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Mamoru Hosoda, director of Summer Wars, Digimon Our War Game and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
To Mamoru Hosoda, the solution to overcoming the industry's stagnation is in the game ideas published by Shigeru Miyamoto (Nintendo), enjoyed by many people throughout the generation with his "suits all tastes" style.

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Satoshi Kon, director of Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika
He makes a comment: the disposable nature of anime today; back in the days, there was more anticipation and fans digested each work better.
>"Animation based on popular manga and giant robots and big-eyed girls with shamefully skimpy costumes will continue to fill the screen. I think that's okay. These productions fill demands; the audiences for them support the Japanese animation industry. Thanks to them, there is room for a non-mainstream creator. Of course, I hope many unusual pieces will also appear."

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Ichiro Itano, animator who developed and popularized the technique “Itano Circus,”
> "Particularly in TV anime, producers are self-censoring themselves from the get-go to avoid complaints from viewers," he says.
>"Nowadays people are more concerned with creating a 'product,' so it seems like content is probably becoming a little too similar. As for young Japanese out there who want to become creators, I hope they'll be high-minded and try to make something on the level of District 9."

>>66626419
If only he was here.

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Cersei Lanister, queen regent of the Seven Kingdoms
>These ladies are in for a bit of a rape.

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Yoshiyuki Tomino, creator of the Gundam franchise

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2009-09-14/yoshiyuki-tomino-press-conference/2

>"All I can say is that the creative process in Japan is obviously showing a decline."
>Stop buying anime magazine and stop watching anime now.
>If you have time go see some real paintings and watch live performance at theaters.

please respond

Anime is like every other entertainment medium:

95% of it is shit, but we eagerly await the 5% of it that is actually good.

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Katsuhiro Otomo, director of Steamboy and Akira
>'The skills of traditional animators have become worse, and notable young animators have not come out to the scene. This is a big issue for the industry.

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Hideaki Anno, director of Evangelion, Gunbuster
He feels anime industry is exhausted : A continuing trend of stagnation.
And said "over the past years, there has been no anime "newer" than Eva."

>>66626470
>Yoshiyuki Tomino

This guy's a serious faggot.

But I agree with the other guys in this thread.

Is it a coincidence that these guys are all last-gen screenwriters and directors?

>inb4 yamakan

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Hayao Miyazaki, director of Nausicaä, Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away
>"I think Japanese animation is facing a dead end," he said.
>"I think there is a chance that the spread of Japanese animation overseas might only lead to embarrassment."
And he described younger anime makers as the "copycat generation".

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Yui Hirasawa, high school student
>"Fun things are fun"

And yet the industries is growing

Worry not faggots, ufotable is saving anime.

>>66626522
They're not all last-gen. Some are still making anime, some are retired. But all have great experience with older anime

Yamakan, Director of Fractale
>I'm here to save anime

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Yutaka Yamamoto, former KyoAni director, on the state of the anime industry:
>Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
>For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari and Railgun win the Otaku market.
>Your anime is always going to end up on Youtube. We're reaching the end of being able to sell home video. We're probably going to back to toy-funded business models of past: give anime away, try to sell toys.
>The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.

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Don't you just love how these threads skyrocket during the summer?

>anime will die out in Japan over the next few decades

Whatever, I don't really plan on living past 30.

Do the one with the director who produces manlyshit saying he loves moe characters.

>>66626522
No.

This shit happens in every industry. The old guys always lament about how EVERYTHING SUCKS NOW LETS GO CIRCLEJERK ABOUT THE GOLDEN AGE DURR.

>>66626545
ufotable is shit. DEEN puts them to shame. No trolling

Me, Anonymous of 4chan
>"Op is a faggot"

>>66626419
Only one that actually gets it, the others are pretentious drama queens, especially Sato.

I-it's OK guys! Hideaki Anno w-will save anime, just y-you wait!

>>66626567
Was this translated by gg?

