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  • File : 1315942418.jpg-(272 KB, 1600x1000, Neon_Genesis_Evangelion-manga.jpg)
    272 KB Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:33 No.54645184  
    Oh wow, why has no one told me that the Evangelion manga is so GOOD?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:34 No.54645228
    >>54645184
    Because its not. Its just Sadamoto jerking off with no idea what the story of Eva is.
    >> Destrado (Typical Eva fan) !QFtehReiJw 09/13/11(Tue)15:35 No.54645257
    It's pretty good, if you're a Reifag.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:37 No.54645323
    >>54645228

    Why would you sage?

    And how do you think Sadamoto has screwed ths tory up? I dont think it is supposed to be a complete reenactment of the anime, but more of a retelling.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:38 No.54645347
    kaworu kills a kitten
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:39 No.54645405
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    >>54645323
    Gendo projecting AT field with his adam-hand

    what....the fuck....ever....
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:41 No.54645453
    >>54645405

    And this is wrong why? Of all the ridiculous things that happen?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:41 No.54645472
    >>54645405
    Ah man, I thought that was pretty cool.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:42 No.54645523
    i thought it was excellent. sadamoto's art is great and the heavier emphasis on the interaction between the characters is great.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:43 No.54645554
    Ritsuko Akagi, the truth is...
    I loved you.
    BANG
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:44 No.54645563
    >>54645405
    His motivations were even worse, now he just needs a long mustache to go with the cliche villian he is.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:45 No.54645611
    >>54645453
    Because that so far off character that its not even funny.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:48 No.54645724
    >>54645611
    Well manga Gendo is different from anime Gendo. Just as Rebuild Rei is different from anime Rei. I mean, even still, Gendo gives a pretty close to character explanation for why soon after.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:52 No.54645868
    The characterization is erratic as all fuck, in the very first page there's Shinji saying how he doesn't have a goal or motivations in his life then after Ramiel he's giving a speech to Rei about living keep on living to have a better future, derp.

    The art is pretty nice though.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:53 No.54645905
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    >>54645724
    And? The rebuild characters are pretty shity to.

    Ikari Shinji Total badass
    Asuka "lets cook for Shinji" Shikiwhateverthefucknami
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:55 No.54646003
    >>54645554

    Even though it was quite obvious in EoE Gendo said he loved her I think the manga should have left it ambiguous like the anime did. Personally, I would have liked if he said something along the lines of 'you're just like that worthless old hag'. It's not that I hate Ritsuko it's just that I think it would be interesting.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:56 No.54646034
    >>54645905
    Well what's your point? Aren't the characters allowed to be different in an alternate telling of the story? Hell, shouldn't they be different? Also, I could easily see Asuka Soryou cooking for Shinji
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:56 No.54646037
    >>54645905
    Rebuild film Asuka = Jealous tsundere

    She did that because she didn't want him to like Rei more than her...
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:58 No.54646080
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    Manga > dog shit > Anime
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:59 No.54646114
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    >>54646080
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)15:59 No.54646146
    >>54645905
    Rebuild characters are much better.

    Asuka is less annoying.
    Rei no longer only resides in one dimension.
    Shinji is less of a moaner.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:00 No.54646169
    >>54645868
    No, it's not.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:00 No.54646190
    >>54646034
    If pretty much the whole point of the series revolves around your character, and in fact is regarded as a good series because of your characters. Then yes completely changing them is a bad move in my book.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:02 No.54646245
    It's not so much that they're different, except manga Kaworu fuck this guy, the problem is that the character are either watered down versions that lost most of the charm the originals have or the new directions are bad written/use too much cliches.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:02 No.54646257
    >>54646146
    I like how Rei was actually characterized instead of being a one dimensional fuckwit, but Asuka and Shinji's characterizations are ass.


