for years and only a few months after Madoka aired
>Rebuild 5 billion yen>K-On 1,9 billion yen
>>67663113They are probably booked out for next couple seasons already.A high profile studio like KyoAni does not live from project to project, there will be competition for their time since they only work on one show at a time.
>>67663096Your point?
OP forgot K-ON movie -69140
>>67663125I've been here long enough to hate ironic shitposters like you.But really, does it matter that much which studio makes the anime? I bet every single studio's sales goes up and down every now and then.
Good. Nichijou was awful.
>>67663113>force to make Haruhi S3They are working on it.Probably still in the early pre production.
>>67663164Your point?The fact that K-ON is as strong as it was when it came out shows how big it is.
>>67663123There's no viral marketing on /a/ as much as "sutema" on 2ch/2chan.But there is always a vocal as fuck fanbase for every series. Except that this one got a bigger one, and which is probably deserved considering it's hailed as a masterpiece, and got a prize for anime of the year 2011.
>>67663167How long do we have to wait until something can outsold Eva appear?
>>67663183My point is the argument that K-On outsells Madoka based simply on merchandise is only valid when ignoring Madoka's own merchandise and how popular said merchandise is.
>>67663039It means marketing a product in a non obvious way, as in stealthily giving it exposure (in this case very positive exposure) where the target group does not expect it.In this case, they (SHAFT) for instance paid well-known and popular "summary blogs" (summarizes and tells about the reaction of certain social websites) to filter out any negative critique their products (Madoka etc) got. This also includes giving it more exposure, as well as entirely fabricating threads and posts, complete with fanart and everything. Some of it even suspected to come from SHAFT itself.There's a tremendous amount of people who use these sites, mostly niwaka, so the impact of this is easily seen.This was discovered, and the result was that these sites were banned from archiving, but I'm not sure how they did that.Madoka especially has been heavily openly advertised as well, as Shinbo's and SHAFT's only concern is moving volume. Billboards, expensive full-page color ads in mainstream papers, etc...Every trick in the book was used.
>>67663211Sure. Right behind Lucky Star season 2...
>>67663225Pretty sure Nise and Bake already outsold it.
>>67663225Autumn I'd guess, 3.0 is out
>>67663233>SHAFT doing marketingAniplex did.
>>67662846That's it, moeshit is over. Yuri and harem is where it's at.
>>67663229read >>67663127>over 1,050 different items made>Nikkei already revealed that goods tied to the slice-of-life manga and anime franchise have surpassed 15 billion yen (about US$192 million) in sales
>>67663229It's not anywhere near as popular as K-On, though.K-ON broke records in merchandise on it's first year.Madoka hasn't.
>>67663259>Pretty sure Nise and Bake already outsold it.HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>67663253The director and chief animation director of Haruhi are not working on Hyouka.There's must be a reason behind it.
>>67663233i think moot was given money as wellany negative criticism about madoka and a janitor or mod deletes posts
>>67663271Same thing, them being partners.
>>67663285Shut up, gainaxkid.
>>67663290They're likely working on Chuunibyou,
>>67663259Nope, not even close.
>>67663295I don't think so.But moot does slip in some advertising now and then.Criticize madoka all you want, there is much to criticize, just don't go full retard about it.
>>67663309or rather were while Hyouka was being made. I seriously doubt either group is working on anything we know about at the moment.
Gundam is still the most profitable franchise in japan.
>KyoAni makes money>their next show looks better with even greater animation>Shaft makes money>their shows still look like shit; unfinished animation; "lol just buy the BD"
I would just like to say that as much as I wanted season three of "Haruhi", I really want more "Full Metal Panic!"... Like, right now.
>>67663259I don't even think they "outsold it" just considering the original TV-series. Shit is at like 180k /volumeRebuild is at 500k/volumeTotally different tiers here, think Gundam-tier
>>67663321That could be said of any show. There is no perfect anime out there, no matter how hard some one may try and convince you otherwise.
¥22,391,683,900
>>67663359[citation needed]
>>67663315>>67663285By average volumes sold, they have outsold the original Eva series. It also comes back to unreliable sales data from that period, so we can never be too sure as to how much it sold. Also, we cannot factor in rebuild sales until the Madoka and Monogatari films come out, because comparing film sales v late night anime sales is all kinds of retarded.
>>67663333Gundam profits through moving merchandise. Their animation productions cover themselves and a bit more for bonuses and what not, but it's all merchandise with Gundam.It's easily the most merchandise-heavy IP in all of anime.Do you have numbers on that though?
>>67663298No, it's not.It's like saying EA and DICE are partners.Aniplex is giving the money and doing advertising, SHAFT makes the anime itself.And Sutema wasn't the most relevant with Nise/Madoka IIRC, but rather Fate/Zero.
would anyone happen to know the sale numbers for SEED and SEED Destiny?
>>67663345>give KyoAni more time and money>they make a better show out of it>give Shaft more money>they spend it on more shrooms instead of increasing the budget for the series>give Shaft more time>they waste it smoking whatever they smoke and leave it until the last minute like always
>>67663374Don't have the bookmarks with me, but any list you find will agree.In other case, if all you want is to prove nise and bake sold more, is provide their numbers, which is where you'll find the numbers for EVA as well.There's a condensed, summarized and sourced list on ANN I believe.
>>67663386Cumulative numbers might exist somewhere, but I doubt we have any per series.
>>67663417Faggot.
>>67663362>That could be said of any show. There is no perfect anime out there, no matter how hard some one may try and convince you otherwise.What's your point? Because I see none.
>>67663359The original TV series is around 60k per volume, though these stats are unreliable and some volumes did make it past the 100k mark. Rebuild 2.0 sold around 800k, but movies generally sell considerably better than late night anime, with even relatively unpopular films selling over 100k.
>>67663233KyoAni can't claim anything about it, though.
>>67663362Infinite Stratos is the epitome of perfect.
>>67663369>comparing films to TV anime
>>67663233>>67663271Also, Kadokawa was doing the same.
>>67663375[citation needed]IIRC both nisemonogatari and bakemonogatari should lie at around 80k sales/volume, which is about half-way to what we have for NGE.
>>67663408http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/%E6%A9%9F%E5%8B%95%E6%88%A6%E5%A3%AB%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0SEED
>>67663414sounds like a fun job. >drugs all day errday.
>>67663440My point was simply that your hatred of Madoka was pointless. I am sure any show you say is better is hated by numerous people.Also, Madoka is perfect and the awards it got speak for themselves.
Kyo-Ani can suck my dickThat's what they get for neutering Full Metal Panic
>4,005 Nichijou [DVD+BD]LOL. i really hate the guys who like nichijou. i know im in the majority now.
>>67663493>Grimdark edgy girls XD >Perfect>/reddit/
>>67663448That's normal marketing, though.Nothing wrong with it.Viral and stealth marketing are companies pretending to be members of a community to get the people to buy their products.
>*44,106 Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai>24,808 CLANNAD>19,884 CLANNAD AS
People care.
>>67663493Yeah, Skrillex also won Grammy.He' a fucking perfect musician.
>>67663520> look at me I hate popular things
>>67663386Out of the top 5 best selling anime series of all time, gundam holds 4 of the top 5 positions, and if I remember correctly that's only including DVDs, VHS tapes and all that are totally ignored (given the age it's probably a fairly large number). I can't remember the exact place where the figures are but they are there.
>>67663493>and the awards it got speak for themselvesThose awards are as retarded as Obama's nobel.
>>67663528Normal? Yaraon is the viral marketing blog that everyone is talking about.
>>67663537Okay? And?
>>67663546When did that happen?And why?I bet he got it becuase he was the first nigger as president.
