>it doesn't need an analysis by a psychologist to appreciate

Neither does NGE. It's entry-level existentialism/postmodernism-themed stuff, presented in an abstract manner to make people think that it's really profound.

>>55340956
you must be twelve

>>55341060
The fat that you can describe it as "entry-level existentialism" doeasn't men that it's trying to be something "really profound". It is exactly what it is trying to be.

you realize you just shunned Ichika for not being 'badass'.
You didnt understand Evangelion at all, did you?
I bet you couldn't even outline the basic themes let alone analysis it's freudian aspects. You don't need to know shit about psychology to recognize references to the motherfucking grandfather of a scientific field you knuckledragging mongol.

And that's why NGE will continue to be talked about for years to come while Madoka will no doubt end up being "oh yeah that Madoka was a pretty awesome show" and it is, not detracting anything from it, but I doubt it will have the longevity that NGE has.

Also am I the only person who likes the last two TV episodes of NGE? Sure it's a kick in the nuts if you have no prior knowledge to the series, but its wacky as hell.

>>55341251

No, but its delivery does.

Qubeley?

>>55341309
Examples, please.

Obvious trollbait thread, if you respond you're acknowledging your own lack of intelligence.

Madoka was great but let's not kid ourselves here.

OP here forgot my pic

>>55341333
wtf?

>>55341307
>Madoka will no doubt end up being "oh yeah that Madoka was a pretty awesome show"

ARE YOU FROM THE FUTURE?!

>Madoka doesn't try to be deeper than it actually is. Many complex themes are explored, but they are very well-explained and anyone who isn't screwing their loli sister while watching it should be able to comprehend it
Just like how Ergo Proxy is so deep and intellectual too, right? You can't be this retarded.

>Madoka has a better ending.
Total bullshit. If i wanted a half-assed Deus Ex Machina ending, I would have read a greek play.

>Madoka is much more badass than Shinji can ever hope to be
They're both pretty shitty characters. Poorfag is a better character than Madoka.

But the worst thing about Madoka is the fanbase. They always cause shitstorms and shove their obnoxious LOLBESTANIMUEVAR down everyone else's throat. And I don't even like EVA.

>>55341307
is madoka a wizard? (') ~ (`)

>>55341135
This certainly is a compelling and well-thought-out rebuttal.

I always thought people praising nge were ironic, you people cant be serious.

>>55341309
Anyone with a basic understanding of philosophy and psychology that can be learned at the 10th grade can easily pick up on the themes. It's only those with no prior knowledge that watch it and go fucking spastic over it, then proceed to read up on the subjects and present themselves as experts.

Just because a bunch of people don't understand something that requires the use of a brain cell or two doesn't make that something pretentious or attempting to be more than what it is.

bad parents the anime

>mom i'm leaving in the middle of tsunami to help my friend
>ok

wouldn't it be funny if there is a spin-off where everyone is a guy?

>>55341468
Rest is mostly personal opinion which you are certainly entitled to but

>If i wanted a half-assed Deus Ex Machina ending

Nope.

Until an End of Madoka comes out, NGE will be superior.

We can even have a Kyoko masturbating over a soulless Sakuya.

>>55341544
As a Madoka fan, this is absolutely true, and is indisputably dumb.

I don't think many fans would disagree.

>If you disagree with this you are a pretty cool person and I respect your opinion.
I can live with that. Cheers.

>>55341444
I am, approximately 16 years into the future. Time travel is now a basic aspect of life and is commonly used by the general public for holidays, which I am on right now. /a/ hasn't really changed, last week KoG just got the 444444444444444444444444 get.

>>55341468
>But the worst thing about Madoka is the fanbase. They always cause shitstorms and shove their obnoxious LOLBESTANIMUEVAR down everyone else's throat.

Yet I still am to see that happening once.

Madoka is popular because of waifus, that's it.

Why Japan like postmodernism so much? God, it's so fucking sad. Now no one create normal strightforward story because it's not DEEP enough.

>>55341468
>If i wanted a half-assed Deus Ex Machina ending, I would have read a greek play.

i think you've missed the first 11 episodes

>>55341764
You must not have been here when the final episodes aired. Not quite as spectacular as Christmas day in recent times but still rather intense.

>>55341783
peer presure?

>>55341738
You're telling me that in the course of 16 years the frequency of posting has increased by a factor of 15?
I can't imagine how shitty the board has become.

Madoka doesn't have Asuka.

/thread

does quebey have to except any wish made? it seems stupid if they are created that way

>>55341868
>Madoka doesn't have Asuka

thank god

>Shinji just freaks out
He also jumps into lava.
And covers his friends despite running out of time.
And stops colony drop angel.
And leads attack when rest of NERV is unsure what to do. Ok, he was swallowed because of it, but it still counts.

>>55341918

>>55341893
Well, as I understand it, he's just a catalyst and the power for the wish comes from the girl. Initiating the contract = unleashing the power from the little girl, and it can no longer be reversed. Unless the girl doesn't have the necessary power.

Could be misunderstanding, though.

>>55341868
As if Madoka really needs proto-Kyouko.

Actually I would love to see Puella Magi Asuka Magica. If only for her to ruin her already shitty life by making a wish for her mom or Kaji.

>>55341833
Oh, I was. Fans jizzing their pants on such an ending was a given.
Soon after that, they disappeared and it was all trolls, reverse trolls and haters. Some time after, out of nowhere, came the thousand complaints about the by then lethargic fanbase.

>>55341468
>Total bullshit. If i wanted a half-assed Deus Ex Machina ending, I would have read a greek play.
>Deus Ex Machina
Don't use big words you don't understand the meaning of. It doesn't make you look smart, just retarded.

>>55341783
Why don't you watch Redline or something?

>>55341893
they grant wishes but the equal amount of energy from the wish must be paid off from something anyway

better ask what if someone wished for something that would hurt or destroy incubators?