    And then with Mari it's like what the fuck are you even doing in this anime.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:03 No.54646271
    >>54646190
    Well, sure, you can call them shit characters all you want but the whole point of these things is to change it around a bit.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:04 No.54646305
    >>54646257
    Rei had characterization, she just had a heavy personality crisis because of the whole clone business so she never did anything.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:04 No.54646327
    >>54646245
    >character are either watered down versions that lost most of the charm the originals have or the new directions are bad written/use too much cliches.
    Examples, please.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:04 No.54646328
    >>54646146
    They may be more likeable for todays audience but they are not better done, they're leagues bellow.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:04 No.54646345
    >>54646271
    Well that's why I call it "Sadamoto jerking off with no idea what the story of Eva is."
    >> !!BJiYgff8zf2 09/13/11(Tue)16:05 No.54646378
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    >>54646146
    Redline characters are much better.

    Asuka is less annoying.
    Rei no longer only resides in one dimension.
    Shinji is less of a moaner.
    >> NotAnonymous !lPNGFk.N7k 09/13/11(Tue)16:06 No.54646402
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    >>54646114
    >World's Best Dad
    Every fucking time, man...
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:06 No.54646415
    >>54646257
    Mari was great. She..

    ..had a nice design.
    ..wasn't a shitty tsundere.
    ..had more than one dimension (looking at you, Rei)
    ..knew how to pilot an EVA.
    ..enjoyed piloting an EVA.
    ..best plugsuits.
    ..sang merrily going into battle.
    ..was a beast.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:07 No.54646434
    >>54646345
    Eh, I like what I've read.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:07 No.54646460
    >asuka being saved
    >gendo can controll adam
    >gendo tells Ritsuko that he loves her


    sadamoto.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:08 No.54646467
    I like how Shinji is tsundere for Kaworu in the manga.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:08 No.54646478
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    Evangelion Rebuild is a continuation of the original series and movie.

    1. Kowaru say something along the lines of "This time I'll make you happy".
    2. Many things similar to the original series.
    3. EoE was not the end of the world, 3rd impact just reset things.
    4. Many other reasons I will not mention out of lazyness...
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:08 No.54646496
    >>54646467
    B-b-baka! It's not like I wanted to bathe with you or anything..
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:09 No.54646523
    >>54646478
    Why would a continuation repeat most of the plot?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:11 No.54646623
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    >>54646478
    Here you go
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:12 No.54646661
    >>54646523
    At the end of EoE Shinji recreated the world in a way he thought was appropriate, and Rebuild is the "catharsis" of Evangelion, with things finally going the "right" way.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:12 No.54646675
    >>54646460
    >gendo tells Ritsuko that he loves her

    Thats what I am talking about. Completely missing the fucking point.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:13 No.54646690
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    I loved the fuck out of it, but it's just not the real Eva experience without the acting and music.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:13 No.54646704
    >>54646327
    In Rebuild Asuka and Rei are completely watered down, Rei lost all of her otherwordly and mysterious nature and was replaced with more expositions of her feelings which are nothing mor than 'Ikari-kun makes me feel poka poka I'll make dinner for him', Asuka got the shaft with most of her personality changed and all her interactions with other characters but Shinji removed, the manga makes Kaworu and Kaji assholes without a good reason, Asuka's character is completely aimless and Gendo is a cartoony villian.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:14 No.54646712
    >>54646661
    At the end of EoE Shinji gave himans the chance of going back and lay on the beach while Yui, the actual god, is drifting somewhere in space.
    Recreating the world just because just makes him forget everything he's learned.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:15 No.54646771
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    >>54646712
    >>54646661
    >>54646478

    Every Impact signifys the moment humanity melts into LCL, regains their individual forms and rebuilds the world leaving only a hazy memory of the Impact. Angles are the humans that took another form and not the standard human shape. They repeat this circle hoping that something will change and they could attain happiness. Rebuild is the post 3rd Impact world.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:17 No.54646827
    >>54646661
    >At the end of EoE Shinji recreated the world
    He cannot do that, this sequel theory sounds like the shitties fanfiction I could think.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:17 No.54646830
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    No JA in rebuild...

    Let's hope there is either JA:Prime or they toss it all together and get some Mana Kirishima and the T-RIDEN-T's.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:17 No.54646834
    >>54646771
    Except Shinji remembers and Asuka goes back to germany with a whole new set of memories for no reason.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:18 No.54646881
    >>54646478
    How could Tokyo-3 be rebuilt without anyone noticing/

    What happened to the giant Rei?

