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    71 KB Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:02 No.58459872  
    So if this bill passes, is nyaatorrent and all other related sites guaranteed to go down?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:03 No.58459912
    >>58459872

    If that bill pases, the internet will be shot down.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:03 No.58459916
    FUD
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:04 No.58459952
    probably.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:05 No.58459960
    >>58459872
    Nope
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:05 No.58459967
    >>58459872
    Funimation &co will be allowed to snap these sites like easy pie, yes.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:06 No.58460010
    >>58459872

    Look on the bright side if it does we can all catch up with our backlogs
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:06 No.58460015
    Can't they just move servers to Europe?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:07 No.58460038
    >nyaa.eu
    >.eu

    daiji.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:07 No.58460049
    Nyaatorrents are already hosted in Sweden.
    >> ­ 12/15/11(Thu)18:08 No.58460065
    >>58460015

    The servers are in Sweden, if the bill passes Nyaa can continue normally. At worst Americans won't be able to view it.

    Sage for not anime.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:08 No.58460068
    >>58460015

    >Move to Europe
    >Move
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:08 No.58460078
    obama will fucking crush the bill. you guys get your knickers in a massive tornado of twists everytime there is some censorship stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:08 No.58460083
    No. If you're in the US though, you'll lose access to them as ISPs are forced to deny access to those IP addresses.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:09 No.58460094
    sites in europe will be blocked
    sites in america will be handed over to the coypright owners

    end result is that people in america can't use the site
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:10 No.58460115
    >>58459872
    Thanks to op's pic, I was reminded to find Ep 11 of Sukunai.

    SOPA will kill the net. Everyone will have to make their own shit.

    It won't stop people doing what they do now, it'll just drive it all underground.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:10 No.58460124
    >>58460078
    Just like with NDAA right?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:10 No.58460126
    >>58460083

    This is retarded.

    The concept is the same as saying "oh hey, this guy has the ability to steal a car. Let's cut off his legs so he can't reach the gas pedal!".
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:10 No.58460132
    Isn't the bill about DNS blocks, though? We should have ditched this centralised DNS model and switched to peer-to-peer DNS long ago anyway.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:10 No.58460142
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    They wont be shut down but americans wont be able to connect
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:10 No.58460144
    >>58460065
    For once, I am happy of being latino. In case the worst happens I'll just have to watch spanish subs
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:11 No.58460162
    >>58460049
    >Nyaatorrents _is_
    Not ARE.
    goddammit.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:11 No.58460170
    >>58460068
    "move"

    Happy?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:11 No.58460178
    >>58460015
    That's the point. One of the parts of this bill allows the government to have search engines remove links. What this does is hurt ads who advertise on these sites.
    >> ­ 12/15/11(Thu)18:12 No.58460198
    >>58460132

    >P2P DNS.

    No thanks.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:12 No.58460216
    >pirate sites move to mexico and eastern europe
    >nothing changes
    For now at a least, USA would push for a worldwide censor if this ever passes, which i doubt.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:12 No.58460222
    >>58459872
    nyaa wouldn't go down.

    worst that could happen would be that it would need to block ips from japan/wherever licensed.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:12 No.58460229
    >>58460015
    Yes. But, the provision in the bill allows you to prevent your torrent client to connecting to the tracker =(
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:13 No.58460235
    >>58460094
    Lucky I don't live in America
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:13 No.58460244
    >>58460126
    It's more like, "oh this road led to free for all stolen car showroom, let's block it."
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:14 No.58460284
    >>58460132
    no...the bill basically allows people to legally demand you to take down your website until their copyright claims have been proven/thrown out.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:14 No.58460308
    Poor americunts.
    Superior eurofag reporting in.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:14 No.58460310
    >entire of america blocked from watching anime

    this would be really bad for the business.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:15 No.58460350
    >>58460308
    Well at least we'll still have our guns-
    >NDAA
    How's the job market in Czechoslovakia?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:15 No.58460351
    >>58460198
    What's the matter, too DISTRIBUTED for you? Just run your own server if you don't trust any other then.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:15 No.58460356
    >If it passes Obama swore to veto it.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:16 No.58460379
    All I know is that if this passes, I'm changing citizenship.

    And when the day comes that America tries to go full-on Empire, I'll stand by my new people and kill any pathetic coward who still calls themselves "American".
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:16 No.58460380
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    I guess the politicians have been bribed enough to believe piracy is hurting the economy...

