>Research.

Yeah, so how is that magical girl eroge coming along?

What kind of research needs information about magical girls?

But Kagome isn't a magical girl

>>55915106

posting some gifs
its not like /a/ could get any worse at the moment

>>55915106

>>55915075
>magical girl eroge
Reminds me of a website I came across once.
It was fo a game that' essentially Sailor MILF.
God, I wish someone would translate it.

>>55915106

>>55915040
mex?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3883600

>>55915106

You know what...fuck you.

>>55915075
It's a novel, actually.

>Mahou Tsukai Sally (1966) [TSHS&AV] episode 01(v2) [314F5FA9]. mp4

get to it nigger

What kind of novel would it be?

Sounds like one of those typical young adult fantasy fare.

>>55915587
Well, obviously, it's a novel about magical girls. I'm trying to see how much I can get away with following the tropes of the genre while still telling a compelling story.

It's also a little bit about industrial decay and the triumph of idealism over cynicism.

>>55915651
What magical girl shows or manga have you seen?

>>55915757
I've been watching Sailor Moon. I recently saw Aquarian Age at the insistance of a friend, but it wasn't really the tone I was looking for. I've been thinking of watching Heartcatch Pretty Cure.

I've been reading the Sailor V manga.

Oh, I also saw RE: Cutie Honey a few years ago.

IMO magical girl anime shows are too formulaic and too filled with repetitive episodes and stock animation.

Really, you watch one show you might have watched most of them.

It's not like Western live action shows haven't copied these things, for some people it's always fun to see a girl or a group of girls kick ass.

>>55915845
> IMO magical girl anime shows are too formulaic and too filled with repetitive episodes and stock animation.
> just like Harem, Shounen or Moe shows
Just like anything, its 80 % shit and 20 % good stuff

go watch Madoka, HC Precure or Princess Tutu

Well, problem in those shows is that you expect the heroine to solve the problem within the episode usually.
The viewers also always knows who the bad guys are already and they are always mostly a bunch of villains who somehow needs to feel to follow some villain code of sending out monsters one after another, challenging the heroines one after the other etc.
Would that work out well in a novel?

>>55915833
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193565425X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851
http://www.amazon.com/Princess-Knight-Part-Osamu-Tezuka/dp/1935654314/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

http://www.bakabt.com/146941-cutey-honey-shin-getter.html

Then watch Cardcaptor Sakura and Princess Tutu.

>>55915845
Even if they are formulaic, you have to watch several of them to really understand the formula on anything more than a superficial level.

Also, "a girl or group of girls kick ass" is only one type of magical girl show; there are plenty which involve no fighting whatsoever.

>>55915101
Imagine if one day they decide the only obstacle to eternal love and justice is everyone else.

Knowing is half the battle. The other half is metal of varying sizes moving at incredible speeds.

Poor magical girls don't stand a chance.

I bet my magical girl novel is going to be better than your magical girl novel.

>>55915844
The best magical girls are the ones who grow up to be magical women.

How about subverting the trope by making the magical girl the villain?

I dunno, some sort of avenging vigilante eco loving magical girl?Add in some real life mystic conspiracy shit, like she being the avatar of Gaia or something?

Sounds like a typical pulp thriller LOL

>>55916126
I bet we would never to get to read a word of it.

OP here.

Yeah, I've been meaning to watch Princess Tutu anyway, and I'll definitely watch it now. I've wanted to watch Heartcatch PreCure ever since /a/ blew its load over Cure Sunshine, so that's another one I'll do.

What I'm trying most to absorb and transmit is the feeling that permeates the magical girl genre that victory can come to the brave and the pure no matter the obstacles. It's that LOVE AND HARMONY TRIUMPH OVER ALL thing, that's what I'm going for.