>>67663474>>67663446>>67663374Here's your citation:171,100 1995 Gainax___________ Shinseiki Evangelion78,671 2009 Shaft___________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari61,425 2012 Shaft___________ Aniplex______ Nisemonogatari ★(2 vol)http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1972149#post1972149
>>67663544I like fun things. Not grimdark crap. Has nothing to do with popularity.Why don't you go shoot up a school or something mr.Angsty
>>67663546>ended Iraq War>ended Aghanistan War>liberated Libya>didn't deserve the Peace Price
>>67663580>citation>forum postsDURR HURRR
>>67663537Except Skrillex didn't won "best album". He won a specific category. Madoka won the fucking Grand Prix, which is usually awarded to movies.>>67663546That's bullshit. Obama's nobel was bullshit because it was supposed to be for the potential actions, while I really can't see how you can reward the potential of something already over.
>>67663602What if he actually did go shoot up a school? That wouldn't be very funny now would it
>how to make a troll thread on /a/:>greentext>mention madoka>mention Shaft>mention Kyoani>mention sales>post picture of Shinbo
>>67663622>which is usually awarded to movies.Wrong.Get your facts straight.Awards don't mean shit, much less when the reasoning behind them is retarded.
>>67663545Their main profit source is still merchandise, and always has been. If they can profit from their anime projects, this is only a bonus - the anime projects being since the first Gundam toy commercials to advertise toy robots.Sunrise was founded as a Studio that made anime to move toys, and still is today, but has branched out due to the competence of their animation division.>>67663493Yeah, no.
>>67663632Well it would actually be funny, in an ironic way, if some guy shot up a school because the internet told him to. I'd probably laugh.
>>67663602>Show has death or dark tone>Hurr durr grimdark crap crawwwwlling iiinnn my skinGrow the fuck up. It is okay to like fun things. But just because you are scared of the dark and will piss your pants at something violent doesn't make it bad.
>>67663640Madoka fags are true cancer.Stop trying to fit in.
>>67663233Fun fact: every company does that for their popular shows but it doesn't always work.
>>67663632Well no. But he doesn't like fun he likes suffering and grimdark scenarios involving schoolgirls. So it should be exactly what he is looking for.
>>67663610The most accurate thing we have so far, all sourced and made available.What more could you ask for?If you still aren't satisfied, then at least show to something better.
>>67663580The 180k is an accumulative total. The original release is considerably less, as evidenced by your own source. It is only fair to compare original releases as Eva has 17 years on every other series.
>>67663622>Madoka won the fucking Grand Prix, which is usually awarded to good animefix'd
>>67663651Take the fucking Rei trip off, faggot.
>>67663622>Madoka won the fucking Grand Prix, which is usually awarded to movies.It's not usually awarded to movies.The prize it won ended up damaging the reputation of the JMAF too, fans and audience called it a farce.
>>67663712[citation needed]
>>67663707no.
>>67663712http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Media_Arts_FestivalExcept for 2010 which had Tatami Galaxy, all the previous years had only movies/OAVs as grand prix.
>>67663740ok.
>>67663701>Madoka ends>many people love it, a few haters think it's terrible>haters say it was shit and no one liked it>Madoka wins a majority of the popularity awards>haters turn hipster and say it's just because loser otaku>Madoka wins Grand Prize of The Tokyo Media Arts>Madoka wins Tokyo International Anime Fair 2012 awards>Madoka wins Kobe Anime Award>hates have no where else to turn>the only other possibility is they have shit taste>massive amounts of vapid trolling>mfw
>>67663651But it still generates more profit from anime sales alone than most things will ever see.And that was not what the original gundam was about at all, in fact that's the exact opposite of what it was about. But it turned out that people liked the more realistic and believable robots more than the super hero robots.
>>67663744Based Yamada
>>67663712>It's not usually awarded to movies.Every year except 2010 and 2011 it went to a film. >The prize it won ended up damaging the reputation of the JMAF too, fans and audience called it a farce.Because very rarely does it go to something that doesn't appeal to a mainstream audience (Ghibli) or something that sells well. Madoka sold well and it didn't appeal to a mainstream audience, and the people who usually follow the JMAF don't like that at all, so the hipsters and the mainstream audience had reason to complain. Normally it went to a Ghibli film or something that sold shit all.
>>67663694The original release still comes at a total of 111,558 units/volume, which is more than 80k.
>>67663694Your point?Madoka and Bake will be forgotten in less than 10 years. They will never reach that level.
>>67663756>XD DECONSTRUCTION SO EDGY XD
kyoanus a shit
>>67663712>fans and audience called it a farceyou mean fans and audiences of other shows?also, do you have proof of that or you're just using your memory?
>>67663792Who are you quoting?
>883
>>67663790>Madoka and Bake will be forgotten in less than 10 years. They will never reach that level.I think you are wrong, I think you will enjoy more 20 years of madoka threads
>>67663694Taking only the original release would reduce the number from 170k to around 110k. It's could be more fair, but the comparison is hardly fair to begin with, there is a larger market for home media now than in 1995, easier to move goods, and much more. It's even easier to get the word spread.>>67663712It WAS a farce. Reading the reason for it winning only makes that clear, it's almost they made it sound as ridiculous as possible to point that out.
>>67663414Drugs help create masterpieces.
>>67663776This is the point where I remind you that Oricon data from that time period is unreliable. It could be higher or lower. Also, note the units assigned to 'First Release'. >First Release: initial individual volumes run.>initial individual volumeIt shows the sales for the first volume of the series released, not the average volume unit. Aside from unusual circumstances (Bakemonogatari), the first volume generally sells higher than any other. If you look up the oricon data for NGE, you'll find the volume average is around 80k
http://animapple.blogspot.com/p/shaft-faq.html
>>67663790>Madoka and Bake will be forgotten in less than 10 yearstell me a show that will not be forgotten by casual audience in that time without reiterations of the franchise.Evangelion? hahaha, try again.
>>67663856madoka haters are delusional as ever>Hideaki Anno>This is really good, Kyubey. Be it getting rid of lip-synching, or working it as a character, doing it so thoroughly makes me feel great. And the symbolization of the witches is also skillfully done. The music is also good. My urge is to own the three BGM tracks like the "salesman's theme" which I love, got me to buy Vol. 2 of the Blu-Ray. Ep. 10 was good too. The way HomuHomu was depicted was good. I think in terms of the released form of anime works, going for a movie series instead of another TV series is a good way to establish it even further. I have high expectations of it.>Mamoru Oshii (Japan Media Arts Festival judge)>Madoka is the first "god-tier" anime since Evangelion.>Yutaka Yamamoto>Stop Cancelling Our Anime! There’s no need for “self-estraint” with anime. There is no need to cancel Madoka. Now of all times, Madoka must keep crying out the truth of humanity.>Kazuo Koike(Lone Wolf and Cub & Crying Freeman)>There were many times I felt my heart rending when I watched Madoka Magica. I think it is a great thing to create such touching work. Gen Urobuchi, I could not have such ideas. I admit defeat.>Shunji Suzuki>Madoka might beat Eva, if it hasn't yet. It's not good for relics of the past to stay at the top forever.>Ryusuke Hikawa (Japan Media Arts Festival judge)>For the past decades I've wondered, "Why can't anybody make an anime with as much impact as Gundam using the power of the moe anime genre?" Madoka Magica made this wish come true.>Hitoshi Sakoh>The pairing of Madoka and Homura is just the best!>Rena Matsui>It was a most heartfelt joy to watch scenes like the ED of ep. 10 or when Kyubey gave a speech.
>>67663790>Madoka>forgotten in 10 yearsNot with the way the franchise is going.
>>67663856>>67663856>there is a larger market for home media now than in 1995, easier to move goods, and much more. It's even easier to get the word spreadThis.This is the thing most faggots ignore.A show selling 80k back then would have almost as much impact as a show selling 160k nowadays.
>>67663856Disregard what I posted, very tired.