>>55342007
seems strange. if the advance civilization is that smart, and quebey is still around afterwards, it means the advance civilization didnt change.

<----- SAME PLOT

>>55340956

they are different...

>>55341868
>using a pic with the test plug suit from Rebuild
We're talking about NGE here. No fanfiction allowed.

>obsess over a show because of waifus
>act like it's deep

Fuck you all.

>>55342123
You'll live.

>>55342080
Just finished reading that manga. Fucking masterpiece. Madoka is still good though.

Oh boy another thread about babby's first grimdark anime

>>55341842
It's partially because recent technological advancements have allowed augmentations at birth where a person can mentally connect themselves to a local network to use for the internet. It works in a similar way to thinking (which we still have not quite figured out) where we don't magically view things in our mind, but we still understand what is happening. The precursor for this concept was twitter, so rather than typing on your phone or computer to 'tweet' we are now able to mentally connect to a local network and upload our thoughts for others to connect with. Same goes for /a/, now everyone merely uploads their stupid shit onto the board. As for images, the augmentation has access to memory so we are able to upload things that we have seen or witnessed, like concerts or fights, onto Youtube (now known as UTUBE) and the same goes for /a/, if we have seen a reaction image or the like we just have to mentally access it and upload it.

>stupid monster thing
>stupid duex ex powers
>stupid contract
>stupid other people who have experienced it
>stupid plot with no deep meaning
>stupid final boss and has no meaning has life goes on

>>55341526
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FUCKING THIS!!!!!!!

>>55341544
>bad parents the anime
I thought you meant Gendo. You know that guy who throws his son away. Then fucks old Akagi whore, throws her away (bitch commits sudoku), than fucks her somewhat attractive daughter (and kills her).
But hey Madoka's family is sure the poster family for child neglect. Faggot.

>>55342221
>>55341526
I wish my high school had psychology or philosophy.
But NOPE.jpg

>>55342196
The manga was better

Madoka is only better than NGE at one thing, and that is having magical girls.

>>55341468
>2nd and 3rd impact
>Evas having Souls
>Angel organs
>Rei clones
>Kaworu is an angel
>Nerv hijacks mecha
I can't hold all of this Deus Ex Machina

>>55342261
seems similar to madoka, probably has a point...

Evangelion was created long before Madoka.
Thus.
'Evangelion came first. Anything else...is just a toy.'

Also, I don't know HOW you guys feel anything towards the girls in Madoka.
They're far too 'Bubbly' to even really be called moe any more. They're too LandWhale-ish

>>55342265
Rei is all the magic we need.

>>55342286
wait, in bokurano, they make a contract to fight.

in madoka, they make a contract to fight.

in both shows, they slowly die off...

>>55342260
Private education has its perks.

>>55341307
No, I liked the two last episodes as well. I like EoE more, but the last two episodes, they were REALLY something.

It's a kick in the nuts that MUST be experiences, which is why I get upset at idiots who say they should skip them and watch EoE instead, spoiling the entire process.

The last two episodes has that feel of "wow, that just happened. I don't know what happened.". It's even better if you don't know EoE exists.

>>55341544
not quite that simple. Madoka's mom does try to stop her, but Madoka gives her one hell of a speech; and even if letter her go wasn't realistic, how interesting would the show have been if Madoka had gone back to the shelter.

Sometimes you gotta forgive a little for the sake of the story.

>ITT: faggots trolling and trying to make NGE and Madoka fanbases hate each other.
(Failing miserably.)

>>55342329
Yeah, I agree, but she's not a magical girl as in the cliche.

what about bokurano?

>>55342335
I bet you must like looking at abstract smudges and being told to find subjective non existent meaning from them.

Because that is exactly what the last two episodes of Eva are.

>>55342335
same here. The first time I saw 25 & 26, it felt like kind of a letdown after the intensity of the rest of the show. Then I watched EoE and MIND=BLOWN. Then, later on, watching the series again, I felt like I could understand the 25 & 26 a lot better, and appreciate the philosophical discussion that goes on in those episodes.

>>55342268
How is any of that Deus Ex Machina? Do you even know what it is? All of those were set in motion from the beginning.

>2nd and 3rd impact
What? It's what the main goal behind NERV and SEELE, no asspull here.

>Evas having souls
So? I don't see how this is Deus Ex Machina in the least.

>Rei clones
Again, how is this a Deus Ex Machina?

>Kaworu is an angel.
This is the only one even close to being an asspull and that's more just because he had such limited screen time to explain himself. He was simply the only true friend Shinji has ever had.

>Nerv hijacks mecha.
Um, no. They had been discussing this from the very beginning that they wanted to create a perfect Eva series.

Seriously, you're an idiot. Just because something is complex does not make it a Deus Ex Machina.

I don't understand anyone who criticizes Madoka for it's bad parents and deus ex machina as if Eva doesn't have the same thing.

Ironic much?

If there was one thing Madoka didn't have that NGE did was unnecessary pandering to fan girls with. Actually...I didn't find a lot of pandering tbqh even if they were 'lolis.'

>>55342419
>NERV
>SEELE

Why are you guys arguing over Madoka and Eva when Tatami Galaxy is better than both?

>>55341764
>Yet I still am to see that happening once.
Oh come on. If you haven't seen it by now, you're too blind to be convinced.

Stop lying to yourself.

>>55342241
I can't believe I'm defending the son of a bitch, but yes, while he walked away from his son, I interpreted the relationship as something that both Naoko and Ritsuko initiated first. Like mother, like daughter, eh? Akagi probably took advantage of the fact that Gendou was a man who lost his wife and since she didn't care for Yui anyway, she snapped him up without regret. Whether Gendou really did say what Rei was repeating over and over again to Naoko to irritate her or not, Naoko destroyed her own life, just as Ritsuko did. Ritsuko was prepared to kill herself anyway, it's just that Gendou got to her first.

bokurano has more in similarity then eva, seein ghow eva is based on the bible and madoka is loli fanfic

What's the best bluray subs batch for archival? Doki, Coalgirls, or something else?