>>55916248
I bet you're absolutely right ;_;

I'm hoping to write it during nano this year, but I don't expect anybody here would care enough to read it even if I did finish it

>>55916335


How about a magical girl story where any pure hearted and good girl can somehow be a magical girl?I dunno, maybe make up some patron saint or god that some how gets invoked in the current age of despair or something.

>>55916514
Maybe. There are definitely going to be hints at a bunch of them, and the final team of main girls is going to be seven.

>>55916514
>any pure hearted and good girl
You want more than zero magical girls, right? Lower those standards.

What obstacles?

One silly monster after another?

>>55916440
I question Poemi and dai mahou touge being on there.

>>55916701
An evil mastermind bent on global domination.

Also: the magical girls get their power from their hearts- literally. Their hearts are the engines that drive their powers. The main villain discovered this, so he found one of the magical girls, cut out her heart, and had it implanted into his own chest, so now he has powers too.

>>55916657
These are 2D girls. OP said his novel would be idealistic so he can create as many pure waifus as the plot requires.

>>55916759
That's fucking gay.

>>55916759
Does he become a magical trap?

>>55916335
>What I'm trying most to absorb and transmit is the feeling that permeates the magical girl genre that victory can come to the brave and the pure no matter the obstacles. It's that LOVE AND HARMONY TRIUMPH OVER ALL thing, that's what I'm going for.

You should check out Gunbuster/Diebuster and GaoGaiGar.

>>55916861
... That's not a bad idea.

>>55916815
Just like my magical girl shows.

>>55916335
Can you really create a realistic setting where love and harmony triumph over everything?

One of the most parodied aspects of the magical girl genre is that it's not love and harmony that triumph, it's overwhelming force. They say it's love and harmony but really they're just beating the ever-loving shit out of anything stupid enough to oppose them.

So how does this evil mastermind plan to achieve global domination?
Other than getting a second heart transplant.

There should be more MS like Madoka. Short, without fillers and all this monster of the week crap. 12 episodes is enough.

>>55916440
Shamanic princess should be there as well.

Gonna try Minky Momo, what to expect?

>>55915651
Common magic girl tropes:

- They transform into a more capable and/or "adult" form (albeit one wearing a frilly costume). In anime, this is often accompanied by a flashy (and frequently sexualized) transformation sequence.

- They often have some kind of familiar. It's usually a cute animal, and frequently is responsible for granting/awakening their magical powers.

- Even more common than familiars are magical items which are linked to the girl's powers and/or ability to transform.

- Magical girls usually fight for "girly" ideals such as love, friendship, etc. It's extremely common for storylines to end with the villain being redeemed in some way, sometimes to the extent that they're befriended and become good guys, sometimes in their final seconds before being vaporized by an annihilating beam of pure love and sunshine.

- In magic girl shows aimed at girls, there's often a handsome and mysterious male character who serves as a love interest. He most commonly will be revealed as one of the villains, but can also be a good guy. If a good guy, he will usually not be part of the main team, but will show up only when most needed.

- In magic girl shows aimed at men, everyone's a lesbian. (But also note that lesbians aren't unheard of in series with a female target audience.)


Really there's enormous variety within the genre; talking about what defines it is kind of like talking about what defines superhero comics. You can find exceptions to every rule you attempt to lay down, but I think it's also fair to say that most people's concept of what a magic girl is will be based on long-running, successful kids' shows like Sailor Moon or Pretty Cure.

>>55916956
Well, that's part of the fun of it. In a realistic setting, love and harmony of course aren't what you need to triumph. Love and harmony get you precisely dick in a realistic setting.

So in a realistic setting, everyone expects love and harmony to not mean anything, but OH SHIT THEY ACTUALLY DO.

It's like the part in Boondock Saints where they crawl through the air duct, the air duct collapses, and they wind up dangling from the rope shooting all the Russian mobsters.

Is that supposed to work in 'real life'? Of course not. BUT IT DOES.

>>55917001
>- Magical girls usually fight for "girly" ideals such as love, friendship, etc.
>girly ideals
>Held by just about every shonen action series protagonist ever.

