>RGU

You just call it Utena, dumbass.

Because Evangelion is more popular.

Because Utena actually had good writing and takes some thinking to fully understand. Evangelion is not at that level.

>>55975379
Debatable. Really, really debatable.

>>55975379
>takes some thinking to fully understand
It doesn't. Metaphores are either sex or puberty, that's about it.

>>55975344
Because in Utena, the symbolism means something while in Eva it's just there to look cool.

because like FLCL everyone is able to decipher the symbolism

subtly =/= incoherence

>>55975418
Yeah, but Eva has more than imagery, it's also got the whole Freudian thing going for it, which DOES mean something.

I'm not arguing that Eva is absurdly deep 'cause it's got Freud - I'm arguing that it can't be the reason that Utena is better, because they both mean things, even if certain imagery in Eva is just for flavor.

>>55975446
though Eva's symbolism wasn't as incoherent as it was false

They're the same level. The only difference is that Eva is primarily aimed at boys and Utena is primarily aimed at girls.

>>55975378
this is the only real answer

>>55975418
>Utena
>symbolism isn't just there to look cool

>>55975479
Except it doesn't mean anything. Anno agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>55975512
Referring to the judeochristian imaginery.
>inb4 that retarted pic about the title
Because it was for grade schoolers.

the real question

which one is the sexiest

Kaworu or Akio?

>>55975344
The religious symbolism is meaningless, not the Freudian ideas, last I checked. They pretty much based the show around that, so even if they weren't intending a point through it, that does not make it meaningless - it goes a long way towards categorizing and analyzing the relationships present in the show.

>>55975344
Nobody said that, OP.

Utena General?

>>55975558
It's shota vs mature man
I'll go with the shota for this.

Because utena is hipster trash.
It's not better than evangelion.

>>55975558
As a straight male, I have to say that this question has opened my eyes to the possibilities of gayness.

90s anime fanbase drama? How deliciously absurd!

>>55975558
Kaworu has that quiet, boyish charm about him, but I bet Akio fucks like a tiger.

>>55975558
Kaworu.
He only gets one episode and the world is gay for him

I didn't like NGE, but I loved Utena, and beyond that I don't really give a fuck.

My face will fucking explode if Penguindrum is revealed to be the world Utena left for.

>>55975565
>>55975544
>freudian ideas
>meaning anything
>useful for analyzing characters
[10bit]nope.mkv

>Evangelion
>outdated freudian theories that no modern psychologist takes seriously
>fake symbolism
Why is this considered good again?

Evangelion had no meaning or even no deliberate aim behind its inclusion of Christian themes and iconography, other than to include something foreign in an effort to stand out. Even Anno stated that if they knew Evangelion would go global, they wouldn't have done it.

Utena was very deliberate behind its themes, characters, and story direction.

>Freud

Disproven for a while now - but the Japanese still love his stuff. (See: Garden of Sinners)

>>55975624
Get out Dejap devs.

>>55975659
16 years of circlejerking, that's why.

so the prologue of Utena ask the question "is being a knight want Utena wants"

so that was the point of Utena she has a childhood dream "being a knight" however adulthood gets in the way of that dream

throughout the series she is able to hang on to that dream despite the troubles growing up provides

until the biggest obstacle of adulthood shows up Akio who symbolizes sex

>>55975624
>>55975672

You just made me remember how I loved that Tales of Phantasia translation

>>55975344
Of course no one takes it seriously as a psychological theory, it's still a great tool for literary references. Seriously, check most serious-business animu - Freud's in that shit somewhere.

>>55975648
>My face will fucking explode if Penguindrum is revealed to be the world Utena left for.

If you read the interviews with Ikuhara, you'll find he's just Anno with a sense of humor.

>>55975410
>metaphors
I was talking about the characters, actually. I didn't pay attention to any of the symbolism in Utena.

>Utena
>NGE
>deep

metaphors and psychology 101.

because turning into a car is really deep.

>>55975659
Because irrespective of the validity of Freud's theories, Freudean symbolism is a language understood by educated readers. It's like saying atheists can't into religious symbolism.

>>55975591
ah, Utena isn't hipster. Hipsters love things that are underground or unknown. Utena is fairly well known amongst anime fans.

Who else here thinks that the only people who criticize shows as being DEEP are the ones who either don't get it, or are the ones who don't want their shows to make them think?

>>55975756

They've got serious issues with subtlety. What we would call pretentious, they would call Shakesperean.

>>55975788

Wait...the crystal princess comes from the end of destiny or whatever - what if the crystal princess is Utena?

>>55975344
Who are "they" in this? The anime creators?

>>55975873
The ones calling them DEEP do get it, and find it lacking. The people who defend shows like this are the idiots who didn't understand it, and thus think it's deep. It isn't, you're just retarded,

>>55975379
No. Just, no.

>>55975418
>Utena
>Symbolism
And badly done symbolism at that.

>>55975558
Eww.

>>55975873
It's just you.

the thing about Utena and Eva is that /a/ doesn't really care how DEEP it is

go to any Eva and Utena thread and you'll notice that they never talk about how DEEP Eva and Utena (especially not Eva)

the exception is thread about some faggot making a thread about "durr hurr u call Eva DEEP but it isn't"

If the symbolism in Utena does actually mean something,someone explain to me what all the shit in the student council scenes meant.

>>55975873
>don't want their shows to make them think

Sadly, that's a fair amount of people.