    America bros, you're screwed.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:16 No.58460397
    >>58460350
    Is it hard to get into Switzerland?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:17 No.58460418
    >>58460216

    The whole point of the bill is that it doesn't attack websites directly, but instead restricts DNS and links to the website from directing people to the website. These are things that can be evaded if you know what you're doing, but it will cause a whole lot of collateral damage in the process.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:18 No.58460461
    so how would I access it if the bill gets passed? Is there some kind of loophole?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:20 No.58460534
    >>58460284
    But that's only if your site is hosted in the US, I expect. Who in their right mind does that?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:20 No.58460543
    >>58460350
    If you are being serious: EU citizens share the same working rights as Czechs so working in the country is relatively easy. Average working hours are 40 hours per week.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:22 No.58460626
    >>58460350
    Czechoslovakia...wut?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:22 No.58460649
    Will this effect xdcc?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:22 No.58460650
    >>58460397
    >switzerland
    even breathing is expensive in there
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:23 No.58460653
    >>58460626
    Has very loose gun laws.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:23 No.58460655
    >>58460356

    > president popularity down
    > set up a stupid evil law and it passes
    > president kills it
    > president popularity up
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:23 No.58460670
    >>58460650
    I know, but I love me some guns.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:23 No.58460679
    >>58460461

    Well when the Belgian government blocked Pirate Bay, PB started to automatically redirect everyone from Belgium to a different site, Depiraatbaai. Once they block that site, PB just does it again.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:23 No.58460684
    Even so, there's no guarantee that they'll take any action even if the new bill passes.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:24 No.58460747
    Fuck this. I'm moving to constantinople.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:26 No.58460810
    >>58460684
    You kidding? It's basically free money for lawyers since it forces the website owner to go through the process regardless of innocence.

    There'd be lawyers trolling all over the place making billions the second this thing passes.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:27 No.58460824
    >>58460747

    You mean Istanbul?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:28 No.58460868
    >>58460824
    I've got a date in constantinople.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:28 No.58460891
    Friendly tip for all those suggesting migration: Europe is like 3 years behind the USA in terms of dystopian laws at most, won't solve your problems. Egypt and Tunisia were the world's hope at this point, but they don't seem to be doing too well. We're fucked everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:29 No.58460919
    >>58460810
    Fucking jews running America
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:30 No.58460949
    this is one slippery slope that america is about to slip on.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:30 No.58460954
    >>58460810

    lmao, I know of lawyers who say they'll make so much money if this bill passes. For the first year, it'll be a clusterfuck of everyone sueing everyone
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:30 No.58460973
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    People aren't kidding when they say America is ruled by its corporations.

    I guess if we're lucky, a company like Google could threaten to move its business away from America, the politicians would have to take that seriously.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:31 No.58461001
    >american influences politics world wide
    >bad law passes in america
    >implying america won't pressure other countries to pass the same bad laws

    euro fags are retarded
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:31 No.58461029
    >>58460973
    Why in the blue fuck would Google pull out of its biggest market?

    They're not that "nice" of a company.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:32 No.58461036
    >>58460954

    Hey, it could be good in the long run. Get lawyers issuing copyright claims on every website in existence, shutting down the entire internet.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:32 No.58461058
    Fact : If the American government is allowed to get away with this, almost every other government that already isn't doing this will follow suit.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:33 No.58461099
    EU parliament already said they won't follow this.

    Neither will Japan.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:34 No.58461109
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    >>58459872
    Watching the streams it seems that it will undoubtedly pass since they were denying all the amendments that would make this censoring not as bad as it was. The politics aren't even hiding that they were bought and don't know shit about the internet. Comparing people to toaster and claiming that by stopping piracy they will stop CP. So unless Obama will pull a veto on this as way to gain votes in the future election this will pass.

    I wonder how they will enforce it though. Putting people to jail for downloading porn like prisons and funds that keep the prisoners fed are limitless ? Or fining every person who has something copyrighted on his PC with unimaginably high fines ? Or will this be as effective as the UK loliban that no one cares about ? Will murrikans riot ? Will EU pick up this stupidity ?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:35 No.58461174
    >>58460356
    I doubt it. Content industry has their hands deep inside your politicians pockets. That goes for both your parties.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461187
    If the bill passes funimation tell your isp to make typing in nyaa.eu to your browser not connect to the server's IP. In all likelihood you will be able to type in the IP and connect anyways. If that is covered by the bill you can use a european DNS server.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461193
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    GUYS , YOU'RE ALL FUCKING RETARDED.