>>55916759
Is it going to be a typical, standard magical girl fare 'evil mastermind' or, in a Shyamalan twist, it turns out that the 'evil mastermind' was actually a beloved president that made his anarchy ravaged country an utopia and a global power

>>55916956
>They say it's love and harmony but really they're just beating the ever-loving shit out of anything stupid enough to oppose them.

Tough love is still love. Even if you have you to smack a bitch.

>>55917107
He's an asshole that's going around capturing the magical girls and harnessing their power. He's ruthless and practical, but he also acts like a stereotypical magical girl/shonen/superhero villain because it's a lot of fun.

>>55917107
>it turns out that the 'evil mastermind' was actually a beloved kaiser that made his anarchy ravaged country an utopia and a global power

Fix'd.

>>55917099
Sure, they're the same, but the way they're presented tends to be a little different. For instance, typical shounen action hero can't into romance; typical mahou shoujo heroine can and probably does.

>>55917037
I think audiences are more willing to suspend disbelief when random action hero does something utterly ridiculous than they will be for magical girls.

Don't get me wrong, maagical girls are great - I think you're just going to have to work harder to get suspension of disbelief going.

>>55916956
Sure man, in a culture filled with fear and paranoia, positive values shown by leaders can unite the people to stand and take down the oppressors.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any magical girls show I watched that had something like that yet. Rest of the world doesn't even know anything takes place.

>>55917222
>ruthless and practical
>acts like a stereotypical magical girl/shonen/superhero villain
Pick one

>>55917300
Oh, COME ON.

If you were a villain, don't tell me you wouldn't indulge in a little mustache-twirling from time to time.

>>55917300
Both.

>>55917288
Actually, that's one of the things I want to do with the story, at least the first book. The first girl, the lead girl, winds up inspiring her city with her actions.

Which is really a big community boost, because her home city is Detroit.

>>55917325
If I were a villain fighting magical girls, I wouldn't send a monster after them.
I would get a gun and go after them myself. Fuck magic and that bullshit.

>>55916440
can't say i have seen many magical girl shows, considering i only liked the non-vanilla ones so far

tweeny witches: magical girls + more witchyness
mai hime/otome: magical girls + relationship drama + power suits
nanoha: magical girls + mecha style beamspamming + spaceships + growing up
madoka: magical girls + universe is powered by despair and suffering of little girls
precure: magical girls + kamen rider + WHY DO I SUDDENLY HAVE THE URGE TO BUY A PINK MERCHANDISE MIRROR

>>55917325
This tends to get villains killed or their plans defeated. It really is better if you just fucking shoot them. There's a reason organized crime bosses don't act that way.

We all know that threads like this always doesn't amount to anything.

Write a paragraph or something. If you want to write a whole novel, making up some shit in one paragraph would be easy.

>>55917484
You'll know whether it amounts to anything by whether you ever see me get anything published.

>>55917430
>>55917453
He should give some sort of reason to send for the mastermind to send monster instead, like the hearts he stole are unstable. It's no fun if the heroes can match the villain from the very beginning.

>>55917532
If you get published, I'll eat my shoe.

>>55915075

lol low power level

>Beat Blades Haruka
>Beat Angel Escalayer
>Comes with more henshin

god damn newfags

>>55917605
If I get published, just buy my book.

Anyone read this short story Witch War by Richard Matheson?

slowking here, watching nanoha at the moment and shit's epic

>>55916335
>LOVE AND HARMONY TRIUMPH OVER ALL
deconstruction (meaning as used by tvtropes)

Fuck off I thought Pretear was amazing

>>55917572
There's still no reason to send one monster though. Attack them with overwhelming force. Or why just monsters? Monsters backed up by the villain's soldiers. Or if you want to take a more discrete approach send a monster to draw them out. Send people to follow the girls. Find out who they are. Kill them in their sleep.