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>>66626376 overrated faggot
>>66626398 incompetent moron
>>66626419 dead
>>66626439 who?
>>66626470 faggot who hasn't done anything worthwhile in decades and who sold out his franchise to fujoshi
>>66626493 has been
>>66626510 lol anno of all people
>>66626526 senile old hippie
>>66626567 yamakan

Do you have someone actually good and talented or is this supposed to be it?

Well..

Why the fuck is Dai Sato not on AO.

Why did Hosoda bomb with Summer Wars?

What is Itano up to?

What is Tomino doing?

Why did Anno not make anything after dropping out of Kare Kano?

Where the hell is Izubuchi?

What the hell is Kawamori doing making all this idol-crap?

Where`s Imaishi`s follow-up to Gurren Lagann?

Why did Redline suck so bad?

Why do manga authors take a year or two between chapters now?

They all want to complain, but I don`t even see them trying anymore.

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Imagawa, director of Giant Robo and G Gundam, talked about the future of anime in 1997:

>Mr. Imagawa was a bit more bleak; he sees a dead end looming in front of the world of anime. Echoing critics of a lot of popular television in America, he sees too much of the same thing being repeated in different shows. Once a show or genre becomes popular, it gets copied to the point that it becomes difficult to tell one show from another; only the names seem different. In terms of technique this has improved things, as each show learns from the previous ones. But Mr. Imagawa sees this as only superficial growth, not the internal growth of stories and themes needed to sustain the art form. A flashy character design and good drawings can't make up for a bad story. As a result, he no longer watches much TV anime. He spends much more of his time watching American and European dramas—cinema which he feels has depth and substance.

Satoshi Kon was the only one who was completely right about this. All the others are suffering from your typical Old Man Syndrome.

>>66626419
>understands economics and realizes that studios and companies make current anime because viewers demand it
>But also realizes that by filling these demands, other creators can work on their own art

Why can't everybody be this rational?

>>66626610
>hurr I hate everyone and don't even nkow who Itano is

Real cool and edgy faggot

>>66626567
>Yamakan

That was the worst example you could have posted

>>66626610
>some unknown faggot on 4chan

Where's Shinbo's "Make anime that sales" quote?

>>66626610
"Itano Circus" refer to a scene in macross where a unit is chased by lot of missile, the scene was ground breaking back then

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In a 2003 interview Tsurumaki was worried about fake moe

Tsurumaki: I wrote that about three years ago. I feel like the meaning of the word moe has become fragmented in the course of its becoming popular, but I think that, in the beginning, the phenomenon of moe was an act of compensation. I don't think it was the case that moe was [something] depicted in works. I think that moe existed on the side of the audience, and it was an impetus that grew spontaneously within audiences. I feel that recent anime, in trying to incorporate moe [directly] into the works, has come to an unfortunate state.

I wish Japan has its bubble economy again so that we'd get well animated anime.

Are you sure you wanted to wanted to quote this one OP: >>66626419?

He doesn't share this "killing the industry" point of view but is quite reasonable.

>>66626647
Why? He made very good points in that interview. Fuck off.

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Subaru, elementary school girl's basketball team coach
>"Elementary schoolers are the best!"

>>66626623
>Where`s Imaishi`s follow-up to Gurren Lagann?

Panty & Stocking

>>66626549
Yeah but aside from Hosada, all these guys peaked in the 90's or earlier in Miyazaki, Otomo and Tomino's cases.

>>66626606
To think Hideaki Anno is the last bastion of hope these days...

A lot is hanging on what he does after Rebuild. If he shows intent to spend the enormous wealth amassed from selling Rebuild on making new anime, good quality anime, then we're saved, or on the way to being saved.

Don't give up hope yet /a/.

>>66626468
lyl

>>66626674
THIS GUY HERE PEOPLE

READ UP ON HIS DEFINITION ON MOE

IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES SENSE

>>66626691
But he didn't actually do shit compared to the others. In the end he follows the exact same trend.

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Mamoru Oshii's, director of Ghost in the Shell

http://2chan.us/wordpress/2009/07/11/mamoru-oshii-toshio-suzuki-ponyo-vs-sky-crawlers/

>"The world of hand-drawn Japanese animation became useless long ago, as far as level of achievement and talent. The stuff airing on television these days can just be churned out, mass produced.

