Phantom of Inferno was a deconstruction of the mafia genre.
Kikokugai was a deconstruction of the cyberpunk and wuxia genres.
Saya no Uta was a deconstruction of Charlotte's Web.

>>63995066
This shit sounds made up.

HOLY SHIIT DUUUBS

Funny, now rip offs are called deconstructions.

Someone asked him about Kamen Rider Ryuuki?

[citation needed]

I'd be very pleased if this were real, but I assume it's either fake or a "liberal" translation.

I can't wait for deconstruction becoming mainstream. I actually hate most of his work except phantom. I think it's pretentious especially Uta.

>>63995193
>>63995274

It's real..

http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Sakura-Con_2012_Interview

>Urobuchi: I like gay men and dicks in my anus.

>Didn't mention Utena
Mainstream pleb.

AIDS is a deconstruction of Africans

>>63995571
[citation needed]

>>63995511
>>63995511
>>63995511
>>63995511
>>63995511

>>63995511

Motherfucker...

>>63995230
Nothing is original, good artists imitate, great artists steal.

>>63995607
>Utena
>worth mentioning.

In during deconstruction of the deconstruction genre.

>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.
I like this guy. What a glorious bastard.

I was at both of his panels, he is really funny. Loved his response to the last guy's question at Saturday's panel.

>>63995066
>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.
FUCK THIS SHIT

>Urobuchi: Well, Madoka Magica is not the first show to deconstruct a genre; Neon Genesis Evangelion deconstructed the giant robot genre. Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.

You guys do realise he's making fun of the question and interviewer right?

Japan hates that word even more.

What is deconstruction in Japanese?

>>63995066
Looks like Urobuchi is learning fast

>>64002382
>implying deconstruction is even a word in Japan

>>64002417
how to troll retards..ops... anime fans

>>63996494

Urobochi's trolling level knows no bounds, man..

>>64002460
ＤＥＣＯＮＳＴＲＵＣＴＩＯＮ

There you go, Japan enough for you?

>>64002484
>still missing the point

>>64002484
WHATA FUCK MAN xD i just fall of my chair kuz i couldnt and i CANT stop laugh xDXDXDXDXDDDDDDDDDDDDXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD OMGOSH DDDDDXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDDD LOOOOOOOOOLLLLL THIS IS A SHIT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD A BIG ONE XDXDDDDDDDDD A GRAT ONE XXXXXXDDDD CONGRATS MAN XD

I'd like to see a Super Robot show by him, although the comparisons to both Bokurano and Eva would haunt the series from day one.

>>64002484
>Implying they type like that on 2chan

>>64002502

The answer is deconstructed, you idiot.

>>63995066

Great.

I'm surprised TVtropes' influence is that far reaching. I wouldn't have expected a Japanese person to be aware of, let alone believe in their shitty definition of the word.

All anime after 2007 have actually been RECONSTRUCTIONS.

>>64002404

脱構築

Datsukouchiku

>>63995066
>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.

WE HAVE A NEW DEFINITION, PEOPLE!

god damn it Urobuchi, you magnificent bastard.

Gen is a retard. He thinks going into Barnes & Nobles and seeing all the Naruto manga on bookshelves somehow means that Japanese light novels are popular in America.

>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.

>>64002515
I hope his Toei movie will be a mecha show.

>>64002566
Holy shit.

>>64002566

But what did he say about Fate/Zero?

>>64002590
He probably though that everything form Japan is some obscure shit for nerds in USA, and was pleasantly surprised when he saw that anime fans can walk in daylight in USA, unlike in Japan.

>>64003558
You've obviously never been to Akihabara.

>>64003558
>walk in daylight
>/a/

I think you're confused here...

Did he show his face to the nico nico booth or no?

INIGO
MOTHERFUCKING
MONTOYA

>deconstruction
You steel keep using that word.jpg

>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.
You fucking serious.

Great laugh, thanks op.

I can't wait for the deconstructions of deconstructionism.

>>64003618

But it actually has some meaning, now...

>sees disgustingly crumpled, greasy finger smeared copies of naruto and bleach in the back of a Barnes and Noble store
>thinks that light novels are therefore socially accepted in America

there's more disgust felt towards the smelly narutards that clutters the aisles of a business that doesn't particularly appreciate their kind of non-purchasing loiterer that drives away paying customers than he can understand

>>64003558
>when he saw that anime fans can walk in daylight in USA, unlike in Japan.

>Implying One Piece, Detective Conan, PreCure, Sazae-san fans aren't everywhere in Japan during daylight hours

>Implying Akihabara doesn't exist

>>64003668
>I can't wait for the deconstructions of deconstructionism.
Reconstructions > deconstructions.

K-ON! is the deconstuction of the moe genre, no wonder it's shit, we need more manly anime like bebop.

>>64002566
pfffhahahahaha

GO GO UROBUCHI!!

>>63995066
what does deconstruction really mean in anime anyway?

>>64004751

You take a concept apart and reconstruct it in a different way while still keeping the original leylines behind it intact.

>Perhaps all the manga I write will be deconstructions.

I dont even know what that word means

>>64004751
Buzzword idiots use if an anime is doing something slightly original.

call me when he makes a deconstruction of the precure genre

>>63995769
new sincerity?

in during post-post modernism

ITT we made up words that sounds cool at a glance

Progressive deconstructivism.
Platonic impressivism
Postsocial multiculturalism

>>64005348
Pre-anal ejaculation.

>>64004941

Basically it means something like :

"You know that show you liked ?"
"I'm going to take it's concept and make something completely different with it and give it such a tweest that it will make what was once nice, complete shit."

>>64005348
>Platonic impressivism
This would be ef ~melodies.

Deconstructive High School Girl Anime.

People, they teach this stuff at school. Try taking some English classes.

>>64005399
MGX and Prunus Girl too.

>>64005437

Nope; the only way in which Madoka fits the mold of a deconstruction is if you use the TV Tropes definition of the term. No serious English class would classify Madoka as a deconstruction because, for starters, no serious English class teaches genre literature.

>>64005381
No it means to tear up or subvert and examine the conventions of a genre/whatever, if you don't examine it then it's pointless and not a deconstruction.

>>64005537
At least that's the theory I subscribe to (thus clearly the correct one)

>>64005498

Not true, they teach it in Adolescent Literature.

>>64005537
>>64005582
Do you think that Urobuchi tried to examine the conventions of mahou shoujo genre in Madoka?

>>64005537
Exactly. But it isn't done in a fictious work. It's non-fiction.

The tvtropes version of the definition can be used for everything that is slightly original.

>>64005626
I'm fairly sure it can be done as a work of fiction but it would be something closer to ragged trouser philanthropists than fate/zero.

>>64005611
Well isn't the convention that everything is all sparkly and happy and the power of friendship and love overcomes all and the good guys always win and live happily ever after.

It's not happy, timetravel bitch's love isn't enough to save the day, and you don't get a perfectly happy ending.