    What happened to Shinji and Asuka? How did they suddenly forget each other.

    Honestly.

    There's a lot that points to a sequel (like the 2018 calendar), but a lot of it looks like allusion too (Eva series silhouettes, stuff like that)

    Then there are a lot of common sense things which make a sequel sound stupid.

    Anyway, the red sea in EoE is supposed to be LCL sea that looks red due to the dark light; not a sea of blood red. Unless you also think that Asuka's are that dark normally as well.

    Then the scar on the moon. Looked more like perspective to me. Rei wasn't big enough as to bleed all over the moon.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:18 No.54646898
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    >>54646623
    Did it always look this much like an EVA even with the two prongs?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:19 No.54646922
    >>54646827
    Ignore this faggot, he has obviously never watched Evangelion.

    Either that or he missed the whole "Eva-01/Shinji becomes God" thing...
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:20 No.54646963
    >>54646898
    Yes.

    Adam always had the shoulder prongs.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:20 No.54646966
    >>54646898
    Yes, Adam always looked like an EVA.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:21 No.54647004
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    wait...

    is 3.33 out?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:23 No.54647098
    Why would Seele choose to come back?

    The whole thing at the end of EoE was that people would come back to their individual forms if they wanted.

    Seele wanted to become tang. Why would they revert?

    SHIT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:23 No.54647108
    >>54646922
    You're confusing EoE with Madoka again.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:23 No.54647116
    >>54646922
    Shinji doesn't become literaly a God you retard, he has the say in wether Instrumentality happens or not, he chose not and after that he cuts ties with Lilith/Adam/Rei/Kaworu
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:23 No.54647117
    Neon Genesis Evangelion:
    1. Bends the laws of physics
    2. Is an anime
    3. Known for mindfuck

    END OF DISCUSSION!

    You either like Evangelion or you don't.
    Stop with this don't like that because I don't like that BS.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:24 No.54647125
    >>54646966

    Or more accurately, the EVAs look like Adam. Just saiyan.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:24 No.54647146
    >>54647098
    No one was actually "given" a choice, their subconscious desires lead them back to life if they feel that way, even if they don't know it.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:29 No.54647320
    >>54647146
    >seele really wanted to come back
    That's bullshit and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:29 No.54647342
    1.NGE
    2.PetitEva
    3.Eva: Gakuen Datenroku
    4.Manga
    5.Rebuild
    6.Anima
    7.Angelic Days
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .9001: Re-take
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .ISRP
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:31 No.54647409
    >>54647146
    >create intricate plan, fund the building bio-mechanical mechas, destroy the one thing keeping Tokyo safe in order to fulfill a plan to become LCL
    >LOL OUR SUB-CONSCIOUS DIDN'T REALLY WANT ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN, ALL OF THIS WAS COMPLETELY POINTLESS
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:34 No.54647525
    >>54646704
    >develop Rei's character.
    >change Asuka's circumstances to allow for a different route of development
    >bad thing
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:35 No.54647566
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    >>54647409
    Could happen, SEELE seemed insane anyways.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:43 No.54647814
    >>54647566
    That's an extremely weak explanation.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:44 No.54647856
    >>54647525
    >develop Rei's character.
    The original did that too, but in a more subtle and slow paced way, the new one is a cliche using small child language, asking stupid questions and using cooking as a plot device because we sure HAVEN'T SEEN THAT A MILLION TIMES ALREADY.
    >change Asuka's circumstances to allow for a different route of development
    If you're going to change her past, her personality and her development what's the point of still calling her Asuka, she's even closer to the original Shinji than to Sohryu!. Or how about using the same character with the same backstory but with different circumstances so that her character developts in different ways?, also change her so her ONLY interaction is Shinji is bad and so is using all these tired tropes for her 'development'.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)16:51 No.54648068
    >>54647856
    >original series has 26 episodes to develop Rei + EoE
    >Rebuild has the roughly 12 episodes of screen time
    >complain that they aren't developing characters as much as the series
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:00 No.54648360
    >>54648068
    >Use the Time constrictions card
    >Ignores Mari existence completely
    Also if you're series is famous because of the character doing a retalling and changing them poorly is not a good idea.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:05 No.54648521
    >>54648360
    >he thinks Shikinami is supposed to be the same as Soryu
    Okay.