>I certainly think that animation is like a handicraft. If you ask me, it’s similar to the miracle that is shrine carpentry. Do you know how many people are weeded out before a single person rises to the top and becomes a qualified shrine carpenter? How much training is required? That’s why I compare animation to shrine carpentry: you simply cannot mass produce it. But now, we’re reaching our limits. If you want to know why, it’s because all the really talented animators that are sustaining the world of hand-drawn animation, the 20 or so of them, are all over 40. So think about it, in another 10 years, what’s going to happen?

If these guys have so many complaints, why don't they put themselves out there and make something good? Protip: It's because they know they can't.

>>66626674
I call it, forced moe and try-hard moe. Pick either that pleases you. Occasionally we have some shows that are legitimately moe as in, chartacters that actually give my heart a boner.

So basically, what needs to be done is stop making anime for japan and instead do it for the west.

Summary: "I can't accept that the anime industry doesn't go where I want."

This is why I love Satoshi Kon

>>66626786
who da fug is that?

>>66626752
>Hey guys, let's pull a masterpiece out of our asses whenever we please to

I'd rather release one masterpiece and keep it that way rather than release a whole bunch of shit hoping that one of them becomes a masterpiece.

>>66626376
He means Samurai Champloo was much better than today's anime?
yeah, right.

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>>66626840

>>66626767
But then it won't sell. Or it will pollow the same path as video games and will end up with bald space marines.

>>66626696

Obv. not the follow-up for many reasons, one being it`s not actually his show.

>>66626700

Anno has always been amazing, why say `to think ...

>>66626676

America will never let them grow.

>>66626634

Anime is declining, they made more money in the past, there is so much anime could have been, but we have to sit through a billion new-age forum users who have no idea of this...

>>66626630

Right, that must surely be, when the last decent anime was about 5 years ago.

>>66626610

He didn`t sell the series, Bandai always had rights due to their deal, idiot.

>>66626700
>implying Anno is going to do shit after Rebuild
He's going to hole himself away with all that money and never appear again. You heard it here first.

>>66626859
Samurai Champloo wasn't that great. I liked some of the combat sequences, but the show was badly paced, lacked direction and was wrapped up too quickly.

It's one of those overrated shows.

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Toshio Suzuki, chief producer and president of Studio Ghibli.
>"Honestly, I don't watch much anime. I think there are not many good ones... do I sound like a snob? Sometimes I will take a look at one or two, but they are not so good, so....... it's unfortunate that by the end of January, 78 episodes of animation were shown in Japan; last year there were 192 OAV titles, of which half were really series. I think there are about 9000 animators in Japan - how did all this anime get made? The answer is that only about 10% were made wholly in Japan. This outsourcing is not necessarily a good situation. If it continues, Japan will lose animators and I worry for the future.
>There are fewer youths today who want to be in the industry. There are 2 reasons - that the number of titles leads to lower budgets and lower pay; and more seriously, while they may want to *watch* anime, they don't want to *make* it.

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>>66626606
With Rebuild, Anno will either make or break everything.

>“When you play a game of thrones you win or you die.”
Cersei Lannister, Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms

The same exhaustion can be seen throughout media all over, not just anime. Just because Anime/manga are stagnating a bit doesn't mean they'll die out, it's the entire medium of entertainment slowly beginning to stagnate. How long has it been since there was a lineup of movies at the theaters that you where REALLY excited to see after seeing the title alone? Or the commertials?

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What the fuck happened?

>>66626906
>Obv. not the follow-up for many reasons, one being it`s not actually his show.

The fuck are you talking about? P&S was his work.

>>66626945
Japan got better taste

Has someone posted the quite from Anno talking about Madoka yet?

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Shoji Kawamori, the creator of Macross
What is the current state of anime in Japan?
>"The state is extremely trying.
>There are too many projects. I think half of them are not necessary, and there is not enough resources for everything."