I don't know if doing what Madoka did is a deconstruction, but it certainly highlighted the 'tropes' of the magical girl genre by not following them.

>>64005702
How does he examine it? he just does something different.

>serious english class
>marxist garbage
sounds about right

>>64005702

What tropes do they highlighted? If anything, Minky Momo was a bigger deconstruction back in the 80's, with Momo losing her powers due to a low-tier criminal destroying her magic pendant with a gun and then dying in a car accident.

>>64005702
So it was original and downplayed some tropes and suddenly it's a deconstruction? Utena and Princess Tutu were a lot better than that, then. They use no common mahou shoujo tropes at all.

HURF DURF DUHRRRR

TOKYO MAGNITUDE EIGHT POINT ZERO IS A DECONSTRUCTION OF THE JAPANESE CAPITAL.

IT DECONSTRUCTS THE ELEMENTS OF JAPAN

AM I DEEP AND EDGY NOW??? XD

>>64005803
Don't make Madoka less a "deconstruction" though.

I still fucking remember that truck episode, goddamit I was still at my 8 or 9 years age. Leave me a lot of memories.

>>64005866
He's asking you for argumets to prove Madoka is a deconstruction and which tropes they highlight. Answer the question.

>>64005803

And in season 2 Momo's successor ultimately admits that magic isn't the solution to her problems and decides to keep working as a normal human to achieve her goal.

>>64005800
It's massively relevant to the situation of the times and is still somewhat relevant today. Much like marx himself, agree/disagree with what he writes he's still relevant. His literary theories were important too

>>63995511
>Wiki
>real

Jesus Christ that's one ugly Mexican

>>64005897

I was not him, but let me try to answer.

I think the strongest tropes that was highlighted was the hard work and guts of everyone else that is finally deemed useless and worthless because Madoka's wish fixed everything.

Especially when Homura cried about her wasted effort of trying to save Madoka.

>>64006000
Plus the fact that all Homura's love and willpower still wasn't enough, and she was actually making things worse with her efforts.

>>64005758
>How does he examine it? he just does something different.

It's not something different, the original concept is still present.

For all purposes, Madoka is still in the Mahou Shoujo gender.

>>64006000
>hard work and guts
>useless and worthless
if anything, in the new Alternate Universe, the only thing that's keeping them alive and going is their hard work and guts

>>64006033
But how does it examine it? highlighting something isn't the same as examining it.

>>64006071
>But how does it examine it?

Maybe something like this :

Step 1, does it have a henshin scene?

Most people defending Madoka have barely watched any mahou shoujo at all so they don't even know what tropes it highlights. They think Sailor Moon = every mahou shoujo ever.

>>64006054
So, actually Madoka's wish is the thing that allowed hard work and guts in the first place by destroying magic cost (turning into witch)?

Good point, but still confusing for me.

>>64006093

>does it have a henshin scene?

Mami, 2~3 times.

Breaking news! Madoka is fucking garbage! More at 11.

>>64006153
I wouldn't go that far, it was good, but most fans defending it have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

>>64006093
What?

Can't we just force anyone that want's to use the word deconstruction to read Derrida?

>>64004851
oh I see.so it could be good if it is done right

>>64006184
It was slightly above average but nothing to bust a gut over.
I really can't understand the high rating explosion that it got, am I missing something?

>>64006105
Yes. In turn, the beast spirit exists. I don't remember how the "Beast Spirit" or whatever that weird robed monster men should represent, but there was a doodle that explains all of that.

Whatever the beast spirits are, it's implied to be less effective than the Witch Harvest plan

>>64006153

You are a hipster, More at 11.

>>64006213
I'm beginning to think that it's a conspiration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

Go educate yourselves.

>>64006226
They're just a form of Mankinds general grief.
Which really makes no sense because if mankinds grief could manifest why wasn't it doing that in the other world too?

he is not 100% japanese, right? perhaps a flip/that descendant

Playing around with commonly used themes doesn't mean you've "deconstructed" a genre. There are no "inconstistencies" that need to be uncovered by taking a more logical route. Madoka isn't the anti-magical girl series. It's just grimmer and more cold. The universe is brutally deterministic and uncaring.

I don't even call Watchmen a deconstruction.

>>64006251
I got to "post-colonialism" before I burst out laughing

/a/ is a deconstruction of the anime board genre

Deconstruction is not a buzzword anymore

>>64006260

> why wasn't it doing that in the other world too?

Because the universe rules were Deconstructed, did you even watched the anime? Retard.

>>64004014
Can I get the name of the addon/userscript please?

>>64006304
You're right

>>64006279
Fairly sure there have been plenty of legitimate essays about why it is one.

>>64006321
>Everyone starts using it in the most retarded possible ways
>Not a buzzword anymore

If Madoka was a deconstruction, what constructed the Mahou Shoujo genre?

>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.

>>64006361
I would say Sailor Moon, but Cardcaptor Sakura BECAME the true face of Magical Girl.

>>64004851
>You take a concept apart and reconstruct it in a different way while still keeping the original leylines behind it intact.

I don't get the point of this topic.

>>64006388
>Cardcaptor Sakura BECAME the true face of Magical Girl.

And then Nanoha deconstructed that.

>>64006279

Retards use the world "deconstruction" because is long and normal people don't grasp its meaning.

You can do like Urobuchi, call everything a deconstruction an laugh in their faces.

>>64006391
Like you see, you take table and then destroy it and then make something that doesn't necessarily a table but people still can put things on it.

>>64006405
You just deconstructed it.

>>64006391
You should probably ignore what he says.

>>64004751
Deconstruction is when you take an element of a genre/medium/whatever and portray it in a realistic/pessimistic manner.

If you think about it, Fate/Zero is the deconstruction of the Fate franchise.

>>64006434

>>64006358

Is a deconstruction of the buzzwords

>>64006434
No it isn't read Deridda's works.

>>64006443
And Saya no Uta is a deconstruction of the romance genre.

>>64006434
Not really.

>>64006443
Little Busters anime is the deconstruction of the LB franchise.

>>64006423

word* hurr

>>64006434
Not at all.

The word "deconstruction" doesn't exist in Japanese in that way. The translator probably didn't even use the word, and if he did probably gave him a rough understanding of how someitimes its used out West and related it to Evangelion.

This thread is silly. Just because deconstruction has become a buzzword does not mean authors are not allowed to attempt deconstructions anymore.

>>64006434
So you're saying a deconstruction is when you take a perfectly normal show and add lots of grimdark to it? That doesn't sound right.

>>64006434

No, thats Grimdark, with mature content for mature people like myself

>>64006426

The thing is that's still a table. Maybe it doesn't look the same way it did before you broke it down and "reconstructed" it but the final product is a table.

Madoka is still a magical girl series. It's interesting but not exceptional. Nothing new about it.

>>64006434
By your logic, Elfen Lied is a deconstruction of the Harem Genre.

>>64006496
>The word "deconstruction" doesn't exist in Japanese in that way.

See, >>64004014

Wait, deconstruction deals with symbols, right? What kind of symbols does the mahou shoujo genre usually has?