    CONTENT IS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE. THEY COULD TAKE THEM DOWN FROM THE DNS LEVEL, MEANING YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE PAGE EVEN IF IT'S IN EUROPE BECAUSE ALMOST ALL THE FUCKING DNS SERVERS ARE ON MURRKA.

    BUT LET'S BE HONEST, THE GUBBMINT DOESN'T HAVE 1 BILLION MONKEYS THAT WILL BLOCK EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SITE ON THE INTERNET, RETARDS.

    YOU'RE ALL FUCKING STUPID.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461200
    >>58461099
    But will they say that when Hollywood starts throwing lots of money at them?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461210
    if by "go down" you mean that it will be blocked in ammeriland, then yes
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461222
    Sorry if I am totally off base as I haven't been following it that carefully.

    This is just the committee vote right? I mean it doesn't become law if this passes tonight.

    Back in civilized days, it was common for pols to vote to move a bill out of committee even if they didn't like the legislation and wouldn't vote for it on the floor. That is, the days before ultrapartisanship meant waging total war on legislation you don't like every step of the way.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461236
    >>58460356
    see
    >>58460124
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:36 No.58461237
    >>58461001
    Considering that over here the first thing presidents do after election is meet with the local USA ambassador to receive instructions, I'd say 'influences' is too light a word.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:37 No.58461241
    >>58461187
    It's not just a DNS filter, it's an IP ban.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:38 No.58461304
    >>58460356
    Obama never swore to veto it, I have no idea where you're getting that from, so at least post a source.

    You're probably thinking of NDAA, in which case he rescinded that statement.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:39 No.58461336
    We'll find some way to pirate our shit.

    Short term, not much will happen.
    Long term we will adapt. Somehow.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:40 No.58461364
    Obama has to veto this shit. His votes come from younger people who wouldn't be happy with this.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:40 No.58461388
    Australia tried to do some shit like this.

    I don't even know what happened to it, I just know that I'm not censored from anything.

    If that bill passes, then surely, you Murrikans are the dumbest people on Earth.

    Land of the free, that's what you guys call your country right?
    >> Pepper !!E/koaBWVoiD 12/15/11(Thu)18:41 No.58461416
    We had our differences Amurricans, but I still would like to discuss animu with you guys...
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:41 No.58461420
    >Euro VPN
    >Fuck the police
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:41 No.58461427
    >>58461193
    >MEANING YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE PAGE EVEN IF IT'S IN EUROPE BECAUSE ALMOST ALL THE FUCKING DNS SERVERS ARE ON MURRKA

    I don't think you understand how DNS works.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:41 No.58461439
    feels good to be europe for once
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:42 No.58461452
    >>58461388
    The citizens don't get a say in this. But the Supreme Court will, and it is as unconstitutional as soldier quartering.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:43 No.58461509
    >>58461364
    Obama doesn't have to do shit and is an industry shill. His entire administration is filled with RIAA and MPAA members that he personally appointed.

    You actually think he gives a shit what some teens and twenty year olds think?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:43 No.58461517
    >>58461193
    >most dns server in murrika
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:44 No.58461557
    So I guess we should all learn to use tor before 4chan goes down
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:45 No.58461598
    >>58461557
    >implying it wont be moved to glorious canadian servers
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:46 No.58461605
    NO I CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER FUCKING EXTERNAL HD TO DOUBLE ARCHIVE MY ANIME
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:46 No.58461608
    >>58461557
    The Tor network wouldn't be able to support the strain something like that would place on it, there aren't nearly enough end-nodes. You are also forgetting that all of the end-nodes in the US would cease functioning for that purpose.
    >> Pepper !!E/koaBWVoiD 12/15/11(Thu)18:46 No.58461617
    >>58461509
    If he wants his position he should care.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:47 No.58461636
    >>58461364
    The president can be bribed. Your only chance is the supreme court.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:47 No.58461685
    >>58461598
    It doesn't matter where it's moved to, they're talking about both a DNS and an IP ban for the "rogue websites"
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:49 No.58461731
    >>58460350
    one thing..Czechoslovakia does not exist for a few years
    its Czech Republic and Slovakia now
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:49 No.58461734
    Holy shit, the bill isn't even out of committee. It's like you guys don't even understand how your own government works.