>this thread
>>67663856>Taking only the original release would reduce the number from 170k to around 110k.See >>67663882
>>67663761>But it still generates more profit from anime sales alone than most things will ever see.That's true for most popular anime though, where the large majority lies below 5k. They still get most of their profit through moving merchandise, as Gundam is a merchandise-driven franchise. It's purpose is first to move merchandise.>And that was not what the original gundam was about at all, in fact that's the exact opposite of what it was about. It's exactly what it was about. Sunrise's then chairman agreed, don't bother him about it.
>>67663856>Kazuo Koike (Lone Wolf and Cub and Crying Freeman)数十年描いてきた漫画生活の中で まどかのシナリオは考えられない、想像の上行ったIn my decades of experience writing manga I have never thought about a scenario like Madoka. It went beyond my imagination.まどかマギカを見ていてもジーンとなるようなことが何度かありますそのような感動を作っていくことがいいことだと思いますThere were many times I felt my heart rending when I watched Madoka Magica.I think it is a great thing to create such touching work.虚淵玄、その発想はなかったわ。負けたGen Urobuchi, I could not have such ideas. I admit defeat.初音ミクも好きだったけどまどかで吹っ飛んだここまでキャラにのめり込むのはそうそうないAlthough I love Hatsune Miku but Madoka just blew that off.I could not imagine I could get so deeply devoted to these characters.エヴァンゲリオンの消化不良感を まどかマギカが決着つけたんじゃないかとまでぽろっと言ってるんだなI could even say that with Madoka Magica the indigestion feeling of Evangelion has now finally ended.超能力や魔法設定が支持されるのは世間の閉塞感から生まれるメタモルフォーゼ願望の現れであるThe fact that super power and magic settei got so popular could be a manifestation of a wish for metamorphosis born from the feeling of entrapment by the world.
>>67663901People would still keep making this kind of threads in 2022.
Why are SHAFT haters so fucking retarded?
>>67663907>This is the thing most faggots ignore.Another thing faggots ignore is that oricon data before pre-2000 is commonly regarded as inaccurate and unrepresentative. This is the point where I remind you the only reliable data centered around sales of the Eva television series are the BD and DVD releases which averaged 60k.
Kyoanuses spend much more money(budget) to make their shitty shows with ugly moe art.Shaft got much less budget making superior shows like Madoka that got higher sales also.
>>67663756Even K-on won both the Kobe Anime Award and the Tokyo Internationial Anime Fair.
>>67663882Oricon data IS unreliable. I don't understand why the fuck you guys want so badly believe those bullocks. there's plenty of better reasons to fight.
>>67663927>It's exactly what it was about. Sunrise's then chairman agreed, don't bother him about it.Yoshiyuki Tomino doesn't give a fuck about what the chairman/investors think. They thought that Ideon was a standard hero robot show that would shift mad merch.
It didn't win anything at the JMAF, which is considered the pinacle of anime awards.
>>67663963Eva hasn't had a proper BD release.
Fucking feels like 2009 for some reasons.
>>67663985There is also Sound Scan(it counts POS) and it usually gets more sales than Oricon.
>>67664013Are you talking about Madoka ? Because if you are, I'm a hundred percent sure you're a complete and utter faggot.It won the damn grand prix.
>>67663882>>67663916Unreliable or not, it's what we have to go by. It could be higher or lower, as you say. Oricon data is not reliable either, though you could argue they are more reliable, but I have no facts to back that up.It shows the initial individual volumes, in plural - it's not just the first volume. It's the initial run of the volumes sold.>>67663908suck my cock dude
>>67663985People compare Oricon data to Oricon data, so it's fine.
>>67664017You're right. Sorry, it's late for me.
>>67664042>suck my cock dudeOk.
How to create a shitfest:>1. Mention Madoka
>>67664013Links to
>>67664004YT doesn't even give a fuck about Gundam.He HAS to give a fuck about what they think, since they've ended his series early more than once, and forced changes into it. MSG would have been completely different, perhaps even a flop, had YT gotten his way.The very first thing that was decided with 00 Gundam for instance, had nothing to do with the plot - it was the number of mobile suits they had to include.
Who cares about sales in japan? It's never meant anything to us despite protestations about how it COULD mean something to us, it still never does.
>>67663899
>>67664070>not posting the superior SCHWING version
>>67664076Trying too hard.
>>67663701http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-10/lone-wolf-and-cub-koike-to-create-magical-girl-story>Acclaimed manga creator Kazuo Koike (Lone Wolf and Cub, Crying Freeman) revealed on Sunday that he plans to make a magical girl story called Mahō Shōjo Mimitsuki Mimi no QED (Magical Girl Mimi Mimitsuki's QED). He said during the fifth installment of his live Koike Kazuo no Nico Nico Character Juku (Kazuo Koike's Nico Nico Character Cram School) net show that he was spurred by his excitement while watching the Puella Magi Madoka Magica anime. >The 75-year-old creator had said in August that he disliked the beginning of Madoka Magica, but added that the anime forcefully won him over. On Monday, he continued his praise, saying that watching Madoka Magica made his "blood boil [with excitement]" and inspired him to want to do something himself. "Will I be competing with Madoka Magica? That's my challenge at 75!"Madoka confirmed for now inspiring the masters of manga
>>67663907You know what? I have that in mind at every discussion like this, but its terribly hard to make fit in any kind of non-stand alone post.its just...strange.
>>67663963It's not regarded as either inaccurate or unrepresentative. Its is regarded as less accurate on the belief that the system used to collect data was less verifiable, and relied on human accounting rather than electronic systems.In effect, the actual difference from the truth would be negligible.
>>67664085>Discussion book on hit anime in September; Lone Wolf and Cub's Koike also comments>The Japanese publisher Takarajimasha is publishing a discussion book titled Mado-Magi o Katari Taosu on September 30. The book is a compilation of opinions from huge fans of the Puella Magi Madoka Magica television anime series, including director and scriptwriter Mamoru Oshii (Ghost in the Shell, Patlabor, The Sky Crawlers). The book will cost 1,000 yen (about US$13).>Another well-known anime and manga figure has also recently given his opinion on the Madoka Magica series. Manga creator Kazuo Koike (Lone Wolf and Cub, Crying Freeman) posted his reaction to the series on his Twitter account on Sunday. (Note: The linked posts contain spoilers for the series written in Japanese.)>Koike wrote that there were some parts of the series he did not understand, such as the relationship between the character Homura Akemi and Kyubey. He also acknowledged that he disliked the beginning of the series. Koike further mentioned on his Twitter account on Tuesday that the studio, director, and staff were all high-caliber, so he had high expectations for the series that weren't betrayed. He wrote that the series forcefully won him over.http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-08-09/book/mamoru-oshii-is-an-ardent-madoka-magica-fan
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>>67663963>This is the point where I remind you the only reliable data centered around sales of the Eva television series are the BD and DVD releases which averaged 60k.[citation needed]Also the data isn't much more unreliable than what we have today. It's just guessed to be because it's different.
>>67664085I love this
>>67664137>trolling /a/ handbookHoly fuck, it's like they want people to get mad for the next decade.
Aniplex magic aka stealth marketing.2ch calls Madoka Stemagi now.
>>67664085"a shit"-/a/
>>67664164It had more relevance a year ago when Madoka had received barely any recognition despite the fact it had just finished airing.
