Also, gif thread.

We watch Guilty Crown, don't we?

I would watch a shit plot anime if the animation is dope, and the other way round - shitty animation and great plot (implying we havent all watched berserk)

I don't really care about animation as much as long as the plot is good.

That scene had fucking horrible animation, just so you know, OP.

>>62254518
>dat PLOT

>>62254504
Shitty plot and shitty animation?

>>62254342
Animation is a huge plus for me, but some stuff just won't do it for me no matter what animation. For example, I've heard Precure has incredible animation but I don't see the appeal.

>>62254559
>shitty animation
And then there's this guy.

>Do you care about animation in anime?
Yes.

>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
Yes.

>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
Yes.

I'd rather have both, of course, so I've been watching more movies and OVAs lately.

Kino no Tabi had pretty bad animation... or at least subpar, but it was still amazing.

>>62254559
Let me guess.
You think bakemonogatari has an awesome animation, right?

/a/ loves shaft

doesn't that answer this question right off the bat?

>>62254625
Probably because it has a really great direction.

>>62254669
>/a/ loves shaft

Stop generalizing.

>>62254651
It was decent.

Depends on the genre really.

I mean action shows with bad animation kinda defeat their own purpose.

>>62254651
It just doesn't have much animation but the animation that is there is good.

>>62254696
99% of /a/ fucking adores shaft
just because you're some lonely faggot that hates szs and bakemonogatari doesn't make it true

>>62254713
No.

>>62254720
>implying bakemonogatari fanbase doesn't mostly consist of lonely faggots
>implying szs is not my favorite show

>>62254728
Yes, actually.
The animation, when there was animation, was decent.
If you don't understand that, then I can see why you don't think GC has good animation, and I pray that you overcome your disabilities in the near future.

plot>>>>>animation

>>62254651
It's like this

Mouthflap
Mouthflap
Meatbikes
Mouthflap
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SUDDEN BURST OF INCREDIBLY DETAILED ANIMATION FOR A SHORT SCENE OH MY GOD
Mouthflap
Mouthflap
Mouthflap

>>62254716

>Monster
>bad animation

what? Sakugafag here, I'm watching it right now and while there are no really amazing cuts, its still pretty well animated.

Depends on the animation quality. If it's just low quality (i.e. old shows), then it's ok to watch. If it's QUALITY Quality, then fuck no.

Don't care, I'm able to criticise any anime for it's flaws even if I really liked it and I'd still watch it even if I never ended up liking the animation. But I do love fluid animation and vast atmospheres.

>>62254789
How are old shows low quality?

>>62254766

but GC's animation has been quite poor in second half

>>62254831
It's been splotchy. The animation for when Shoe did things in the last episode, for example, was decent, but when Scarface did things, it was awful.
So you're right about that.

>Do you care about animation in anime?
Of course.
>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
Yes.
>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
Nope. It's why I had to drop Another. The art is pretty but the plot was glue-eatingly stupid.

>>62254766
Yeah, like 2-3 seconds of fluid animation an episode.

>Do you care about animation in anime?
Certainly. A lot of my favourite anime are well-animated.
>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
I probably would, but my enjoyment of it would be greatly hampered.
>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
Yes, though I'd see it as a waste of talent.

>Do you care about animation in anime?
Normally not if the writing is good enough to keep me entertained.

>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
I'm on episode 3 of Katanagatari and it's fucking awesome.

>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
As long as the characters are good - read: entertaining - , I can watch all kinds of shows.

/r/ing the gif on how to make gifs.

>>62254881
Another looks pretty but it's not well-animated.

Worst animation, worst QUALITY, worst plot, worst everything.

If Guilty Crown was in IMDB, Trolls 2 would become closer to average

me being an animation student, i do. Love seeing things well animated or just crazy shit. though my favorite studio is shaft/spoiler]

>>62254910
I heard that Katanagatari is pretty well-animated.

>>62254943
>though my favorite studio is shaf
I kinda know why.

>>62254342
Of course
Yes
Kind of, but will most likely drop it or backlog it

>>62254953
No, not really. The animation's solid, but it's not really outstanding. Art is very good though.

why do so many people love shaft when all they do is slideshow hipster bullshit? fuck shaft, fuck them ritght up their pretentious asses

>>62254953
Kinda hard to say, it's just...the top of "Shaft-esque" anime.

>>62254997
its got its moments.

>>62254547

yes to all, OP.

That's why I watched good shows poorly animated like Birdy and bad shows but pretty like Soul Eater

>>62255019
>Birdy
>badly animated

The art for the fight scenes might have been very simple, but the animation was very good.

>>62255019
>Birdy
>poorly animated

Err.. no!

>>62254831
It's actually kinda funny if you go back to the first half and watch random clips. Like Shu's initiation mock battle against Steiner in episode 5. The action sequences are like night and day compared to now.

Also, shoutout for Nichijou. So much care put into the art and animation for that show.

Why are we suddenly discussing Shaft again in here?

>>62254342

Yes to all, though the animation would really have to be oustanding for the last one since I'll be relying entirely on the art to keep me interested.

>>62255094
because shaft have made more money than any studios combined in the last 30 years?

>>62255134
Sunrise disagrees with you.

>>62255155
And Toei.

As long as there are no QUALITY moments, i don't care much about animation. Actually, a lot of animation time can be saved by other methods that look equally good, you just need a good director.

All in all, i prefer Plot>Art any day

>>62255191
The *cure series sell? As far as I know that's all they care for since wan piss is dead and their other works have very small fanbases.

If I want well-animated shit, I could just search "sakuga" on Youtube.

>>62254816
Maybe he meant the lack of HD quality.

>>62255232
Its merchandises sale like crazy.

Why even ask this stupid question? You know the answer is PLOT

PLOT will always kick animation to the curb

it's been true since the 1800s and it's true now

why do people read books if not for incredible PLOT?

PLOT


PLOT


PLOT


people want original PLOT

I can't stress this enough

>>62255232
The Precure series are giant advertisements for the Precure toys. Toei makes next to no money on the BD/DVD sales; all the money comes from above to keep on pumping out these weekly 21 minute long ads.

>>62255268
Ohh, that makes sense then.

>>62255274

Lots of people love Redline, and that's nothing but eyecandy as far as I'm aware.

>>62255274
It's like saying that people love a song because it has good lyrics.

I've already been conditioned to the terrible animation that plagues almost every TV series these days so it doesn't matter to me much. In the rare occasion that it stands out, like with Nisemonogatari right now, it's fantastic. But shit animation is standard for most anime. Most people also confuse art for animation and don't notice how bad it actually is.

>>62255274
>why do people read books if not for incredible PLOT?
For likable characters, engaging dialogues, interesting writing style?

>>62255310
actually my main reason for watching redline was the premise, incredible fast cars with explosions and cool characters.
I could have enjoyed the movie just as much with only still images and speedlines.
Also the romance subplot was very nice

But i also know that i am one of the very very few who think so and that a lot of people like to watch things that are "just pretty"

>>62255351
bullshit

a song is (most often, in your frame of reference at least) a 4 minute composition in which the hook is presented up front without reservation

if people like the hook they will tolerate the rest of the song

an animated piece of fiction is at least 24 minutes long. from the moment it starts people are focusing huge prejudices upon it (is it science fiction? I fucking hate science fiction!)

for an animated story to get by all of this it needs something more than just pretty visuals

it needs PLOT

evangelion isn't the best series ever made for nothing

>>62255274
>>62255417
I also primarily read nonfiction when I read non-weeaboo stuff.

>>62254342
>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
The main reason I like Gurren Lagann was that the animation was pretty good but the plot was convoluted as fuck.

>>62255447
>a song is (most often, in your frame of reference at least) a 4 minute composition in which the hook is presented up front without reservation
>if people like the hook they will tolerate the rest of the song
lolwhut? Where did you get that bullshit information from? I know a lot of songs that only have one good 30sec part while the other 3 minutes are shit, but even though i do have downloaded those songs, none of those are even close to being my favourites. And a freaking lot of other people think so too.

I couldn't watch Clannad because the animation.

monthly sakuga

I used to watch all shows regardless of animation or plot if at least one of them is good.
Not I find myself leaning towards shows well drawn scenery and landscapes, things that are visually pleasing to the eye.

>>62255484

>TTGL
>Convoluted

What?

That shit was really easy to follow, and I usually suck at properly following things unless I watch them twice.

>>62255523
Clannad has a consistently good animation, but the character design is terrible.