    Oh wait, you don't.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:50 No.58461795
    >>58461734
    If you're such an expert on the United States Government, tell us what you know and I might just pull my dick out of your ass.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:50 No.58461798
    >>58461452

    That's part of my point. What is democracy when it's citizens don't even have a say in something as important as this?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:51 No.58461853
    >>58461734
    If you've been watching the stream, you'd know that it is absolutely going to make it through committee.

    There aren't many opponents in the full House and Senate, so it would be likely it could get passed there too.

    It's a pretty good idea to discuss these things when it's as major of an issue as this.
    >> Pepper !!E/koaBWVoiD 12/15/11(Thu)18:52 No.58461868
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    >>58461734
    Doesn't change the fact that the people there don't understand SHIT.

    It's cringeworthy in how they are discussing a such important topic they have zero clues about.

    Corporations.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:52 No.58461873
    >>58461798
    Democracy is a lie.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:53 No.58461904
    >>58461798
    The US isn't a democracy. It's a constitutionally limited republic. Big difference.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:54 No.58461945
    >>58459912
    >If that bill pases, the internet will be shot down.

    If the bill passes the U.S. loses whatever domination it has over the Internet. The EU will become Internet HQ.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:56 No.58462064
    >>58461945

    Reddit and /b/ are joining forces to march around with Fawkes Masks and rioting. Wow, a bill that can make two opposing factions join forces.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:57 No.58462073
    >>58461853
    Getting through committee isn't really all that hard. As you've probably seen today, committee is a retarded place and half the time it's just there for show. There are only a handful of committees that actually matter, and this isn't one of them.

    It'll get torn to pieces once it actually gets out on the floor. I doubt it will make it out of the house, and clearing the house is pretty easy.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:57 No.58462083
    Worst case scenario, I get well-rounded interests again.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)18:57 No.58462116
    >>58462064
    Well that's it, we're fucking saved.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:00 No.58462254
    Everyone else but the US will be able to use it. It would still exist but it would be marginally different as most of the traffic on the site consists of Ameriweeaboos.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:01 No.58462295
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    Let's think about this.

    Anonymous can no longer pirate his animu and mango.
    He starts taking his studies seriously again.
    Gets a job.
    Helps the economy instead of wasting his life away in front of the computer.

    Isn't this a good thing?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:01 No.58462305
    >>58462064
    The bill pisses me off, but honestly I'm not sure the U.S. losing some of it's super power swagger wouldn't be a bad thing.

    The politicians in office seem to have a bloated idea of how much control they can exert over the Internet. This would be the straw that breaks the Camel's back as it were.

    This law gets passed and things will get relocated over in Europe so fast you won't even notice site downtime.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:02 No.58462334
    >>58462295
    not at all! think about all the real people you'll have to confront
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:03 No.58462386
    >>58462334
    >nearly 2012
    >using exclamation marks
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:04 No.58462450
    >>58462295
    Anonymous can no longer pirate his animu and mango.
    He loses his emotions completely since anime is the only thing that makes him smile or cry.
    He starts thinking his life doesn't have a purpose, os he thinks "hey, why not go out with a flash" and goes out to kill people.
    Around 1000 people around the world die leaving letters to some /a/ person, the mistery is never explained.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:05 No.58462457
    Are you guys not running your own DNS resolvers and relying on your ISP's?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:06 No.58462497
    >>58462457
    You are stupid, this is not just a DNS block. It's also a full IP ban.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:06 No.58462531
    >anonymous loses his internets
    >not really any reason to keep on going
    >join NCR
    >fight Bob Page
    >agree with France that it was a mistake giving the Statue of Liberty to the United States
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:09 No.58462619
    So what if shit really does get blocked? You think there'll be neckbeard terrorists pulling Columbines?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:10 No.58462662
    >>58462531
    >has a barechested fist fight with Obama on the observation deck on the statue of liberty during a thunderstorm
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:10 No.58462669
    >>58460142
    Until other countries follows suit and implements equivalent laws that basically give the same rights for other regions.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:10 No.58462682
    >>58462450
    >Anonymous can no longer pirate his animu and mango.