>>67664137Most discussed anime in the history of 2ch*. Thread count until last episode aired.>Madoka - 1378 threads>Haruhi S1 464>K-ON! S2 359>K-ON! 354>ANGEL BEATS! 342>Haruhi S2 283>Code Geass R2 277>Minami-Ke 254>Strike Witches 253>Strike Witches S2 233>MacrossF 217>School Days 206>DARKERTHANBLACK Season 2 205>Nanoha StrikerS 191 * 2ch is the mainstream one, biggest message board in the world. 2chan is japanese /a/.Most discussed anime of 2011 according to post numberAnime News Network-Bunny Drop: 21,938-Steins; Gate: 16,849-Mawaru Penguindrum: 15,968Animesuki-Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika: 22,534-Steins; Gate: 18,944-Mawaru Penguindrum: 17,845reddit - r/anime-Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika: 33,373-Nichijou: 29,482-Mawaru Penguindrum: 27,4734chan - /a/ -Anime & Manga-Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika: 56,394-The IdolM@ster: 38,498-Steins; Gate: 35,142
>>67664182see >>67663448
>>67664196You can't be this stupid.
>>67664182Is there any merit to this stealth marketing rumour mongering? Citations please. I'm genuinely interested and I'm curious to see if it's legitimate.
>>67664201And I still wonder HOW THE FUCK COULD THEY MAKE 22000 POSTS ON USAGI DROP ?!
>>67664201>-The IdolM@ster: 38,498How?Did they count all the generals that were barely about the show?
>>67664233It's legit.
>>67664219That's normal marketing.Madofags once again proving how retarded they are.
>>67664081That's always how it goes, it was like that for 0079, the difference is Tomino's opinion of "we need 10 robots" is "that red variant counts as a robot, as does this version that's missing the shield" yes the Gundam was painted bright hero like colours to disguise what was actually going on but the staff working on it knew they were writing a war drama not another hero robot show which the producers thought was being written.Tomino's willingness to lie to the producers is probably one of the most important things in the history of anime.
>>67664235Have you ever been to ANN? It's all moral and normalfags. I bet the premise of a mature family anime that ends in romance would get their blood boiling.
>>67664201How can 2ch be the biggest message board in the world when no one but Japs can use it? Ithink you are either bad at math or wearing lotus colored goggles.
It looks like madokafags managed once more to counter the attacks aimed at them and also score some point in the meantime. I guess the game's done for today...
>>676642522ch bans Yaraon, Jin(Steins;Gate author's friend), etc. now.
>>67664266No, I can get why they'd like it. But what the fuck is there to discuss ? Except for the fact that she is a slut, there's literally nothing to discuss in this.
>>67664233The answer is yes, and it's exactly as bad as you think it is.Just the first result off google:http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nc20120118aa.htmlIt's been heavily reported.>>67664252I doubt it's "normal" marketing.
>>67664247Is it any wonder when idolmaster has like 2 general threads up 24/7 on /a/?
>>67664268Japanese uses more internet and not only geeks nerds and otaku uses it like on 4chan this should be common knowledge by now
you forgot one thing that stupid kyaonus fanbase buying 10 blurays instead like normal people bying onewhere is the shitdex fanbase? I'm missing their too
>>67664182"sutema" is their answer to everything they don't like now. Nyaruko sells well? Sutema. Gaijin like a manga? Sutema. They've made themselves look like idiots by crying so hard about it.
>>67664257I always thought that it looked like a stormtrooper.>Tomino's willingness to lie to the producers is probably one of the most important things in the history of anime.Yep, though it's screwed him over.
>>67664320Exactly like /v/ and viral !
>It looks like madokafags managed once more to counter the attacks aimed at them and also score some point in the meantime. I guess the game's done for today...What do you mean? They haven't countered anything. They never have, not even once.
>>67664315Not only kyoani fanboys do this every type of otaku do this even idol otaku
>>67664268 Because it gets 2.5 million posts every day? By comparison, /b/ gets around 100k posts every day. 2ch also has a large mainstream appeal which many other language messageboards don't. You rarely see housewives browsing messageboards like Gaia or IGN but Japanese housewives browsing 2ch isn't uncommon due to the wide range of subject material covered by 2ch (it isn't just nerd culture, it has news boards and cooking boards as well which are very popular). That and an internet culture is less demonised by Japanese media and thus more socially acceptable.
>>67664290Go browse the threads there and find out.
>>67664312Oh, so you're bad at math. OK.
>>67664276These attacks aren't counterable... they are facts, and the sooner you accept those facts, the less butthurt you will be.
>>67664300What makes viral marketing something 'bad'?
>>67664201>4chan - /a/ -Anime & Manga>-Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika: 56,394>-The IdolM@ster: 38,498>-Steins; Gate: 35,142My three favorite show in 2011 have the most post numbers?Sometime you're alright /a/.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-10/lone-wolf-and-cub-koike-to-create-magical-girl-story"He said during the fifth installment of his live Koike Kazuo no Nico Nico Character Juku (Kazuo Koike's Nico Nico Character Cram School) net show that he was spurred by his excitement while watching the Puella Magi Madoka Magica anime. ""On Monday, he continued his praise, saying that watching Madoka Magica made his "blood boil [with excitement]" and inspired him to want to do something himself. "Will I be competing with Madoka Magica? That's my challenge at 75!"
>>67664322Not really he got Iogi studio where there was a relatively small amount of meddling for a good chunk of his career. I can think of maybe 2 other people who ever had that. Even if the times they did meddle were doozies.
>>67664350Doesn't sound as big as Facebook.
>>67664372>facts>nothing but opinion>critically acclaimed anime>popular as shown by high salesIt's been a year and a half since "Your show will be forgotten in a year !". How long will you keep this act, haters ? Face it, it's here to stay.
>>67664300>On Jan. 1, a comment was made on 2-channel regarding a link on the website of an anime company called Shaft. Within the link — to a Shaft product on Amazon.jp — was embedded a Amazon Affiliates ID tag belonging to a 2-channel summary site called Yaraon. This convinced some people that Shaft and Yaraon — and maybe more companies and summary sites — are secretly working together to promote certain products on 2-channel to make a profit.
>summarizing this threadMadoka still a shitSHAFT confirmed for STILL outselling KyoAniSHAFT+Aniplex confirmed for excessively hyping their own shows via stealth marketing and regular marketingEvangelion STILL the best-selling TV-anime
>>67664414Facebook isn't a messageboard, it's a social media network.
>>67664442>Aniplex confirmed for over-hyping their own shows by marketingfixed that. I'm willing to chop off a nut if SHAFT was the only studio which got stealth marketing.
>>67664442>Shunji Suzuki (Eva animator)>Madoka might beat Eva, if it hasn't yet. It's not good for relics of the past to stay at the top forever.
>>67664442>Evangelion STILL the best-selling TV-animeGolden Eggs outsold it in 2005.
>>67664420I was thinking of how the "facts" were the facts that SHAFT had used questionable methods to fabricate a fanbase for their show.We all know madoka was popular. That's one fact too.
>>67664478Probably many studio do it. Shaft are just the ones stupid enough to get caught
>>67664479>mightDidn't, of course.He's right that it isn't good for old series to be the best forever.
>>67664502> everyone who likes madoka got brainwashed by shafts marketing
>>67664509No, it's just that they're the most popular. SHAFT aren't the ones handling this part, it's Aniplex.
And ? What's so surprising ?Madoka is entertaining and genuinely good, albeit far from a masterpiece.Nisemonogatari is a clusterfuck of fanservice and bad puns. Jap loves fanservice and bad puns.Nichijou was shit, and Hyouka's still shit.If anything, I would be surprised if Hyouka sells well.
>>67664500Right, but does that count as TV-anime, as in a single-run story and not a collection of animation?Golden Eggs DID outsell it of course, but I don't put it in the same category.
>>67664526Not everyone, but how do you know you're not one of them?
>>67664502>Shaft fabricated a fanbase for their showAh,you're right. I'm an Aniplex employee. Every Madoka fan on 4chan, 2ch, 2chan, ANN, MAL etc. is an aniplex employee. Madoka actually didn't make any money. Only aniplex employees bought it. The show doesn't have a fanbase at all.
I would be honestly surprised if all those people from the industry praising Madoka as the Evangelion of our generation weren't paid.
