smells like you're rectum

Too busy streaming.

Because even before 10bit was a thing it was shit.

Because my MPC HC is not broken

I am not hipster

it not supporting 10bit isn't the reason why nobody uses it
people don't use it because it is bad at rendering

Because it's still not as good?

Does it support chapters and all that shit yet?

I have my reasons.

It got better, but it's just less shitty now. Still a long way to go before it can be considered decent.

>>64429930
Hey, that's not funny! That's how my mom died!

>>64430035
I love these gifs.

>>64429909

So what do you guys use? I have bee using VLC, but I'd really enjoy some suggestions if there is better.

>>64430090
Notepad

>>64430090
Bet her? I hardly know her.

I use it at the moment but only because my MPC stopped displaying subtitles suddenly for some reason so I un-installed it and I'm too lazy to re-install it.

VLC is less resource intensive.

MPC-HC with LAV filters and Haali Media Splitter, like every sane man uses.

It's not even intended to produce the best quality. VLC's primary function and main selling point is that it can play any media file you throw at it no matter how corrupted or incomplete it is.

When you build a piece of software with this goal of compatibility in mind, the quality and performance will suffer. VLC's toolbox of compatibility will never be better than a player intended to give the best quality for the media it was programmed to handle like MPC, mplayer2, or any of the other players out there.

Because mplayer seeks faster, and displays subtitles at native resolution with the openGL renderer.

Also, the keyboard shortcuts make more sense.

Both players have colorspace problems, but I no longer give a fuck.

>>64430070
Me too.

>>64430168
>less resource intensive.
That's PotPlayer motherfucker.

>>64430168
If your PC can't handle anime, it's shit.

>>64429909
It doesn't run on OSX 10.5.

Because it's still shit?

>>64430168
It really isn't.

>>64430177
Sup VLC devs


Now get out. It's shit at playing anime and you just proved me right.
>It's not even intended to produce the best quality

>>64430090
Windows Photo Viewer
It actually plays videos somehow

>>64430090
http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205

There, Now you have no excuses...

>>64430213
I'm just a random anon who can actually form a coherent thought. I was trying to explain why VLC is shit and MPC-HC is better, stupid.

>>64430213
I'm pretty sure he was agreeing with you, moron.

At least the interface looks better.

>>64430245
Sup MPC devs

>>64430213
I think you need to reread his post...

>>64430260
Sup /a/ devs

>>64430213
Get out anti-dev devs.

>>64429932

For a minute I thought that was Array out of Lagrange because of the tearing.

I'm a media player dev, $100k starting, any job I want

>>64430255
You can put a pretty, pink bow on a stinky piece of shit. But it's still going to be shit.

>>64430309
see: OS X

>>64430309

But if you do that, wont it be moeshit?

>>64430309
You made me think of that scene in Black Sheep. I miss that fat bastard Chris Farley.

inb4 daiz killing anime.

The same reason as ever. VLC is shit. It's still shit. Every time they "fix" things and add "features" and "upgrades" it doesn't change the fact that VLC is shit. It still performs fucks up at basic functionality and it still provides inferior visual quality. You can try to say otherwise, but that would be wrong.

>>64430335
Funny, because the only issue OS X has is the pretty pink bow that hides the good stuff.

>>64430362
Oh, you better believe he is.

>>64430373
>BSD fork with nosoftware
>hiding anything

>not using mplayer2

I've seen so many anime scenes ripped apart and distorted into cubic horrors, I don't think I can ever go back.

Before Daiz: No problem that needed fixing
After Daiz: 600+ mb / episode

>>64430373
>>64430335

So we all agree, Cocoa is dog-slow?

>>64430304

>>64430403
>nosoftware
>what is macports, fink ?
It's a POSIX-compliant OS, which is already quite good.

>>64430427
Not really. But the interfact of the finder could really get "less intuitive" and be more functionnal.

>>64430427
Dogs move faster than cocoa. Not to mention it eats through your resources faster than a group of landwhales at a cake shop.

>>64429932
I've never seen this happen. Could you show me an episode that has this effect with VLC?