>>62255447
>if people like the hook they will tolerate the rest of the song

No, I wouldn't.

>Do you care about animation in anime?

Yes.

>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?

It depends how bad. I can deal with QUALITY in places, but when there's more QUALITY than animation, it kind of puts me off. I was almost put off Gunslinger Girl il teatrino by the first episode and those horrible cars. Oh god.

>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?

Probably. And let's face it, Guilty Crown IS entertaining.

>>62255523
What?

Clannad has solid animation.

>>62255527
Kazuto Nakazawa?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H4l9RpkwM

>>62255554
Their eyes bothered the fuck outta of me.
The only one that looked normal was the MC and that one chicks dad.

>>62255554
Yeah, I'll never watch Clannad because I know I wouldn't be able to take it seriously.

>>62255527
>3DCG
>sakuga
What now?

OP a good show just has to make you feel good
When I watch naruto I see guy sensei giving a fuck about rock lee, exploding with awesome kicks and raging confidence and a huge thumbs up a smile, that alone is enough for me to watch anime

There is no standard as to what makes anime good, some people just appreciate different parts of anime. Some people want prioritized writing, some people want prioritized animation quality.


I don't mind plots that are slightly nonsensical because you can make excuses for why it could make sense most of the time. I don't call it lazy writing

Pic related, look at that grin. Fuck I love naruto.

>>62255591
>>62255602
You two should be used to that kind of shit if you have watched more than entry-level shit #458943729.

I don't give a fuck about plot, even less about animation as long as character designs are pretty.

>>62255591

UGUUU

OK op let me present the only realistic answer in this thread. Both of these things are relative. If a story begins with what will obviously be an incredible story written by a genius (and let's face it, we can tell most of the time) then we will let our guard down for the other components of the work.

>>62255554

That's what you get with Key though. Kanon needed some effort to overlook the character designs, but KyoAni at least did manage to make Clannad's bearable.

>>62254547

>>62255612
>Fuck I love naruto.
Get out.

>>62255650
Sometimes it isn't about the story

If you care so much about the story

Read a book

>>62254869
Why did he have to die? ;_; Best character in the show.

>>62255650
This. I've never seen a post that encompasses Shaft's success so thoroughly.

>>62255683
>Read a book
OH YEAH, BOOKS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANIME, CARTOONS AND COMICS! THEIR STORIES ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING AND FLAWLESS AND DEEP AND EMOTIONAL! THEY ARE TOTALLY MASTERPIECES!

>>62255642

Just to point out, that is Toei's version of Kanon from 2002, and is completely separate to KyoAni and their versions of Kanon and Clannad.

>>62255673
Nope. I'm here to stay. And if you push me i'll actively advertise /a/ on every naruto site known to man for the rest of the year.

>>62255554
Your character design is terrible.

>>62255683
>If you care so much about the story
>Read a book

>>62255724
Wow, we are scared.

>>62255724
Your life must really suck.

>>62255750
You should be

>>62255724

You should be shot for even contemplating visiting such shitholes. They make /a/ look good.

>>62255737
I do not disagree with that.

;_;

First of all, the author should stop retconning, writing over plot holes and utterly stupid bullshit. Just glance over the latest chapters:

- This manga is so gay. Ninja Romantica is what it should be named. Main character hyperventilates and passes out just by thinking about his lover. No, really. Then Naruto wakes up and the first thing he does is chase after Sasuke again, and when they meet even Sasuke questions his obsession (omg ur so gay Naruto stop humping my leg). And the worst thing is Naruto’s answer: “NOOO WE DIE TOGEHER after buttfucking”. I can’t believe this shit actually happened.
- Kishi said through Kakashi, one of the wisest characters in the series, that the Sharingan was said to descend from the Byakugan, but this got retconned a few chapters ago - not anymore, the sharingan descends from the sage’s rinnegan, and fuck the byakugan
- Sasuke survives with absolutely no chakra against deidara, against a nuke. Possibly biggest asspull in the series.
- Kisame knew Gai was a taijutsu user from fighting him not once but twice, yet suddenly loses half his braincells during their last fight, forgets this little fact and loses because of it.
- The moon goes around the earth. Madara's plan is hypnotizing everyone on earth with a moon-sharingan. Derp.
- Naruto forgot about Hinata. Chapter count: over 100
- Pain is later revealed to be Naruto’s distant cousin from the Uzumaki clan
- His father, his mother, a fox, a crow, a frog and his dark persona live in Naruto’s belly, with Bee and his octopus popping by for visits.
- Itachi could have kidnapped Sasuke all this time, or at least told him the truth about Konoha, and the truth about Madara, and prevent all this faggotry, but Kishi wanted to milk it
- 600 billion exploding pieces of paper would cover about 14% of the earth’s surface. And it IS fucking retarded.

>>62255762
Its fantastic actually

>>62255724
>if you push me
Mommy didn't love you enough. What else is new

>>62255766

>>62255810
I'm sorry you are projecting to me that you don't feel loved

>>62255724
I'm scared. You win, please have mercy.

- Suddenly, ever dead person who ever mattered and a few who didn’t (including Haku, Zabuza and all the Akatsuki) are revived by a bullshit ressurection jutsu, rendering their deaths completely impactless. As if it wasn’t bad enough, the only way to defeat these zombies is with the power of friendship. No, really.
- Sasuke’s incredibly dumb and flawed reasoning of allying with Madara and attacking Konoha to get revenge for his brother (which Sasuke himself killed in the first place), even though that’s the one thing his brother specifically didn’t want and he made this damn clear.
- Retcons here are the rule. Sasuke meeting Karin in the forest of death, or Gaara suddenly being able to use sand without Shukaku. Just a few of the numerous examples.
- Naruto twists his ankle by accident (derp) right after getting the biggest powerup in the series, as a convenient excuse to have Gai fight
- The three stooges who are supposed to be strong jounin somehow really think they could capture and properly detain an S rank missing ninja in a wood prison. Did they not learn from their fumble with Kisame? They should know by now that these people won't give out any information, act like real ninjas for once (oh the blasphemy) and go for the kill.
- Naruto still believed he was on a S-ranked ecological mission, despite having Bee and half a dozen strong ninja with him and not knowing jackshit about biology (don’t forget he is the guy who, at the ripe age of 16, thought a pregnant woman was just fat), and spends his time looking at and fondling armadillo penises.
- Seriously? Defeating immortal, regenerating, virtually invincible zombies with the power of friendship? Literally?
etc etc etc

>>62255826
The drama exists in your head, not in the real world. There is nothing dramatic or tough about anything i've said

>>62254342
>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
yes, but how often does this really happen?
shows with good plots come along so rarely i would watch all of them even if every other aspect was shit.

shit plot

If we all only watched shows that were both well animated and well written, we'd probably watch one show per season.

>>62255856
You're just getting mad on the internet.
Go, make good on your threat child. Flex that internet muscle

- Art got worse as the manga went on. Allegedly tries to mimic a certain animators style, without the benefit of having the art move to make up for the flat look it sports these days.
- Characters have slightly developed over 500 fucking chapters and over 400 episodes. However, Kishimoto’s character development itself tends to be very poorly done, forced and generally poorly-written. Most are single-trait characters with a depressing past tacked on as an excuse to why they personally "never give up."
- Furthermore, these established characters get ignored left and right. Instead of using them, new characters get introduced, who also require additional narrative time to get established. Horrid power escalation, especially with Sasuke and recently also Naruto.
- Oftentimes heavy-handed attempts at symbolism throughout the story.
- Author doesn't quite get the balance right between messianic savior and utter retard, making the MC appear stagnant at times and his achievements seem asspullish.

Bitches don't know that Kishimoto wants you faggots to hate Naruto. Through shitty plot and highschool philosophy he's instilling hate in your heart so you can experience the plot thorougly in person. You're in deeper shit if you got caught in Kishi's genjutsu and hate Naruto fanatically because you're made to live and understand darkness/hate better than anybody without even knowing it.

God, if this guy is not a magician then I don't know who is.


pls reply

>>62255841
You mean like you have mercy on all the people who watch naruto

Its just a goddamn cartoon show and you act like they are the most retarded fuck heads on the planet for watching something that comes on tv for 30 minutes

its the most goddamn shallow thing i've ever heard

Might as well exclude people for liking a different flavor of ice cream, sheesh.