Henshin, frilly costume, morphing into someone who you're not to solve other people problems, usign magic...

>>64006535
>School Days
>Deconstruction
>Harem
FTFY

gantz is a deconstruction of the power rangers super sentai genre thing. .

>>64006354

Define "legitimate". I take a guess that few of them have Derrida's methodology in mind.

>>64006563
No it doesn't, it's a theory of literary criticism.

Urobuchi just saw the chomp in MLA and copypasted it in this show, even the timeloop sheningans were done the exact same way in S;G and Sumaga.
He will never be able to do anything original in his life

>>64006563
How you fight for Justice, Truth and Love.

The world of Madoka shits down on people who does that (Mami, Kyouko, Madoka, Seyiku)

>>64006563
Deconstruction is a non-fictional work that looks at the tropes and compares them to reality.

>>64006497

The problem is that hipsters and retards keep using that word without knowing their meaning.

>>64006609
It's Urobuchi.
He's a hack that people worship for some reason.
What more do you expect?

>>64006547
That is about the concept as coined by Derridia. That has nothing to do with bastardization on the part of TVtropes and anime fans.

>>64006621
>Madokafags
>Hipsters
They're the exact opposite. Hype bandwagoners.

If you're all so mad about how TVTropes and the general anime community have defined deconstruction, which word would YOU use for what is considered a deconstruction in that sense?

>>64006585
I mean symbols in the literary criticism context.

>>64006575
I don't know, I'm aware of them I haven't read them, I don't have that much time.

>>64006661
Grimdark.

>>64006661
Flipperflopper.

>>64006641
>Derridia
No-one understood what he was on about anyway

>>64006661
A good story.

>>64006661
Borrowing TVTropes, words, "wholesale trope subversion"

>>64006658

>hipsters and retards

Guess what a big part of Madoka fans are.

>>64006661
>>64006675

This is almost true though. Most genres of fiction started out very idealistic, and all the popular "deconstruction" injected a portion of pessimistic realism into them.

>>64006661
2Deep4u

This post is the deconstruction of reverse trolling.

>>64006344
>doesn't know rikaichan/rikaikun

>>64006661
TV tropes is shit and anyone that takes it seriously is a dumbass.

>>64006661
>Have defined deconstruction
The thing is, as soon as we lost meaning of deconstruction, nothing means anything anymore. This is the same thing that's happened to Moe, Waifu and 3DPD and it will happen with deconstruction

I'll have to take the "TVTropes defined deconstruction" stance solely because the /a/nons haven't agreed to the definite meaning of deconstruction

Why would you use a technical critical theory term if you don't have any idea what it means? I don't go around calling CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT a "Lorenz Transformation," that would be equally stupid.

>>64006619
No. Deconstruction is essentially an approach to analysis that concerns itself with meaning we associate with text. It shows these meanings are not axiomatic and can contradicted by the text itself. "Text" in this sense refers to anything.

>>64006661
It's nothing but a form of parody or satire.

>This entire thread

>>64006747
It's a bit more subjective what a deconstruction is than a lorentz transformation.

>>64006748
It can't be fictious unless they point their finger at it and put a huge fucking sign and say THIS IS THE POINT, or if it is a satire/parody.
Much like Might Gaine went out of it's way to say to the characters "lol, ur a fuckin toy designed to sell"

>>64006861
No it can be if it analyses itself within the text, which is probably a point made when arguing if watchmen is a deconstruction.

Eventually we're going to hit a point where anime is gonna need to come up with completely new shit. When every genre begins to get deconstructions that break down the tropes (Madoka, Evangelion), or homages that take the tropes and crank 'em up to 5000% (TTGL) soon we're just gonna see the best ways these types of shows are played straight, or screwed around with, and nothing will be interesting anymore.

>>64006842
Deconstruction is not subjective in the sense that you think it's subjective. Derridia intentionally left it vague to make a point about the concept, in how meaning is not axiomatic.

The problem with the use of "deconstruction" among some parts of the anime fandom is that it stems from complete ignorance and pretentiousness. It's more so that someone completely misunderstood the definition, saw some words that they did understand, and then decided what it meant based on that and erroneously applied it to anime (Eva) even though it makes no sense.

>>64006933
Didn't read Watchmen, but isn't that essentialy what I was saying? It was mentioned and discussed within the story itself.

>>64006960
We're inevitably going to get new spins on things that will influence the future yes, just look at Gundam, Tomino was like "I can make an anime war drama with giant robots being weapons instead of heroes" and anime was changed forever, but I wouldn't call mobile suit gundam a deconstruction.

>>64006960
You're really dumb.

>>64006995
There is a difference between being self aware and analysing. It's a weird and debatable point. Which is why no one thought of watchmen as a deconstruction until people started writing long essays about why it is.

>>64006960
Oh come one. just look at the 80's. 90% of the anime were mecha and I'm not exagerating like the faggots complaining about "moe" and "fanservice" killing anime.

>>64006978
Yes I know, I used subjective in that way because it was the best way to say it and works on pretty much every level.

>>64007071
Watchmen confirmed for deconstructing the deconstruction genre.

>>64007129
I hate you and the things you like.

isn't in the end applying this kind of treatment to madoka is about finding the reason why people like it?

>>64006960
Except nothing is "new". Everything is simply built upon the most basic plots invented thousands of years ago. This isn't an anime thing. This is a storytelling thing in general.

Stuff like Madoka and Evangelion aren't "deconstructions". That is not how deconstruction works. Did you even read the thread?

>>64007071
>no one thought of watchmen as a deconstruction until people started writing long essays about why it is.

So since people can't stop hailing Madoka as a deconstruction it's slowly becoming one?

Deconstruction: Yet another attempt by Evafags to salvage the reputation of their anime when others pointed out that it's not so "deep" after all.

>>64006748
>axiomatic
FUCK SHIT. I don't want to go to dictionary dot com when I have to. Next time, explain it to us in layman's term instead of trying to obviously copypaste it from some DEEP and EDGY website.

Yes, I sound butthurt.

>No. Deconstruction is essentially an approach to analysis that concerns itself with meaning we associate with text. It shows these meanings are not self-evident and can contradicted by the text itself.
Well boo fucking hoo. It's slightly different from shit we're arguing about.
Deconstruction is an analysis of the reader/viewer and his reaction to the show and how it can either become a plot-hole or just plain retarded. Applying it realistically is one way of analysis.

Thanks for letting me speak my mind. I'm open to debate and criticism

My bone is the deconstruction of swords.

>>64007233
In all honesty I think that's the ONLY thing Evangelion succeeds at doing, genderswapping mecha hero archetypes, and giving them fucked up psyches.

If only the show went into that instead of PHILOSOPHICL BULLSHIITT!

>>64006748
Also, from what you're implying, the AUTHOR themselves can't make a deconstruction of their own show, which is the same dilemma of Mary Sue in canon literature

SO MUCH MAD

I wonder if Eva went through a period of being hated by Hipsters as well?