Still has a sucky interface, terrible at skipping/fast-forwarding, doesn't come default with CCCP, still unstable.

>>64430493
>>64430335
This. Install Ganoo+Loonix

>>64430532
>terrible at skipping/fast-forwarding
What is so terrible about it? I just tried doing and it worked just fine.

>>64430539
>Lunix
>implying a rip-off of UNIX is better than the real thing

>>64430539
I'd just like to interject: What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>2012
>not using Potplayer
ISHIGGITYDIGGITY

It makes Miku cry. You don't want to make her cry, do you?

>>64430567

I use GOM player nigga.

>>64430619
I do, but in a sexual way. Not even the most sadistic S would ever use VLC.

>>64430592
Someone posted this to Torval. He got somewhat buttpained to this.

get on my level

ITT: you can't name an episode that has problems with VLC because there aren't any

>>64430626
>>>/vg/

>>64430592
I've seen this copy pasta before.
Still, accurate.

Mplayer2 is better than MPC-HC.

>>64430597
It's shit, just like KMplayer. What's the point of stealing code just to make something worse?

>>64429909
Because of this.

>>64430425

Oh so this is a summoning thread now? Wrong time of day though isn't it?

>>64430532

You realize that packaging with CCCP is the most redundant thing it's possible to ever do?

>>64430496

Since 2.0 it really doesn't happen that often anymore, however there's still other problems, the colour rendering and the bad upscaling to name two.

>>64430689
It's ages old. And it's what RMS says.

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>>64430689
No, it's just ‘Linux’, actually. It's used to endlessly troll /g/.

Take this, /a/non. Then everything will become clear to you.

>>64430887
I guess I haven't got anything better to do....
At least it's not masturbating.

>>64430887
That's a lot of autism to fit in one picture, anon.

>>64430951
What's that?
Satori's spell card?

can we get some comparison shots up in here to show some dumbasses that rendering is not limited to that artifacting bullshit

>>64431057
Try yourself. Colors aren't rendered the same between MPC-HC and VLC. Don't know which one is superior though.

I use MPC becuase /a/ says its good

>>64431083
>Don't know which one is superior though.
The one that isn't VLC.

>there won't be a new version of CCCP in at least the next 7 months
>hoping they will update it sometime soon to keep up with all the different alternatives going around

typical thread bashing VLc for being the shit it is, all of a sudden prog.
WTF? Why has prog become so public all of a sudden, you guys were able to skip the 2007 endless summer by being quiet.

I fucked you're waifu

>>64431148
/jaypee/ is talking way too much about /prog/ lately....like a lot.

>>64431148
I blame /jp/

>>64429909
Too busy rebuilding my font cache.

>>64431135

LAV video decoder is already included as an option, and xy-VSfilter has reached 3.0 stable and is really ready to replace VSfilter completely, so hopefully that will change in the next pack, the last thing would be to include MadVR as an option for your renderer, but I'm not sure if that will happen.

>>64431133
>Implying anyone checked on a proper source that the colors are more accurate with MPC-HC than with VLC

Considering I'm fairly sure that hasn't been done, I can't tell which one is superior.

So a normalfag friend asked me for some anime. If I give him some 10bit, what's the easiest way to get him to run it? I don't want to get him to do the whole MPC setup. Should be just get the newest VLC or I think I heard something about MPlayer being easier to set up now?

>>64431135
There's no reason to update it yet since it still plays everything just fine. Don't expect another update for a few more months unless a new format comes out.

>>64431191
/jp/ has always had people dickriding /prog/, though. I guess now their love has just overflowed, like in my Chinese girl cartoons

ugly icon

>>64431214
> I heard something about MPlayer being easier to set up now?
$ apt-get install mplayer

>>64431214

Either use the latest MPlayer2 build, or just link him to this:

http://underwater.nyaatorrents.org/?nav=playback

>>64431214
Easiest way is CCCP.

>>64431191
>>64431201
those poor guys are getting shafted by /jp/.
The last citadel was good while it lasted, even if I only visited it to appreciate the difference in user base.

>>64430121
This. Anyone who doesn't use notepad belong to gaia. Pic related.