>>62255790
>Kishi said through Kakashi, one of the wisest characters in the series, that the Sharingan was said to descend from the Byakugan, but this got retconned a few chapters ago - not anymore, the sharingan descends from the sage’s rinnegan, and fuck the byakugan
Learn about character statement fiability

>>62255914
He was being ironic, smartass.

>>62254518
i thought HSOTD had a pretty decent plot. how many zombie anime are there?
also s2 when?

>>62255892
But i'm not mad

Your move

>>62255527
Precure is godly

>>62255935
It had a decent plot, especially since like you said there aren't many zombie anime out there.

>s2 when?
;_;

>>62255914

It's like openly admitting that you enjoy eating shit. You're not supposed to eat shit, and if you do you deserve to be publicly ridiculed for it.

>>62255931
It doesn't matter

There are people out there who would say what he says and actually mean it. And i'd say a large majority of /a/ means it

>>62255951

>>62255914
You're so cool, dude. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

Besides, we hate Naruto because people like you come to /a/ and act like a 12 year old after talking about how much they love Naruto.
If people who love Naruto didn't act like they were 12, we would hate you people a lot less.
You know what? My best friend likes Naruto. But he acts his age instead of a 12 year old.

>>62254881
>but the plot was glue-eatingly stupid
its final destination the anime but with more SOL and moe, whats not to like?

>>62255978
You only just realized?

I don't care much about the animation unless it's so bad that it'll give me eye cancer.

For instance, the 2002 version of Kanon is unwatchable while the 2006 version is much better, so i prefer that one.

Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.

Yes I do care, when the animation is bad in anime it comes across as lazy.

I wouldn't watch a well animated show if the plot was shit. I would consider watching an anime that has shit animation but a great story.

>>62255978

This is why Narutards do not belong on /a/.

>>62255947
No, your persistence shows a need to prove something. You're mad as hell that your anime isn't loved by the people who realize how stupid the vocal part of the fanbase is.
You're that part of it, and we hate YOU for it.

>>62255973
People like shows for different reasons.
What they like might not match up the things you look for to have a fun viewing experience, and thats ok. But there are qualities that exist in those shows that you personally don't notice or really personally care for that do make them enjoyable by tens of thousands of people.

The superiority complex you guys have over other people who watch this show is sickening.

And for the record

I probably would like all the anime you like

>>62254342
I love how making the people have the consistency of play dough suddenly makes it have 'good animation' during fight scenes.

>>62256041
>The superiority complex you guys have over other people who watch this show is sickening.

>>62255998
"Oh hey, MC, did anyone tell you about the TERRIBLE SECRET of Classroom 3? No? I see ... Welp, see ya later!" Five episodes later ... "OK I'll tell you. The thing is, each year our class would be SHORT ONE DESK! That means ... one of the students is DEAD!" Two episodes later ... "Yay, the beach!" Dropped.

>>62255447
>evangelion isn't the best series ever made for nothing
EVA doesnt have a plot besides shingi being a bitch, everything else is just >implications
to substitute for actual plot.

>>62256041
>The superiority complex you guys have over other people who watch this show is sickening.
You could say that about the idiots who claim naruto is the best anime ever, or that it has no faults.
And, if you don't like it, why don't you go somewhere else?
There's half a million naruto sites.

>I probably would like all the anime you like
Bullshit.

>>62256041
Just curious; what anime have you watching other than Naruto and DBZ?

>>62255018
>>62255664
Looking at the frame in OPs gif that is shown ia already enough

And no, I don't give a fuck about how fluid it is when it looks this fucking horrible. The hand, and they didn't even try to draw her hair properly.

And no, it's not just "hurr in-between frames", it looks like shit even when you play it

But of course you fucking retards like to circlejerk about this horrible animation style, as you probably would circlejerk over Narutos shitty animation whenever a major fight happens

Fuck off. I'm sick of full retard animation like this being praised to high heaven for no reason. I've hated it when I first watched it and I still hate it now.

>>62256074
Whoa buddy, watch it there. You're going full retard over nothing important

>animation thread derailed by nurutu

Damn it guys, why can't we have a good animation discussion?

>>62256041

I can't imagine what it is like to enjoy eating faeces. Please enlighten me.

>>62256085
and a big disagreement from some angry guy!
i don't really care, i realize a lot of people dislike that fight's animation. if you're one of them, save the emotion for something else

>>62256076
I never said naruto didn't have faults. There you go jumping to conclusions. Again.

In fact, all i said earlier Is that I liked naruto. You guys all leaped at my throats like a bunch of angsty teen bastards and proceeded to demonize me as a person because of it

which is why i'm acting the way I am now

>>62256041


PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE. I CAN JUST PICTURE YOU READING ALL THIS SHIT, WONDERING WHY I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND ANYTHING. YOU'LL GET SO FUCKING PISSED OFF YOU'LL FUCKING PUNCH A WALL AND FUCKING EAT EVERYTHING IN THE FRIDGE AND THEN WADDLE BACK UPSTAIRS AND QUOTE THIS SHIT AND SMASH THE FUCKING KEYBOARD WITH YOUR GIGANTIC, FAT HANDS AND SLOBBER PROFUSELY WHILE YOU POUND OUT SOME IDIOTIC REPLY, LIKE YOU COULD EVER EVER EVER FUCKING EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE SHEER HATRED I FEEL FOR YOU, THE BEST PART ABOUT IT IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY I'M JUST GOING TO LAUGH AT YOUR FAT, STUPID, UGLY, RETARDED, IDIOTIC, WORTHLESS, MANWHORE COCK-LOVING ASS! BUT IF YOU DON'T REPLY, I FUCKING -WIN-, BECAUSE I'VE SMACKED YOU DOWN LIKE THE LITTLE BITCH YOU ARE DIE MOTHERFUCKER.

>>62256165
No, you said you loved nuru2.

>>62256136
>i realize a lot of people dislike that fight's animation

Except they don't, I'm the only one with common sense here it seems.

Especially when garbage animation like these is worshipped by so called animation experts like this diebuster faggot.

>ctrl+f
>"Busterbeam"
>no results

>>62256183
If you're the only person with "common sense," then something tells me your common sense isn't actually common sense.

Well, Serial Experiments Lain had awful animation but everybody seems to have loved it.

>>62254342

> Do you care about animation in anime?

Yes, it's why I loved GiTS, Bebop, Champloo, and Miyazaki films when I was still new to animu.

> Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?

Yes, it's why Shin Mazinger became my second favorite anime ever.

>>62256183
Don't worry, I hate Toradora aswell, I just don't say it often since there most time I don't happen to spot Toradora threads.

>>62256183
sure, play the victim. what you meant is you're the one with the big vocabulary of fuck variations. just leave

>>62256165
>I never said naruto didn't have faults. There you go jumping to conclusions. Again.
I'm not talking about you.
I'm talking about EVERYONE ELSE.
You have no problems apart from the fact you're acting like a rebellious teenager, the rest of your fan base acts like complete retards whenever they get the chance.
Great example of one on /a/: Park Ranger.

If all naruto fans were like you, we would hardly give a shit.

>Do you care about animation in anime?
A lot. It rustles my jimmies when I see great animation.

>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
Yes, this counts for the majority of anime produced.

>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
Depends, sometimes I might, sometimes I wont. The animation has to be pretty outstanding for me to care.

>>62256165

Because Nurutu is objectively shit and is not welcome here. See; >>62255973

>>62256083
I have watched ever anime recommended by /a/.
And I still consider naruto one of my top favorites.

I can enjoy different anime for different reasons.

>>62256293
>I have watched ever anime recommended by /a/.
That's boku no pico.

>>62256293
10/10, would laugh again.
But seriously, can you even list 20?

>>62256293
You can but don't ever for one second expect others to like what you like.
There are other places for that, if you know what I am getting at

>>62256293


You are so visibly upset, that you need to create shitpost on our glorious board in an attempt to raise your self worth.

Come at me you plebian. I am the fucking pinnacle of man, both body and mind. I attend an Ivy league university, completely payed off by scholarships, with the leftover money used to buy myself a luxury vehicle. My grade point average is perfect point O. After I finish my dual bachelors I will be accepted straight away into the doctorate program. I will have two doctorate degree's by age twenty-five, owe zero debts, and make more money a year than you will in a lifetime. The funny thing is, this is the average /a/ browser. There are many who far surpass me.

Of course, knowing this, you figure the only way to attack me is the only way you know how, using words of which the meaning escapes you, insult some genre of game no one on this board plays, and using our own image macros to mock yourself.

You forgot your "My face when" by the way, the text suits you perfectly.