>>66626906
>Anime is declining, they made more money in the past

[CITATION NEEDED]

Oh wait you're that tripshit. Are you aiming to be the next Komeji/uldrew?

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>Once Hollywood sucks the well of superheros and 80s cartoon movies dry they'll move on to anime and manga derived stuff full time
>Most of it will be crap but some of it will be pure gold
>Fat weeaboos on /a/ and /jp/ bawww their eyes out

>>66626439
Fucking Itano can't complain about shit. He's responsible for the death of ranged weaponary in anime.

>>66627004
I can't tell if you're more upset or more wrong.

Meh, you'll eventually see a counter-reaction to this when it starts really getting out of hand and there'll be an increase of interesting anime that isn't focused on appealing characters with the eye on selling merchandise.

Eventually there will probably be a window for it in the market as well.

I'm not worried. I'll just keep pirating their moeshit for as long as they keep throwing it at me.

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>>66626945
Take your disgusting pedoshit elsewhere, faggot.

>>66626935
Prometheus. But it is part of an existing franchise, so maybe it's not the best example.

>>66626996
>Kawamori
>having the rights to complain about anything

Not when you make retarded idol mecha shit you faggot.

As much as I think these people are drama queens, they're right. When was the last time you gave something a 10 rating on your MAL? Madoka aired almost a year ago, k-on almost 4. Everything is just copypasta

>>66626945
Like Tsurumaki said, it's a moe arms race more or less. Initially, there were fictional characters people considered cute. In an attempt to out-cute the competitors everyone's art styles declined.

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Kuuko, malign deity from space
>"I want to fuck Nyarko"

>>66626906

>it`s not actually his show.
>they made more money in the past
>the last decent anime was about 5 years ago

>What the fuck am I reading.bmp

>>66627021
Or I could just be shitposting.

>>66627000
>implying /a/ cares about the shows they'll turn into live action
Enjoy your live action Naruto / Bleach / One Piece.

>>66626996
And his own creations are the bottom of the barrel. Very typical.

>>66627042
Why are you so upset at Kawamori? He has done a lot of good in the past.

>>66627044
Madoka is a 4 at best.

>>66627044
>MAL
>k-on
>Madoka
4/10 for making me laugh

>>66626419
This a million times. As long as something like Birdy, GiTS, or Paranoia Agent is still made, it doesn't really matter if there are a dozen K-On clones airing on TV.

>>66627082
He did some good things in a few of his Macross shows but that's it. He's been pretty fucking shit for almost the entire last decade (and now).

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>>66627044
>giving anything a 10 rating

>>66627093
2deep4u

>oh look its this thread again
>same trolls responding
>spammers all over /a/ posting the same spamming material from months ago

Yeah, totally not the same people.

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>>66626906
>Anime is declining, they made more money in the past

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Time to decide once and for all (until next season maybe)
What is the best Pretty Cure?
YOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE ONE

>Pretty Cure (+Max Heart)
>Pretty Cure Splash★Start
>Yes! Pretty Cure 5 (+GoGo!)
>Fresh Pretty Cure!
>HeartCatch Pretty Cure!
>Suite Pretty Cure♪
>Smile Pretty Cure!

I hope to find that most people would agree Fresh is the best. Pic related.

>>66627126
>He's been pretty fucking shit for almost the entire last decade (and now)
That's because it's impossible to make good anime these days. Give him a break.

>>66626526
He's a faggot but he's still the best.

>>66627147
Heartcatch is obviously the best

Fresh a shit

What, no quote from Mamoru Oshii?

I'll post my favourite, as in, the one that makes me laugh the most.

"Oshii said that the current anime is mostly otaku-centric and made to be turned into merchandising. Oshii added that anime today is a "copy of a copy of a copy that is no longer a form of 'expression.'" Oshii specifically mentioned Unicorn Gundam from the Mobile Suit Gundam UC anime and said that the "idea of a [unicorn] horn is interesting, but so what?""

http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/interest/2011-11-22/mamoru-oshii/today-anime-is-driven-by-otaku-me
rchandise

>>66627082
>space whales

>>66626996
Even if the stuff he makes now is pure garbage, at least he's putting himself out there, unlike the rest of these whiners who don't actually make anything anymore.