ALRIGHT I just went and installed and setup mpc/lav/haali.

tested it against vlc.

...

what is the difference? I've never had "banding" or "faded colors" or that pixelation flipout shit with VLC, and mpc plays the exact same.

what is the point of wasting all that time?

>>64431311

Looks like you need to update your codecs anon, notepad clearly isn't playing back correctly for you.

>>64431327
We just really hate traffic cones.

>>64431327
try playing new anime on it

>>64431359
It's been ages since 10bit is supported by VLC. Pretty much as soon as the 10bit hype started.

>>64431327
VLC can't handle the color gradient as well ,and bugs out when you try to play old files.
You won't really notice these unless you are attentive to that kind of detail, or you get used to watching with Mplayer/Smplayer/MPC and are forced to switch to VLC.

>>64431398
But that's wrong only the unstable testing versions supported 10bit. When it updated to 2.0 it finally added support.

>>64431359

You're actually more likely to notice a difference watching older low resolution stuff, compared to the likes of MadVR, VLC is still shit at upscaling.

>>64431461
And at the time you also needed unstable CCCP.

Your point is ?

Forced to use it because MPlayer for OSX won't pass through a dolby digital signal (even when I set the preferences in MPlayer to do it). Read online about having to use Perian and terminal to do a passthrough. Doesn't work and more trouble than it's worth.

VLC has encoded Digital Output (Encoded Output) that puts out a true dolby surround signal. Video looks perfect under 10bit so no idea why people seem to think it sucks.

> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpc-hc/files/MPC%20HomeCinema%20-%20Win32/MPC-HC%20v1.6.1.4235_32%20
bits/MPC-HomeCinema.1.6.1.4235.x86.exe/stats/map

> that feel when MPC-HC gets less than 1% of the downloads VLC gets
> that feel when MPC-HC is only popular in brasil and russia

MPC-HC was spammed here by the devs. Seriously.

I use SMplayer2 because, for some godforsaken reason, my netbook refuses to run MPC. It just freezes. I installed the imouto.my version and CCCP, and it just shits itself as soon as it starts up. SMplayer2 works perfectly and without slowdown, even on some 1080p stuff.

Off-topic, I just went over to /prog/ for a while and holy balls, what the fuck happened? Did /jp/ raid it or something? They're not even making constant programming jokes anymore. Fucking /jp/edos man. Why'd they have to ruin a decent bard?

>>64431493
CCCP released a stable version much earlier from what I remember and if you didn't want to use that you could install just lavfilters.

VIRAL

>>64431135
I would wager that you'll be seeing a new version of CCCP around in a few months with most notable change being xy-VSFilter replacing vanilla VSFilter. Though before that certain colorspace/matrix issues need to be worked out. Hopefully the end result of all of this is that typesetting will become easier because you won't have to color match BT.709 (HD) videos in BT.601 anymore.

>>64431327
VLC never caused banding, that's a different issue.

>>64431856

Are you really hoping for the new subtitle renderer < - > video renderer interface to be finished by the time the new CCCP is out? Because otherwise I'm not sure if Yuzhuo is planning to change how xy-VSfilter deals with colour since he's trying to keep it as compatible with typesetting done for VSfilter as possible, and he's still on a break anyway, so even if they do come up with a finalized standard for the new interface for how to deal with RGB conversion by default, they've still to actually implement them into both MadVR and xy-VSfilter.

That's all irrelevant really though since VSfilter has the same behaviour currently, so it doesn't prohibit the current version of xy-VSfilter being integrated into CCCP in any way. Also didn't an aegisub dev that in the 3.0 release they were going to change it to use the BT.601 standard by default to save typesetters having to force it?

Because I have a mpc-hc setup that works perfectly, and allows me to watch 1080p or hi10 on a computer, that spend more time here than your average new knight of the order.

And I have mplayer2 with smplayer if I use Linux.

>rebuilding font cache

Every fucking time that I want to play an .mkv
fuck everything, i'm back to mpc-hc

>>64432107
>Are you really hoping for the new subtitle renderer < - > video renderer interface to be finished by the time the new CCCP is out?