Go ahead and reply, doing so only proves my point to such an extent that you might as well just beg to suck my dick and eat my bodily waste, so that maybe an iota of my greatness could pass onto you.

>>62256293
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the production school, and I've been involved in numerous productions, and I have over 300 SR idols maxed. I am trained in autism and I'm the top producer in the entire Cinderella Girls game userbase. You are nothing to me but just another fodder idol to feed. I will produce you the fuck out with lessons the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of mules across Japan and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that produces out the pathetic little thing you call your career. You're fucking produced, kid. I can be in any platinum audition, anytime, and I can produce you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in production and lessons, but I have access to over 3 million stam pots and I will use them to their full extent to produce your miserable ass into the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're going to get produced, you goddamn idiot. I will produce all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking produced, kiddo. Nano.

>>62256338
/lit/ is a hipster shithole, and the guy is right.

>>62256352
lol you faggot, we get it, you want to sound intelligent and important and so you go to a forum like this and find some other jizzbag like you who just writes the same shit over and over again to have a debate so that someone can finally listen and hear your point of view because everybody who comes across you isn't interested. You're not smart, you're not interesting, you're an unemployed dullard who uses 4chan to get the attention he doesnt get at home.

>>62256338
I am honored to be part of your screenshot. Also, copy this, the / works with filenames

̸ lit ̸

>>62256245
How else am I supposed to act when everybody is pointing fingers at me insinuating i'm garbage when all i'm doing is watching a TV show.

Before this whole thing started nobody here knew anything about me, yet I got my head shoved in shit by you rude *gents*

I want you guys to know that it does bother me so I am acting rebelious to make you aware of how i'm feeling. I should be able to like and watch a show and talk about it without a bunch of people talking shit about me.


I mean fuck, didn't you guys learn not to treat people like this in middle school, or highschool? Nobody treats people like this.

>>62256396
See
>>62256059

>>62256293

Jesus christ. It's like you're literally fresh to /a/ from animesuki or something. Why do you continue. The best thing you can do right now is stop posting.

Best Anime.

Im Serious.

>>62256396


Go fuck yourself, worthless kid. Whenever something happens you go up to your little ・b/ folder・ pick up UMAD.jpg and post it here, thinking you are the best, laughing behind your screen, flapping these adipous cheeks of yours while your wawa chocolate milk drips all overy your XXXL t-shirt. Fucking pederast. You rotten, disgusting slug, bucephalus leech. I hate you and your entire body smells like feces. Do you have any idea of how long you have been there, sitting on this same chair that because of some unknown miracle managed to withstand your massive weight? You have been there for weeks, months, locked up in your room that smells like Doritos and Wawa milk, jacking off to your Haruhi wallpaper and posting 填MAD.jpg・on this fucking imageboard. I don稚 even know how you manage to type with your thick, greasy fingers, or how you still manage to find your tiny penis among all the fat flaps on your belly and groin area. You pile of shit, bipedal sperm-whale!!!

>>62256396
>How else am I supposed to act when everybody is pointing fingers at me insinuating i'm garbage when all i'm doing is watching a TV show.
You're either supposed to shut up about it.
Or take it somewhere else.

>Before this whole thing started nobody here knew anything about me, yet I got my head shoved in shit by you rude *gents*
Anonymous images boards, the story.

>I should be able to like and watch a show and talk about it without a bunch of people talking shit about me.
Then /a/ isn't the place for you.

>I mean fuck, didn't you guys learn not to treat people like this in middle school, or highschool? Nobody treats people like this.
Well sorry for being the anime imageboard forum version of Nazi Germany.

>>62256396
mother fucker you dont know who the fuck i am, you are a fag who likes sticking it in guys asses and you best believe that you'd be the one getting crammed in your fuckin rear by my Ukranian Fort-500 shotgun before i blow your fucking guts out your chest you faggit little bitch your fucking pathetic you best hope i never head to your town, i'll find yeah and shank you in your sleep, you wanna die motherfucker? faggit little cracker, hahaha I betyou aint ever even gotten and coochie, huh? ever got any pussy? i dont even keep count anymore, but it is definately past 35 cuz thats where i lost count bout a year or two ago, added a few since then, so ask yourseld, should your faggit no coochie gettin bitch ass maybe try to shut the fuck up, or do you want to hear more about how fuckin gay and lame you are? you cocksucking homo bastard go kill yourself you worthless chunk of shit, your useless and lame as fuck, and i cant wait to show your gay ass faggit no roastin abilities, you couldn't talk shit even if you ate shit, go slit your wrists you aint cool at all give up on your gay ass life

>>62256396
I'll give you some advice.
Stop posting, come back in a few years. Try... when you turn 18.
Then, we will rip you a new one all over again because you can not take an insult

>>62256396
What? WHAT WAS THAT? Sorry I must have misheard, I thought I heard a giant faggot mouthing off at me with something he sure as fuck could never back up, but it must have just been my imagination. Because after I imagined hearing that, I proceeded to imagine how good it would feel to break that persons fucking spinal cord over my knee. I imagined how my next step is usually to rip out one of the persons fucking ribs and jab it straight through their nose into their brain cavity. I imagined pulling that rib back out, and then brainfucking that dead faggot through the new massive hole in his face I created.

But I didn't really hear anything, right? no one would be fucking dumb enough to talk to me like that on here.

Misunderstandings

Misunderstandings everywhere

>>62256085
What do you consider to be good animation then? From your post, I suppose you prefer animation that doesn't resort of stylization of the character models, and goes for a much more realistic choreography?

Most people who have been watching anime for the past 15 years don't give a shit about quality animation.

The hipsters who care about that shit just prove how new they are, anime was never about cutting edge animation - it just had it's own style.

>>62256396

well, well, well, what have we here another faggot neckbeard (most likely yuro) shitting up the place with his /b/ faggotry. you picked the wrong night to fuck around, asshole. i've just texted the a mod (we're friends irl) about this thread, so he'll be here shortly to deal with the matter, and most likely hand out some sorely needed bans. i'm also going to report and sage the thread (for safe measure), as well as alert the other moderators in the 4chan irc channel. and just in case you wanna try and pull a fast one, i'm screen shotting the entire thread for additional proof and e-mailing moot about the matter personally. i'm tired of you stupid fucking dick sniffers pressing out whatever lolrandom faggot shit you want on the fucking anime board. it's time for you assholes to get a reality check, because this shit won't fly for much longer. prepare your anus, you 500 pound pile of shit. your days are fucking numbered

>>62256371
>replying to pasta

But about what you say
>You're not smart, you're not interesting, you're an unemployed dullard who uses 4chan to get the attention he doesnt get at home.

Yes, yes, yes and yes.
So please, if you are indeed a better person than us, I don't think you fit in here. There is definitely a better place for a superior humans like yours to fit in.

>>62256505
>anime was never about cutting edge animation - it just had it's own style.

I beg to differ, one interesting aspect of anime is how the talented animators are able to bring out amazing scenes despite having to work with limited frames and budget.

>>62256543
That's pasta too.

>>62256522
I'm not mad at all, though.

Oh I get it, because I like naruto you thought I would get pointlessly mad like a child over something

Isn't it funny how that didn't happen, and you got mad instead, falling into your own stereotype of what a narutard is more than me, the guy watching the show?

You make me laugh

>>62256543
But you replied to pasta.

>>62256543
>replying to pasta

>>62256572
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it ever so much more apidly. If cluelessness were crude oil, your scalp would be crawling with caribou. You are a thick-headed trog. I have seen skeet with more sense than you have. You are a few bricks short of a full load, a few cards short of a full deck, a few bytes short of a full core dump, and a few chromosomes short of a full genome. Worse than that, you top-post. In HTML. God created toads, houseflies, cockroaches, maggots, mosquitos, fleas, ticks,slugs, leeches, and intestinal rasites, then he lowered his standards and made you. I take it back; God didn't make you. You are Satan's spawn. You are Evil beyond comprehension, half-living in the slough of despair. You are the entropy which will claim us all. You are a green-nostriled, crossed eyed, microcephalous, hairy-livered inbred trout-defiler. You make Ebola look good. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. You are not ANSI compliant and your markup doesn't validate. You have a couple of address lines shorted together. You should be promoted to Engineering Manager.

>>62256572
Stop ignoring : >>62256455
Replying to idiots with even more idiotic replies isn't helping you.

>>62256572
I can see you only like replying to the posters who call you mad, because reading any others hurts too much.
Leave

>>62256396
>>62256293
>>62256041
>>62255978
>>62255914
>>62255612

>>62256598
So what you're saying is, you like jumping to conclusions about other people?

