Yea man I agree, Twilight is so much better than romantic shit.

I try to avoid reading things written by women.

Women are neither better nor worse at writing than men are. The authors you mentioned are good writers because they know how to write characters, not because they are women.

OP is a cunt and nothing he said is exclusive to manga written by women

>>57955864
This.

If there's any one thing women are better at writing, it's smut. The weirder the better.

Why are you trying to start shit?

>>57955753
Twilight is written by a woman for girls. Whenever someone panders to their own gender, things never go right.

>>57955903
FatalPulse and xration can attest to that.

obvious fujoshi is obvious

Why are you cherrypicking? Why does gender matter?

Because half the time when i read anything written by a woman somebody always gets NTR'd

>>57955864
Wow.....so this place IS different than /v/

>>57955935

Isn't the real problem how it's an exposition on lolmormon morals? because if you take the lolnosexuntilmarriage it's basically your average shojo. (nvm that, irc shojos go in the sex-as-marriage-reward route, right?)

>Nodame Cantabile
>Male tsundere

>>57955902
Feel free to name some good romances/romance subplots written by men, then.

If Love Hina is the first title to come to your mind, you should probably just stop now.

>>57955864

Yeah, seriously, this.

Having a dick or having a cunt doesn't make you good at writing, being good at writing makes you good at writing. Stop fucking confusing correlation with causality. OP isn't a faggot, OP is a fucking moron

>>57955935
Nodame Cantabile is jousei

Well, Toradora was written by a woman, and it IS the greatest love story ever told, so...

Aww yeah Kaoru Mori.

>Why are women so much better at writing romance than men are?
What kind of retarded question is that

it's like asking why the director of Transformers was a man

They can also write the craziest shit
>Yomeiro Choice
and create the craziest characters
>Rance

>>57955987
Don't forget the always popular tragic rape as backstory!

truly there is no real difference between Male and Female mangakas

they tend to have the same stupid habits

>>57956112
Oh, and KnJ is written by a woman too...

>>57956066

Hm the ones that come to mind are: LoGH, Eve no Jikan, tokikake.

>>57956112
>Rance was written by a woman

holy shit my mind

>>57956112
yome iro choice is written by a woma-

WHAT

>>57955953
It matters because men invariably write male characters as self-inserts most of the time, which translates into

* beta otaku type characters
* women falling in love with male lead for no reason
* haremshit
* Japanese salary man becoming action hero

and so forth. Some of us like to have a reason for the female characters falling in love with the men.

>>57956024
Nah.
Twilight is a deep piece about relationships of passive-aggressive people of the modern world.
Look closer - Absolutely everyone is passive aggressive to everyone and thus everyone gets abused by everyone.
Yet they tolerate each other, because they never show their conflict openly.

>>57956178
Rance was DESIGNED by a woman.

>>57955864
>Women are neither better nor worse at writing than men are.
Number of male writers in the literary canon:

Number of female writers in the literary canon:

QED.

>OP forgot about dorohedoro
The only decent female mangaka
come at me niggers

>Women writing good romance

>>57956236
But that was a doujin!
;_;

>>57956205
No, Tori is a writer. Orion is the character designer of the series. Tori is a woman. She wrote Rance's character.

>>57956186

>implying women can't and don't do the same

>>57956076
>men and women have the same culture
>men and women think the same way
>person writing towards their own "group" will write the same when writing towards a different "group"

>>57956195

You could say the same about paranoia-agent and neither of them would be defined by that aspect (passive-aggresive relationships), your reason for calling it deep is generic at best.

>>57956215
Number of good female writers: 1 (Stephenie Meyer)

Number of good male writers: 0

>>57956254
No, fuck you, Ko-chan. You're beta as fuck, and should have tapped that Glasses-girl's ass.

>>57956186
YOMEIRO CHOICE WAS WRITTEN BY A WOMAN

>Doi Sakazaki writes one of the hottest pregnancy doujins on the planet
>spends most of her time dicking around with Yomerio Choice

Goddammit.

>Shonen by women
>good

...

>>57956066

Crazy, Stupid, Love
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1570728/

Writers, directors, all fucking dudes.

