You'll be more pissed at the drop off of animation quality by the end of season 2.

And boy does it drop off.

>>59081110
It's good imo, granted new Birdy look not as hot as old Birdy but Tsutomu got one hell of upgrade, action and music are pretty good. Seriously, dat OP

>>59081148
I bet. But what about the manga/OVA canon and tone? Does the show respect it at all or it it just "we Birdy now"?

Maybe you should watch something that isn't shit, like something that isn't anything related to tetsuwan birdy.

>>59081200
Not even close to the manga/OVA.

But, watch it anyways.It's still enjoyable, and /a/ does like it.

>>59081242
I will, but with a broken heart.

>>59081181
>but Tsutomu got one hell of upgrade

I liked him better when he was a weird coward.

>>59081148
>drop off of animation quality by the end of season 2.

But the animation is actually pretty damn good, that's just how Tomoyuki Niho animates.

>>59082300
That's budget animation, and you know it. That's how every animation looks at the beginning stage, they had just no moneez to perfect it.

>>59082360
I dunno, Niho isn't really very good at staying on model. I'm not sure how much "better" it could really look.

>>59082360
>Birdy S2
>not having /a/'s favorite animated fights of all time

>>59082360
Keep in mind that animation is movement and not necessarily detail, in terms of movement the animation toward the end of S2 is pretty great for a TV series.

Let's just pretend there was no Birdy TV series, only the OVA.

>>59081110
I feel you bro. I watched the OVA first and then moved to the next tv series. It just wasn't the same.

>>59082464
But the TV series is better.

>>59082416
>>59082428
>>59082451
Just look at the fights at the beginning, that wasn't as rushed as the other shit near the end of season 2 and looked acceptable. I don't think arguing about semantics is a good idea, remember anime as whole is referred as animation and just because it is fluid doesn't mean it looks fine/good. If that was the case they would just animate stick figures.

>>59082300
>>59082416
>>59082428
>>59082451
Seriously, stop that. It was dynamic and shit, but the actual drawing was like it was done by some paralyzed kid with down syndrome.
It could have been detailed and well-drown... but it wasn't, so it looked like shit.

This "artsy", "sketchy" animation style isn't good, stop fooling yourselves.

>>59082514
>>59082530
Why can't you appreciate stylistic aberrations in animation? Why does everything need to look the same?

>>59082530
>If I don't like it, it's shit
http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/

S2 has the best animation scene in Anime ever

SO ARTISTIC AND BEAUTIFUL!

>>59082471
I just feel betrayed. The OVA had some of the best animation from the 90s I've ever seen and stayed pretty damn close to the source material. DECODE so far is "oh hey, here's an old sci-fi show with an ongoing manga that we could make into something palatable for TV".

>>59082530
There's nothing wrong with artsy or sketchy animation if it's done on purpose from the start, like in Kemonozume. The problem with Birdy was that the animation suddenly went completely off model in the last few episodes of season 2. It certainly didn't feel like an artistic decision. That said, I think Birdy has some of the best animation in TV anime, including the low detail fights in S2.

>It's artsy, don't hate it plz!!
>It has the best Animutiun i have evern seeen!!!!
God dammit people in this thread just don't have taste or have never seen good animation.

maybe I'm wrong, but I thought some of the Niho scenes and a bunch of the others in S2 actually DID look like they weren't finished. I don't think the scribbly art would've been a problem but I didn't feel that they moved well enough to justify it; they looked like the work of a good animator who was rushed.

however, I don't know what /a/ is referring to when they say 'S2 has shitty animation'. often bits that do look rushed get posted but occasionally people post scenes that I think look great. for instance there's this scene with a weird green color scheme that I don't think is all that impressive (IIRC the guys in the sakuga panel that everyone keeps linking said it was great) but the super-dramatic bit in (I think) the same episode with a red color scheme and Birdy going batshit was very good and totally justified using a scribbly style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQQmQaqxlmE

>>59082838
>HERP DERP THIS IS SO BAD ANIMATED, 4 $ BUDGET HERP DERP I AM SO GOOD, I KNOW WHAT ANIMATION IS

No, you are just a faggot.

>>59082876
>the super-dramatic bit in (I think) the same episode with a red color scheme and Birdy going batshit was very good and totally justified using a scribbly style.
Do you mean this?

>>59082754
I don't know, I think style changes are fine if they're done well. in BIrdy S2 some scenes just looked rushed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSDtH67q7E this video is a good example of what I referred to just now. I think the bit from around 3:40 onwards is good and a justified style switch for a PARTICULARLY dramatic scene like this, even if this type of style wasn't used in the show up to this point. but then there are other parts in the video which just look rushed; not horrible but rushed. 1:25 just looks like a fight that could've been amazing if they spent more time on it. like if it was actually animated well people wouldn't have even noticed the scribbly art because, well, it was moving so fucking well.
>>59082891
this however is a great scene

>>59083051
YES THAT. I think it looks great. even if there was no other scene that looked like that in the show I think the style is totally justified because it fits the nature and feel of the scene, and it is also well done. in some of the earlier scenes in that episode though I feel that it genuinely looks sloppy though.

You guys keep saying it's rushed and cheap but actually, S2 is one of A-1's most expensive series. For the last fight (>>59082891) and birdy's action scene when she was a child (see >>59083051 ), a lot of Key animators were involved to animate it.

OP here. Thanks for the thread; I'm going to bed.