>first time on /a/
>see this thread
>mfw

>>62256572

>>62256560

"One interesting aspect" of a few series does not dictate the entire spectrum of anime. As shocking as it may be to some of you, pre-2000 anime was not just GitS, Bebop and Akira.

>>62256572

>>62256626
I'll happily provide a calm logical understanding response if you all calm the fuck down

Pic related, its been me the whole thread. I can express my feelings without getting mad. You guys are just falling prey to false emotional implications from my posts

>>62256715
Wait, GiTS is from before 2000? I thought it was 2004 or 2005.

>>62256741
Sorry, heres the pic

>>62256679
Anonymous Sat Mar 03 08:17:48 2012 No.62252591 Report
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>>62256741

>pic related
>no pic

>>62256679
Why are you such an idiot? You jaundiced jumped up, vercordiously pusillanimous piffle. Your vileseome existence nauseates me beyond compare. It is politically correct when discussing your faults to use certain words to denote your humanness above your disability. But in your case, there is nothing human. You are just challenged, you are just different. Given a choice of stepping in something nasty on the sidewalk, or bidding you good morning, I would happily choose the former. Single-handedly, you have wrenched all meaning out of life. Congratulations. As I write this I try vainly to think of something, anything, which redeems in some small way your utterly pointless existence. The only thing that comes to mind is that you have taught me hate. Pure, unmitigated hate. I have had fantasies about attacking you with a machete, but I dare not. I once cut up a starfish, which was so neurologically simple that each piece grew into a clone of the original. Your coleopteron brain no doubt shares certain appalling similarities with such creatures. You, misguided as you are, might be asking yourself what you have done to deserve such a letter as this. Your misdeeds and villainous vampings can be described in just two words: you exist. And believe me, there is no reason on earth why you should. How do you justify to yourself waking up each morning and ruining yet another day? If everything in this world has some purpose, some grand plan behind its existence, then yours surely is to show everything else, whether it be a slops bucket in a fried chicken stand, or the gunk behind the fridge, how fortunate it is not to be you. I have tried, but clearly, I have failed. I must stand firm to the realisation that mere words cannot express my utmost and profound contempt and loathing for your person, your being and your existence. You are a blight against nature.

>>62256760
The movie is. Not Stand Alone Complex and the other variants.

>>62256715
So what you're saying is, people shouldn't place that much of an importance on how good animation is?

>>62256741
Leave. I'm not even mad, you have my word.
You've made it abundantly clear you are only here to force your own ideals on us, and I think we've been good enough to show you it's not gonna happen

>>62254869

>>62256798
Oh, I forgot about that one.

>>62256741
>get angry on the internet
>pretend it was all a ruse

>>62256741

time to sit back and watch the butthurt

>>62254342
Alright, I think that-

>>62256873
Am I on the same thread.

why all examples of "good animation" itt are insanely over the top ?

>>62256829
I'm not here to force my ideals on anybody

And you're spreading ignorance lies about me by implying i'm trying to do something that i'm not trying to do

A lot of people here have been incorrectly asessing me, which has invalidating and skewed my actual impression, creating this big dramatic lie in your heads that caused you to act inappropriatly towards me

You're only getting mad at what you think i'm saying

You're only getting mad at what you think I am

Not what i'm actually saying

Not who I actually am

>>62256941
I suppose over-the-top ones are more impactful and thus people are quick to bring them up in a discussion as opposed to subtle ones?

>>62256979
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of your of what you wrote, because, well ... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things to be difficult. If I had known that this was true in your case then I would have never have exposed myself to what you wrote. It just wouldn't have been "right." Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

>>62256828

What I'm saying is that there is too much complaining about animation standards when they weren't even very high to begin with - but that never bothered anyone at the time. Most late-night anime was made by tiny studios who couldn't afford a daytime slot so the animation was lacking but it was still fun.

>>62256986
well that's a damn shame

>>62256979
God, I feel filthy replying to you.
Graduate from high school, then I'll continue this

>>62256979

I really like Shaft's zoom-in close ups they use in Monogatari.
I don't think people realise that other studios rarely do shots like that, it's a far better dramatic trademark than the head tilt.

>>62256979

I haven't been following the drama with this guy but it wouldn't surprise me if the last part was true. Too many people judge a person based on their tastes and assume they all think the same things.

Stop reading between the lines and assuming you can categorise every poster by looking at the image they attatch to their post or their favorite series.

>>62257129
Do you mean the full head shots of eye close ups?

>>62257139

>get mad about /a/ not liking what you like

>get sympathy

>2012

>>62257033
>OP a good show just has to make you feel good
When I watch naruto I see guy sensei giving a fuck about rock lee, exploding with awesome kicks and raging confidence and a huge thumbs up a smile, that alone is enough for me to watch anime

>There is no standard as to what makes anime good, some people just appreciate different parts of anime. Some people want prioritized writing, some people want prioritized animation quality.


>I don't mind plots that are slightly nonsensical because you can make excuses for why it could make sense most of the time. I don't call it lazy writing

>Pic related, look at that grin. Fuck I love naruto.


This is all I said at first.
All of this drama

From that


You guys came after me. I wanted to talk about why I liked the show in a brief post,, and you guys tried to step on my nuts. You guys act like the narutards are starting everything.

No. It is you, who starts the shit. I have not forced my belief of the show on you. I have not said LOL WATCH THIS ITS SO GEWD. I have not even atacked your views of anime despite having mine ganked and shanekd. I have even said that I am open to watching all of the animes you do. I do not care what animes you like, and will not judge you for it. I am not even mad. I just think the rage, towards the narutards is pointless and retarded. That is my personal opinion, and i'm JS.


Is this how you handle real life discussion? By flying off the handle and raging at people?

>>62257033
They might not have been high to begin with, but times have moved on and anime these days on average look better than they did in the past, so I feel it is fair to have higher standards for modern animation. Also, animation here is the medium of storytelling, so it is important for it to be up to a certain standard to effectively convey the scenes to the audience. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that all anime must have lots of outstanding animation, it just mustn't be some lazy slideshows otherwise we're all just better off reading manga.

>>62257211
>You guys act like the narutards are starting everything.
Yes, they are. You know pretty well that naruto is NOT accepted here yet you tried to force it on us. You are the wrong one here.

>>62257211
Because Naruto is bad and you should feel bad.
We don't watch Naruto. We don't discuss Naruto.
People have been BANNED for discussing Naruto.
We don't like new people. It's easy to appear not new, yet you've failed immensely at this.
On top of that, you're breaking global rules by being under 18.

>>62257211
You've changed your argument many times, but you ignore that handy fact. You've become mad, then smug in calling us mad. Now you assume we know nothing because that too is convenient.
We understand you all too well, there is nothing new under the sun and you aren't any different than the shit I step in on the sidewalk.
Leave.

>>62257235

I agree with that, unfortunately there are a lot of uneducated elitists who demand the highest of quality 24/7

>>62257211

read

>>62257244
>make a thread
>forcing you to look at it
lol, really.

>>62257355
Nobody's forcing us to use the board either. We just happen to draw the line somewhere, retard

The rate of the plot is important here. If I'm just watching a still frame slowly zooming with nothing happening, it's kind of a turn-off. (Though I recently watched Night on the Galactic Railroad and enjoyed it.)
On the other hand, if it's a slice of life show with no plot but good animation, not my cup of tea either. (Watched Redline and enjoyed it, too.)

>>62257329
Personally I haven't heard of such people, but shouldn't any rational person know that there are always various constraints such as budget and time and should have realistic expectations as such?

>>62257211
Nah, I can't enjoy this pile of shit called Naruto because the author tried to force us to eat all of his DEEP symbolism bullshit when he doesn't even have a fucking clue what to do with his own story.

>>62257244
I just said i'm not forcing it on anybody. In fact I said that in the post you QUOTED.

If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it.

Once again, you THINK i'm doing something that i'm actually not doing. And you're getting mad at that fantasy that isn't even real. This illusion created by your false assumptions of who I am is causing you to get mad at a situation that doesn't even exist.

>>62256941
Boundaries are always pushed by the dreamers.
Imagination is a one of the most important components of animation.

You can only be "subtle" for so long before you end up in stagnation, and subtlety itself is most effective when supporting something grandiose.

>>62257423
You're so awesome, I want to suck your dick.
You tell these elitist pigs in the nme of GLORIOUS NIPPON!