>>57956186

I think you need to read GE - Good Ending.

It's everything you just listed and it's written by a woman.

>>57956252

They don't, that's why /a/'s collective beta dick has no girl. and only wifus

>>57956250
I'm still fucking surprised. How the heck can a woman create a character like Rance? Is she a closet masochist or something?

>>57956266
Yeah, but Twilight has Passive Aggressive wh40k Space Marines ON TERRA. (Seriously - They don't need to sleep, have better senses, the transformation is painful, they are better than humans in every regard and have/need to have superios self-control)
That must count for something.

Go read good ending and still tell me women know how to write a good romance story.

wait working is written by a woman? are you fucking serious? that shit is the lowest of otaku pandering shit, and now I find out its by a woman? MY MIND IF FULL OF FUCK

>>57956307
And the guy was anything but beta. Remember how he'd order around his hot cousin, making her wash his underwear and level up his RPG characters?

>>57956358
Nope, she's just a good writer.
A good writer will write anything, it doesn't matter its gender.

>>57956359

>Passive Aggressive wh40k Space Marines ON TERRA

isn't to early to be trolling at these hours, anon?

>>57956358
Do you not know anything about women? They're attracted to confidence, dominance, slight sexism, and male promiscuity.

>>57956217
>>57956217
>>57956217
>>57956217
This.

>>57956367
>implying GE is not transparent otaku pandering

>>57956397
Except he was, he just took advantage of her being nice.

>>57956331
is that an NTR manga?
if so, please provide the sauce

Because men that are good at romance don't waste time writing manga.

>>57956430
I'm not trolling. I'm just openly telling everyone the truth - Space Marines are just as Grimderp as Twilight Vampires, except that they don't sparkle.

I agree with you that Working!!, which is primarily a comedy, has better romance than most shows that are supposed to be only about romance.

But being a woman doesn't automatically make better at writing/drawing romance. See Usagi Drop.

>>57956236
Woody Allen: The Manga

>>57956452
>is that an NTR manga?

sort of. Sauce is Good Pregnant wife

There are decent mangaka that are both male and female, I don't see OP's point. It doesn't matter what the gender is. A good writer is a good writer, same for artists.

Look at the entire romance genre and tell me women write good romance.

>>57956559
Cut all the false equivalency shit out.

Women consistently write better romance in shounen and seinen than men do.

Makes me curious. Are there any good romance mangas that were written by men?

>>57956448
>otaku pandering
>Implying otaku feel like raging all day every day.

Used Goods, retarded break ups, and stupid female characters everywhere.

>>57956448
Maybe pandering to people with an NTR fetish, ever girl the MC goes after is used goods who dumps him for the stupidest reasons.

I like unrealistic and fantastical romance, women usually deliver horrible drama. That's why I don't fucking want a 3D slut.

>>57956592
Solanin

>>57956571
You'll find that the amount of good romances by women STILL outnumber the amount of good romances by men, even with all the shoujoshit out there.

>>57955697

>Why are women so much better at writing romance than men are?

>shounen and seinen

>Working and FMA as examples.

Are you fucking serious?

>>57956592
Bakemonogatari

>>57956639
>the amount
Well, duh. May be because they write MORE romances? If they write more, obviously there's going to be more good romance.
Now, what we need to know is the % of good romances, on the total amount for each gender.

>>57956609
>>57956613
GE is written for otaku. They can self-insert themselves as the MC and reinforce their "bitches and whores" belief all day.

>>57956652
>manga

>men
>writing romance

wut

other than that, this CLAMPfag has to mostly agree with OP

Men are generally better in everything. Including storytelling.

>>57956639
Maybe because more women tend to write romance or stories with romance as the main focus than men?

>>57956650
romance =/= primarily romance

If a given piece of fiction has any romance in it, you can classify it, in part, as a romance.

>>57956763
>horrible romance.jpg

>>57956630
Bitchy, nagging girlfriend tries to get into boyfriend's band
Boyfriend dies in crash, girl mopes around afterwards

Yeah, that obviously wasn't meant for me.