>>55342402
You say that as if there wasn't any audio and we were just presented with 40 minutes of drawings to make an ending out of.

ITT: NGEfags and Madokafags suck each others balls

>>55342338
To be honest, Junko is a pretty good if hands-off mother other than that one scene, which I don't buy. Which is why I imagine that Junko tailed her and was hiding in the bushes when Madoka made her wish. Then Junko's an all-around good mother who cares about both Madoka's physical and emotional well-being. I know that it's probably bull, but I'm happier.

>>55342475
> implying either have balls

>>55342413
Episode 25 & 26 and the episodes prior to the introduction of Kaji & Asuka were the best parts of the entire Eva series, hands down. Everything in between was just fucking torture.

isn't madoka, eva and bokurano all the same?

>>55342513
I hope you burn.

>>55342515
Don't forget Rahxephon

>>55342429
The entirety of Madoka is one big otaku panderfest. Cute girls in frilly costumes? Yep, the target audience should be abundantly clear. I'm not saying it's as bad as the run-of the mill otaku pandering show, but it's definitely within the boundaries.

NGE did pander too, but it pandered to the sci-fi crowd. (and it did an amazing job at it too, man, if you're into sci-fi, and have seen the shows that predate NGE, BOY are you in for a treat)

>>55342475
>and then its THIS FAGGOT again
Wouldn't surprise me if this was your thread aaa

>>55342444
And yet he really did love her.
its at least canon in the manga

>>55342549
YES. ALL STUPID PLOTS WITH NO DEEP MEANING.

just because 'twilight' starts with a bible quote doesn't make it deep.

>>55342429
Madoka's mother allowing her daughter to leave a shelter during a horrible storm upon listening to some silly speech that shouldn't have convinced anyone of anything if they had one neuron firing in the brain all for the sake of the plot =/= the behavior of Shinji's father, Asuka's mother, father and step mother, and Ritsuko's mother

You gave a bad example. Try again.

>NGE did was unnecessary pandering to fan girls with

We must have been watching two different versions of the show. There was way more pandering to fan boys (Misato, Rei, Asuka, and Ritsuko somewhat) than fan girls (Shinji and Kaworu). Please don't exaggerate.

Unnecessary pandering to fan girls = not okay
Unnecessary pandering to fan boys = okay

Gotcha.

>>55342513
I'm sorry, but no. Just no.

>>55342594
thats because YOUR not japanese, so you will never understand them

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...but I wholeheartedly agree with OP, since NGE is anime for wankers and smegma connoisseurs. On the other hand, I want you to notice that ending of Madoka was really disappointing and it felt bad when this anime promised much and hasn't lived to the expectations it caused. I mean, this show could be about addictions and/or growing up, but instead of referencing build up (Madoka talks with her mom for this instance) it just shat all over it with Madoka = Jesus end.

At least it was quite fun and not too pretentious.

>>55342402
No, I would hate that.

I liked the last episodes because they were so blunt and direct. There's really nothing to be interpreted, it's all clear as day.

I did, at the same time, loathe them because at the time I didn't know EoE existed, and I thought Gainax had robbed me of what was in my mind so far built up to be an amazing conclusion.

However, some time after, I watched EoE, and boy, did it meet every single one of my expectations.

Shit went down, just as I had imagined.

>>55342578
B-but anon, you mean shoving a bunch of religious references means that a show or a book isn't deep?

It HAS TO BE DEEP.
RELIGIOUS REFERENCES.
OOOOOOOOH EXPLODING CROSSES

>>55342419
>What? It's what the main goal behind NERV and SEELE, no asspull here.
I'm not talking about the process of bringing about 3rd impact. I'm talking about 2nd and 3rd impact itself.
>So? I don't see how this is Deus Ex Machina in the least.
only exists to move the plot forward, never talked about since then.
>Again, how is this a Deus Ex Machina?
Only exists to move the plot forward. Never brought up since.
>Um, no. They had been discussing this from the very beginning that they wanted to create a perfect Eva series
How does Hijacking a mecha "perfect" the eva series.
It's simply just filler drama they made to fill one episode. Unrelated to 3rd impact, unrelated to Shinji's character growth.

Also Madoka becoming god?
Set in motion from the beginning... By your standards, not Deus Ex Machina

Bokurano is the only manga I dropped. This shit was so boring.

>>55342642
>it just shat all over it with Madoka = Jesus end.
Another faggot who forgot what happened from ep 2 onwards.
Little hint: Watch again QB and Madoka talk in ep 2 etc.

>>55342624
Okay.

What NGE did was to include some pretty characters. This is regular, they as artists want them to be cute, and you as the viewer, want them to be cute as well.

The word "pandering" is really an accusation of shallowness and lack of substance, something which you can't accuse NGE for.

The characters were pretty, but they had more to them as well.
This is how it should be done.

Madoka on the other hand, is pandering when they include almost exclusively little girls, making up a big part of the cast, and not bothering to flesh them out properly.

>>55342557
>Madoka is a panderfest because it's a magical girl show. All magical girls shows are pandering by default.
>Eva isn't a panderfest, despite having quite a bit of fanservice of both the girl and mecha variety, because it's a mecha/sci-fi show. And I like mecha/sci shows. So it's obviously not.

Yeah, ok.

>>55342766
Who drew that and what's the context/reason for drawing?

>>55342777
>The characters were pretty, but they had more to them as well.
Yes, they were really unsympathetic. I don't give a shit about any of them.

>>55342777
>not bothering to flesh them out properly.
Someone hasn't seen Madoka Magica.

>mfw its not always trolls and there are people that actually believe madoka is greater than evangelion.