>>66626398
Ironically, this statement praises K-On.

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Kawamori, please sir may we have another manly rock and roll Macross?

>>66627044
I'm not a worthless subhuman piece of shit, so I don't use MAL.

Also, it's impossible to pull masterpieces out of your ass. It didn't happen in the past, it didn't happen a few years ago, it doesn't happen now.

Only people who are new to anime would think Japan crapped out one good show after another.

Especially during the 80s and 90s the vast majority of TV anime was utter shit and all you got were a few OVAs on a monthly basis - most of them, though of a relatively high technical quality, not really that great either. People who want that back are simply newfags who haven't watched anime for long enough.

>>66627182
Why does this hack think he's a good director? He's literally the textbook definition of a pretentious director.

>>66626935

Because it`s not a natural exhaustion, it`s a manufactured one.

It was part of the agenda to turn anime away from being provocative, turn it away from being important, and turn it away from being a cultural draw.

Now it`s made to keep an endless cycle (Endless 8) in the lives of the viewers, where the same thing is repeated to infinite, so we stay as mush.

Look anywhere, and you can see they are doing the same thing, the endless cycle.

What was popular in the 80`s? Mesh hats.
90`s? Regular full snap-backs
Early 00`s? Fitted`s
05? Mesh
12? Snap-backs.

Does this happen naturally?
No, people are manufacturing a market.

Same as they manufacture the music industry, the film industry, control who is a star, control what`s popular. Etc...

They aren`t going to let guys like Anno and co. change things.

>>66627166
It's the same as it's always been. He's lost his touch if he can't live up to what he used to be. A good anime ten years ago is still good today.

>>66627182
see >>66626745

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>>66627060
>fuck

She calls it baby making you uncouth fleb.

>>66626906
>Anime is declining, they made more money in the past
The industry has grown in the recent years. At worst it's stagnating.

If they'd just try and be less xenophobic asshole and opened their mind to the fact that us, ho so disgusting baka gaijin, like their animation and are actually interested in plot and originality, unlike most of the slimy otaku trash they have over there, then perhaps would they realize that their industry isn't dead but simply need new horizon, a fresh market. The main reason it's now this disgusting moecircus is because they're trying to appeal to the same fucking audience for nearly 30 years now. You need change and you need to be open to the oversea market. Why do they have to be such bigots?

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>>66627093

You're adorable.

>>66627192
Except he's speaking about games.

I always think there's at least one or two shows a season really worth watching. I still enjoy anime a lot, even if there are quite a few differences from anime in past decades.

And honestly, I will probably always love anime. I like the moeshit, I like the grimdark shit, I love action and drama, and I love comedy and romance. Once the industry truly exhausts all the material they have to offer now, they'll start doing new and revolutionary stuff once again. Just give it a decade or two, and we'll be back where we started. It's not going to die out by any means.

>>66627192
Presumably he means that Japan should make less late-night anime and more kids' anime. As though the evil otaku have anything to do with kids having less interest in animation than they used to.

>>66627299
Madoka is terrible. I would give it a 4/10 as well. Not the same fag

>>66627240
Nice tinfoil hat there, bro.

>>66627306
Faggot detected

>>66627302
He's speaking about the "mass appeal" style of Nintendo's games, something K-On succeeded at.

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>Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.
Tyrion Lannister, Hand of the King

I for one think anime has seen increased commercialization during the past ten years.

More anime is being made, and it is like all commercialized industry geared towards target demographics - in this case the group that is most willing to spend, the otaku. The otaku, even before anime were their most defining trait, were always willing to spend money on luxury goods such as electronics or home appliances.

>>66627393
K-ON doesn't have mass appeal fucking moron.

It has appeal with neckbeard otaku and little girls.