>>55917758
Or better yet, a Dark Magical Girl.

>>55917453
Shoot first, check if dead, then twirl.

Or have a minion do it for you and another minion check. Then twirl.

>>55917758
The monsters should be generated from the heart's power, leaving the mastermind with limited forces to send while trying to stabilize his own power.

>>55917704
>gg

Why kill magical girls when you can just collect them all and used them to rip the enemy?

I mean, they're just little girls, just persuade them or pay them off or something.

>>55917758
Here's the thing, most magical girl villains aren't from "our world" so maybe their way of fighting is more "meet on a battle ground and fight" and less splintercell, call of duty modern warfare tactics.

>>55917926
That's what the villain is doing.

And actually, our heroine is roped into the quest of finding other magical girls. She would prefer to stay and protect her city, but she's enticed to find other magical girls by a powerful megacorporation that wants to stop the villain because his global domination plans are bad for business.

Make it like they have powers other than shooting beams and punching like in Hunter X Hunter or Jojo.

>>55918075
Oh don't worry, they will.

In fact, one of the reasons I want to watch PreCure is because some of them are physical brawlers.

>>55917758
I must fight the rajaa
But arjuna, you are the rajaa
and then arjuna became the worms

>>55917862
want some coalgirls + yesy instead? but i don't see why i should retake an entire folder full of screencaps just to make you happy

Cute girls and transformation scenes just can't be put to the written word.

A magical girl novel is pointless.

>>55918129
All of them are. From watching Heartcatch and Suite I can say anything that isn't a finishing move is probably physical.

>>55918284
Cute appearance can be replaced with D'AAAWWWWWW moments. And transformation scenes can be replaced with detailed descriptions of their costumes and properties. Like the spec-porn about spaceships in scifi books.

>Day off
>MC-chan wants to explore her powers and transforms
>Has best friend shoot her with daddy's gun
>"wow, these things can really stop anything"

>>55918129
You misunderstood me, I practically mean the opposite.

You have to read Hunter X Hunter or Jojo 3rd part and above to get it.

Just saw this picture in my folders and it made me think...

Has any magical girl ever suffered from catastrophic power overload?

>>55918711
Intentionally or unintentionally? If the former, Kyouko killing herself along with Sayaka by overcharging her soul gem comes to mind.

>>55918877
Catastrophic.. I meant to imply unintentionally with that, otherwise you could just count any HEROIC SACRIFICE + obligatory resurrection.

>>55917442
goddam, not only i watchd too many shows on that chart, i even watched shows that are not there.
I never realized "magical girls" is the genre of which I watched more shows.

>>55917758
>Find out who they are
Dude, their magical disguise prevents that from happening. It's like Superman's glasses, except it kind of has an in-character explanation for why it works: pic related.

It also seems pretty dumb to assume that conventional weapons would be useful versus magical girls. They're superheroes. If their powers don't protect them outright, their plot armor definitely does.

If they are vulnerable to mundane attacks, then they'll almost certainly realize it, and will act accordingly.

>>55918711
Nanoha's come really close a couple times. Also happened in Madoka, as a plot point no less.

>>55919028
well yeah, there is a huuge chart of all magical girls spanning more than half a century. don't have it here though.

>>55917442
wait a second, i noticed there is no tokimeki tonight, how the fuck is possible?
please tell me it's not there because it was not released in america, i will refeuse to believe anything else.

>>55919081
This is why you have someone follow them and watch them transform back. You now know who they are. Hell, in most modern cities there are surveillance cameras everywhere so you wouldn't even have to follow them, just get some minions jobs in security companies or if possible hack the system.

>>55919353

Hell just use a satellite or something.

Was this mentioned yet? Original magical girl story.

http://www.pixelscapes.com/sailornothing/

>>55919353
magic distorts surveillance cameras and they have a detect creature skill or simply plot armor. Or they make it a point to transform discreetly.