>>55342736

I haven't forgotten about it, but the resolution of this premise was just bad. And by bad I mean BAD. IMHO whole anime could benefit a lot more if it would follow a different route. You were there when we had speculah, weren't you? Try to remember how DIFFERENT it could go. At the end, runes were as crosses in NGE and the meaning was lost somewhere.

>>55342795
Obviously you missed that posts point, as it states both are guilty of having certain attractive elements (to a certain group) - the point being that they differ in their approach.

You are too stupid to comprehend what the post said or you believe that cute girl moe is inherently bad.

Go ahead, dig your own grave.

>>55342869
Evangelion is not even good.

>>55342777
>NGE characters
>had more to them
>angsty spice, empty spice and slovenly spice

>>55342701
Not him but you're wrong on several points at least.
>Evas having souls
>only exists to move the plot forward, never talked about since then.
The very first episode had Unit 01 moving on its own to save Shinji. This highly suggests that Evas have soul.
>Rei clones
>Only exists to move the plot forward. Never brought up since.
Rei's monologues point to this. She has no sense of self because there are clones of her. The very core of her character is build upon this fact.

So none of these two are "asspull" or Deux Ex Machina. How can you consider a main part of the story or a character as such is beyond me.

>>55342889

>>55342451
Doki for now. When Aniplex releases the R1 BDs you can buy them.

>>55342844
I'm sure there's many who hasn't seen Madoka.

But it's true, Madoka spent way too little time on working out their characters when compared to NGE.

Doesn't matter if it's because they included too many characters (because they wanted to hit a greater breadth of appeal), or that they had too little time.

In the end, when it comes to creating well fleshed out characters, the director or whoever was in charge fucked up.

>>55342869
>Madoka Magica fan proclaimed eva killer
>Madoka Magica has much more solid plot and much more realistic characters.
>Madoka Magica has plot related Faustian references over random biblical imagery.

>Evabros rationalize it as "trolling"
The Eva fanbase is the worst fanbase from their intro to psych 101 to forcing Evangelion on all their friends.

>>55342869
It's moefags, what can you do, eh?

When most of them who bother replying are bordering on YotsubaC level autism, it's best to just ignore them.

I fail to see why people still comparing those two.
Madoka and Evangelion are way too different from each other.
They only have LOLDESPAIR in common, like Serial Experiments Lain, Elfen Lied, and others.
In short, they are both pretty horrible but that's the only thing they have in common. Ah, and a shittu fanbaisu.

>>55342989
>>55342889
>>55342832
Yep. Sure is butthurt madokafag/troll here.

>>55342989
Now I wouldn't go that far...

>>55342942
>But it's true, Madoka spent way too little time on working out their characters when compared to NGE.
26 episodes + ep 25 and 26 remade + Air, My pure heart for you + End of Eva + Rebuild 1 - 2

I wonder WHY Madoka spent so little time on characters compared to Eva.

Eva was already dead back in the 90's. it doesnt need to be killed again. only nostalgiafags worship it.

>>55343056
Because it did, that's why.

NGE is a lot more comprehensive in just about every field.

>madoka
go back to
>>>/gaia/

>>55343097
>mixed up incomprehensible with comprehensive
inb4 LOL 2DEEP4U

>>55343157
LOL2DEEP4U

>>55343183
Q: "Why is that robot-thingy called Evangelion?"
Hideaki Anno: "It comes from a Christian word meaning 'Gospel' and it's supposed to bring blessings. It has has some Greek roots. I chose the name because it sounds complicated."

>>55343157
If you think NGE was too incomprehensive, then yeah, it was too deep for you.

>>55342880
OK, let's quote your post down, then.

>The entirety of Madoka is one big otaku panderfest. Cute girls in frilly costumes? Yep, the target audience should be abundantly clear. I'm not saying it's as bad as the run-of the mill otaku pandering show, but it's definitely within the boundaries.

Cardcaptor Sakura also has cute girls in frilly costumes. So does Sailor Moon. Both are obviously panderfests.

Not saying that Madoka isn't pandering to males in that regard, but I am saying that your reasons for why are pretty skewed and biased, and do not apply to the entire watching audience. If they did, Nanoha would have been much more popular from the start. Madoka was popular partially because magical girls are popular, yeah. But Eva was popular partially because mecha was popular, too. You could make exactly the same argument for both.

The main reason for the popularity of both is that they took a genre that most people watched heavily as kids and introduced something much more plot-heavy and with a darker tone. As a magical girl fan, I feel pretty much the same way about Madoka that you feel about Eva.

And no, say what you will about Sailor Moon, etc having darker finales...most magical girl shows don't have a tone as dark as Madoka did through 75% of the show, nor were 90% of mascot animals morally ambiguous and working against their magical girls, nor are 90% of magical girl shows plot-heavy. Madoka did do something different within its genre.

>>55343302
>thinks the show isn't about Christian symbolism

>>55343353
>You could make exactly the same argument for both.
Which is what the post did, idiot.

i finally watched the first episode of evangelion last night. what the fuck, didnt know i was going to be watching 80's shit, so fucking old.

>>55343459
90's

>>55343316
No.
Anno made shit up because it sounded COOL, Evangelion, Instrumentailty (was meant to be simple completion), it's only superficial = DEEP. Just because lot of different shit (from which not all did make sense) was thrown in and fans speculated wildly doesn't make Eva deep. Just remember (or google) what crazy theories and guesses about hidden meaning were made over simple Engrish mistake (1st chldren 2nd children instead of child)

>>55342989
>madoka has solid plot
>implying the faustian references are related even though Faust's point is basically it's not wrong to have power, but actually wanting power for anything is what makes you and everything else fucked this is the reason man is bad period, and the finale of Madoka refutes that with if you use power correctly you can do the imposible see the invisible fight the power so it's perfectly correct to make deals with devils

I wouldn't rationalize it as trolling. I wouldn't recognize it as a part of the rational realm.

>>55343524
Yeah, now it REALLY looks like it was too deep for you.

Go back to MAL, tumblr or wherever you come from.