>>66627340
While I don't agree that it's a masterpiece, I'd give Madoka a 9/10. It got just about everything right. Pacing, character development, background music, etc. It's easily one of the best shows that aired in 2011

>>66627295
Because they are still mad about how Murricans gave them a good nuking 70 years ago

>>66627365
Which is why /a/ doesn't have much of a problem with contemporary anime.

The only people who do are normalfags, or rather borderline normalfags who are in denial about being nerds since otherwise they wouldn't give a shit about cartoons.

Kazuo Koike,
Manga-ka, Lone Wolf and Cub, Crying Freeman
>The 75-year-old creator had said in August that he disliked the beginning of Madoka Magica, but added that the anime forcefully won him over. On Monday, he continued his praise, saying that watching Madoka Magica made his "blood boil [with excitement]" and inspired him to want to do something himself.

>Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!

Written on some Bar/Brothel of Innulus and Papilio in Pompeli.

>>66627461
Herp derp derp. K-On is mainstream as fuck.

>>66626999

What the hell are you talking about, I don`t have a trip, and don`t want to be popular on the internet, you must spend too much time here.

Citation:

Gundam, Eva, Macross, Akira, Eureka Seven, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, etc, etc, etc, all sold better than anything on the summer anime list will. Enjoy.

>>66626959

It`s a joint work mate. And it`s not a big release like Gurren Lagann, which is my real point, everyone wants a big followup, P&S was alright though.

>>66626996

Yeah, so why don`t you just stick to Macross, and how do you go fro Escaflowne to Aquarion Evol,wth.

>>66627493
So, who paid the old bastard off? And, how much?

>>66627493
>75-year-old
>still watches anime

Really?

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>>66627462
It was shit. Pacing was generally fast with some pacing being WAY too fast making the drama suffer (looking at you flashback episode). Character development also suffered from pacing. One episode black haired slut saves blue haired slut from red haired slut. Next episode red haired slut saves blue haired slut from black haired slut. It's shit and so are you

OH AND DID I MENTION QUALITY FUCKING EVERYWHERE

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>2012
>still watching anime
>not just reading manga exclusively

Anime died years ago faggots.

>>66627522
And Nise sold better than any of those except Gundam and Eva; and Bake sold more than any of them except Eva. You're retarded.

>>66627554
Rebuild is out this year.

Rupan sansei is airing.

ITS NOT DEAD YET.

>>66627295
There is no relevant market in the west for anything but shounen shit like Naruto or Bleach and you're in denial if you think otherwise. The handful of nerds who are nostalgic about Toonami are no relevant demographic.

I'm sorry, but the average westerner has no interest in watching cartoons for serious storytelling. They watch live action TV shows and the west already fulfils that demand with shows like Game of Thrones and alike.

There is no market for anime. You're in denial if you think otherwise. That bizarro world inside your head where anime is regarded mature entertainment for mature people like yourself, hailed by critics, where cool hipsters come together to watch the new episode of Cowboy Bebop does not exist.

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>thread about the anime industry in general
>becomes about Madoka

>>66627572
Bake sold less than the original Gundam IIRC.

>>66627522
>Gundam, Eva, Macross, Akira, Eureka Seven, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, etc, etc, etc, all sold better than anything on the summer anime list will. Enjoy.

So you're using one season as your sample size for "anime now" but using various season for the anime from the past?

Also, you're retarded if you think some of those anime you listed were even that wildly successful in Japan. Bake and SHAFT shit alone demolishes everything you listed (except Gundam and Eva).

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>fags getting all defensive about their moeblob waifus why can't you fucking normalfags admit Japanese cute girls doing cute things is the only true superior form of art unlike pig disgusting inferior works that a white piggu gaijin might appreciate

>>66627548
Its not that rare. In the extras to the final volume of the Parasyte manga, there is a letter by some 90 year old guy praising how good Parasyte was.

>>66627554
>Not reading LNs and VNs
Manga died years ago.

>>66627522

The only people who care about or even know Outlaw Star exists are people who watched CN.

>>66627596
The first-run release of Bake sold less than EVERY release of Gundam (barely), but much more than the first run. Bake's boxset came out this year and sold more than 30k, putting it above 0079. And every other entry in the Gundam franchise sold less than that.