    You mean
    >I go back to using IRC to download everything while covering my tracks with TOR
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:11 No.58462698
    I just saw a pro-SOPA commercial, shit was damn near propaganda. They're trying to convince people that, because you download music, Chinese people are making fake medicine to kill your grandma.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:11 No.58462716
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    >>58462662
    >> One-Way Road !!jSJPKdiAVEm 12/15/11(Thu)19:11 No.58462719
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    >That feel when Obama has said like five times he's vetoing the fuck out of this bill if it gets past congress.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:11 No.58462723
    >>58462698
    WHY ARE YOU DESTROYING AMERICAN JOBS BY DOWNLOADING JAPANESE ANIMU
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:12 No.58462734
    >>58462682
    Interestingly enough, SOPA would more than likely be able to shut down IRC networks because of that.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:12 No.58462747
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    >>58462698
    That's horrifying.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:12 No.58462751
    >MFW I am torrenting right now
    If you assholes want to take away the one reason I am still alive, go ahead, I honestly don't care at this point. If it wasn't for being able to watch my shitty chinese cartoons, I'd have blown my brains out years ago.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:12 No.58462755
    >yfw crunchyroll really does destroy fansubbing
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:12 No.58462756
    >>58462698
    Oh god, I need to see this.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:13 No.58462784
    >>58462619
    It won't get blocked, and faggots on /a/ will still be too beta to try it. Besides, if absolute worst came to worse, though it's unpalatable, there's the option of legal streaming on CR.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:14 No.58462826
    >>58462756
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmuloOdzrU
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:14 No.58462829
    >>58462698
    I don't intend to sound ignorant, but what the fuck is this medicine shit they keep talking about? How are piracy and fake medicines related?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:14 No.58462831
    >>58462784
    b-but my mangos ;_;
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:14 No.58462836
    >>58462669
    To be fair, passing that shit on to other countries can only go so far till all of its opponents are concentrated in the places that haven't gone full retard yet.

    Essentially if that kind of shit happens, there will be mass migrations of both people and corporations, and nobody in any government will be that stupid to risk the latter.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:15 No.58462852
    From what I understand, it will just be blocked in the US.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:15 No.58462853
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    I live in Sweden so this act wouldn't affect my animu habits.

    But I'd feel for you guys if you lost and this shit passed. Also, it'd set an example for similar things over here.

    Oh, and I checked out the commercial on Youtube.
    >mfw
    What the fuck is happening to America.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:15 No.58462870
    >>58462734
    >shut down IRC networks

    Nigga please
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:15 No.58462871
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    >>58462826
    >a player within a player
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:16 No.58462886
    Well, here's the good news /a/. If it does pass, you won't be the one they are coming after at first, so you have time to cover your tracks. They're gonna go after kingpins in the first days of it being a law to gain public confidence.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:16 No.58462889
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    >Amerifags shit on the EU for making lolianimu illegal
    >USA passes bill that wont make them able to even download anime
    >My face
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:17 No.58462921
    >>58462751
    I can safely say, if this bill passes, I am just killing myself.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:17 No.58462932
    >>58462886
    Just long enough to ditch this habit.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:17 No.58462948
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    Why are they doing this to us...? I just want to be able to watch my incest animu and mango in peace ;_;
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:18 No.58462957
    >>58462870
    Well obviously it wont shut them down, but they would be IP banned in the US just like the rest of the things.

    In the end, you'll pretty much need an overseas VPN.

    >>58462921
    ;_; noo
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:18 No.58462973
    >>58460229
    >=(
    Get out.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:18 No.58462984
    IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING KILLING YOURSELF BECAUSE OF SOPA

    Make it count. Go to Washington. Self Immolation is the best way to make a point and cause change. You can be a martyr instead of a simple an hero.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:19 No.58462987
    >>58462889
    Your average American is unaware of a bill until, really, it becomes a law. Shit, people even remained unaware of "Obamacare" which was talked about 24/7 on every news channel.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:20 No.58463022
    >>58462921
    >killing yourself over a bill that won't do shit
    Just do it now. You're only looking for an excuse at this point.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:20 No.58463035
    I'll just watch french subs , at least it won't be a totally useless language anymore.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:20 No.58463054
    >>58462886

    They're not going to "go after" any casual downloaders from /a/. The resources needed for that would be immense. They'll only be going after the websites themselves.