>>62257423
see
>>62257303

>>62257423
You are forcing it, you are trying to make something that is clearly not accepted be accepted.

>>62257303
Alright mr know it all

Tell me what my *argument* was

Prove to me and your fellow /a/ members that you weren't falsely interpreting my posts either.

I don't think you saw what I was really trying to say.

I've got Nope, that wasn't it
ready to copy and paste if you're wrong.

I'll be a real sport about it, if you read me like a big stupid book i'll admit it

>>62257151
When the camera makes a full sweep of the character's body or otherwise zooms in from a particular angle.

>>62257423
>Naruto
>Being accepted in /a/
Either you're a newfag or a troll, which you may be both.

>>62257519
say that to my face motherfucker not online see what happens

>>62257542
you know that's been in every shaft anime since szs

>>62257407

It's a group of elitists who normally started watching anime in the late 2000s when the quality was much higher. They demand high quality animation and shit on any series that isn't the anime equivilent of the Mona Lisa, using words like "moeshit" and "grimdark".

Their attitudes really piss me off, they infer knowledge with their elitist tastes but to anyone who knows anything about anime they are glaringly obviously new, and unfortunately people agree to these tastes like the sheep they are because said elitists act like their opinion is that of /a/ and therefore final.

Most '/a/ recommends' charts are horrifically shit and purposely choose the most obscure series in order to convey the illusion that they are knowledgeable of anime when in fact, they are not.

tl;dr yes I very mad

>>62257519
Your argument is throughout this thread. The refutations not long after. You've ignored quite a large number of them, I'm afraid; I'm not your slave, friend.
If you need things told to you twice to realize it, then you're worse off then I thought. Nobody here likes Naruto, we won't give it a chance, we won't appreciate you liking it and we sure as hell don't care what you think if you keep it to yourself.
Shitting up our board is something we will not accept

>>62257576
That's why I said it's a good trademark.
I found it most frequent in Monogatari so I used that as an example.

>>62257129
>not liking head tilts

Anyway Shinbo has been doing head tilts for at least a decade, he's never going to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUw1AfGi_I#t=6m18s

Who gives a fuck if someone likes Naruto? I mean, I think it's a pile of shit but it's still anime.

The only reason /a/ shits on it is because they don't like to attract narutards to /a/, which first of all is never going to happen because Narutards like to be around their own kind, and second of all - it's fucking anime all the same and this is a board for anime discussion, not elitist tastes discussion.

And I fucking hate Naruto.

>>62257590
>/a/ recommands charts
>bad
Then what? You want us to read popular series like Naruto because they're popular? Protip: they're horrible to read/watch. You can say whatever about elitism but this made us to read/watch better series.

>>62257609
You're implicating that I have tried to convert people to naruto

I havn't. There is no real indication of any kind of conversion attempts here. I am just expressing why I like the show. And I was only expressing that in one post. I've even said its ok if you guys don't like it. But I also said that despite the flaws you guys find that there are qualities in the show that I find enjoyable despite those flaws you guys have found that make me want to watch it anyways. I wasn't here to rant about how much I love the show either.

Oh boy, i sure love reading all these assumptions

Considering you guys pride yourself on *intelligent discussion* I find it funny that you jump the gun so much

Its kind of rule 101 when it comes to arguing, you don't jump the gun

I just wanted to say that I thought guy is a hilarious awesome character with his big goofy smiles and thumbs up and enthusasm etc

>>62257686
Except naruto is not anime nor manga.

>>62257722
>Fuck I love naruto
>said on >>62255612
>Nope. I'm here to stay. And if you push me i'll actively advertise /a/ on every naruto site known to man for the rest of the year.
>said on >>62255724
Fuck off, really.

>>62257722
>Considering you guys pride yourself on *intelligent discussion*
Since when has /a/ ever claimed to have more intelligent discussion than unintelligent?

>>62257649
Don't get me wrong I like head tilts.

Also how is SoulTaker? I tried the first ep a while back and it had my brain in knots.
Does it get a little easier to follow?

>>62257722
Too bad, Naruto have jumped the gun way before us.

>>62257773
I wasn't being serious there.
>cough
ASSUMPTIONS
>cough

>>62257722
I've said nothing of the sort. You're reverting to something said many posts ago by someone else.
What I will say is this, again, for your viewing pleasure: SHITTING UP OUR BOARD IS UNACCEPTABLE
This is the only point I have made. Stop using the strawman, for god's sake STOP USING IT. I have a relative just like you, likes to say 'you don't understand' and 'i never said that'. Scum of the earth.

>>62257807
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>>62257711

>better series

There's no such thing as 'better series' only series you enjoy more or less than others. You can shit on the 'subjective' argument all you want, it's true and nothing can change that.

There's an entire range of anime inbetween /a/'s elitist shit charts and entry-level Naruto/Bleach/popular series.

By confining yourself to elitist tastes you just prove that you don't care about how the anime is - only how liking it will make you appear on an anonymous imageboard, and that is pathetic.

Elitists aren't anime fans, you're posers by every definition. Narutards may be fucking annoying, but they know everything there is to know about Naruto and constantly rewatch episodes - All elitists do is post on /a/ and pass judgement on series they've only watched a single episode of, thinking they know everything about said series.

>>62257864
You don't know /a/ type of elitism do you? Do you even know why we shun and forbid nuru2 threads?

I don't know I think plot will always be of greater importance.

Great animation will heighten the tension of a scene if it's plot is good enough to make you care, but if you don't give a shit about the characters or situation they're in then it won't have such an impact.

Plus, I'm sure most of /a/ plays VNs and those are 100% plot and 0% animation.

>>62257939
>/a/ plays VNs and those are 100% plot and 0% animation.
Sorry, I can't hear you over the miracle that is rUGP engine.

>>62257936

I'm pretty sure I already know why, but I'd love to see your explaination because you know I'm just going to shoot it down in flames.

>>62257939
>He can't into YNS

>>62257939
>VNs are 100% plot and 0% animation
More like 25% plot, 25% art, 25% cute girls and 25% porn.

>>62257864
>Narutards may be fucking annoying, but they know everything there is to know about Naruto and constantly rewatch episodes - All elitists do is post on /a/ and pass judgement on series they've only watched a single episode of, thinking they know everything about said series.
You never read any anime club thread I suppose? 90% of the anime clubs members refuse to watch others series other than -insert your generic popular anime name here-. THEY are not anime fans, elitists are.

>>62257979
We forbid them because naruto has the worst fanbase of the fucking planet, if we let naruto threads be succesful then one time or another narutards will find out about this place - I'm pretty sure they already do though - and start becoming comfortable here, shitting up the board even further. And while one might say that they could remain inside naruto threads only, just like any infection, if not dealt with it shall achieve a level where it's beyond control, breaking the jail that was made for them. And you know why people hate on those anime charts made by /a/? Exactly for the same reason, most of them are entry-level anime that most normalfags like, same shit would happen so we are forced to shamefully refuse liking them, because if we accept them, we will also be attracting normalfags. And we all know how they absolutely refuse to accept the board's culture and refuse to ignore shit they don't like - waifu faggotry is the most common example but "moeshit" is also another good one - .

>>62257846
>scum of the earth
Yep, you sound logical.
Might as well scream alallalallalal and fly a big jet plane
All this extra nonsense is their BS. Not mine.

>>62258151

'Normalfags' and 'Narutards' are part of the anime fanbase whether you like it or not. This is /a/ - discussion for anime, not some kind of elite secret hidden club for a select few.

You sound like the faggots who joined /b/ in 2006-2007 and thought it was some kind of super-edgy cool kids club.

>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
Yes

>>62258215
Nice strawman hat you got there. I never said they're not, I just said that they are annoying and not wanted here exactly because of that.

>>62258174
>strawman again
Leave

>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
This one is iffy. I watched Redline and hated it.

Detroit Metal City has shit animation, but it's still a great show.

>>62257590
Best chart hasn't been posted yet, don't worry bro I got your back.

The Naruto cat fight is really really really funny. STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE ILL BLOW YOUR THREAD UP DERPPPPP NARUTARDS AHAHHAHHHH. Every Naruto thread I've seen when I come here has been civil and decent until the spam, which isn't that much but whatever. I dropped Naruto years ago btw, so aint no bias in here son.

>>62258249
I think it hurts the /a/ community to have such little pride in your ability to grow as a community with new members who like anime

You guys are the anime dudes. You could show them your ways and i'm sure they'd be respectful of you as long as you were respectful of them.