>>55343524
I agree, Evangelion has no depth at all. Shit is as deep as sea level.

>>55343524
You are pretty retarded. You don't know SHIT about EVA.

>>55343651
Don't you have any other arguments?

>mfw I read these discussions
Seriously, I don't like Madoka, I don't like Eva, but these discussions are really funny. I mean, on one side you've got the madokafags pushing evidence of why they think their show is better, while evafags usually just counter it with bullshit or "Eva did that better" without actual basis, except nostalgia.

Fuck, I'll bet my dick off that if Madoka was made 16 years ago and Eva was made this year, you would have the exact same discussion in opposite ways.

>>55343524
The argument wasn't that it was deep, it was that it was too deep for you. It carries the implication that you're stupid, which you just proved yourself.

>>55343693
If Madoka had aired 16 years ago, we wouldn't be discussing it today.

>>55343723
First you need to prove that Eva is deep in the first place.

>>55343651
Care to point out what exactly is wrong with my post instead of acting demented ?
Or get back to >Gaia
See i can act like a retard too.

>>55343770
You wouldn't know that since it didn't. But from this, I can safely assume that you're an evafag.

too deep, more like too old

Philosophy/Psychology is not deep, it's inclusion in an anime will not make it deep. Both these fields are pseudoknowledge at best. For actual knoweldge see science.

>Madoka vs Eva thread
Also,
>Madoka is much more badass than Shinji can ever hope to be
>Madoka
>is
>more
>badass
>than anyone

>>55343779
No, you see, it isn't all that deep or profound, it's just that you're stupid.

Ergo Proxy will be worshipped as NGE sometime in the future.

>>55343682
>Annoipickedthisnamebecauseitsoundedcool.jpg

>Comparing two shows that aren't remotely similar.
Stop, don't be a fag.

>>55343803
It's an educated guess, that much should be obvious, unless you believe I'm a timetraveler or someone who can simulate with great accuracy several chains of events.

In any case, you're dumb.

I liked Eva a lot more, but I enjoyed Madoka as well. I don't want to get into reasons, but it's just personal opinion.

>>55343816
>Madoka
>not badass

she did stop whataburger night a minimum of 5 times.

>>55343852
>And, as it turns out, the entire reason Hideki Anno decided to go with the name isn't because of religious symbolism, but because he thought the words sounded cool.

Also the jew/christian symbolism is because since it's an unknown religion in moonland it looked cool and shiny to them.

>>55343770
We would if it was so shitty that it needed last episodes remade multiple times while Gainax (or whoever gets the money) milked it continuously (not that Shaft, or whoever gets the money in Madoka's case is any better in this regard)

>>55343894
Perhaps because you had shitty parents and are socially inept?

http://animesos.tumblr.com/

>I agree NGE should be taught in schools.
>Ever since that show aired in 1996, 1/3 of japanese people started behaving like Evangelion’s characters, and all the issues Anno wrote about in Eva became a social issue in Japanese society.
>I don’t even care what Anno has to say on this topic. I frankly don’t.

These niggas are serious.

>>55343783
Not the same guy, but I can tell you right now that the english "# child" instead of "children" wasn't a mistake, it was intentional, just like translating "shito" into "Angel" was. (instead of messenger/disciple, whatever, I don't remember)

Also, if you consider the reply the guy(s?) gave, which was about missing the point, it should be obvious what was wrong with it.

>comparing NGE with Madoka

I'm just excited for the Madoka Rebuild 10 years from now.

>>55343936
I post on /a/, it's kind of obvious that you could describe me in that post.

>>55343682
Care to point out what is wrong with post you replied to ?
Anno agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>55343989
Hmm, that may be the reason why there are so many evafags around. Also everyone here is not like you. I know at least one guy who is regular here and not like that description.

>>55343419
>Which is what the post did, idiot.
No. Go back and read >>55342557. You're dismissing Madoka as "one big panderfest" due to the genre and completely ignoring the plot. But though you admit that Eva also panders to some extent, it's somehow ok and different because you like that genre and you feel that there's more to it.

I feel there's more to Madoka, too, so I don't feel it's any more of a panderfest than Eva. Madoka has cute girls fighting witches, where the equivalent in Eva is 10+ episodes of monster-of-the-week mecha fights pandering to mecha fans and scenes (like that one scene with Asuka slamming the door with her breasts hanging out) meant just for fanservice. Heck, the magical girl outfits in Madoka are less sexy than the form-fitting plugsuits in Eva.

They're the same, and you're blinkered if you can't see it.

>>55343925
I get your point, but NGE didn't have religious symbolism, it only incorporated religious symbols into the animation.

Jesus christ, kids these days, don't know SHIT about what words actually mean. It was terrible to discuss Madoka when it aired because of this.

>Anime has soliloquy
>ITS DEEP

>>55344043
The post doesn't actually say which panders more, it puts them on the same level.

Learn to grammar.

>>55343811
>science
This is why Planetes and Steins;Gate are the best anime ever.

>Western opinion of anime
>worth anything

lets see what the Jappos think of it

http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Spa_Weekly!_2011-07-19

>Why Grown-up Men Also Cried After They Watched Puella Magi Madoka Magica

>opinions offered by sociologists, stem cell researchers, professors, experts in various fields

5/5 experts agree Madoka is God.

>>55344108
>Collecting garbage in space.
>TIME TRAVELLING WITH A FUCKING MICROWAVE
>Science
Nigga please. I enjoyed both shows, but that's not respectable science, and the person you're replying to is an idiot.

>>55344043
Now you're just making up stuff.

You're saying the post says NGE pandered to a lesser extent, which it doesn't do.

The only thing that post did, was describe what the pandering was mainly about. (and therefore how they differ)

Tracing back into the discussion, I see the [>>55342880] stating
>you believe that cute girl moe is inherently bad.
as a possibility for your initial (and subsequent) response.