    That said, they might decide to make an example out of some poor fuckers who downloaded one too many torrents, but the majority of /a/ should be safe.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:21 No.58463065
    >>58462734
    You're a retard.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:21 No.58463070
    >>58462957
    >noo
    Most of us will. Sure we joke around about being otaku, but some of us really do have that otaku-esque "my entire self is defined by one hobby" and that hobby being taken away is just end game for life.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:22 No.58463108
    >>58463070
    It's not being taken away. No one gives a fuck whether you download chinese cartoons.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:22 No.58463111
    >>58460229
    You don't even need trackers these days, DHT will still function just fine. The problem is really with legitimate websites (i.e. 4chan) being shut down and it being abused for other purposes.

    It will do nothing to curb piracy.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:22 No.58463115
    Anyone remember when the cops started arresting people for downloading one song off of Napster and shit? I am gearing up for Napster 2.0.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:22 No.58463129
    >>58463070
    Bro.

    LEARN TO USE IRC.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:22 No.58463131
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    >>58462987
    You're serious about this? Fuck, why do my government take such a big influence from your piece of shit country?

    I fucking swear that USA will end life on earth some day. if it doesnt collapse into civil war before that.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:23 No.58463162
    >>58463054

    this is the same mentality that allowed the bill to pass in the first place

    "oh it won't affect me or you, probably, we don't really have to worry"

    yeah man, wishing the bill to fail totally worked, we can just sit around doing nothing, because wishing for stuff to happen in our basements is totally making a difference
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:23 No.58463171
    The truth is this law wont pass for a while, and enforcing it will take more time.

    DNS level blacklisting isnt that much of a problem, you can go to websites by just typing in their IP address.

    The problem is when ISP are forced to have a blacklist to websites, then even if you have an address, you wont be able to see it.

    You're going to have to use proxies, or use mirror sites or go darknet.

    Me, I'm buying a 1tb hd, downloading my favorite anime and mango , and preparing for the worst.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:24 No.58463183
    >>58463070
    >Hurr durr I'm too retarded to use IRC and I'm trying to get attention

    Just kill yourself now.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:24 No.58463210
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    >mfw Mediafire, Fileserve and Megaupload are the first casualties

    Fucking dicks.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:25 No.58463251
    Good thing I live in sweden, the bill won't pass anyway.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:25 No.58463259
    >>58463162
    This bill is actually a good thing. You can get around the censorship provided you aren't a retard, which means less retards on the internet overall.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:26 No.58463280
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    >>58463210
    >Mediafire
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:26 No.58463281
    Why is everyone so retarded naive and dumb? You can't access most addresses by IP address (try with 4chan http://199.27.135.243/ ), you have to edit your hosts file, which most people won't understand or will fuck up.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:26 No.58463305
    >>58463281
    IP ban.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:28 No.58463372
    >>58463065
    >>58462870

    You guys act like it's absurd, but connecting through IRC goes through the same resolution protocol as the rest of the internet. All they will have to do is add those IP addresses to the giant ACL that will have been created and no more connecting to rizon for you unless you SSH/VPN/whatever to a server overseas.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:28 No.58463382
    So, how long until we get a law that monitors every action online?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:28 No.58463383
    >>58463162

    Huh? I'm totally against this bill dude, but there's not much I can do about it. I don't even live in America.

    It will be a total disaster if this goes through, all I'm saying is that they're unlikely to go after individual downloaders.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:29 No.58463426
    >>58460015
    >Can't they just move servers to Europe?

    You forget that the ACTA Treaty is what is driving these bills to be made. The treaty requires signatories to modify, delete, or make new laws in order to perform all the minimum requirements specified by ACTA. The interpretation of how to do it is left up to each individual country. Obviously, liberal countries will have more allowance for people's rights and conservative countries will give business' rights more precedence over individual rights.

    Some items in the USA Fair Use contradict ACTA, but until someone gets prosecuted AND pays for the side case to be appealed, those contradictions will remain. The businesses prefer not challenge it since by making the pirate defendant have to pay for the extra appeal to clear up the contradiction, the defendant runs out of money and will simply surrender instead of appealing.