No. I'm waiting for people to sort out the "Script Colorspace" thing and xy-VSFilter to add support for it, which should be pretty easy to do once it's been cleared how the markup is going to work on Aegisub's side.

>Also didn't an aegisub dev that in the 3.0 release they were going to change it to use the BT.601 standard by default to save typesetters having to force it?

That's still open in the air, and if the aforementioned xy-VSFilter support for it can be added (which again, shouldn't be hard since xy-VSFilter can already render in both BT.601 and BT.709) and finds it way into CCCP, there would be no reason for Aegisub to have that option on by default.

>>64432386

I feel like we're just repeating the discussion from Issue 40 here, but the issue becomes what behaviour to use as the default I thought? Since I know xy-VSfilter can handle BT.709, but if it defaults to that wont it break compatibility with any TSing written for the old behaviour that expect it not to, or am I misunderstanding the issue? It would be great I'm sure to just move everything to BT.709, and even if it breaks older typesetting somewhat I really wouldn't have a problem with it, but I'm sure a lot of people would, including the xy-VSfilter dev. Although I guess we haven't actually heard his opinion on it since he's been away for so long.

>>64432633
>but if it defaults to that

As has been discussed in Issue 40, the sane option here would obviously be to default to BT.601 for scripts that don't have the colorspace information written to them, and use the colorspace information with scripts that have it. That way you keep backwards compatibility while working exactly as planned with new scripts.

>>64431311
>not using Notepad++

>It supports 10 bit now. What's your excuse for not using it?
It can't play back m2ts correctly even with assistance from the GPU.

>>64432699
I TRIED TO DO AND MY COMPUTER FROZE WHAT DO I DO

>>64432678

Makes sense, but I'm still not sure if there's any actual plans to implement that into xy-VSfilter before further development of that interface, since most of the discussion about it seems to be between madshi and various other random people that I presume to be typesetters, the actual xy-VSfilter dev hasn't made a statement on it. Oh well, guess we'll see when he gets back from his break.

I don't like the icon.

Because i use MplayerX which works flawlessly and has a really good minimal design.

When I get my raspberry pi I'm going to make some screenshots by streaming video to it with VLC, and using VLC to play it back. 1080p in 10bit of course.

I only do this because I love you /a/.

>>64433453
At least you'll be using VLC for what it's made for. Actually I fixed my m2ts issue, I needed to give VLC a larger File/Disc caching buffer, which goes against the "it just works" attitude of VLC users anyway.

But it also leads into my other big issue with VLC, the Preferences is a fucking mess.

>>64433667
I know what the intended purpose of VLC is, I'm just trying to create the most hideously garbled mess possible because I think /a/ will find it funny.

>only support 10bit months after
>cant do it better than MPC-HC
>expect people to switch
Yeah, no.

Also the audio fucking sucks.

>>64433759
Sadly, it will probably work just fine.

I thought mpchc was supposed to good.

>>64434020
If you don't know how to configure settings, you don't deserve to watch anime anyway.

>>64434073
I've been using mpchc for ages, its configured correctly. That has only ever happened on that episode at that time. I shat my pants when it happened. I assumed that the video was fucked.

>>64434126
If that's the case, then you are probably right.

>>64434126

Probably, check on the Elysium site to see if there's a patch for it or at least a mention of it.

>>64434147
The best idea first would be to check the CRC. But if it only happened once at that time I could wonder if the episode was downloading at the time or something.

What the hell is 10bit?

>>64434171
It happens at that time every time. And the patch links are dead.

Media Player Classic

By far my favorite

It supports 10bit.

But it sucks at supporting 10bit.

Support != to be good at.

>>64434147
The videofile was corrupted.
Check the "patch", it's almost as big as the original file (it's the videofile which gets merged with the audio- and subfile from your original encode). The difference to the v2 release is only ~100MBs, so just hop on the torrent and get that.

>>64434221

Ah I see, it was a known issue but the patches are hosted on FS and MU, so obviously you can't get them. The best bet is probably just to post there or bug them in the shoutbox to re-upload the patch really.