>>67664543Tokyo MX, etc. aired it. Just like Bake, Fate/Zero, etc.
>>67664526Didn't say that. Stop trying and realize you're wrong.>>67664556See above.
>>67664567Well then, change it to EVA is still the best-selling TV-anime excluding Golden Eggs.Golden Eggs really isn't "anime" as we'd define it though, we who don't even define Disney movies as anime.
How does it feel to be KyoAni fan these days - watching from the kids table as the adults argue? This is completely a Gainax-Sunrise-Shaft affair now
>>67664595> implying Gainax made any successful anime after eva
>>67664595>GainaxReally?
>>67664595don't forget A-1
>>67664594Not that different, except many normalfags actually bought it.http://www.veoh.com/find/?query=the+world+of+golden+eggs
>>67664595>Shaft and Gainax anywhere near Sunrise.
>>67664613>Implying Gainax has rights over Evangelion
Can someone explain to me the Madoka hype thingy? I watched it while it aired, and it was extremely underwhelming.
>>67664652>anyone anywhere near sunriseSome of Sunrise's smaller franchises are worth more than some small studios.
>>67664595More like KyAani is at the adult table while Gainax-SunRise-Shaft are fighting in the ball pit.
>>67664667Not everyone is able to understand art
>>67664595What is this premature ejaculation? K-ON movie comes out in a couple weeks. Atleast wait a couple months after that to start your doom and gloom
>>67664658They do, along with Kadokawa and Khara.Gainax is founded by the very same people who are responsible creatively for their anime, meaning Anno & co own part of Evangelion.When the last founding member leaves Gainax, Gainax will not own Evangelion.
>>67664667There's not much to understand. It is underwhelming when you compare it to the hype.
ITT:>Madoka a shit>Your taste in anime a shit>EVA FUCK OMG EVA SO GOOD I WANT TO SUCK ITS HYPOTHETICAL COCK>Madoka's fanbase was exaggerated>Yup, everyone who likes Madoka is actually pretending>Fuck off, that's not what I said>Madoka still not a shit>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE>STOP NOT LIKING WHAT I LIKE
>>67664667> and it was extremely underwhelmingyou have shit taste. But most people have better taste, that's why madoka is so successfulinb4 twilight also sold well
>>67664667It's a masterpiece
>>67664689What do you mean by art? The show was the definition of mediocre. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either.
Yeah I know all of them is shit series, no need to remind me.
>>67664721> It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either.because you say so?
>>67664735I just want someone to tell me what was so "new" or great about it.
>>67664735Look at it the other way:is he wrong because you say so?
Eva is entry level shit that breeds worse fans than Madoka
>>67664721>Media Arts Festival Madoka exposition>Not Art
>>67664761> is he wrong because you say so?Me, and the other 80 000 people who bought it.
>>67663814Don't talk shit about Yamakan, he's the savior of anime industry.
>>67664757Practically nothing. But it was put together well enough, and successfully advertised and sold to a large number of people.That is all it takes. You could have the best anime in the world, objectively and subjectively, but it would never get recognized as long as it just exists in one of your drawers.
>>67664803>objectively Confirmed for fullretard
>>67664800What about the 6bn who didn't buy it?What about the millions who saw advertising for Madoka, who watched it, and didn't buy it?You're shit man.
>>67664803> Shaft confirmed for the Apple of anime
Why is morning /a/ so easy to troll? Not that /a/ is hard to troll at any time of the day, but around now it's even easier.
>>67664822>implying anime can't be judge from an objective point of viewAre you 12?
>>67664822You could objectively analyze it. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but since it won't cover everything I also included "subjective".Why are madokafags so retarded?
>>67664803The concept of an objectively "best anime" is nonsense, and you should be ashamed you even thought it.
>>67664842Because Yuropoors are just waking up.
>>67664837Apple products actually look nice on the exterior. Shaft anime just look like shit to bait you into buying the BD.
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>>67664864>Just waking up>13:32Yeah, sure.
>>67664862The concept of believing something is nonsense without having ever put some thought in it is nonsense, and you should be ashamed you even thought it.
>>67664903If you don't wake up at that time you don't belong on /a/
>>67664906Anime is art. By definition, there is no objective standpoint to observe quality from.
Meanwhile, in good anime>4,640 Penguindrum>5,665 Tatami Galaxy>469 Kaiji>67pt Space Bros
>>67664936>By definition, there is no objective standpoint to observe quality from.So I guess you started trolling now.
>>67664954>PenguindrumStopped reading there.
>>67664954> Kaiji> Space Bros> good
>>67664936An objective standpoint is not needed either, all you need is an objective process.
>>67664936>there is no objective standpoint to observe quality fromThat is some of the stupidest shit I've heard all week.
>>67664906You make the rest of us look bad.
>>67664954My little hipster cannot possibly be this butthurt
>>67664993as if any Rei ever contributed something worthwhile>>67664983And the most objective measurement is mass appeal in form of sales
>>67665007>browses 4chan>uses the term hipster>>>/reddit/That should do it.
>>67664993More like you make the rest of us look bad.I'm entirely right, and you trying to point out something related to the opposite just makes you look a desperate faggot with no argument what-so-ever.
>>67665037nope. that just measures how many copies were sold. it gives no indication of why they were sold and does not measure quality. sorry
Madoka will overtake Eva in time. I like Eva and Madoka both, but it's the truth.
>>67665037>And the most objective measurement is mass appeal in form of salesYou said it there yourself: it's an objective measurement that measures mass appeal in form of sales.Mass appeal. Not anything else.Nice try though.
>>67665037Most objective measurement is elite appeal in the form of awards.
>>67665062Why Madoka. Why not *monogatari?
>>67665062Madoka is already dead compared to EVA at the same point in time.It's even dead compared to EVA now.
THE AUTISM IN THIS THREAD IS THICKER THAN MY CUM
>>67665052> it gives no indication of why they were soldRight, it's not like people buy them because they like it.> does not measure qualityAnime is made to entertain people. The more people it entertained the better it is
>>67665084>Most objective measurement is elite appeal in the form of awards.Again wrong, that only measures elite appeal in the form of awards.Why ain't you even trying?
>>67665037>And the most objective measurement is mass appeal in form of salesSo when film critics look at a movie that's going to come out, they look at the non-existant numbers?You obviously know nothing of how any of this shit works.
>>67665084what do they judge it on?
>>67665109You got a closer proxy for quality?I do: MY TASTES > *
>>67665104Anime is not simply made to entertain. If you think "madoka" is just "entertaining", then that goes flat against everything positive ever said about it.
>>67665084> Most objective measurement is elite appeal in the form of awards.And madoka got plenty
>>67665088Because Madoka has received far more attention from the industry.
>>67665104some people may but that doesn't mean all copies were. also do viewer counts not matter?anime is made for a number of reasons. to say you can only judge it on one of those reasons is laughable
>>67665131>You got a closer proxy for quality?Objectivity fueled by logic.You should try it some time. It will really take you places.
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>>67665133If you don't watch anime to be entertained you're doing it completely fucking wrong. Also you're a pretentious faggot.
>>67665133Something that is neither educational nor entertaining nor aesthetically appealing is essentially worthless.
>>67665175>>>/reddit/>>>/gaia/
>>67665156> anime is made for a number of reasons. to say you can only judge it on one of those reasons is laughableThen why didn't you mention any? Its easy to cover up behind vagueness.
>>67665183if it entertains then it has succeeded at what it set out to accomplish. why does entertaining more people make it better?
>>67665158> Objectivity fueled by logic.That doesn't say anything. might as well just say "my tastes"
>>67665183>If you don't watch anime to be entertained you're doing it completely fucking wrong. Also you're a pretentious faggot.>>67665202You're going somewhere. It's more complex than just being entertaining. Something educational is entertaining, something aesthetically pleasing is entertaining, it's a complex structure and just saying "hurfhurur" all it needs to do is untertaainnzzz is retarded.