>>64007141

>>64007389
Check this thread out:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/62273710/#62275762

>Creator of Maderpa himself basically said Eva is the greatest anime ever.

>>64007428
Remember when nostalgia was good?

>>64007276
I don't really understand how I was being deep and edgy at all. I've been as layman as possible. I didn't realize "axiomatic" went above the understanding of people here.

You're misunderstanding that deconstruction is not something that something does. It's more so like acknowledgement that there is no objective meaning to something, and it can be shown that a meaning someone holds as being true is actually contradicted in the text itself.

>>64007318
Nothing can "be" a deconstruction. Deonstruction is concerned with how we interpret the world around us.

>>64007389
>I wonder if Eva went through a period of being hated by Hipsters as well?

That period is still going on.

>>64007476
Madoka and Eva feed off of each other. Really, popular opinion is that Eva was ZOMG SO DEEP and that Madoka is the only worthy successor to Eva.

>>64007536
>popular opinion is that Eva was ZOMG SO DEEP and that Madoka is the only worthy successor to Eva.
Neither of these statements are popular opinion.

>>64007498
> It's more so like acknowledgement that there is no objective meaning to something
Now I wonder what will happen if one tries to analyze the word "moe" using Derrida's method.

Should be interesting since "moe" is a word that have no inherent meaning and is very wide in its usage.

>>64007536
Evafags would disagree, though I guess we shouldn't give a shit about what Evafags think.

>>64007536
>>64007592
Of course they would.
Madoka´s characters are nowhere near Evangelion's.

>>64007635
Of course. Madoka's characters are actually good, after all.

>>64007476
>this is what EVA fans actually believe

>>64007635
Yeah, characters like Sayaka and Kyouko are miles and miles about people with daddy issues.

>>64006661
Genre subversion.

>>64007670
Even the biggest madokafags disagree.

I've never watched Meduka or Neon Genesis Evangelion, but I can say that they're both really popular and critically acclaimed.

They also invite a ton of backlash.

that wiki is wrong. it wasn't even Gen who said Eva was a deconstruction it was the producer of aniplex and Gen said perhaps all scripts he writes are deconstructions implying that was just his natural writing style.

throughout both q&a sessions they stated numerous times that Thu didn't make madoka to be a deconstruction and that was coined in post production by fans and they stuck with it.

No, stop it. Evangelion is the most overrated show of all time.

It's not better than anything actually good.

>>64007498
>Nothing can "be" a deconstruction. Deonstruction is concerned with how we interpret the world around us.
Have you ever tried re-reading anything you write? Because you sure sounds like a pretentious clusterfuck.

>>64006535
Incorrect, because the harem wasn't the focus.

>>64007770
>Because you sure sounds like a pretentious clusterfuck.
Butthurt Modernist detected.

>>64007764
Any source on this?

>>64007823
Yeah, being as grimdark and gory as possible was it's real focus.

>>64007129
>Watchmen confirmed for deconstructing the deconstruction genre.
I tried in good faith to not automatically dismiss tripfags, but you're a stellar example of mindless attention whoring.

Regarding the use of the word "deconstruction", IIRC, the word was not directly translated by the translator, but explained, and the translation of his comments used "deconstruction" as that was the specific word used in the question.

As for video, while there were press who recorded the session, no video or still photography from non-press were allowed here or the Q&A panel after the Fate/Zero screening (I did not attend the Madoka Q&A panel, but I am assuming that it was the same for that as well).

>>64007823
The harem wasn't the deconstructed trope, magical girlfriend was.

>>64007498
So you're saying that it's stupid to call something a Deconstruction since it's no

Then what should we call them, then?

>>64005946
I've heard about your kind. Even presented with evidence, you still shirk away from the truth.

Madoka isn't anything especial.
It doesn't subvert the genre and it's pretty mediocre compared to other Mahou Shoujo.

>>64007983
I'm sure if you say it enough times people will start to believe you. /a/ is pretty impressionable, after all.

>>64007950
What should we call what, exactly? I have an idea of what you're saying and I have an idea of what it is called, but I'd like for you to tell me exactly the concept you're trying to map a word to.

>>64007983
SHOWS OVER FOLKS

SOME GUY ON 4CHAN SAID MADOKA ISN'T ANYTHING SPECIAL

PACK YOUR BAGS, STOP GIVING OUT AWARDS, WRITE SOME YURI DOUJINS ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, WE ARE LEAVING

>>64007852
well I was there for one. hey didn't allow anyone to record anything so that wiki is also from someone who sat there.

Also their translator was terrible Jesus christ I can't believe they couldn't get him a proper translator

>>64007983
Yeah, because we're having so many thread about Mahou Shoujo that constantly hit limits all the time.

You can't... explain... deconstruction... it's like the waves. Waves come in, waves comes out. You can't explain that.

>>64007966
He must be a hardcore Republican.

>>64008024
>>64008042
Madofags don't even have arguments to prove why the the show is good.
Popularity and awards don't make something automatically good.

>>64007950

Why do you feel the need to call it anything other than what we know it is?

>>64008111
>Popularity and awards don't make something automatically good.
This was always one of the statements given that pisses me off. How would you determine something is good with an unbiased attitude? I enjoyed Madoka, Madoka gets tons of threads, Madoka gets tons of awards, Madoka gets green-lighted for multiple movies, Madoka has thousands upon thousands of fan art pictures,, Madoka broke some Blu-Ray records, and Madoka make SHAFT rich enough to make Nise all about Fan Service.

>>64008212
I like Madoka.

But Madoka was shit I thought /a/ had come to this agreement ages ago. I guess it just depends what time of day you are on here seeing as the majority of /a/ constantly proves itself to have shit taste. Same people who thought Steins Gate was good.

I like how Gen acts like he is hot shit when the only reason madoka gets praised is because of Ino Curry's art and Shinbo's directing.
>>64008212
>make SHAFT rich enough to make Nise all about Fan Service.
Yeah, no.
Bakemonogatari(the prequel) sold more than Madoka

>>64008270
Yeah. Daytime /a/ thinks it's shit because it's full of edgy newfags, night-time /a/ recognizes a masterpiece when it sees one.

>>64008212
Nise was never supposed to be released.
Nisio only wrote it as fap material.

Urostruction

>>64008212
A 'good' show? Because that's something like Cowboy Bebop, or 5 Cm. Per second
I think you are confusing 'good' with 'most argued/well known'
if something is popular, it doesn't mean it's good, just that a lot of people know it.

You have to admit, Madoka is popular on this board, a lot of people rage about it, but it is popular and well known

>>64008212
Everything you listed there is irrelevant to quality. Even if there was an objective measure of "good" (and there isn't), using something independent of the work such as popularity is fallacious.

>Madoka make SHAFT rich enough to make Nise all about Fan Service.
I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with Madoka and everything to do with the source.

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>>64008111
The main things that make Madoka good are tight pacing, striking visual design, and some memorable characters (QB, Homuhomu, Sayaka).