I think that's the issue here, and while you might be right in thinking so or not, I think you're an idiot.

>>55344115
Yeah, let me just tell you one thing, no "grown up man" cries after watching Madoka.

Giant babies disguised as men might, but not "grown up men".

I know yours was a troll post, but I feel that needs elaboration.

>>55343955
>I can tell you right now that the english "# child" instead of "children" wasn't a mistake, it was intentional,
[citation needed]
Just to clear thing up: Japs used: 1st CHILDREN (for 1 person/child) WHY ?

>>55340956
I'm gonna read the thread right now, but there's a question about OP that I'll just leave her:
Is that anon saying that Madoka is better because you don't have to think to understand it?
>1 Doesn't try to be deeper than it is.
Well, that's a discussion that tends to come up with evan and it's hard to diferenciate between being deep and being... "deep"
>Many complex themes are explored, but they are very well-explained and anyone
But that doesn't make anything deep or not, it makes it less subtle about it.

Also, Shinji isn't a badass and never tried to be nor was he hipped as one. Why do people complain about this crap? Is this some sort of autism that makes you only watch one kind of character or you have to go to the interwebz and complain?

Experts agree, Madoka is da best.

>>55344079
The first paragraph is implying that there's not much more to Madoka than pandering (i.e, "one big otaku panderfest"). The second is admitting that Eva panders, but that's ok because it does it well and the poster likes that genre.

Sounds like it's implying different levels of pandering to me.

>>55344115
I hope this isn't an argument for Madoka, because jappos think even higher of NGE.

NGE is pretty much normalfag stuff, and I mean REALLY normalfag, as in, run in on random strangers, ask them what their favorite anime is, and most say NGE.

I remember that thread by a swede on /a/, who was in Tokyo for a few days.

He met some people, and randomly asked them what their favorite anime was. I bet you already know the answer. These weren't shibuya otaku.

>>55344207 see >>55344325

>>55344251
Someone who doesn't cry after watching Madoka is a known sociopath and should check themselves into a mental hospital or else they might actually spread their aspergers to others.

>>55344398

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>>55344331

NGE had the exposure of decades. Madoka had what
6 months?
the last of the BD only came out last week.

also
>argumentatum ad populum

>>55344398

Shintaro Kago is deeper than both of them.

>>55344307
I'm a big Madoka fan, and I think this image is fucking hilarious.

>>55343302
Damn it Anno, you're not making this anything easier!

>>55344517
"I DON'T CARE"
- Hideaki Anno

>>55344165
>Collecting garbage in space.
I hate it when some faggot just glosses over this like he already fixed the problem and pretends that Planetes was DOING IT WRONG !

1. Planetes was couple of years from NOW not some WARP drives and TELEPORTS just old rocket engines.
2. Technology was better but not good enough to fix the problem (space junk)
3. Even when you throw fuckload of money at the problem and make some garbage collector autonomous robot there would still be fringe cases for which you would send people to deal with the problem.

tl;dr don't whine about POSSIBLE (maybe far fetched) future shown in SCI-FI show just because you think it'll be different.

>>55344307
>Taufiq91
Oh god, I miss that guy's pseudo-trolling.

>>55344279
Yeah, I see that post you quote messed up.

Just so it's said:

You're the one making the statement here. Do you have proof that it was a mistake? No? Well, then you don't have a case.

Children is synonymous with "qualifier", and isn't meant to actually mean "child", as children aren't needed to pilot EVA's.

I'm sure you're right in that tons of retarded theories spawned because of the usage, but that's unfortunately how it is.

>>55341468
>> Total bullshit. If i wanted a half-assed Deus Ex Machina ending, I would have read a greek play.

Do you know what the fuck Deus Ex Machina ending means? It means bullshit appears out of nowhere. It's roughly explained in Episode 10, where each timeline has a wish " I want to save Madoka" making her a focal point and increase her magical powers cause the timelines are co-joined at her moments as a Magical Girl

In Madoka she JUST saved the world, Magical Girls still die, monsters are replaced and are still killing humans cause something needs to be killing those Magical Girls.

>>55344115
>>55343353
>>55342907
>>55342777
>>55342701
>>55342701
>>55342594

FUCKING HELL YOU GUYS.

EVERY SHOW IS FUCKING PANDERING TO A CERTAIN TYPE OF AUDIENCE.

USA, JAPAN, CHINA EVERY FUCKING GOD DAMN COUNTRY AND EVERY FUCKING GOD DAMN MOVIE AND SERIES DOWN TO EARTH.

ANY TYPE OF MOVIE, SERIES AND SHOWS CAN BE DRAWN TO AN AUDIENCE.

EVEN THE 1960s MOVIE PAPILLION HAD SOME FANGIRL PANDERING. IF THAT HAS IT THEN ANY FUCKING GOD DAMN MOVIE FROM THERE ON WHO WANTS TO HAVE AN AUDIENCE PANDER AT THEM.

>>55344165
>Collecting garbage in space

Tell me what was "unscientific" in Planetes and I'll be glad to enlighten you on why you're wrong.

>>55344115
>Takagi-san (age 34) said with a moody face, "It looked as if Madoka's behavior was all altruistic, but in its core, there was also the self-love which also continued to be inclusive of the links towards all those she loved. I am also very much aware of such within myself."

>"The sadness often expressed by the viewers and those around me is due to the thought that "being forgotten" is so close to "death," but since she has not died, I myself am surprisingly, fine with it. It can be reflected back into how volunteerism should be like in Japan where there is no religion and no external moral standard. When I told everyone that "I love to volunteer" and they showed me dubious faces. I feel that this anime confirms that I am in the right."

manly tears right here.

it's refreshing that a show inspires the spirit of volunteerism in people, rather than the shortsighted teenage nihilism that other shows resort to.

Madoka is hope.

>>55344307
RIP YotsubaC

>>55344658
>>55344712

He was comparing Planete's hard science to Shit's;Gay's fucking nonsensical bullshit.