Still, My Lovely Ghost Kana was good, and I'm pretty sure it was written by a man.

>>57956531
>plain old cheating
fckin boring

I didn't expect /a/ to resist this notion so much.

I take it that, in your opinion, this is the pinnacle of romance writing?

>>57956639
I seriously hope that you are implying that Black Bird is a good romance.

Because it's pure shit.

>>57956587
[citation needed]
Do a study of all the romance works out there and correlate their average rating against gender, then we'll talk. Otherwise, you're just a moron spouting off unproven nonsense.

>>57956186
you know that series of your pic was written by a woman right?

Name a famous romance story. It was written by a man

>Good Ending

Men can write just as shitty.

See: A Town Where You Rage

>>57956836
Then why can we list dozens of good romance written by women, but almost none written by men?

any and all gender-specific writing was proven wrong

you can't really tell when a series is written by a woman or not

>>57956873

>>57956879
I see your A Town Were You Rage and up you Bitter Virgin

>>57956925
But you can, however, know when a story is written by a korean

>>57956809
not the pinnacle
but definitely better than most harems (though that's not saying much)

>>57956960
B-
Well tha-

fuck, you're right.

>>57956925
Yes, you can. Women tend to write better male characters in romance than men do. However, I'd go as far as to say that men write better female characters in romance than women do.

Each sex ends up writing bland self-inserts when they're targeting their work at their own sex.

>>57956960
yeah that is obvious

manhwa action > manga action

manga romance > shit > manhwa romance

The best romance story was written by a man. Check mate.

>>57957014
That's not right.

>people using the word otaku pandering in /a/

Isn't /a/ full of otaku's? Or do people not know what the word means?

Lets turn this into a good Shoujo series to read thread, please?

Because I am having a hard time finding one.

Shoujo series I've read that are worth mentioning:
Lovely Complex
Dengeki Daisy
Cat Street
Kimi Ni Todoke
Ouran
Kare Kano

>>57957014
And what could that be?

>>57956915

Crazy, Stupid, Love http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1570728/
Midnight in Paris http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1605783/
Friends with Benefits http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1632708/
The Rum Diaries http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376136/
The Artist http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1655442/
Love Actually http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314331/
Titanic http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/

All fucking written by men.

>>57957014
The best everything was done by a man.

>>57956915
Maybe because men do not give a shit about "realistic" romance as much.

If you do then you're most probably a woman or a faggot.

Girls Saurus

One of the best gag harem manga in existence.

Sorely underrated.

Courtesy of a female author.

>>57957134
Akagami no Shirayukihime
Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun

>>57957001
>Women tend to write better male characters in romance than men do.
Unrepentant rapists != good male characters

>>57956737
This is an immature way of thinking. Also OP your assumptions are annoying as well. Why do people (men or women) have to walk around and say stupid shit like "men are better at this" or "women are better at that" yet every time they use an example to be proud of it makes no sense? I mean for example even if you are a man and a bunch of men have done these great things guess what. None of those accomplishments belong to you; they belong to the people who have done them. This way of thinking is stupid. So to sit around on the computer, and talk shit about how crappy an entire sex, or race, or group is and then you try to make the group you are from sound great because of a few people with in it you are an ass hole. To every one out there who thinks like this go do something great on your own, and then you can brag. Until then guess what there are great people in all different groups, sexes, and races so just shut up already.

>>57957147
>The Artist http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1655442/


I've read that as The Autist. I really need to get off 4chan.

>>57957001
>Each sex ends up writing bland self-inserts when they're targeting their work at their own sex.

This. Yes, the Dresden Files series is good, but it still suffers from 1st Person Perspective Syndrome.

>>57957162
>Girls Saurus
>Good
how about fucking no.

>>57957191
butthurt woman detected.

Also, tl;dr

>>57957191
Liberal logic.

>>57956915
Love Roma
Hating Girl

>>57957130
No. Otaku are fanboys. Fanboys have horrible taste and don't know what they want.

>>57957162
It was a fun read, that's about it.

>>57957200
>Dresden Files
>good

>>57955864
Pretty much this. Its just that there are more women who attempts to write Romance than men.