Inherent novelty of the premise or plotline, not so much. Its quality is mostly in the execution.

>>64008270
>But Madoka was shit I thought /a/ had come to this agreement ages ago

/a/ always liked Madoka from even when it was airing, you fucking idiot.

>>64008282
Well, who are going to argue with him. People like ZOMG GRIMDARK, and all the shit he's been writing are GRIMDARK DARKBAD. That will make any non-beta-faggot feels entitled.

Or maybe this year Japan will see how ponies are the new fads and they will drop DARKER AND EDGIER like hot potato to embrace rainbows and sparkles. One can hope.

>>64008282
The first BD volume sold 53,000 copies in its first week, 22,000 of which were sold on its first day, breaking the record previously held by the sixth BD volume of Bakemonogatari.

>>64008334
'Good' is subjective to people. I only found half of the episodes of Cowboy Bebop 'good' while the others just grinded my gears. If you have enough popularity with enough awards and money out the wazoo, it's considered to be generally 'good'.

>>64008348
When you can't possibly observe something directly, you have to observe it from the effect it makes to its environment.

>>64008270
/a/ loved it when it was airing. Get your head out of your ass.

>>64008354
Don't compare Madoka to Evangelion.

madoka a shit

>>64008421
The only conclusion you can make from popularity of a work is how much a group of people like something, at best. You cannot come to any conclusions to internal qualities of the work.

>>64008389
Heck, I still remember waking up in the middle off the night just to wait for new madoka PV one year ago, and copypasting episode staffs from AS so we can have something to discuss about.

>>64008348
You're just focusing on your biased opinion. You're so short minded that you can't possibly believe that other people might really like something you don't.

I wish someone would make an anime based on a deconstruction on your brain. It would probably break records in financially ruining an anime studio.

Love how the thread is about Madoka when most of the questions on that panel were about Fate/Zero.

>>64008372
How were any of the characers memorable they didn't have personalities. All the show achived was yuri bating which fucked up any chance for good character interaction.

>>64008408
Why would only the first volume count? Madoka topped out several thousand k below Bakemonogatari.

>>64008423
Just like everything else the hipsters crawl out of the cracks to start hating. Seriously, it's getting annoying now.

>>64008470
Then what "objective" metric should we be using to judge the quality of a work of fiction?

>>64008501
Ffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuucccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yyyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

>>64008494
Except that I'm a fan of Madoka. However I'm also not a tool so I don't make claims that its good because other people like it.

>>64008401
>Or maybe this year Japan will see how ponies are the new fads and they will drop DARKER AND EDGIER like hot potato to embrace rainbows and sparkles. One can hope.

How retarded can you get?

>>64008372
I'll give you Kyubey and Sayaka.
Everyone else is just a forgettable plot device.

> dat feel when you realize there will be thousands of Madoka clones following the same "edgy deconstruction" format

>>64008514
I only stated that it broke some blu-ray records. Not that it shattered every single one.

>>64008544
Again, the anime about your brain would suck. It wouldn't make sense.

>>64006279
You can split hairs and says that the inconsistency that needs to be uncovered is that of furry animals guilting emotionally vulnerable girls into a lifetime of seriously dangerous combat and nobody having much of a problem with it.

And then the more logical route is portraying it in more realistic sense with less power of friendship and sparkles.

But really I just think it was an entertaining show, I couldn't care less about how deep, profound or relevant it was.

>>64008539
There is none because its inherently subjective. You can make your personal metric, maybe share it with some other people, but it will never be anymore valid than another metric except in the case of logical fallacy.

>>64008408

Now hold on a second, before I refute your points.
Are we really trying to have an intelligent argument on /a/?

People buying disks means nothing.

Bleach. Naruto.
I'm sure people bought lots and lots of disks, but that doesn't make the show good.

>>64008517
It's inevitable, since most of /a/ likes to hate a show the second it gets popular or when it generates a lot of decent discussions.

>>64008579

Grimdark and yuri were popular before madoka even aired
It's like saying K-ON is the cause of SoL and "moe"

Years and years later, you'll still be mad. Madoka and Evangelion are anime masterpieces, deal with it!

>>64008517
The word Hipster is too mainstream. Anyone that calls themselves a hipster, isn't one

>>64008423
>>64008389
Yeah and I also said in my post /a/ has shit taste. They hype up whatever drool that gets produced and shouts AOTY. Once the show gets to episode 4 and people realise there is no substance to the plot there is a trolling backlash. Madoka's finale was underwelming and had hardly any impact on /a/. Despite all the fun specualation nothing in the show interested or surprised me.

>>64008634
>I'm sure people bought lots and lots of disks
You'd be wrong. Only otaku buy BDs, WSJ stuff doesn't sell in that market.

>>64008624
But this has nothing to do with deconstruction. That isn't really an "inconsistency" either. What is meant by "inconsistency" in the sense of deconstruction is inconsistencies with what we believe a meaning of something to be and what it can actually mean in another way.

>>64008687
Now that is some seriously postmodern shit right there.

Madoka is smalltime.
It can't even beat a show from the same studio, let alone gundam or evangelion

>>64006251
>Owing to the highly subjective nature of deconstruction (and to a deliberately vague definition by the term's originator), different authors and artists have had different interpretations of the theory, and thus applications of the theory in criticism and art vary greatly.

Sounds about right.

>>64008689
>Madoka's finale was underwelming and had hardly any impact on /a/.
This nigga...

>>64008579
If you weren't new y wouldn't see as madoka as anything particularly special in its content.

>>63995066
Fate zero is a deconstruction of the happy ending genre, and the heroines are deconstructions of the relisim in relationships genres.

>>64008693
Merchandise, sorry, I might have worded that a little strangely.

>>64008680
Reading that googlegroups thread while reading this thread has made my day.

My faith in the medium has increased. I know that there will be more good shows in the future.

>>64008751
This is what wannabe oldfags actually believe.

>>64008687

The word mainstream is too mainstream.

>>64008640
That's the thing though. It's NOT most of /a/. It's the vocal minority of people who dislike something and feel the need to let everyone else know that.

>>64008689
Did you ever think that you might be the one with shit taste? WHAT A TWEEEST

>>64008759
Again, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it wasn't popular or good in the eyes of the fans. I think it's shit, but that doesn't mean that it's actually shit.

>>64008689
>Madoka's finale was underwelming and had hardly any impact on /a/.
Yeah, no.

ITT: it is popular and praised as a creative work, so I must hate it

>>64008676
>>64008751
I'm more angry over people copying for the sake of copying rather than because they actually want to do a grimdark storyline.

>>64008816
Yes, 'Good' is a subjective term
But what I'm saying, is that 'Good' and 'Popular' cant always be used synonymously. Sometimes, but not always

I did not dislike Madoka

>>64008689
>Madoka's finale was underwelming and had hardly any impact on /a/

Sure, it's not like 2 threads reaching pass over 241 posts within the first 4 minutes of the 1st of the final two episodes and then having the ENTIRE FRONT PAGE on /a/ with nothing but Madoka threads discussing the ending had any noticeable relevance, right ?