>>67665211Time to filter these faggots.It's a good thing the filter also hides anyone who replies to them.
>>67665219i didn't know i was required to>education>entertainment>aesthetic appeal>money
It would be nice if the Kyoani offices and studios burned down in the earthquake. But I guess we can't have nice things.
>>67665158>Objectivity fueled by logic.HAHAHA MY SIDESmore like objectivity fueled by faggotry
>>67665250>That doesn't say anything. might as well just say "my tastes"It said exactly what's written there.What you're doing, is admitting you have no capability for either logic or objectivity. Frankly I'm not surprised.
>>67665276>he doesn't already filter all tripfags
>>67665303It's right though, and you're just mad it is.
>>67665278> anime is made to educateI...what?
>>67665250"my tastes" is basically just "i like it" but some things like madoka lacking a coherent narrative structure isn't really good because nothing indicates it was intentional
>>67665305Some are pretty cool guys who shitpost in threads l do not like. like FPS.
>mfw people don't know what it means to objectively judge something>mfw people probably think music cannot be judged objectivelyI always knew there were a lot of kids on /a/, but jesus christ. Get it together, europe.
I present to you, the average madokafag:>>67665320
>>67665320>summer
>>67665320Some try to tell something about society and the human condition.
>there is no objective standpoint to observe quality from>Derided as idiocySo, /a/? Find an accurate means to measure the objective quality of art yet?
>>67665320Get out.
>>67665347I'm sure it's the Americans that are still awake.
>>67665320Ever hear of Moetan?
>>67665303this is such a good, relevant argument - i think we have to hand the entire thread to this guy
>>67665347Are you from /mu/?Because, yes, there's a way. But they don't know it.
>>67665383'sup, yuropoor.
>>67665320Moyashimon taught me about Agriculture.
>>67665347how is it to be judged objectively? it uses correct frequencies as notes? LOL
l can't wait for the retarded madofag to point out the number of replies this thread has.Most pointless post of the day award always goes to him.
>>67665370When you see a piece of art that advertises itself as having no function, structure or purpose, the objective quality of it would be decided by not analyzing it at all and concluding with that it has no function, structure or purpose, as advertised.This is really not hard.If you are talking about the quality of craftmanship, then we're talking.
>>67665402That's because they are retarded aspies who don't want to, even though I bet they could.Also, yes.
>>67663018Le lol xDLiked and thumbed up on Facebook XDDDD:D :D :) :P^_^
Is there some kind of holiday today? Other than summer, I mean.
>>67665347Your faggotry has no bounds>objectively>EntertainmentFULLRETARD.EXE.MKV.AVI
>>67665426> K-On taught me about music> IS taught me about human relationships> S;G taught me physicsjust to name a few recent successful and highly educational anime
But why did Nichijou not sell? Did Japanese people not like it?
>>67665457It's National Faggotry Day and Autism Awareness Month.
>>67665427>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjIwmJMqrcoTell me you could not objectively pinpoint some of the reasons why this is the absolute worst song of the decade. And what do you know? It's popular! Who would've thought?
I love seeing the Kyoanifags and SHAFTfags fight because I hate both of those fanbases even more than the >>>/v/ nostalgiafags and Big 3 children.
>>67665457Isn't it Independence Day today?
>>67665499Pretty sure it was expensive as fuark
honestly k-on has more artistic merit than madokamadoka is easily summed up by the title itself - puella magi madoka magica - as an attempt to be something profound but ultimately falls short on its execution like the grammatically incorrect latin
>>67665499It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. It was awful and not funny.
>>67665514Autism Awareness Month was April.
>>67665434> measuring art by the quality of craftmanship
>>67665434fucking retard anime function is mostly to entertain which is by nature a subjective matter, try again tomorrow
>>67665514I never understood that whole "autism awareness" thing. I see bumper stickers and such about it.Are there people who don't know autism exists? Is there some purpose to letting them know it does?
>>67665476Entertaiment is subjective, quality is not.There are retards who find TBBT entertaining.>>67665490You're still butthurt because people called you out on your stupidity.
>>67665516are you implying you've heard every single song released this decade?
>>67665531Actually, now that I think about it, I guess it's because all the money came from TV airing. The show broke the 4th wall regarding that a bunch, and the character are being put into an education thing for math and stuff. To make it easier to see, who goes out and buys a BD/DVD set of The Fairly Odd Parents?
>>67665490> K-On taught me about cake> IS taught me about ass> S;G taught me memes
>>67665555Nice 5's.
>>67665516Time to start world war 3.
>>67665499The manga is cheaper and BD/DVD is too expensive for kids. Also, people who bought Lucky Star(same price DVD), etc. didn't buy it.
>>67665557You know that's a huge part when it comes to art, right?
>>67665499Unfappable girls
>>67665554it was pretty funny bro. i'm terribly sorry it didn't cater to your taste in humour specifically
>>67665546Madoka was utter shit, but don't even try to say that K-ON! has more merit than it. K-ON! is lower than shit. I find it hilarious and sad that it gets so much praise when even in the SoL genre it is mediocre.
>>67665567Well then KyoAni should be selling like hot cakes because despite the shitness of those two shows (Nichijou and Hyouka), they have been produced to a high quality.
>>67665647what was bad about it? it's already a classic
>>67665587IS confirmed for best educational anime of all time.
>>67665647>Even in the solAre you implying SoL is shit by default?
>>67665643I didn't find it funny either. Lots of people thought so too. In fact it seems like the only people who did find it funny were hardcore Kyoani fans. Did you ACTUALLY find it funny?
>>67665567Dude I had production quality classes, quality by academic definition is bound to people's perception over a product which means subjective matter, don't say shit about a subject you are clueless
>>67665654hasn't half of this thread been about the fact that quality doesn't directly translate to sales?
>>67665558Yeah, no. That is what idiiots believe, idiots who can't accept the reality of matters.Some anime, in this case Madoka, have narrative structures, elements, and even symbolism that are placed together to form a whole. Many people, madokafags included, spend their time objectively analyzing this as best they can.I want to know, are you actually this stupid or are you just trolling?>>67665557There's the art of carpenting, and then there's art. Understand now?
>>67665679It is often praised as one of the premier SoL titles. Which is an insult to the genre.
>>67665685yes i did. the comedic timing is some of the best i've seen in anime and i am no hardcore kyoani fan
I am really dissapointed in /a/ right now. I always thought most people were atleast somewhat intelligent.
>>67665687You should ask for your money back. Clearly they did not do a good job educating you.Even if you were correct, how people perceive it also includes the notion that people analyze it objectively to determine quality.Your "definition" defeats itself with your argument here, it's like you're actually twelve years old.
>>67665710how is it an insult?
>>67665531>>67665531Which brings me to another question, why is anime so expensive?The reason I never buy anime is because they come in discs with, like, three episodes. Fucking ridiculous. Just put Nichijou in 720p, put it on a 9gb DVD disc and sell it for cheap.
>>67665685Agree to this, but it wasnt even that. It was gung-ho, hipster KyoAni fans who found it funny. In other word about 1,500 people in alles.
>>67665691Carpentry is not a-Dohoho, you almost got me there. 7/10 For a second I thought you were actually making the argument that carpentry is an art.
>>67665776KyoAni has sold same price DVDs for Kadokawa, though. (Haruhi, LS)
>>67665735Nichijou made me laugh a in the first few episodes, then the frequency of actually funny scenes declined rapidly and was replaced by the same over the top reaction scenes. Personally I am stuck at around episode 16 and only plan to finish it for the sake of completion, I barely enjoyed any of it.You can just tell that the majority of it was written in a half-assed and rushed attempt to be funny rather than something the writers actually found funny themselves.