>>55344325
>>55344388

>sounds like
Yeah, that's the problem here. You, somehow butthurt, are seeing things you want to see.

If you consider the post it quotes, which is the post that ACTUALLY says that one is more pandering than the other, the post we're arguing about merely says "Madoka panders, NGE panders, but they audience they pander too is mostly different".

How this makes you rectally troubled is beyond me.

>>55344658
I never said it's "doing it wrong." All I'm saying is that those two shows - or any anime, really - are not respectable because of how well they utilize and explain science.

>>55344493
Why are you taking an opposing position when you agree? Really?

If the point of your post was to say that
>argumentatum ad populum
is a flawed argument, then why disagree?

That's the implication of both posts.

Fuck madokafags.

>>55344854
And, more importantly, neither does Madoka, which is wha tthe first faggot implied. Collecting little girls' feelings to create energy? Don't make me spit out my Mini Wheats.

>>55344696
>You're the one making the statement here. Do you have proof that it was a mistake? No? Well, then you don't have a case.
So by your logic every fuck up isn't a fuck up but can actually mean something unless someone gives conclusive proof it's a fuck up ?

>I'm sure you're right in that tons of retarded theories spawned because of the usage, but that's unfortunately how it is.
So you agree that people were going FULL RETARD about ENGRISH mistake yet claim until i can prove that's actually a mistake i should shut up.

>>55344854
>planetes
>not respectable because of how well they utilize and explain science.

Were you expecting a motherfucking documentary?

Holy shit successful troll is successful, 200 + replies. Madokas a good anime, hell I may even like it more than NGE, but that's just my opinion, chill the assburgers guys.

>>55344918
No, that's my fucking point. I don't watch a show because I want to be educated on the chemical composition of shit.

>>55344854
What part of Planetes utilization of science not respectable?

>>55344968
>I want to be educated on the chemical composition of shit.

Try wikipedia.org

>>55344886
>implication of both post
read this post
>He met some people, and randomly asked them what their favorite anime was. I bet you already know the answer. These weren't shibuya otaku

this is an appeal to numbers

the other cited an article of experts voicing their affinity for the show

it's a big fucking difference

you

fucking

moron

AKIRA did better than both

>>55344895
OH MY GOT. A FANTASY SHOW USING FANTASY ELEMENTS HOW CAN THAT BE ?

>which is wha tthe first faggot implied.
I was going up the whole chain of replies, care to link which post you mean ?

>implying madoka isn't comparably shit
>implying the best character wasn't kyubey
>implying there were more than two or three well animated scenes
>implying I'd bump a troll topic.

>>55344854
>All I'm saying is that those two shows - or any anime, really - are not respectable because of how well they utilize and explain science.

What bugged you about science in Planetes ?

It has reasonable machines and vehicles. It showed dangers of cosmic radiation when no atmosphere protects, showed what effect would small gravity have on children (poor Hachimaki anf giant loli), used space trash and Kesler syndrome as central point ... What was wrong with it (except for the 'i don't like garbage man in space')?

>>55345091
>fantasy show
>explaining things through science
>entropy
fuck this gay earth

>>55344108
Steins;Gate is pseudoscience and Planetes has little to do with science (plotwise)

>>55345264
because no show ever mixed sci-fi and fantasy elements before before ...
faggot

>>55344307
YotsubaC° banned. /a/ cried.
We're gonna carry that weight, fellow moefag.

>>55344165
Butthurt humanitarian major detected

>>55345360
how about another fantasy show explaining major plot through hard science.

>>55344809
Nope.

Poster says >The entirety of Madoka is one big otaku panderfest.

I was actually understating it - he's saying outright that the entire show is pandering.

For Eva, he says >NGE did pander too, but it pandered to the sci-fi crowd.

That isn't the same thing. He's saying that Eva pandered too, and to a different crowd. But he's just saying that Eva pandered - not how much - then segueing into how the pandering was better. He's not saying that the entirety of Eva was pandering.

To put it a different way, if I said that a show was entirely fanservice, and that another show had fanservice, what would that imply?

You know, I don't think think we're going to agree about this, and I don't know why I'm arguing about it, either.

>>55344907
Yeah, you're just mad that you're full of shit, which you can't even back up.

No, I'm saying, that "children" was never labeled as mistake by anyone. By my logic, a shovel is a shovel, it's not actually a rake unless you have proof it's a rake.

Given that they use foreign/english words out of their context/proper placement more than once in the anime, simply because of their value as a name, it becomes a running thing, as if referring another science fiction work. Consider childhood's end, where a new generation of "children" is born, just like a new generation of "children" is born in NGE.

As for probability given that they had personnel competent in english on their staff, like that guy with the polish name or whatever, it's not likely to be a mistake.

>>55345443
Scraped princess

ITT: why madofags are the worst fanbase

>>55345452
That's where you're wrong. It says NGE panders "too", which more or less, copies the statement about Madoka, and applies it to NGE.

Given the elaboration of both, especially NGE, where it says sci-fans are going to see a LOT of pandering, you'd actually think NGE panders more.

But no, you're just buttmad somehow.

>>55345215
The only reason QB was the best character, was because the rest was shit. Get out.

>>55344658
You make good points but it's actually set in 2075, not just a few years in the future.
>>55345359
I wouldn't say little, though it is definitely more SoL than sci-fi.
Personally I loved how accurately it represented the dangers of life in space, and how little things such as radiation exposure weren't overlooked.
Definitely the hardest sci-fi you're going to find in anime.

>>55345264
Except Madoka messed up how entropy actually works.

I facepalmed right there and then.

>>55345636
Agreed, original post was about why pseudoknowledge such as psychology/philosophy does not make an anime deep

>>55345660
that's the point, it all went downhill from their. and no the shitty time loop episode after that wasn't that good at all.

>>55345551
Again.