>>66627620
Who are you quoting?

>>66627649
I want /jp/ to leave.

>>66627522
>It`s a joint work mate. And it`s not a big release like Gurren Lagann, which is my real point, everyone wants a big followup, P&S was alright though.

Okay you're fucking retarded. Of course everything is a "joint work" dumbass. Obviously one guy can't make it but if you actually read the interviews from him about the show, it was pretty obvious that the show was mainly his concept (well more like his concept when he was drunk).

>>66627295
Because non-Japs won't pay $50 for two episodes of a hundred plus episode series.

>>66627649
>reading LN

Oh god. All that shit. All that fucking disgusting shit. At least anime preserves us from the really incredibly shitty ones.

>>66627649
>LNs
Fanfiction level writing only slightly above crap like Twilight.

>VNs
Porn games for lonely losers where they can date/rape underage girls.

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>>66627649
>not reading Potato House CG sets

>>66626376
>“Ergo Proxy had DVD box sets around the world, but not in Japan.

So he's saying Japan has great taste?

>>66627620
>I have no argument
>resort to Ad Hominem

Typical post from a /v/tard.

>>66627711
>Porn games for lonely losers where they can date/rape underage girls.

I don't think you understand where you are.

I think anime has the potential to be better than manga,
but as it stands,
I end up only watching anime from the 90s

>>66627587
But the new rupan sansei is shit. CG everywhere and the writing is horrible. Too much time spent artsy wank and not enough time spent on the basics. The new art style is ok though.

>>66627590
You speak bullshit out of your ass and are basically the problem both here and over there in japan...

Anime is not serious buissiness, anime doesn't sell outside japan, only hipters watch that crap...

A big fucking NO to all of that, sir. It's wrong in many fucking way and if you'd take two fucking second to think about it you'd delete that ignorant baseless post of yours because, fuck, you're basically browsing the proof that you're wrong.

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>>66626610
>faggot who hasn't done anything worthwhile in decades
Turn A was just 13 years ago.

>>66626623
Tomino is making G-Reko now.
He says he wants to create something that will be still remembered after hundred of years.

>>66626567
>>66626647

I don't think so. After all, Yamakan is the man who will save anime.

>>66627724
I don't get his butthurt either.

Ergo Proxy was crap. It had a strong first episode and then took a major nosedive right up a fat man's hairy anus.

Where is this alleged decline in originality, anyway? Tatami Galaxy, Maison en Petites Cubes, maybe they aren't quite on the level of '80s Ghibli but they kick the shit out of the PEW PEW LASERS mecha anime these people idolize.

>>66627713
You have great taste, sir.

>>66627724
I have bought it. 'Was 2€ in a bargain bin, thought it was worth it even if only 3 episodes were really good.

>>66627620
I'm not saying that, I don't actually like those anime. I dont even have a serious waifu etc. Its better this way though, because the industry is getting money. So when someone who wants to make something ACTUALLY GOOD, the money will be there. Just read>>66626419

>>66627764
Tomino hasn't done anything worthwhile period.

I wish /anime/ would leave.

We're /moe/ now.

>“Oh, my sweet summer child," Old Anon said quietly, "what do you know of anime?
Anime is for the experts, my little newfag, when the plots were a hundred feet
deep and the musical direction comes howling out of the speakers. ”

Anonymous, to a newfag

>>66627777
You need to consider that the people complaining about a lack of originality don't actually watch anime. They have no idea what currently is airing.

They base their opinion on hearsay and since they don't follow what is currently airing they wouldn't know about low profile shows.

They're basically people who watched Cowboy Bebop while they were kids but don't really care about anime.

>>66627132
>giving anything a 10 rating

People like you are morons. There's no point in reserving a score for things that don't exist.

>>66627814
Gundam 79.

It's a shame that as the art quality has gotten much better, everything else about anime has gotten worse.

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>>66627814
At least he made one of the best traps.

>>66626419
>the disposable nature of anime today

It can't be helped. The anime industry is way too oversaturated. How many shows aired last year? 150? How many of them were actually even worth a look?