>>67665667In the same way that Tik Tok is already a classic
>>67665812>laugh a lot*
>>67665772K-ON! Is complete shit, and people treat it as one of the poster childs for the SoL genre. Saying that shit like K-ON! is some of the best that SoL has to offer is insulting to all of the other series in the genre and the genre itself.
>>67665818No argument huh.
>>67665457
>>67665812anime is basically entirely built around over-the-top reactions. this is why i liked nichijou (it was taken to the extreme) and k-on (barely any over-the-top reactions)
>>67665812I didn't make it past the first episode. I didn't laugh or smile even once the entire first episode. Which for a comedy is a death sentence.
>>67665823so you hate k-on because it's popular? i fail to see a link between k-on and tik tok other than that
>>67665848Madagascarfags are the cancer killing /a/
>>67665762so much bullshit in your post please do a favor for the world and die or never post again
"Art" is for all intends and purposes a buzzword. It means everything and nothing. Talking about whether something is "art" and if it has "artistic merit" is vain masturbation.You should talk about the cultural impact, the quality of the craftsmanship, the creativity of the work, etc, things that can be assessed objectively and interpreted subjectively.
>>67665838yes but why do you think it's shit? you really haven't progressed past that point in your argument
>>67665800Are you le selious?
>>67665800Carpentry is a profession, an art. Making anime is a profession, an art. Making art is also a profession, the product being anything from sculptures to movies.I'm going to lean against you being retarded for this one.
>>67665898>cultural impact, the quality of the craftsmanship, the creativity of the work, etcoh you mean it's artistic merits?
>>67665691>There's the art of carpenting, and then there's art.What makes you think those 2 are entirely different?I mean fuck, there isn't even any widely accepted opinion on what art actually is
>>67665900That's my opinion and not the point of the discussion. You are strawmanning now.
>>67665879No, I'm saying that success alone does not warrant classic status, and in my opinion the show isn't nearly good enough to warrant it. Maybe if it had something more to offer than a shitload of (admittedly very cute) girls and fuwa fuwa overload...
>>67665898This.When people try to use "art" as a means of defending something, like in this case, it's nothing but a meaningless evasion.
ITT trolls trolling trolls
>>67665898Or you could not be a faggot and just like things that illicit strong emotional or intellectual responses and dislike things that don't.
>>67665860>anime is basically entirely built around over-the-top reactions.That is a pretty heavy generalization, especially as you are generalizing not only the comedy genre but anime as a whole.I dare say that it is a cheap way to compensate for lack of actual jokes and punchlines. Over-the-top reactions can enhance a joke the same way canned laughter can set the mood for laughter, this is not a joke in itself though. Think about the canned laughter spam in the 90's TV.
>>67665929>I mean fuck, there isn't even any widely accepted opinion on what art actually isWhich is exactly why I'm trying to point out that they are different.
>>67665933i'm not strawmanning - i'm asking you a simple question. i'm dismissing your opinion as bullshit if you can't name a single reason why you think it's shit and an insult to the SoL genre
>>67665949That sounds more like a faggot thing to do.Go find yourself some cocks and suck em.
>>67665898One of the best posts in this thread so far
>>67665945>l lost the argument, ill just call everyone a troll.
>>67665490>S;G taught me physicsYou're going to be in for a surprise once you finally get to high school.
>>67665988I think it's more like "I read the OP and wanted to drop a generic LE SUMMER XD message."
>>676659801. lt's not as good as mushishi2. lt follows the same shitty generic format of 4girls doing x things as terrible as hidamari.
>>67665920When referring to the "art of carpentry", the word "art" is used as a synonym for "skill", and does not have the same meaning as when art is used in the context of paintings and stories.Can we move past the third grade vocabulary lessons, now?
>>67666036>Mushishit>good
>>67666036>MushiSHIT>Goodlol.
>>676660361. explain2. there is far more to it than a "four girls doing things" format. you're doing a great disservice to your argument in being so intellectually dishonest
>>67666036>mushishit>goodlel XD
>>67662846Shaftfags are so insecure they need to make these threads?
>>67666050>and does not have the same meaning as when art is used in the context of paintings and stories.Oh, but it does. It has the exact same meaning, and it's used like that since well, forever.You cannot use "art" as a defense for being judged.
>>67665880>>67665880>>67665880>>67665880
>>67666084And everyone else is so insecure they have to bump it to 450+ posts.
>>67665940Cool opinion. Now prove it.
>>67666107That implies shaftfags are the ones bumping it to 400 posts.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/art?s=tAnimation is the second sense.Carpentry is the fifth one.
>>67666050It can serve both purposes for paintings and stories, being the same as the word used for "skill". There's no denying this. People praise skillfully put together furniture just as they praise skillfully put together stories.Why do you deny this so hard, is it because you have nothing else?>>67666036Mushishi is good you faggot.
>>67666096NOW can we move past the third grade synonym lessons?
>>67666050that's because of the history of art. it's not grouped in with the more traditional forms of art such and sculpture, architecture and painting, probably because it doesn't have roots in religion. carpentry however is basically a form of sculpture but for wood. it's probably a far, far lesser form of art but the same kind of judgments can be made of carpentry as they can of any form of traditional art
>>67666130You can't possibly be this autistic
>>67665940what would make it 'good' in your opinion? it's really not as mindless as commonly thoughtit's a classic because undoubtedly any SoL would be compared to k-on
>>67665980Characters were uninteresting. Designs were generic. Comedy was bad. Slice of life scenes didn't have good atmosphere compared to many of its peers. It felt like it accomplished nothing that it intended to, which is a cardinal sin for media. It feels unnatural and marketed to hell and back. Its "coming of age" plot in the latter part of S2 was done much better by tons of other SoL, namely Azumanga Daioh. As I said before. My reasons are my opinions of K-ON! which some will agree with and others will disagree with. It has nothing to do with how a terrible SoL can conceptually be an insult to the genre.
Can you name an anime character moer than messi?l thought so, bitch.
>>67666173Fuck no. We can't discuss art if you don't even know what art is.
>>67665395You can't be serious, can you?
>>67666205AZUMANGA DAIOH is what people compare things too in the end. K-on is only compared because it sells well. Is Twilight a classic vampire movie because everyone compares things in that subgenre to it?
>>67666238Go to bed, /a//sp/ie.
>>67666238Jackie-chan
>>67666238ka-wa-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
>>67666205>what would make it 'good' in your opinion? it's really not as mindless as commonly thoughtI watched the full two seasons and really in my opinion pretty much every scene amounts to a showcase of the cuteness of the girls (body and mind). That could be good if it was unique in this regard - but it isn't.
>>67666173>>67666135Anything men make can be called "art" in some sense of the word. I don't see how you can't agree that the word is completely useless in any discussion about the quality of something.Saying "it is art" is like saying "the sky is blue", "water is wet" or "you're mother is a whore".
>>67666251I learned English from watching Moetan.
>>67666173What is your point here? The definition doesn't support your claim in any way, it supports mine.
>>67666256I have never, ever used Twilight as a benchmark for the comparison of vampire novels, and nobody I know would, either.That's what Ann Rice's books are for.
>>67666323Can I fuck your sister?
>>67666314you're waifu is a slut
>>67666215well i personally found the characters interesting and it is obvious the great amount of care kyoani have gone to fleshing out and making the characters consistent - right down to how their instruments sound.the designs are instantly recognisable so i don't see how they are generic.i don't think it was meant to be a straight-up comedy. sure the girls all joke around with each other but that doesn't mean they're making jokes especially for the viewer. the jokes fit very well into the characterisations and interactions i mentioned beforei'm not sure what you mean by "slice of life scenes" but the show is greatly atmospheric showing the girls in shots as a part of the scenery rather than making them cut-outs on a backgroundhow did it not accomplish what it set out to do? i thought it accomplished exactly what it set out to do which is why it's so good in my opinionhow natural it is is one of the defining characteristics of k-on. even background characters are animated and scenes of the girls sitting around and chatting all have added depthhow was it done better? is that something to hold against the show? that an aspect of it was done better by another show?