>>62258249

Elitists are much more more annoying than any narutard I've met. Elitists think they're something they're not. Narutards are just themselves.

You seem to be under the impression that /a/ is either made of shitposter narutards or elitists, actually many of us are anime fans who have been on /a/ since 2003 and use it for it's intended purpose - discussing Anime and Manga. Just because we have the sense to lurk and not get involved in your bullshit tirade of elitism doesn't mean we don't exist.

Elitists AND Narutards should get the fuck off /a/ and maybe we'd actually have a board full of people who love anime and love to discuss it civily without shitposting in one form or another.

>>62258351
You have no idea where you are.
You must be thinking of Gaia, sorry for the mixup

Just saying.
But whatever you do, /a/ will not change due to this one thread.

>>62258351
Consider: Bigger does not always equal better. Attracting more people to our glorious shithole will not automatically make it better, or even not make it worse.

>>62258421
Don't fucking encourage him.

>>62258446
Alright
Nothing he/they do will not change /a/

>>62258351
>I think it hurts the /a/ community to have such little pride in your ability to grow as a community with new members who like anime
We need new good members, not shitposters, we have plenty of that already.
>You guys are the anime dudes. You could show them your ways and i'm sure they'd be respectful of you as long as you were respectful of them.
As I said, they are not, they can't ignore what they don't like even if it's /a/ related, thus causing shitstorms and derailing otherwise great threads.
>>62258375
Nope, elitism is exactly what keeps the little quality this board still has, otherwise we'd turn into Gaia or /v/ 2.0. Though the latter is already happening since we have no mods during a certain time.

>>62258253
You are taking a tone with me in which you do not believe I am capable of fair logical thought.

I'm sorry, but I cannot give a calm discussion when you look down your nose at me like that. Nobody likes that.


If you promise to assume I can talk reasonably with you and give me that chance, I will talk with you fairly and in a calm fashion.

Please, talk to me and lets reach a resolution together. This is all a misunderstanding.

>>62258499
Another guy here.

>Please, talk to me and lets reach a resolution together.
Here is my terms.
We don't talk about naruto.
Don't like it, go somewhere else.

>>62258499
We don't like naruto, we don't discuss naruto, we don't acknowledge naruto. If you can deal with this: problem solved. If not, you can fuck off. Another anon by the way.

>>62258499
I'll allow you to make a coherent point. For your sake more than mine. I'll counter it as well as I want.
Though if you act like a child, don't be surprised when you're treated like one

>>62258324

This chart is exactly what I'm talking about. Listing constant old series in an attempt to alienate the new fans - it's so transparent and I like pre-2000 anime more than post 2000 anime.

Elitists think that their elitism improves the board, but elitism by its very definition is self-appointed, therefore any action elitists take will be seen as 'the right thing to do' even when it's fucking retarded.

Elitism itself is a flawed concept, I don't want to get too philosophical here but just because you think you're better than everyone else or know more than everyone else doesn't mean you actually do/are.

It's like what they say about Jealousy - Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind, but in the end the only race is with yourself. Everyone else can spot an elitist a mile away.

>>62258499
Reported.

>>62258566
There are plently of rec threads with post-2000 anime, moron.

This thread has shown me something I never thought I would see on /a/
The other side of the argument

it has shown me that Naruto fans are actually reasonable and intelligent people capable of offering compelling arguments against /a/'s copypasts and rhetoric

I'm starting to wonder, where did it all go wrong?

>>62258635
>it has shown me that Naruto fans are actually reasonable and intelligent people capable of offering compelling arguments against /a/'s copypasts and rhetoric
Just saying.
But not all of them are like this.

>>62258621
Err, rec charts*.

>>62258533

>We

Who is 'we'? Naruto has been discussed ever since it started. Just because a few Weaboos worship it doesn't make it taboo to talk about on /a/.

Your new is showing. Drop your elitist attitude.

All this shit about 'protecting /a/' reeks of newfaggotry and you guys can't even see how obvious it is to someone who has been posting for more than 8 years

>>62258699
That was part of a copy pasta you know.

>>62258635
1997, genius

>>62258699
Yeah, naruto is really accepted here, we should really discuss it. I know, I'll even make a thread about it right no!

>>62258635
>it has shown me that Naruto fans are actually reasonable and intelligent people capable of offering compelling arguments against /a/'s copypasts and rhetoric
But that's wrong. He hasn't made many intelligent points.

>>62258699
You aren't a part of we, evidently.
Being excluded is not grounds for faggotry, not pissing contests

>>62258744

>2011

>Toradora
>quality

laughingwhores.jpg

also, Minorin >>>> Taiga errday

>>62254342
>Do you care about animation in anime?
Yes, but it's not what I'm looking for the most.
>Would you watch an anime that has an awesome plot even if the animation is bad?
Yes, awesome plot can save any show for me no matter how shitty the animation was.
>Or would you watch a well-animated show even if the plot is shit?
I would, as long as the animation was the primary selling point of said show.

>>62258744
Elitism is really bad guys >:( we should allow naruto threads since naruto is better than all of that moeshit that you guys watch! It's not even an anime for pedophiles! And we should ban waifu threads too!

>>62258834
Oh look the narutard thread spammer gets banned for ban evasion.

cool story bro

>>62258771
Thanks for being a kind understanding reasonable individual who wouldn't put down somebody else over something like a childrens TV

>he hasn't made any intelligent points

Well then

>>62258834
And we really should allow memes from reddit and off-topic threads too! Memes are so funny and reddit is a really great place to hang out and talk with friends. And why do I get shitted on whenever I mention I have facebook? It's really great for socializing! I know! We should have daily threads over there at /soc/ inviting people to /a/ too! That way we can have even more posters, the more the merrier right?!

And if you didn't fucking noticed, I was being ironic on my last posts.

>>62258880
see my more than generous offer of
>>62258558
Stop being mad

>>62258880

Why do I smile whenever I see a picture of Goku?

>>62259014
Because daily dose.

>>62258880
>Children's TV
You only watch shonen.

>Animation quality discussion
>No Kara no Kyoukai

What the hell

>>62259052
That masks its lack of animation with BLOOM for the most part.

>>62259052
It's alright

>>62258780

But I'm not wrong. Naruto was discussed years ago without any problems, why is it suddenly taboo now? Just because the /a/ you knew a few years ago is different now and therefore you have to exclude all mainstream tastes in order to keep some idealist vision of the board you have?

What about ghibli? Lots of 'casuals' enjoy that, lets completely ignore that too. Yeah, great plan 'bro' or whatever the fuck you kids call each other.

You will dilute the board by restricting conversation, stop being scared of other anime fans just because you feel /a/ is some kind of elite club.

Idiots will flock to /a/ and anywhere regardless of what happens, lead by example by allowing civil naruto discussions to go on rather than shitting them up with your attitude, you just encourage more trolls and make the board even worse.

I don't know if you were around in 2007 but the exact same thing happened back then too - /b/ got mainstream exposure and thanks to Lucky Star, Death Note etc. etc. more gaia-types flocked to /a/.

I heard the same thing back then too "elitism will save /a/, it'll get the shit out" but instead what happened was that there was so much rampant elitism vs. these so called 'gaiafags' that every thread turned into a trainwreck.

Your ideas and values are nothing new, if you want to save the board then post normally instead of shitting on people and they will do the same.

Conflict breeds conflict and shitposting, if you continue to post normally then the shitposters either get bored and go away or assimilate.

>>62259046

That's quite the assumption.

>>62259122
>I heard the same thing back then too "elitism will save /a/, it'll get the shit out" but instead what happened was that there was so much rampant elitism vs. these so called 'gaiafags' that every thread turned into a trainwreck.
Hmm, I actually agree with this.

>>62259128
You wouldn't call it Children's TV if you watched something other than children's anime.

>>62259122
That was my first post in the thread; my opinion is cut from the same cloth as yours.
I just didn't like your method of persuasion

>>62259122

>why is it taboo

Because omg Luffy has stretchy arms lol! :D

But seriously, I don't give a shit what you talk about on /a/ as long as it's anime. The only reason these guys get so pissy at you is because they're either underage or they have yet to learn to tolerate other human beings.

>>62258952
I apologize for any past illogical posts and any implied insulting implications my past posts could have had. With that said, I'm sorry, I told you that I would only be willing to talk with you in a calm logical fashion if you promised to assume I was capable of logical reasoning.