>>66627861
Anime that are remarkably better than others don't exist?

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>>66627845
I think I love you.

>>66627572
>>66627610
>>66627662

Lol.

Know how many times the shows I listed sold Broadcasting Rights, etc...

That`s much more money than Blu-Ray sales...

Know how many figures they sold?

Know how much other merch they sold?

Know how many of them have games, spin-offs, manga, and on and on...

See how they are still selling merch and what-not today?

Do you think Bake and K-On will have that longevity?
How many Kawaii-Neko shows from the 90`s are still popular?

Please don`t continue arguing that bake made more money than these shows, it`s not even close.

>>66627698


It`s a joint work with joint directors, joint writers, lead animators etc... Why do you want to argue so bad.

>>66627861
Can we please fucking stop this retarded HURR DUN GIVE 10s shit? Why does it matter to you what rating someone gives to anime they've seen?

>>66627865
Taking an absurd concept (giant mecha) and pretending it's realistic without actually giving any reality to it and combining that with shit writing and even shittier dialogue? Yeah, no. And it's still his best work.

>>66627876
>How many of them were actually even worth a look?

Sorry, but a single show can't cater to everyone's tastes. Especially shallow ones.

BREAKING NEWS: THE DERIVATIVE, BY THE BOOKS CRAP SELLS A SHITLOAD AND THE BOLD, DIFFERENT CREATIVE SHIT IS RARELY A HUGE SUCCESS

IT'S LIKE THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUM ON EARTH AND YOU ARE A FOOL TO EXPECT ANIME TO BE ANY DIFFERENT

CAPS LOCK

Nostalgiafags suck but so do moefags. You all suck. There are decent old shows and there are decent SoL, the vast majority is SHIT though

>>66627762
I don't see any arguments on your side. I can only repeat: the bizzarro universe where anime is regarded as great art and the family comes together to watch serious business action anime does not exist. It only exists in your imagination.

Do you think anyone would watch cartoons when he could watch Game of Thrones, 24 or The Sopranos?

Nobody would do that. Maybe you and a handful of your loser/hipster friends, but most definitely not the average American. There is no market for this shit.

>>66627924
So you went from arguing how much anime sold BACK then to how much they've sold since they were released? Do you even know what you're arguing?

>>66627985
>listing 24 with those others shows

I don't think so Tim.

>>66627933
Confirmed for not knowing what you're talking about.

Give me a good anime before 79 which wasn't a manga adaptation.

>>66627855
Oshii does. You notice his complaints are specific and nuanced while the others having nothing to say but >anime is tEh dying!!11!.

>>66627984
Pro-tip: "moefags" don't exist. The average "moefag" has probably watched more than twice as many anime than the average moron complaining about contemporary anime, including older shows.

There are no two clearly divided sides here.

There are people who are newfags to anime and thus claim all contemporary anime is shit because they have little knowledge about contemporary anime, and there are people who enjoy all kinds of anime, including contemporary anime - those are the "moefags".

>>66628015

I`m talking about how much money an anime makes.

I know you`re searching for a straw-man here, but you wont find it.

>>66627969

Gundam And Eva, which were two of the most provocative and industry changing anime of all time are also the most popular of all time.

Please stop Caps Locking your nonsense.

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>>66626945
As i see it.
Anime back then saw women as support for the male leads or turned the female into a male lead and now with all that feminism going around in japan the girls are seen as equals to the MC if not superior and the Otaku inferiority complex does not help at all.
However i don't really care since i like all kinds
of girls. Girls are my obsession and my reason to live...cute girls only.

>>66628041
Whether it's good or not doesn't matter, what matters is that it's popular. I wasn't arguing quality here.

My argument stands. Only faggot manchildren watch anime.

>>66628105

Your initial claim:
>Anime is declining, they made more money in the past

Just leave before you embarrass yourself further.

>>66628122
Say that to my face fucker, not online, and I'll fucking kill you.

>>66628060
Future Boy Conan.

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>>66627147
Haato catchy.