>>64432743
update your codecs
that, or get out of /a/

I don't get it, who tells people to use VLC in the first place?

>>64434416
Assholes

>>64434416
But it just werk...

>>64434416

VLC viral marketing team, isn't it obvious?

>>64434450
They're trying to sell us some free shit?

>10 bit

>>64434475

The most evil plan of all.

Goddamn hi10.

I need a new bedroom HTPC. Something low power and compact. How well does the Atom D2700 or E450 handle hi10p?

Because Gom Player is superior.

Anybody else remember computer illiterate teachers using vlc to play videos? It's like the standard for schools, around here anyway.

because i have mac

>>64434701

Nope, I do remember them trying to get realplayer to work whenever they wanted to play a DVD though. It never did.

>>64434701

I don't think VLC even existed or was popular when I was taught in school about computers (Middle-school).

But no. Teachers focused on Microsoft programs and typing.

>>64434701
I heard about something similar at a German con (which I didn't attend). They had massive problems playing anime properly, because VLC fucked up and every visitor was like: "Why don't you guys use MPC anyway?". Shamefur dispray.

>>64430090
>>64431311
>>64432699
>not using vanilla notepad.

>>64434954
>Not playing your anime on a monochrome monitor.

I've been using MPC HC+madVR for a while now and had no problems. Except that I can't take screenshots with it. Are there better alternatives yet or should I stick with it?

>>64430090
What the fuck? I play my anime through Java after programming a GUI in Eclipse.

Get on my level.

>>64435117
Change your renderer, some don't allow taking screenshots.
Try Haali for once.
I don't see why so many people use madVR anyway, I mean, it uses much more CPU but the benefit over other renderers is barely noticeable. It seems like it's just "the cool think to do" nowadays since it's a brandnew one.
Meh.

>>64435159
>not watching anime by experiencing the electromagnetic field around your LAN cable as you download it

>>64435159
I stream my anime.

Now, try to get on MY level if you dare.

What the hell is wrong with CCCP and why should I change? I've been using CCCP since fuck-knows-when, and all this putting VLC on a pedestal is truly beyond me.

>>64435229
Don't mind it, it's just trolls/idiots going on about it. You just keep using CCCP like a sane person.

>>64435229
There's nothing wrong with CCCP. In case you somehow couldn't tell, these are troll threads.

The only way could possibly upgrade from CCCP to make your anime viewing experience better is to use madVR but not every computer can handle it. Otherwise you don't need to do anything.

>>64435278
Using madVR makes your experience so much better... how?
What's the difference?

>>64435311
Probably the best renderer you can get. Problem is that it may make your computer lag liek fuck as it can't handle it.

Use this
http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205#guide

Ignore the bits about getting rid of CCCP and just skip to adding madVR and the settings you should use. You can use madVR on top of CCCP just fine. If you lag just get rid of madVR and carry on like normal.

>>64435536
Also if you are using madVR use LAV as well.

>>64435536
Well, what makes i better than other renderes?
If it utilizes 80% of my CPU and only handles things a bit better than other renderes, it's not really worth it.

>>64435596
It gives the highest quality available. Though some say it's not worth it unless you can handle it fine.

>>64435311
You won't need the guide in >>64435536, especially if you're already using CCCP. You only need to install madVR on top of CCCP and it'll work just fine and dandy. See the madVR section here for more info:

http://underwater.nyaatorrents.org/?nav=playback

>>64435706
Since you are here Daiz...

Do you perosnally think the benefit of madVR is worth it, given that my PC can handle it, of course?

>>64435748
Yeah, I find it worth it myself. Subtitles look sharper with better upscaling algorithms (but not too sharp like with ISR) - see picture related (720p->1080p, EVR-CP bilinear upscaling vs. madVR Spline 3-tap upscaling).

Reds also look better compared to EVR-CP, which you can see an example of in this comparison (look at outlines of the red vest):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/97892

>>64435842
Thanks.

>>64435842
You're such a nigger. You can get glorious subtitle rendering with mplayer2 or ISR if you want. Instead you fuck with the video to make the subtitles look better. It's 2012, man, you'Re fucking around with 1998 crap.