>>55976070
who uses "eww" anymore

>>55975344
Disagree. I feel I understand shows and defend them from people saying they're lacking or DEEP.

Besides, the people that criticize shows for being DEEP generally don't like them, so they wouldn't take time to try to understand them. So I'd think that your theory here is wrong.

>>55976070
You're obviously just buttmad that you didn't understand it.

>>55976113
I haven't seen all of Utena, and all I know of the symbolism I heard from a friend. But apparently the dude who keeps using the stop watch is timing time itself, and the thing about cracking the shell of the world has to do with some philosopher somewhere. Those bits of information should be enough for you to start searching and figuring stuff out on your own.

Oh, and all the colors mean stuff. Red is power, white is the prince, blue is time, purple is "the witch." Brown is ordinary. Stuff like that.

>Utena
>Evangelion
>Deep
They're both pretentious trash.
If you want something deep go watch GITS.

>>55976263
>Oh, and all the colors mean stuff. Red is power, white is the prince, blue is time, purple is "the witch." Brown is ordinary. Stuff like that.
-_-;

>>55976267
>GITS
>deep
I like GITS and all, but it's not deep in the least.

>>55976192
"buttmad"?

How about no.

>>55976138
Plenty of people. You would know if you actually ventured out into the real world instead of sitting behind a computer trying to "insult" people all day.

>>55976317
Yep, you have one pained anus there, chuckles.

>>55976267
>
>If you want something deep go watch GITS.
This a thousand times. Especially the first movie.

>>55976070
>homolust
>eww

Get out.

>>55976312
What? Is that wrong?

>>55976263
>timing time itself
>some philosopher somewhere
>colors mean random things
Here we have the very definition of DEEP pretentious bullshit.

Define 'deep' and 'DEEP'

protip: you can't.

>>55976399
No, it's symbolism 101, you're just too stupid to understand it and thus lash out and call it pretentious.

>>55976317
that's what they said about "swagger"
but I still think ke$ha has penis

but the point I'm trying to make is valleygirlisms and normalfag speech shouldn't be used to often

it makes one sound retarded and phony

>>55976399
What, Utena sucks 'cause one guy can't remember what it meant?

>>55976447
one is deep
the other tries to be deep (but fails)

>>55976492
>define deep
>deep means deep

Way to go, /a/non.

>>55976474
it worked with Eva

>>55976492
>>55976505
Deep is way too fucking subjective for us to get anywhere with it as a term on /a/. Let alone DEEP.

>>55976505
basically more below the surface

some things are just as is (like a penis)

some things are more than just that (like a vagina)

but is that like that on purpose, or is that just a fluke

the argument against Eva is that it is the latter

>>55976545
Exactly, and that's why you don't go calling things deep or pretentious when you know shit about that.
What's deep for half of /a/ is pretentious for the other half, and both have good arguments to defend their position. Subjectivity in its purest form.

>>55976456
Yeah, yeah. Is SO clever to understand void and random symbolism that don't actually mean anything and could be interpretated in thousands of diferents ways.

>>55976631
>Symbolism is meant to be interpreted in one and only one way

Is it nice being retarded?

>>55976463
I don't need you to instruct me on what type of speech to use here or anywhere else.

>it makes one sound retarded and phony

That's the best insult you could come up with? At least you tried your very best. I bet that felt good, didn't it?

Get that stick out of your ass and calm down, anon.

>>55976616
I'm disinclined to believe the people calling shows pretentious have good arguments. But I like pretentious stuff, so I'm biased.

>>55976649
You tell me.

Madoka is also deep because it has references to books like faust, not to mention the artsy backgrounds for the witches taking inspiration from popular paintings and the like.
The show is a methaphor for abortion and teen pregnancy.

Deep symbolic anime for a mature audience well-versed in the art of critical thinking.

I probably shoulda seen the fact that this thread has devolved into nameless, faceless people insulting each other coming.

Why do people bother replying to stuff like that?

>>55976102
>go to any Eva and Utena thread and you'll notice that they never talk about how DEEP Eva and Utena

Eva threads are just Asuka dumps.
Utena threads don't exist.

Which is deeper, Bleach or Naruto?

>>55976743
Because this is 4chan. Fuck you, too.

>>55976721
I see what you did there.

I see it.

>>55976765
Well, Naruto as it has backgrounds.

Next question.

>>55976761
this
but with more Akio threads

>>55976743
>Why do people bother replying to stuff like that?

Why do you bother giving a shit about stuff like this?

>>55976773
Best post of the thread

>>55976761
Every once in a while, we have really good Utena threads. It's been a couple of months since the last one I've been in though.

>>55976829
the lack of backgrounds symbolize the nihilism of the story

Would you, /a/?

>>55976909
The lack of backgrounds in Bleach only represent the depth of Kubo's laziness.

>>55976979
Oh yeah.

>>55975418
But a lot of the symoblism in Utena is there just to look cool or is shallow at best (see the kashira kashira)

Better question: Is Utena feminist or sexist?

>>55977543
Yes.

>>55977543
Hard to say, It should be noted that out of all the females, Utena is the only strong willed one (it could be argued that Juri is as well, but she's a lesbian). Utena is strong willed by trying to act like a prince "i.e. man." At the end of the day, Utena can't properly win because women can't be princes (Utena technically wins though)

>>55977543
I......who the fuck knows honestly.