Were you even here one year ago today ?
Get the fuck out, new-fag.

>>64008829
Episode 10 had a bigger impact.

Episode fucking 10, holy christ.

>>64008829
>>64008749
That's nothing compared to Geass's or Lagann's finale.
And many people were dissapointed with Madoka's end.

>>64008699
That's what I meant by splitting hairs.

You just have to frame it right.

Something like we think "Being contracted to become a magical girl" means the character gains confidence, purpose and strength, but it can also mean the character is doomed to a life of battle, unable to identify with other humans due to their inhuman strength, etc.

It just seems like a pointless exercise to me. Being able to classify it as a deconstruction doesn't change what it does or doesn't bring to the table for interpretation.

>>64008751
Although I quite enjoyed Madoka, I agree with this. It doesn't really do anything that other magical-girl shows haven't done before, when it comes to themes or plot twists. Evil familiars, wholesale despair and destruction, soul stealing, death of major characters -- all done before. Heck, half of it was done by Sailor Moon, arguably the defining modern magic-girl show.

Madoka succeeded because it did those things *better* than previous attempts, not because it did them *first*.

>>64008680
Unless the movie is a really big success Madoka will drift away. Any "impact" so far isn't in anyway comparable to that of Evangelion which was ridiculously ridiculously big and was able to leak into the mainstream. It had nothing close to an equal. Madoka's crossover status is still minimal. It's not even near K-On in that regard yet.

>>64008993
>Madoka succeeded because it did those things *better* than previous attempts, not because it did them *first*.
Like what Apple did with iPods, iPhones, and iPads?

DECONSTRUCTION OF THE SPACE PIRATES GENRE

>>64008918
And I'm saying that in this case, it can be. I've got plenty to back up that statement and the only arguements I get back are "Your data is MEANINGLESS" or "If I don't think it's good, it's not good".

>>64008494
Seeing as you have no idea how anime studios work, I doubt I should take anything you say seriously.
Making something popular just means takig popular tropes and make a somewhat interesting, but nothing too complex, setting around it with tons of "fuck yeah" moments or shock value. And the last one is what entirely drives Madoka. You get a seemingly normal story which suddenly turns grimdark. Instant masterpiece. You do have to give Gen and Shinbo credit for coming up which such a story, but it doesn't say anything about the quality of the anime itself.

>>64008993
>death of major characters
I haven't seen Sailor Moon in quite a while, but I don't remember any important characters (i.e. not villains) staying dead for more than a few minutes in the Sailor Moon anime.

>>64009063
Maybe so. Remember Apple has more money than the US Government and people for years {and probably still do) refer .mp3 players as iPods and tables as iPads.

>>64008957
>>64008829
Anyone would tell you Madoka's ending was not that big compared to other finals. Even Piss and Shit was bigger.

Precure>>>>>>>>>Madoka
Fact.

I bet the way they explained it to Urobuchi was a subversion, because that's all 'deconstructions' as defined by TVTropes is.

And that's fine. Madoka is indeed a subversion of mahou shoujo, and Evangelion is a subversion of mecha.

The idea that a deconstruction is some sort of brutal gutting of a genre or set of ideas turned on it's head and asked 'what would happen in the real world' is a silly definition, as Madoka, Eva, and every other series listed on that page are just as fantastical as shit like Inuyasha. Deconstruction is a bad term because all it wants to mean is 'darker and edgier subversion', but we already have a term for that, and it's 'darker and edgier subversion'.

Also, TVTropes is cancer.

>>64009100
If it's what you're saying, wouldn't you also be able to argue that it's popularity would have died by now? Sure there items that were popular at their time, but died down a season or two after they came out. Madoka's little steam engine keeps going and going.

>>64009162
Only true mahou shoujo fags agree. Madokafags are just bandwagoning faggots who never saw a mahou shoujo before.

>>64009152

This. Seriously, Madoka fandom here is weaker than Eva.

You say Madoka ripped off, I say Madoka did right what others failed to do.

>>64009152
Comparing ANYTHING to that ending would be unfair. P&S just went with a full blown parody, not even trying to make any sense.

>>64008964
>Episode 10 had a bigger impact.

That was due to the fact that it was followed by a entire month of waiting for some form of closure to the story.

Now I'm not saying that episode 10 doesn't deserve it's credit, but... just imagine if after episode 11 we had the same scenario; specially after how episode 11 ends with Madoka telling Homura not to worry.
Can you imagine what it would be like to have THAT for a conclusion for a entire month..

>>64008957
I only arrived here three hours after it aired. There was hardly any Madoka related discussion at all.

>>64009162
Pffft

Only the first season of Precure is any good.

This just in: "Deconstruction" is a buzzword, and those of you who use it as a synonym for "good" are fucking retards.

>>64009207
Is this your first year on /a/?

>>64009216
I'm glad it didn't. I bet there would've been huge backlash if we had that much time to theorize over what Madoka's wish would be and then get that as an ending.

Airing 11 and 12 together was a stroke of genius, really.

>>64009187
What about all genre animefag? Which one would they deem better?

>>64009074
That wasn't what I was implying....
Either way, I do agree with you.
You may the exception to the rule, but I could not understand even if I wanted to.
/a/ - Autism & Aspergers

>>64009216
Except that episode 10 didn't have a bigger "impact" really. The last two episode airing was easily the largest amount of relevance Madoka had on /a/ at one time. Before, things were mostly kept up in generals. The hiatus actually allowed for more hyped and build up to the last episodes.

>>64009229
And every Sailor Moon season except SuperS kicks the shit out of Futari wa.

This thread is bad and you should all feel bad.

There is no excuse for the blatant trolling on both sides.

>>64009260
I am one and enjoy Precure more because t's fun

>>64009229
pffft no.
Bet you haven't even watched heartcatch.

>>64009253
>I bet there would've been huge backlash if we had that much time to theorize over what Madoka's wish would be and then get that as an ending.

People analyzed and over-analyzed all possible endings during and even before the one-month break.
And ALL of them.. were wrong.

>>64009253
>Airing 11 and 12 together was a stroke of genius, really.
All thanks to the freaking tsunami. Goddamn SHAFT really got lucky.

Maybe lucky won't cut it.

>>64009292
Do they need an excuse?

>>64009292
I thought we'd trolled this 'deconstruction' shit to death back when meduka was airing.

>>64009253
>stroke of genius
You can't call coincidences piling up and forcing them to air together genius.

>>64009113
Granted, permadeath is about as rare in mahou shoujo as it is in superhero comics.

>>64009162
Precure: Morning show for little girls
Madoka: Late-night show for otaku neckbears

I like apples AND oranges.

>>64009312
Fell apart in the second half, like every Pretty Cure ever. Finale was disappointing as fuck. By far the most overrated Precure; Futari wa and Splash Star are both better.