You responded to my post located here>>62258499
but you still included childish belittlement in your post quoting me even after it was obviously agreed that we were not going to try to act like children anymore.

Because of this I have no solid reason to believe you will ever take me seriously on my offer to talk this through rationally and in an adult like manner which has highly discouraged me from wanting to talk to you anymore about this.

>>62259199

What?

Kid shut the fuck up, be the bigger man, and drop the argument.

You adapt to /a/, /a/ doesn't adapt to you. You cry over being made fun of and being told to get out but if you keep throwing shit storms like these when someone disagrees with you that isn't going to stop.

>>62259122
>But I'm not wrong. Naruto was discussed years ago without any problems, why is it suddenly taboo now? Just because the /a/ you knew a few years ago is different now and therefore you have to exclude all mainstream tastes in order to keep some idealist vision of the board you have?
Bleach and One Piece gets discussed plenty, it's just Naruto.
>What about ghibli? Lots of 'casuals' enjoy that, lets completely ignore that too. Yeah, great plan 'bro' or whatever the fuck you kids call each other.
It also gets quite a lot of praise. I personally dislike it but more because of different tastes so I just ignore Ghibli threads.
>You will dilute the board by restricting conversation, stop being scared of other anime fans just because you feel /a/ is some kind of elite club.
So you're okay with turning /a/ into /v/ 2.0?
>Idiots will flock to /a/ and anywhere regardless of what happens, lead by example by allowing civil naruto discussions to go on rather than shitting them up with your attitude, you just encourage more trolls and make the board even worse.
Again, narutards are the worst kind of anime fans, even casual/normalfags aren't as annoying as them, this is the main reason they are not allowed.
>I don't know if you were around in 2007 but the exact same thing happened back then too - /b/ got mainstream exposure and thanks to Lucky Star, Death Note etc. etc. more gaia-types flocked to /a/.

>>62259313

You do see the irony in your post right.

>>62259122
>What about ghibli? Lots of 'casuals' enjoy that
You can have nice Ghibli threads once in a while here, nothing wrong with them.

Elitism keeps the idiots out of here, look what happened to /v/ and tell me again is a good idea to be tolerant.

>>62259372
>I heard the same thing back then too "elitism will save /a/, it'll get the shit out" but instead what happened was that there was so much rampant elitism vs. these so called 'gaiafags' that every thread turned into a trainwreck.
And the result? Now we have almost no gaiafags, the ones that we have gets immediately shitted upon once they act as such. It's a necessary sacrifice, a few threads will have to be derailed so /a/ can be a better place.
>Your ideas and values are nothing new, if you want to save the board then post normally instead of shitting on people and they will do the same.
Can't they do the same? Can't they just post and discuss anime without shitposting?
>Conflict breeds conflict and shitposting, if you continue to post normally then the shitposters either get bored and go away or assimilate.
Nope, those kind of people want attention and will do it forever until they get the wanted attention, ignoring them will only make them comfortable, thus implying such attitude is acceptable, inviting then more of their rotten ilk to our home.

>>62259261
Then the matter is settled. Your feelings are hurt, civility is out the window.
I have no problem if you maintain this modicum of an illusion of self-contentment. Realize, though, that everything you've tried to get across has been successfully discussed before, with less accusations of persecution

>>62259122
Comparing Miyazaki's work with Naruto...

Get of /a/

>>62259478
>still using that shitty zoomed picture

>>62259427

Lay off the guy man. Sheesh.

>>62259399

>skyrim thread on /vg/
>someone posts a couple screenshots
>rest of the thread is an argument

Doesn't this sort of thing have more to do with intolerance than anything else?

>>62259577
That's exactly the point of elitism.

>>62259593

So we just have to be ass holes to normalfags?

>>62259427
>Your feelings are hurt
Sir, they are not hurt in the slightest. Thanks for proving that you are a man who jumps to conclusions by assuming otherwise, though. Its not a trait i'd want to have to deal with in rational logical conversation. Yet another reason why I do not have confidence in your ability to talk this through with me.

I agree with one thing though. The matter is settled.

>>62259680
Yes.

>>62259680
>eating coffee
>eating

>>62259680
Practically yes.
People can use google if they want recommendations.
People can use google to find reviews if they want to know what an anime is about.
People can use google to find places to discuss anime/manga that /a/ doesn't.
There really is no point to ask /a/ about those things.

>>62259680
Please do

>>62259680
Not normalfags, just people who ignore the board culture and are clear shitposters. We should shit on them if they make blog threads and start talking about their life though.

>>62259718
But then, what is /a/ for?

no

>>62259768
Discussing season anime.

>>62259768
Discussing currently airing series of course

>>62259768
Discussing anime that is currently airing with people who actually like anime and are not biased due to society laws.

>>62259768
Discussing anime, not being your personal Google.

>>62259783
>>62259788
>>62259795
>>62259803

>>62259768
Discussing obscure ongoing manga, and season anime.
A little nostalgia fagging on the side.

>>62259768
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>>62259795
>>62259803
Are you actually responding to that post. For shame.

>>62259803
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>>62259783
I've never felt a stronger bond with you guys

>>62259865
You should have been on this thread, it was glorious.

>>62259898

>>62259372
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>>62259401

No, elitist attitudes have changed nothing. /a/ from 2007 onwards has been a shitheap and you guys are too new to notice. You're completely deluded if you think this mindset is going to change anything, it didn't the first time around and look where we are now.

Maybe you're too young to be familiar with the phrase "Don't feed the trolls" ? There's a good reason it's so widely used.

Look at these people:

>>62259783
>>62259788
>>62259795
>>62259803

They promote 'anime discussion' yet seem to shit up every thread with their attitudes. You can tell me 'elitism works' all you want, you're seeing proof in this thread right now that it clearly doesn't.

If there is nobody to call someone a 'casual' then a 'casual' doesn't exist. It's a label you create yourselves by trying to exclude others. You all know that logically you don't have a leg to stand on.

You guys are like 2006-2007 /b/ users. You'd be better suited to 7chan if you want some kind of super exclusive club.

>>62259783
There is no predetermined particular aspect of anime to be discussed.

The boards name is

/a/

Anime & Manga

If its anime

If its manga

It belongs here

Thinking otherwise does not make it true, even if you do want to enforce that lie. It would be well within the accepted written rules of /a/ to make a naruto thread right this very second. There is no official black list of anime that is allowed or disallowed here.

And from what i've seen most of the shit posting in the naruto threads comes from
1. The trolls trying to spam it to oblivion with copy pasta of some lunatics rantings as to why the series is *lol bad*
2. The people attacking the naruto fans who just want to talk about the show
3. The naruto fans getting mad at the people and trolls shitting up their thread out of pure hate


If you don't like it just hide the thread, don't hate it

>>62259914
I was one of the two that actually started the whole shitstorm, it only got worse after that.

I love ho Japan animators aren't used to fluid animation and when they try it they usually fail horribly

>>62259783
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>>62259795
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>>62259825
>>62259826


>Go to bed Anon
>Stop skipping classes, Anon
>I'm going to post [this fish] until you like it.
>[evangelion image] WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH
>and many many more I cannot remember off the top of my head

Please, if THAT is what you want then try harder. Stop trying to lock out the newfags and try to get rid of the old nuclear waste burning in your broom closet.

>>62259979
>Go to bed Anon
Don't mind.
>Stop skipping classes, Anon
Annoying, but isn't bad.
>I'm going to post [this fish] until you like it.
Not so annoying, and it's once per day.
>[evangelion image] WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH
Woop for newfags.

>>62259937
Adding personalities and histories onto anonymous posters is where you fall flat on your face. Otherwise good run

>>62259937
Except that 2007 was when 4chan wasn't popular, it was around that time that shit started hitting the fan. Try to think what would /a/ be like if we ignored all the bullshit that we have to deal with on a daily basis. We'd be /v/ but with anime/manga. Do you like /v/? Do you like off-topic? Do you like shitposting? Do you like underageb&? Do you like having absolutely no discussion? I don't think so.

>>62259979

This. I would take a Naruto thread over those types of thread anytime. /a/ is for ANIME and MANGA not the cultural aspect of /a/ and what it's userbase likes to eat for breakfast.

>>62259937
>No, elitist attitudes have changed nothing.
No one says elitism will save the board, any kind of community has phases and getting more people in obviously forces some changes.

What we're trying to avoid is letting the wrong kind of people in.

>They promote 'anime discussion' yet seem to shit up every thread with their attitudes.
Cool assumption bro.

>>62259940