>>67666342Sure, come over to my house.
>>67666205>it's a classic because undoubtedly any SoL would be compared to k-onI can't stop laughing.K-on is a mediocre/bad SOL from every aspect and by any standards.You are just a deluded fan boys.
ITT: Butthurt shaftfags getting proven wrong time and time again, just to act butthurt that madoka a shit
>>67666314A shit on my toilet is art by definition.
>>67666343I know, she fucks like a twister and sucks a mean dick.,Good for me, eh?
>>67666256both are compared because they're both classic. k-on is compared because it's good
Madoka was just good job by shaft and deserves the sales, but Nise rides on the popularity of its source material. It would've been a hit even if a studio like JC Staff made the adaptation
>>67666395Yes.
>>67666328If that's really what you think, then I'm pretty sure we're done here.You are immune to intelligent debate and unable to form any more than a token argument.
>>67666379I hate both SHAFTfags and Kyoanifags. However, I am willing to side with SHAFTfags to shit on the Kyoanifags because I hate them far more.
>>67666395Maybe if you place it on an art gallery exhibition, name it "semiotic displacement" and wear hipster glasses, why not.Bonus points if religious imagery is involved.
>>67666296that's part of it but in no way is that the entirety of the show
>>67666343I think you forgot some punctuation.You meant -"You are waifu" is a slut- I supose that "You are waifu" is some shitty anime/manga character that is moe and speaks Engrish, am I wrong?
>>67666379Shaftfags rarely have any actual arguments they just like to spam those quotes and sales numbers.
>>67666420*monogatari is far from being the most popular light novel.
>>67666440How fucking new can you be?"You're waifu" is always used
>>67666372>>>/v/
>>67666447And that's all we'll ever need. More than anything Kyoanus shit's out.
>>67666436It's the main thrust of it
>>67666447But the shaftfags won the thread
>>67666463Ockham is a lie
>>67666487I think they left a long time ago. Now it's just shitposting. Sasuga Eurofags.
>Naruto is terrible and sales mean nothing>This shit is so good, the sales prove it
>>67666440I fucked you're waifu.
>>67666479it's an interpretation. nothing more
>>67666487Wrong.They're both losers.
Everyone in this thread is a loser. I hope you take this lesson into your heart so you stop being losers
>>67666541What in your opinion is the major takeaway from watching K-On, if it's not how cute and agreeable all the girls are?
>>67666532Pretty sure madoka sold more BDs than naruto
>>67666532Actually naruto anime sales are terribletry again tomorrow
>>67666591i like the characters and their interactions in the context of the clubroom. i didn't think they were that cute
>>67666639[citation needed]
>>67666420Yeah, that's why Haganai broke anime sales records.
>>67666665>the characters and their interactionsFor what, apart from them being cute?>in the context of the clubroomWhat does this even mean?
People are still mad over Madoka being very successful?Talk about endless entertainment, I still have FUN even there's nothing coming out yet!
If Kyoani were to release another Haruhi film which were to be as successful as Disappearance...
>>67666721their friendshipwell first as girls joining a club then becoming friends then trying to write a song for the upcoming concerts. also their effect on the world around them for example how the clubroom changes appearance over the course of the series
>>67666084I just want to watch the world burn. I had a good feeling when I created this thread, a gut feeling it was a winner. And here we are!
>>67666667http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/NARUTO
>>67666754Madoka haters are bound to be mad for life
>>67666754One of the few easily trollable hatebases.
what the heck is a niwaka?
>>67666774So. Schoolkids join a club, their friendship is beautiful: "a classic".
>>67666843This entire thread.
>>67666843Just another word for K-Onfags.
>>67666639Naruto as a manga sells millions.Compare source material of both series.>>67666780
>>67666843Originaly a word used by 2ch newfaggots to make oldfags mad, here is just a buzzworld used by newfags/gaiafags without basic nihongo knowledge.
>>67666883that makes no sense>>67666900i dont believe you, there has to be more to it than that.
>>67666915source material? you don't even know Madoka is anime original?
>>67666843It means an ambitious wannabe newcomer to otaku culture who wants to be the arbitrer of all the rules, but is really just jumping on the bandwagon and trying to fit in. Think someone who posts about /v/ a lot
>>67666975Compare source material of both series.
>>67666998So basically /a/ as a whole?
>>67667030Yes.
>>67667019You want to compare the sales of a manga to a BD? And I thought it couldn't get more retarded
>>67666660>>67666639>Naruto sales are terribleManga sales
>>67667030bulls eye
>>67667019Are you retard? Madoka has no source material, manga was released after the series2/10 at least try
>>67666998ah, I get it now, thank you.
Signs of a a Niwaka Otaku (the worst type otaku, who wants to be an Otaku, but fails.):>けいおん、ABが面白いとか言う奴thinks K-ON! and Angel Beats are fun anime>化物語とけいおんをやたら持ち上げてるRecommend to people Bakemonogatari and K-ON!>オタクであることを隠そうとしない奴Not hiding powerlevel>シャフトを絶賛SHAFT fanboy>堂々とアニメの話してる奴Talking about anime openly>まどかマギカ、けいおんを観ている奴Love Madoka and K-on!>BDの売上が～って言う奴Care about BD sales>エヴァの新劇場版だけ見て TVアニメ版は見てないHave only seen Eva Rebuild, never finished the TV series>1年前はけいおんにハマってて, 今はまどかマギカにハマってるような奴The people who love K-ON last year, and now into Madoka>京アニ好きなやつはにわか率１００％>シャフト好きなやつはにわか率７０％KyoAni fanbase niwaka 100%SHAFT fanbase niwaka 70%>好きなエロゲブランドがkey、あかべぇ、Nitro+fav VN studio : key, AKABEi and Nitro+
>>67666854the execution of this story makes it a classic, yes. do you only like shows where the protagonists save the world?
>>67667048Whe are talking about anime here, madoka has no source material its a original series
>>67667067Copypasta ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━ｯ!!
If quality had anything to do with sales then Naruto wouldn't be one of the best selling manga and the tsukihime anime wouldn't have been a great success.Often it is more pandering = more sales.Nichijou and Hyouka don't pander as much as Nise, Nise also had the "bakemonogatar"-bonus. Madoka was pandering too, but it was also genuinely good.
>>67667067>look at me copypasting 2ch trolling
>>67667095People asked for it, so I posted it.
>>67667095copypasta is her since the first madoka accomplishment pasta.
>>67667140>Madoka>goodSure if the entire show was about costume designs.
>>67667140are you saying please your client is a bad thing?
>>67667083No, but like I said: I just don't think showcasing body and mind cuteness of some girls in a school club environment is enough, because it's not like it hadn't been done many times before. Sure, K-On excels in animation and several other technical aspects but it doesn't bring anything new to the table in any way. It's competent escapism and wish fulfillment, but not much more.
Oh the delicious salty tears in this thread from the madoka haters is glorious.Stay mad faggots.
>>67667209>No, but like I said: I just don't think showcasing body and mind cuteness of some girls in a school club environment is enoughThis is a entirelly subjective matter you are going full retard like most of people here
>533 repliesI love you guys
>>67667264madoka = instant shitstorm
>>67667209>it brings something new to the table>but it doesn't bring anything new to the tablenot only that you completely ignored everything else said about the series. also no it hadn't been done very much before>it had girls in a high school settingyes how vague>escapism and wish-fulfillmentpage 5 in the big book of buzzwords... only to justify your own interpretation of the series... probably based on confirmation bias as well
Is Shinbo still a virgin?