The real question is... Is there any yaoi mangas written by men.

>>57957147
>Thinking a movie script is just wrote by one person and not pass by a million hands + producers + directors + actors improvising

And test audience!

>>57957249
> Otaku are fanboys

This board is really going downhill

>>57957274
>yaoi manga
>written by a man

>>57957274
Not manga but, Code Geass

>>57957249
Looks like you don't know what it means either.

>>57957274
Most likely.

On a marginally related note, why are shoujou/josei demographic titles always drawn so similarly? It feels like it's always the same weirdly dis-proportioned, sparkly eyed characters.

>>57957274
Mirai Nikki
Evan-jelly-on

>>57957274
It's bara.
Pretty boys buttfucking each others is only written by females and for females.

>>57957232
You are quite a funny person.

>>57957274
Plenty of hentai.

>>57957186
But women love unrepentant rapists as long as they look good.

>>57957274
It's not yaoi, it's bara, and they're much better than the one written by women

>>57957274
Good question. I'd read a yaoi manga where everybody isn't a fucking bishie boy and instead regular dudes

>>57957274
Boku no Pico.

>>57957281
>>57957147
All of those are terrible romances anyway.

>>57957219
I am a man. Maybe you should act like a man and go do something great rather than assume I am some but hurt woman.

>>57957232
Actually I am more conservative on most issues. I just hate this way of thinking, it is one of the reasons the U.S. is going down the toilet.

Huh.

Why are people using examples of writers outside of nippon when OP was pretty much asking for good shonen/seinen romances?

>>57957274
there are
I'm just not going to find them

>>57957274
Well... no, actually, don't think so. There's some yuri written by males, though, such as Sasameki Koto.

>>57957274
Yes, I knew a couple but mostly the ones I can remember do bara.

Don't know if it counts but most of the TRAP manga is write by males.

>>57955864
this
/thread

>>57957391
I'd read that.

>>57957389
If you enjoy over the top muscle manry men.

I just want normal guys fucking for once.

>Good female romance authors
>No one mentions Sahara Mizu
Why aren't you reading her stuff dammit. ;_;

>>57957281

I have news for you, genius, your chinese cartoons are also written by a crew of people. Even downright novels get passed around like nothing else before publication in today's society (editors, post-editors, QCs, producers, consistency-checks, etc.). Before any finished opus gets to the public's hands, they've all been optimized, so your point is entirely moot.

Stop being 12 and fucking learn something about the real world.

>>57957391
>>57957439
>there will never be a yaoi manga with regular guys

>>57957204
>girls saurus
>not one of the greats

>>57957431
Stop being uneducated. Things aren't all equal just because you want them to be.

>>57956448

>implying latest chapter isn't standard female rejection strategy.

What about Kodomo no Jikan?

>>57957496
Are T&B doujin bara or yaoi?

>>57957361
>>57957389
>>57957391
>>57957421


The author of Hetalia is a male.

He seems to have a thing for traps and reverse!traps

You´re pushing it a lot with FMA, OP. The romance was shit tier.

Also, nice going ommiting Rumiko Takahashi.

You want some good romance written by manly MEN? Check Berserk and Midori´s Days or Saikano

>>57957496
That one OreImo doujin about the best friend getting friendzoned harder than the Fist of the North Star was pretty average on the bishonen scale I thought. I liked it.

>>57957595
>Hetalia
>Yaoi

>>57957547
Lady
I read too many manga to say that gender has any relevancy
some mangakas may make more delicious characters of the opposite sex, but there is no guarantee they are better

>>57957656
Still, it have bishonen fucking everywhere and canon gay characters.

Is pretty fucking close to BL as far as I see.

>>57957274
Men do bara... and I'm not sure if one has ever drawn or written a 'yaoi' series, there's just often blatant homolust in shonen or seinen. But some men do yaoi/gayish fanart and doujins

>>57957617
>Saikano
>Good romance

>>57957547
Not yet, but here at UNI the classes are 10 women to every 1 man. one day most of the world will be run by a majority of women. And most of them will not be white. At least if this trend keep's up.

>>57957558
greatest loli romance ever written