>Show X is just one big fanservice fest.
>Show Y has fanservice, too, but...

Do you see how the implication is different? I don't know why I'm bothering if you can't see it in the original post, though.

>>55345660
Nobody watches shows like Madoka for accurate science.
If you have trouble suspending your disbelief over something as trivial as that then I wonder how you could enjoy any series.

>Evafags create strawmen out of Madokafags and assume that they all are all retarded shitposters.

>Madokafags don't generalize Evafags and address them as individuals either calmly addressing their criticism.

By the way I enjoy Eva more than Madoka

>>55345815
>trivial
it was a major part of the plot ffs

>>55345453
>Yeah, you're just mad that you're full of shit, which you can't even back up.
You reply this shit to anyone who disagrees and you can't prove YOUR point ?

>talking about 'generation of children' while i was talking about labeling 1 (one) child as 'children', still pretending it's not a mistake

>talking about probability of mistake since someone in Eva staff has polish name ...
LOL WHAT ?

Your posts actually prove my point that whethr its superficial DEEPNESS or some LOL NO MISTAKE CUZ YOU DIDN'T PROVE IT Evafags are making a big deal out of it and will defend even really unreasonable shit.

Ok. That's enough for now. Write your reply if you care, ill look it up tomorrow on easymodo.

homura was so in lesbians with madoka.

>>55345749
No, the post pretty much puts the two on more or less equal standing. That's what "too" can be used for.

I don't get why you're quarreling over this.

>>55345837
No the point of Entropy was to make QB a 'good guy'. Not just some alien monster abusing lolies.

>>55345831
Evafags have had 16 years of circlejerking to kill their debate skills. It can't be helped.

I like both shows.

>>55345846
Well, you seem to have either forgotten or missed how they used "children" completely, so my advice to you is to rewatch it, maybe you'll get it then.

>>55345899

And now !!RpfRBYOAUaW leaves with tails between his legs, having just been owned in an internet argument.

It's funny how shitty tripfags !!RpfRBYOAUaW always disappear the minute someone presents them with a real argument.

>>55345846
>superficial DEEPNESS
This! Only neckbeards with no contact with the real world see deepness in it.

>>55345898
Because I sincerely feel that you're wrong, and I apparently can't let someone be wrong on the internet.

If you can't see how the statements aren't the same after I provided an only slightly reworded example, I'm out, though.

>>55345899
No. Entropy was a metaphor for original sin.
Much less far-fetched than most theories about Eva's DEEPness.[/spoier]

>>55345815
>Nobody watches shows like Madoka for accurate science.
The majority watched them for the little girls.

What you watch it for or not, is irrelevant.

Fact is, they messed up that particular aspect. Messing up things are bad. Had they gotten it right, it would only be a bonus.

>>55346016
>I provided an only slightly reworded example
I think you should understand why that doesn't work.

>>55345955

>no replies
>declare self winner

whoop de fucking doo. you want a fucking cookie?

>>55340956
>3. Madoka is much more badass than Shinji can ever hope to be. Shinji just freaks out and goes into berserk uber mode when shit gets real, but Madoka knows her shit and CONSCIOUSLY dispels the main conflict of the anime.


Iya.

>>55345636
>You make good points but it's actually set in 2075, not just a few years in the future.
I didn't remember this, but it's just arbitrary assigned number anyway (Like they used 2000+ in golden age of sci-fi). By few years in future i meant that there was refinement and evolution of today's technology but nothing really NEW (well except the experimental drive for the whole Jupiter ? mission that was being build as the series progressed.)

>>55345935
This, also read up on various sci-fi classics before you do.

If people had done this, there wouldn't be NEARLY as much confusion as there was.

>>55346080

I'm not only declaring myself the winner, but also:

>>55345636
and
>>55344974
and
>>55345237

>>55346027
Kyubey gave a dumbed down version for little girls. It doesn't even matter if it's correct or not. The core premise of having to save the universe from entropy is flawed. We're talking about a problem 10^100 years from now. The big rip, that is the point the universe has expanded so far no two particles still maintain influence with each other, will happen far sooner. It;'s just gen obsessed with something he doesn't fully understand. But then he's a writer, not a physicist.

>>55346369

In other words it's a joint victory between me and some anons

>>55346371
So, your point is, that the writers messed up?

This is getting redundant.

>Eva
>Preteens piloting mechas
>Bitches bitching and betas betaing
>Lolmetaphor of gnosticism
>Deep
Yeah right

>>55345935
>Well, you seem to have either forgotten or missed how they used "children" completely, so my advice to you is to rewatch it, maybe you'll get it then.
(another anon)
I did check it. Japanese dialog used: 1.children,2.children, 3.children for single pilot.

They're both shit. The difference is that Eva looked good for its time.

>>55346068
Goddamit.

Original post:
>The entirety of Madoka is one big otaku panderfest.
My reword:
>Show X is just one big fanservice fest.

Orig post:
>NGE did pander too, but it pandered to the sci-fi crowd.
>Show Y has fanservice, too, but...

Only difference there is the removal of the anime titles and replacing "pander" with "fanservice." If the person I'm replying to doesn't get it based on that...I really can't do much more.

I'm sincerely done now, as I can't imagine that continuing this line of discussion is going to change any minds on either side.

Also, Greek letters in the captcha? Why.

>>55346515
>"Greek letters in captcha. Why"
Your newness is showing.

>>55346371
>Kyubey gave a dumbed down version for little girls. It doesn't even matter if it's correct or not. The core premise of having to save the universe from entropy is flawed. We're talking about a problem 10^100 years from now.

Sure, it looks that way, do you think is to thank for that? It would be approaching a lot quicker if it wasn't for the Incubators' work.

They are a species capable of interstellar travel, and fucking miracles exist, so in that universe our understanding of physical laws is not even close to correct.

>>55346369
>being poster of >>55345237 and being declared winner by !!BJ
I don't know what face to make in a situation like this.