    Ignoring Mari since she was not mentioned in this post >>54646704 This is about Asuka and Rei. She is irrelevant.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:08 No.54648597
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    >>54648360
    >Also if you're series is famous because of the character doing a retalling and changing them poorly is not a good idea.
    >you're series
    >retalling
    >you are series
    >talling again
    >talling
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:10 No.54648644
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    >>54648360
    >when making a retelling, the best thing to do is make characters exactly the same as they were before
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:10 No.54648661
    >>54648521
    >he thinks Shikinami is supposed to be the same as Soryu

    Yeah lets write her like a generic Tsundere that's gona be awesome. Asuka fucking never went dere dere for Shinji not even at the fucking end. Their relationship was always more complicated then that. And they threw away a giant part of their character "the one that needs to prove herself" out of the window. Last time Asuka couldn't pilot her Eva she fucking tried committing suicide. This time she just bitches a bit for having it sealed.

    And they don't need to fucking rebuild the characters from scraps, they already have well defined characters from NGE they could just expand on the story, even re imagine it but keep the characters intact.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:11 No.54648682
    The manga is the best version of NGE
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:11 No.54648688
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    >>54648360
    Yes. That''s exactly right. Never change anything in your hideously successful series.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:13 No.54648721
    sorry OP, i don't read fanfiction
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:14 No.54648742
    >>54648644
    >lets to a re imagining of Crime and Punishment
    >but we need to cut it to like 10 pages
    >I know
    >throw out all of Raskolinkovs monologue that should do it

    Its cant be fucking done so why try it. Keep the characters change what you can for the movie.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:14 No.54648765
    >>54648597
    Allright I did a lot of mistakes there, now give me a break english is not my first language.

    >>54648521
    What is Shikinami supposed to be then? the same theme of reaching out to others is still there if poorly done, she's still supposed to be the Asuka that pushes away people and is proud of being a pilot.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:15 No.54648779
    >>54648682
    Go watch GGG or TTGL i think you will like that even more.

    (not implying that they are bad, they are just not Eva)
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:16 No.54648797
    >>54648742
    >Not understanding the difference between abridgment and re-telling
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:16 No.54648819
    >>54648661
    > And they threw away a giant part of their character "the one that needs to prove herself" out of the window. Last time Asuka couldn't pilot her Eva she fucking tried committing suicide. This time she just bitches a bit for having it sealed.
    >He's comparing Asuka's Evangelion failing due to her falling self-esteem and confidence and subsequent mindrape by an angel to Asuka getting her Evangelion getting temporarily sealed away whilst they test Unit03 which could have become her main Eva if it had worked and repainted it red as she asked before the test
    Yep, those situations are definitely comparable.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:16 No.54648822
    I like the manga and encourage the Rei scenes, but Gainax/Sadamoto should have stop milking the story line a long time ago.

    Take the Madoka manga adaptation from Hanokage as an example:In 3 volumes it resumed the whole stroyline perfectly in less than a year of publication (+ the delay of the earthquake) and it took enough artistic liberties as well with the script to deliver it a different version, yet upgrading some parts of its animated version.

    Eva manga?: More than a decade, tons of hiatus, stretched until no more without offering much new if you allready saw EoE and the Rebirth movies.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:16 No.54648824
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    >mfw people say Asuka is their waifu

    Fucking dumb whore etc.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:16 No.54648833
    >>54648644
    >Make the characters the same as before
    >Change the events that lead to different development
    There, it's so hard for you to get this?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:18 No.54648878
    >>54648797
    Hey that's the argument why all the characters are caricatures of themselves.