>>64008964
Episode 10 was when the show got *extremely* popular. And /a/ fucking exploded when it was anounced that episode 11 would be delayed because of the earthquake.

>>64008972
Geass nor Lagann had captcha to worry about.

>>64009320
God Himself confirmed for Madokafag.

>>64009187
>Madokafags are just bandwagoning faggots who never saw a mahou shoujo before.

All of /a/ are bandwagoning faggots then, because /a/ doesn't know what the fuck a mahou shoujo is.

All they've watched is Nanoha, Utena, Princess Tutu, Madoka, Precure, and CCS. Sailor Moon for the nostalgiafags.

But what about shit like Nanatsuiro Drops, or Sugar Sugar Rune, or Fushigiboshi no Futagohime? All of these are recent mahou shoujo that I doubt most on /a/ have even heard of.

>Madoka
>good
>deconstruction

Pick one.

>>64009185
But deconstruction doesn't mean subversion at the very least. Everyone ought to read a bit of Derrida, or at least Heidegger's conception of destruktion.

Simply put deconstruction is the taking apart of something, and examining it's parts in order to gain a greater understanding of the whole. This is an ontological examination - what makes x - x. What does it mean to BE x. The presentation of this deconstruction however can also be deconstructed - we look at why we bother to deconstruct at all, we look at how this deconstruction challenges our normal conception of x. There's no real purpose of deconstruction other than a greater understanding, and change our conceptions of x.

>>64009249
I wouldn't keep saying obvious things if you would realize them before you post.

>>64009414
That really isn't a big deal.The thing is when they aired everyone was on board.

Urobuchi writed NGE script?

>>64009472
As someone who doesn't give a shit, isn't this pretty much what Madoka is?

What defines a magical girl? What does it mean to BE a magical girl?

The whole point of the show was "being a magical girl is actually pretty shit, y'know?"

>>64009496
Madoka also had an IRC channel for livewatching because of all the heavy trolling and the threads moving too fast.

>>64009496
There was no fear of turning the board into shitstorm and no fear of being told to KEEP IT IN ONE THREAD so you can't really compares both of the era.

"Puella Magi Madoka Magica brutally deconstructs many of the most beloved Magical Girl tropes. Namely: the mascot, the henshin item, and the perks."

- Source: TV Tropes

Everyone who thinks Madoka isn't a deconstruction is an enemy of science and clearly working with the terrorists.

>>64009573
Oh, come on.

>>64009472
No, no, I'm strictly talking about TVTropes' definition of deconstruction (which is indeed entirely wrong).

Their made of idea of deconstruction is just hurr darker and edgier subversion.

Hell, their description condradicts itself because it says that the examples of deconstructions take a more realistic approach to common tropes when no, they fucking don't. Evangelion is about a mentally disturbed teenager that pilots a robot with his mom's soul in it. That is in no way realistic.

Also, realism does not equal darker and edgier at fucking all.

>>64009558
The IRC channel slowly devolved into a never-ending circlejerk too.

>>64009573
>Madoka
>deconstruction

My sides.

>>64009614
Of course, I'm just saying that people claiming that Madoka didn't have a large impact on /a/ weren't there or not paying any attention.

>>64009627
TERRORIST TERRORIST

AMMA GONNA CALL THE FBI

>>64009573
>the henshin item

THESE GODDAMN RIDER FAGS PLUGGING IN HENSHINS EVERYWHERE

>>64009664

Piss and Shit had a bigger impact on /a/.

>>64009572
Yea, there was. Clearly you werent around. Geass always got shit for "not keeping things in one thread". it was just so incredibly popular at the time it didn't matter. Geass R2 wasn't just spam. When we talk about how it dominated the whole front page on Sunday and Monday we're talking maxed out actual discussions regarding the show, though one of those threads was probably a homolust image dump as well. Madoka isn't in the same league. It wasn't cared about half as much to the board as a whole. Even the day the final episode aired wasn't as big as a normal Sunday for Geass.

Even these grim, "realistic" series can't keep away from the common themes. Love, hope, justice, friendship, perseverance. All of that is still alive and well in Madoka. It's plain old majou shoujo.

>>64009699
You keep saying that...

Don't make explain why that is again...

>>64009434
While it might be unreasonable to characterize yourself as a mahou-shoujofag if you've only watched the most popular/influential titles, those titles can give you a reasonably good impression of the genre's overall shape.

With the caveat that someone who says "Nanoha/Utena is my favorite mahou shoujo!" should be viewed with intense suspicion until it's confirmed that they've seen at least one "traditional" series as well.

>>64009715
Do you know why it dominated in that time, anon?

There was no captcha.

>>64009735
See >>64009715

>>64009545
No just because it asks a question about being a magical girl doesn't mean it's a deconstruction of the genre.

A proper example would be an examination of magical girls as a genre, looking on what it means to write a magical girl genre, why we write this particular genre. What type of character they are, why they must have certain traits. Why a certain setting? Deconstruction in a literary sense hopes to understand the mechanics of the medium. Why position a shot a certain way? Why are frames allocated this way etc.

A deconstruction is very hard to do in such mediums without also be very intrusive in the presentation. Things are pointed out, then we ask why we point such things out.

And the deeper you go, you go into the question of meaning, the question of interpretation, and the impossibility of communication in a true way.

>>64009611
>Evangelion is about a mentally disturbed teenager that pilots a robot with his mom's soul in it. That is in no way realistic.

>That is in no way realistic.

No shit. Really? are you saying there are no giant robots in real life?

The realism comes in the way the characters respond to the outlandish situations they are in.

>>64009753
Not to mention Geass threads, like TTGL threads, were filled with so many shitposting newfags they drove quite a few of the older posters away until the shows ended.

Haha, I fucking knew it someone was gonna make this thread. I almost made it myself.

>>64009753
Look at it this way: 90% like Geass and discuss it. 90% of the threads will be about Geass.
50% of the board likes Madoka. 50% will be about Madoka. Caotcha doesn't have anything to do with it unless it's one guy spamming (much like what happened to Bakemonogatari)

>>64009496
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/48474060

This is one of the live stream threads on episode 11, one year ago.

This thread (and others) got deleted by a janitor because of how fast they were going.

Check the timestamps and see for yourself just how many posts are made in a single minute.
The entire thread only took about 2 minutes or so into the 11th episode.

I will not forget that day as long as I live, man.

>>64009611
Yes. Par for the course with TVTropes. Why people actually CITE it is beyond me. It's not a source of reliable or accurate information. It's a wiki that has the distinction of making the Article and the Talk page one and the same. Each article reads like the transcript of six Mountain Dew-fueled pedantic virgins trying to shout over top of each other in their cramped, sweat-reeking dorm room. There is no discussion; only people trying to one-up each other in seeing just how far and thin they can stretch a trope. It has always been and always will be a blight on the internet.

>>64009751
I don't mind that people have only seen those titles, I definitely mind that people would call themselves mahou shoujofags if they have only seen those titles.

It's like calling yourself a mechafag despite only seeing Gundam 00, Evangelion, and Gurren Lagann.