And the villain might not even know how magical girls work, they're magical after all. To him they could just as well be interdimensional warriors coming in a battle uniform.

Or they could have teleportation skills. Or superspeed. Making all the following and surveilling a moot point.

>>55919353
You're thinking too realistically. Reality is boring.

>>55919353

In short, plot armor?


>>55919533

>>55919549
he's not just thinking too realistically. he's treating magical girls like western superheroes. While they may share quite a bunch of attributes and there are a few supers that are basically girls with magic the theme of mahou shoujo is still different.

Or maybe I would prefer bad guys who could do something more other than send a single minion summoning one monster per episode.

It would be funny if it turned out in the end all those minions and monsters are just pawns to distract the heroines while the mastermind just takes over the world another way, LOL.

>>55919712
I'm not though, I'm treating the villain as if he were competent. You'll note that all arguments against it come down to "lol plot armor"

>>55919353
Implying you're not describing PRETTY MOTHERFUCKING CURE where the villains do EXACTLY THAT.

Seriously. Go watch more magical girl shows, you obviously know nothing.

>>55919628
genre convention armor even.

>>55919821
OP here.

That is ALSO a good idea.

In fact, that may be what winds up happening. The heroine's fetch quest for the other girls is just to distract her.

Although she does win in the end.

>>55919894
>Although she does win in the end.
why?
make it end like devilman where the MC does not win.

>>55919954
Because it's not a real magical girl story unless good triumphs over evil.

>monster appears
>magical girl appears, starts posing
Thanks for standing still

>one magical girl dead

>>55920011
Well obviously she poses AFTER she defeats the monster.

>>55919843
well, if the transformation and secret identity is a central element of the plot then the plot will also have to take care of preserving that. Either by having the MGs behave in an intelligent manner, just like the villains - or by giving the proper magical protection to their secret identity.

MG with phasing powers -> just goes through walls before transforming back
MG with superspeed -> nobody can follow her
MG with timestop -> same
MG with teleportation -> same
MG with illusion capabilities -> they'll think that she transformed into a flying monkey tea like a british gentleman while riding on the back of a rainbow striped whale
MG with nuke skills -> just transform back while everyone is blinded by your last detonation

etc.


Really, it's not up to what's possible. It's up to what's relevant to the plot. If the villain is supposed to be clever then he might attempt such things, but if the secret identitiy convention trumps that then it's up to the writer to come up with a reasonable, i.e. non-asspull solution to that. If it's a plot point that he does eventually learn of their identities... then it'll obviously happen because the writer intends it. But even if it happens, it could turn out that this does help him at all because <insert clever reason here>.

Is this an ideas thread?

How about magical girls being little girls because they are hosts of other world powers?One being a force of good and need to have a good hearted hosts while the evil force needs to be hosted by psychos or chaotic rebellish girls.
Powers and forms change depending on the girl.

>>55920134
Indeed, it depends on the story and plotting.

>>55920011
see >>55918633

You're undeestimating those frilly dresses.

>>55919353
Imagining for the moment that this approach works, and the mahou shoujo's magic doesn't cloud your henchman's mind, her magic doesn't automatically activate to deflect the assassin's bullet or resurrect her outright, etc.

You set up your ambush, it is successful -- congratulations, you have just killed a preadolescent girl. You now not only have to deal with any of her super-powered friends who will certainly be coming for your ass, you also have to evade the mundane authorities, who even in gritty dystopian settings tend to take a dim view of child murder.

This is all assuming, of course, that you have somehow been the only person to ever investigate this girl's secret identity. If it's truly that transparent, the media, government, law-enforcement, etc. would almost certainly have discovered who she is, and there's a high likelihood that she'd be under some kind of protection or surveillance even if her actions aren't officially sanctioned.

If you're going to apply "real world logic" to this, you have to take it all the way. Unless, you know, your villain's super power is that he gets to disregard genre conventions, which is one of the most annoying forms of plot armor that exists.