>>59083192
I don't know, maybe there were certain deadline issues? I could be wrong but 1:25 doesn't really look like a finished scene that just decided to look that choppy. clearly it's drawn by a talented person but it still looks shoddy to me.

>>59083273
>1:25
I meant in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSDtH67q7E sorry

You guys just cherrypic things that got fixed in the DVD release and ignore all the shit that happened while it aired and didn't got fixed. It was a massive disappointment at airtime and i am not willing to forgive them for that or watch it again. Seriously, why the fuck does almost every actionscene still look like a chubby version of shin-chan?

>>59083053
I see what you mean and I agree. Stylistic variation isn't always bad and I can think of a few shows where it worked well.

>>59083389
>why the fuck does almost every actionscene still look like a chubby version of shin-chan?
do you have any examples beyond the whole flashback episode? because I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.

>>59083430
just look at this
>>59083287

>>59083389
>implying Shin-chan doesn't have some of the best action scenes in anime

>>59083430
Remember the scene where that one dude ripped the arms off? or how the boss from birdy looked? I mean stuff like this.

>>59083450
>beyond the whole flashback episode
Is it really that hard to read, bro?

>>59083450
>beyond the whole flashback episode
this is the episode that everyone always targets, and yes I do understand the criticism, but I don't recall any other scenes that were on this level. people always just post this one episode episode when they criticize Birdy S2's animation as a whole but I never see any other examples (except for when they post scenes from >>59082891 which is a great scene)

>>59083552
>Remember the scene where that one dude ripped the arms off?
which episode was that? I saw it in a Youtube video once but I don't know which one it was. I honestly remember it looking good though.

I also remember an action scene by Hironori Tanaka which looks "bad" by the same standards that Seiya Numata's crazy Higurashi faces are "bad" but actually used scribbly drawings really well to show off a character's speed and makes perfect sense within the context.

>>59083592
Dude, you seriously want me to search youtube for scenes i barely remember from years ago and pic the ones that looked like that? As >>59083552 said i remember this one scene and the fight with that one robotgirl that looked pretty "artsy". I just hate it when the bodies deform almost beyond recognition just so that they can be "fluid". I would rather take CGi than this. Well, ok only CGi from movies and not tv series. but i hope you get what i mean.
>>59083703
I though it was this one frogalien or something? Well, we could argue that the animation fit because it was an alien and thus could deform like that. But it looks just like an excuse so that they don't need to put detail into the series.
I watched Decode because of the old OVA by the way. I didn't expect the art to regress this far after that many years of technical improvements in the anime industry.

>>59083703
also
>google search to find that image
>find a terrible crunchyroll QUALITY XD thread http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-519/poorly-drawn-anime-scenes-image-intensive?pg=77 where this is posted as an example of 'bad art'
>realize that the people on /a/ who do the same thing are the exact same kids who are simply using a more offensive and less emoticon-filled posting style

QUALITY thread?

>>59083812
>I just hate it when the bodies deform almost beyond recognition just so that they can be "fluid"
no they often deform to get a specific effect. it's completely fine to dislike the style, but then there's the idea that it's just the animators being lazy and not knowing how to draw. it's still legit and takes skill to pull off. naturally not everyone's going to like it but not everyone likes animation that stays on model all the time either.

The episodes were long done before the deadline. They even had an article in an anizine before episode 7 aired and were expecting a backlash because of its style. And they were absolutely right to, after all most anime fans couldn't give shit about actual animation and don't know shit about it. Everytime I see some "best fights" thread on an anime forum nobody ever mentions things like Birdy or Noein or Kemonozume, it's always some crap that consists out of stills and fastlines and barely actual movement.

>>59084107
>>59084160
cloudflare is a bitch hm?
Well i get it, it seems to be cool for the style too look bad (for me).
>>59084284
If the whole show would look like ep7... would you like it?
Do you prefer this sort of animation over things like KnK, for example?

>>59084284
>They even had an article in an anizine before episode 7 aired and were expecting a backlash because of its style
is this available anywhere online?

>>59084284
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSDtH67q7E#t=1m24s I still don't see how this bit doesn't look rushed. the overall composition is good, the use of color is good, all the crazy perspective it uses clearly requires a lot of technical skill to draw... but the actual movement looks choppy, and not in a Mitsuo Iso-esque way that still FEELS fluid despite not using that many frames because the timing is so good.

I could be wrong, and I'm open to being proven wrong, but that's how I feel right now.

>>59084390
Over something drawn to appeal to otaku? Of course. Mind you there are some good action scenes but also fastlines and stills for several others and those are actually films, not some TV series. And action scenes aside the terrible character designs are a real turn-off just like most other anime. Birdy is one of the less offensive examples and it clearly improves in episodes where they don't care about the initial designs and just let the animators draw what does the most impact. And somebody mentioned Shin-Chan above, now THAT's good stuff, I wish we could have more series outgoing like that instead of all of them following the same expatiated bishoujo/bishounen designs that are the bane of Japanese animation.

Watching the good bits in KnK just makes me weep about the fact that good animators waste their time on such otaku crap, just like K-On and some of the better TV stuff. (Better as in more than the usual one minute unimpressive animation alongside of 19 minutes stills and lip-flap.)

>>59084445
Not sure if this one is available somewhere but I remember somebody collected lots of articles on Birdy on Benjamin Ettinger's forums back when it aired.