>>64009753
Except that is insignificant. Captcha has no impact on actual discussion, only mindless spamming of threads.

>>64009723
I think much of the point of a "deconstruction" is to have everything in the genre be recognizable, but do it differently.

Like, for example, War of the Worlds deconstructed the old invasion lit genre. And was fucking successful at it, to the extent it spawned a new genre.

Now, don't accuse me for saying Madoka was a deconstruction, it just was intended to be.
Whether it was a swing and a miss is up to the audience.

Grimdark and realism are, I guess, just means of attempting deconstruction.

I think /a/ would agree it's a pointless task, but it's a popular one by hipster faggots.

>>64009835
> only mindless spamming of threads.
We are talking about Code Geass threads here.

>>64009811
So many live streams, each one of them lagged from having too much viewers.

Shit, I am nostalgiafagging right now. Ikenai

>>64009788
Speaking of TTGL and shitposting newfags, most of /a/'s userbase was underage at that time. See: the 40% tripfag. He was 15 when the show aired.

"Toradora deconstructs many of the character archetypes seen in typical Harem Anime. Most notably, Taiga basically answers the question of what kind of experiences could give a person a childish tsundere personality in real life."

- Source: TV Tropes

If you disagree, terrorists.

>>64009783
>The realism comes in the way the characters respond to the outlandish situations they are in.

Again, metal breakdowns and seriously fucked up kids (who were actually fucked up BEFORE they had to pilot giant robots) does not equate to realism.

Sora no Woto is more realistic than fucking Evangelion. That doesn't mean it's better or anything, lack of realism isn't a bad thing.

But seriously, people. Come on. I have no doubt that the same people who claim darker and edgier is more realistic also think that Elfen Lied is a paragon of anime.

>>64009753
Keep telling yourself that.
Geass sundays were the biggest thing here and had way more OC than every show of 2011 combined.

>>64009866
*Only mindlessly spamming of threads by one person.

It doesn't affect actual discussion. Because if a thread isn't getting discussion it will fall down quickly. Geass had many different maxed out discussions going on at the same time.

>>64009854
>I think much of the point of a "deconstruction" is to have everything in the genre be recognizable, but do it differently.

To a degree yes, but everything you got isn't really the point. The point is to present something recognizably x, but distinct not the normal x. Then we ask, how is this possible? Then we go along discussing the parts of what make x, and contrasting that to what we think or are taught what x means.

Deconstructions are meant to bring a new perspective, and question norms. It can always go further, but how far it goes depends on the person.

>Perhaps all the scripts I write will be deconstructions.

I half wish this was true.

>>64009825
Then we're in agreement.

Urobuchi is a pretty bad writer, F/Z shows it really well.
Madoka only succeeded because the directing was actually good, the writing was overall pretty bad.

>>64009902
>Again, metal(sic) breakdowns and seriously fucked up kids...does not equate to realism.

Why not? Do you honestly think that some kid whose mother has died and has been abandoned by his father would NOT have some emotional issues when he's told that the fate of the world depends on him piloting a robot he's never seen before?

Wait, there are people who don't realize that Geass caused an insane influx of newfags to the board, increasing post rates by at least 100%?

Were they blind?

>>64009947
But if everything is a deconstruction... isn't that the new normal?

>>64010015
They are those newfags.

>>64009963
>the writing was overall pretty bad.

Give me an example of bad writing that isn't Madoka's mom pushing her down the stairs.

A legitimate example that isn't you whining about pacing or how you hated a character.

>>64010044
Ah, that makes sense.

>>64010015
I'm sure there are a lot of people who realized it. Remember Geass summer?

>>64010028
Exactly. That's why you can always deconstruct a deconstruction, forever and forever.

To understand x, we need to understand what it is; it's Dasein. That means to understand what it is, what it isn't, what it could be, what it couldn't be, what is was, what it wasn't. An understanding of it's historicity - it's history is crucial.

>>64009854
>>64009774
So basically what you're saying is Madoka is a deconstruction of the deconstruction genre, because it makes us ask why and how deconstructions are made, and what exactly makes up a deconstruction?

>>64009947
You cannot "deconstruct" a genre. A fictional work can't "be" a deconstruction. Deconstruction has nothing to do with doing things differently. It concerns itself with the interpretations we have of things. That the meaning we hold to be true are not really true and can be contradicted in the text.

>>64009963
Urobochi isn't a bad writer, he just needs somebody to reign him in so he doesn't go batshit crazy. The writing in Madoka was good because the directing was good not the other way around.

>>64010147
Makes more sense than anything Derrida ever wrote. Why not?

>>64010058
The dialogues are dull as hell which is pretty bad, F/Z has that same problem in that the characters feel more like the mouth pieces of the writer than anything, they don't feel really "alive".
Due to that the characters go from A to Z in one scene, see Kyoko for example.

Everything else from the plot was downright ripped off from other sources, some of the plot elements are really shameless like Mami's death that is a simple copypaste from MLA

Deconstructions aren't narratives, are they?

I assumed from the Wikipedia article that when one deconstructs something they don't do it in narrative format as that itself is inherently flawed.

Hell, the dude who made the term didn't seem to understand what it was.

>>64010168
>You cannot "deconstruct" a genre.

Of course you can.

Madoka deconstructed the magical girl genre and Evangelion deconstructed the mecha genre.

>>64010168
So basically what you're saying is that deconstruction is a method, not a product.

>>64010147
No, Madoka is just a magical girl anime that subverts for some tropes. It never asks questions, it just presents something marginally different.

TBH it'd be hard to make a deconstructionist anime that isn't about mangaka writing a manga.

>>64010172

Dude, Shinbo gave Urobuchi free card on everything.
EVERYTHING.

Shinbo even liked Sayaka and asked him if there was any chance to make it so that she would die..
Urobuchi's response was, too bad, sorry Shinbo but that's not going to happen.

>>64010208
It's both.

>>64010168
Has it right to a degree, but it CAN be a product. But it's half product, half questioning of interpretation.

>>64010198
>The dialogues are dull as hell which is pretty bad
This is really just opinion. While I won't say Madoka's dialogue is great or anything, it services the plot and character motivation adequately.

>Due to that the characters go from A to Z in one scene, see Kyoko for example.
Oh boy, we've been through this countless times. Kyouko had good reasons to change her stance on approaching Sayaka in the little time that she did it.

>Everything else from the plot was downright ripped off from other sources, some of the plot elements are really shameless like Mami's death that is a simple copypaste from MLA
Okay, now you're just trolling.

>>64010200
Derridia understood what it was. He was making a point by not explicitly defining it. He was showing the nature of the concept.

>>64010285
>Okay, now you're just trolling.
When did we start calling retards "trolls?"

>>64010291
Okay, I can see that approach.

Well, the fact that TVTropes went ahead and made their own definition is even more insulting, then.

>>64010291
Petty much. To define something is to only garner the same thing he wanted to avoid - the antiquity of a term, a blind conformity.