    ACTA requires blocking of known violator sites which means ISP backbone routers will drop data packets to or from the violators. While you can still exist in a non-signatory country, the chances of your packets going thru a router of an ACTA country is high (usa, japan, australia, european union, morrocco). Morrocco is a nice move since all the major comm lines in south africa go up along that coast.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:29 No.58463445
    >>58463372
    There's a big difference between shutting down IRC networks and blocking them.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:30 No.58463479
    >>You'll have to pay for music and movies, like it always been
    >>THE INTERNET IS DEAD

    yeah right...
    it wont affect me the slightest because I have a job and money to spend on my hobbies
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:31 No.58463495
    >>58463445
    Of course, I definitely used the wrong word there. However, I meant that it wouldn't be as simple as "Hurr durr guess I'mma just get errthing from XDCC from now on"
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:32 No.58463547
    >>58463479
    Except for all that anime, manga, vidya, etc. that will never, ever be licensed outside Japan, so it has to be fansubbed,
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:32 No.58463561
    >>58463479
    >You'll have to pay for music and movies
    But that's wrong, you retard.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:33 No.58463595
    >>58463281
    Everyone with half a brain for internet knowledge knows this. What worries people is that the SOPA bill also wants to pass a law that mandates ISPs to introduce an IP address level block. If you type in 4chan's IP address and it's in the blacklist, the ISP wont allow you to resolve and connect.

    Ironically, what the blacklist wont stop is pirates, since pirates can just pop up mirror sites without blocked addresses!
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:34 No.58463602
    >>58463479
    Well you won't be posting about them on 4chan or anything similar.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:35 No.58463657
    >>58463426
    Wait, ACTA happened?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:36 No.58463675
    >>58463479
    I buy too, but mostly everything I own, I downloaded first. If I download it and like it, I buy it, if not I delete it or have it rot in a HDD for an eternity, never to be touched again.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:36 No.58463691
    >>58463495
    It wouldn't be as simple as just hopping onto IRC if they decide to start blocking networks, but then we'll just start using VPNs and proxies like you said.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:36 No.58463694
    >>58463602
    like if it's bad thing
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:37 No.58463715
    >>58463602
    That's the problem.
    4chan is outlaw central. We have torrent forums, rapidshare forums, request forums and completely irresponsable and anonymous posting.

    4chan is a mine of copyright infringement. Moot will either be forced to take it down, or change it in a way that nobody will want to use it.

    I'm not joking when I tell my friends that is SOPA passes, these are the last days of the internet as we know it.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:38 No.58463741
    >>58463479
    Well I hope you like Reddi-

    Oh wait this will kill Reddit too

    Well I hope you like Youtub-

    Oh wait this will kill Youtube

    Well I hope you like Somethingawf-

    Oh wait this will kill that one

    I hope you like official, corporation hosted forums I guess. Because nothing else is safe.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:39 No.58463797
    >>58463741
    Something Awful will survive.
    They have heavily moderated forums.They might have to trim the site a bit, but they'll thrive. Unlike 4chan, that's basically the wild west.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:39 No.58463798
    >>58463691
    I don't think they'll be thorough enough to try and block IRC for a long time anyways. It's too removed from the casual pirate
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:40 No.58463821
    >>58463741
    To be fair, something awful would probably survive. The only forum that openly allows infringement is ADTRW and that's only if it's unlicensed anime in the US.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:40 No.58463844
    >>58463741
    Back the fuck up, SA isn't already dead?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:40 No.58463860
    >>58463797
    They'll get taken down more than your grandmother trying to play soccer. All it takes is one guy posting a link and one guy reporting it.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:42 No.58463923
    >>58463844
    On the contrary, when SOPA passes, websites with heavy moderation like Something Awful will become the BIG places again.

    Youtube will either become heavily moderated and thus useless, so it will die.

    Facebook.........I dont know. they have a lot of pull.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:42 No.58463944
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    >>58462719

    A veto doesn't mean shit, Congress can override a presidential veto.

    Also, Obama is as much a corporate tool as any other.

    Goddammit, learn a fucking thing or two about your government.

    I think it's time for the GREAT AGE OF PIRATES to begin, boys.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:43 No.58463951
    >>58462669
    >live in mexico
    >is shit
    >people here don't give half a cunt suck about piracy
    >10MB internet for 30 bucks
    it aint that bad
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:43 No.58463954
    >>58463844
    Nope. They actually have a decent anime forum too (albeit slow)

    Doesn't have shit waifu threads or pedophilia either.
    >> Bitches & !Whores/8sg 12/15/11(Thu)19:43 No.58463956
    what they should be doing first before making new copyright laws is redefining fair use

    because currently if you claim fair use on something the copyright holder can basically say "nope" and the courts will side with them

    fair use is an integral part of copyright law and its just not up to scratch. this bill, and many other proposed bills that bypass courts, undermine it completely

    the vast majority of images posted on 4chan are copyright infringing, but are legal thanks to fair use
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:44 No.58464024
    >>58463923
    Facebook is fucked unless Zuckerberg just hands it over to corporations. 99.9% of what is on Facebook is copyrighted shit. Think of how many 12 year olds would be in jail for having song lyrics in their status update.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:45 No.58464055
    >>58462064
    >and rioting
    But that would be bad for us.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:46 No.58464101
    >>58463944
    Son, you aint kidding.
    I know some dudes who are like "Welcome to the next great age of piracy!"

    All the government is doing is forcing the pirates to become more technically specialized and skilled. in the future, I foresee large speakeasy-style pubs with wireless internet and tons of stuff available for download.You sit down, have a mojito , relax. finish your download, and leave.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:46 No.58464104
    >>58463954

    >decent anime forum
    >doesn't have waifu threads or pedophilia
    Pick one.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:46 No.58464108
    >>58463951
    You do live in Mexico, though.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:46 No.58464120
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    >>58463956

    Actually, copyright is bullshit in it's entirety right now, and is way, way too long.

    Copyright should be axed to 10-20 years or something, with no chance of renewal, before it becomes public domain.

    Copyright wasn't supposed to be an infinite money-printing machine for the jews, but lookey lookey.

    Maybe if companies weren't able to milk the fuck out of decades-old franchises to make new profit, we'd actually see some progress.

    Anything that limits the flow of information is bad.

    Damn the patriots.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:47 No.58464147
    >>58463944
    Overrides rarely happen, it's too much of a hassle.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:49 No.58464233
    >>58463944
    I still agree with people who say he's gonna veto it. That man has to do everything in his power to get re-elected.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:49 No.58464258
    >>58464108
    >implying
    just shut up, you don't know shit
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:49 No.58464263
    >>58464024
    No one gives a fuck about shit like that.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:50 No.58464277
    >>58464024
    >Think of how many 12 year olds would be in jail for having song lyrics in their status update.
    I think that's exaggerating it a bit too much. They will have to deal with angry soccer moms who can get very vocal.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:50 No.58464291
    >>58462719
    Obama is publically in favor of ACTA. Haven't you noticed that Obama is very republican when it comes to business rights? He's very right wing as a democrat.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:52 No.58464380
    So, is SOPA the beginning of the "The Great Pirate Era"?

    The Darknet the Grand Line?

    What's the One Piece?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:53 No.58464428
    USA sucks.

    Are they going to control how much air I breath, or how much sunlight I can absorb?

    Democracy my ass. Why is USA so backwards?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:53 No.58464442
    >>58464291
    Democrats are right wing. Republicans are just further to the right.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:54 No.58464450
    >>58464428
    because imperial system.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:54 No.58464469
    >>58464428
    It's full of old people who elect shit politicians and corporations who support them.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:54 No.58464473
    >>58464428
    > sunlight I can absorb?
    Are you a plant?
    >> undine 12/15/11(Thu)19:54 No.58464474
    >implying big jewish companies care about animu
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:55 No.58464497
    >>58464428

    >USA so backwards

    You act like other nations haven't done things just as bad, if not worse.

    And Europe is all for censorship, and policing the internet, save a few outliers.

    But, I agree-fuck legislation, stop telling me what I can and cannot do.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:55 No.58464498
    >>58464473

    humans absorb sunlight too.

    Absorb too much we get skin cancer. Absorb none and we become pale as fuck.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:55 No.58464501
    >>58464277
    The point is, it's a very gray zone as to what is and isn't copyright infringement. There's nothing really stopping someone from saying "I sing...." videos on Youtube are copyright infringement.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:56 No.58464541
    >>58464147

    It can't be too much of a hassle when the media industry starts shitting money over the Senate and the House.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:56 No.58464565
    >>58464501
    They are.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:57 No.58464602
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    >>58460142
    >filename
    MY SIDES
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:58 No.58464637
    My main problem with this whole thing is, shit like this has been going on forever, but it's only recently people have noticed. Say what you will about the founding of the USA, but its main attraction was the transparency of government. Nowadays though, people think just because it's transparent, that means they won't do shady shit. If nobody is watching, they'll do whatever the fuck they want.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)19:58 No.58464638
    >>58464565
    Q.E.D.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/11(Thu)20:00 No.58464741
    I have a hard time thinking that anime companies are going to actively go after anime boards and such. All that's going to do is make everyone completely hate them. It'll be like how they've dealt with fansubs for all these years.



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