    And Ikari Shinji Total badass is such a huge leap fro the character I don't think you can even call him Shinji now.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:20 No.54648952
    >>54648833
    >take children out to sea treatment plant
    >allow for more Shinji and Rei time instead of Shinji and Asuka time when fighting angels
    >Rei develops differently.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:21 No.54648984
    >>54648819
    That at least shows her sentiment towards her Eva, in the original she was extremely attached to it, now is just another replaceable doll.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:21 No.54649002
    >>54648819
    Ok I might have exaggerated there a bit. But in the movie you don't see that part of her character. She doesn't give a shit if she is the better pilot or not.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:23 No.54649068
    >>54648661
    >>54648661

    You're an idiot. The characters are different in Rebuild, having a new take on them is infinitely better than trying to do the same thing as the anime, because the anime worked on its own format (and length). They rewrote Asuka to be a different character, so just enjoy that character instead.

    The characters in eva rebuild are meant to be more realistic, they're not caricatures or avatars of personality defects like they are in the tv series. This time Anno decided to make the characters more well rounded, hence they have a more immediate change in personality (because the events in Rebuilt happen faster too, no time for slice of life school stuff like in the tv series).

    No-one is really as bitchy as Asuka is in real life. The one in rebuild is more believable, she has a more down to earth explanation for why she acts the way she does.

    The only think that bothered me was how she developed a crush on Shinji, I can understand Rei, because of what happened between them, but I don't see the attraction between Asuka and Shinji at all.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:26 No.54649168
    >>54648952
    NGE = Rei is made aware of her feelings while fighting Armisael, she cries for the first time and sacrifices herself to stop the Angle and save Shinji, for all intense and purposes its a tragic love

    Rebuild = Shinji gives her some food, poka poka, lets cook for Shinji, I olev him
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:26 No.54649175
    >>54649068
    >All of that post
    0/10
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:28 No.54649242
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    >mfw reading RETAKE´s version of Asuka and Rei

    Compared to that, Sadamoto´s version is worthy of a Nobel.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:28 No.54649243
    What if,
    Stay with me now,
    What if, Asuka in this universe is actually the doll Kyouko thought was Asuka in the original?

    Eh, eh?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:28 No.54649248
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    >>54649068
    BUT

    THEY

    ARE

    SHITTY

    CLICHES

    You all want this but that's not Eva. Pic related
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:31 No.54649301
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    >>54649248
    But that's not Eva. This is Eva in all its failing, bittersweets, powerlessness and , dare i say it, depth.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:32 No.54649365
    >>54649168
    >circumstances change
    >change the events that lead to different character development as said by you in >>54648833
    >REI DOESN'T DEVELOP THE EXACT SAME WAY AS THE SERIES FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:39 No.54649543
    >54649068
    The character is not enjoyable because is boring, poorly done and shamelessly pandering to otaku being all taciturn, using vidya as a common escape and all of her development revolving around Shinji's dick while cooking.

    The characters in Rebuild are meant to be stereotypes of some of the qualities that their original counterpart had, they do leaps in development easily completely forgetting the point that in Eva improving yourself and moving fordward takes time and is done step by step.

    If you think no one is as bitchy Asuka you should really get out more, Asuka was a bitch to the people that she found unbearable, she didn't bitch to Misato Kaji and Hikari, and even if some of her conditions are uncommon that doesn't make her unrealistic in the context of how she reacts emotionaly.

    Also why does Shikinami acts how she does? they didn't gave her a backstory in 2.22, the fact that she quickly dismisses her fears of intimacy after learning she can't do all alone indicates she doesn't have a really impacting backstory.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:39 No.54649561
    >>54649365
    Non shit character development > shit character development

    Or are you saying that her realization on the brink of death carries the same weight as her poka poka scene. And no that's not me. There are actually 2 people that dislike the Rebuild characters. Shocking I know.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:43 No.54649671
    >>54649365
    I'm not that anon but I see his point, her development is the same 'girl learns about feelings and how to express hers' but rushed, with poka poka and 200% more cooking for the love interest.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:44 No.54649723
    >>54649561
    >Or are you saying that her realization on the brink of death carries the same weight as her poka poka scene.
    Not at all.

    I'm just saying that this is a retelling. Different circumstances and events lead to different developments in character.

    Bitching about how shit isn't on the same level is pointless since this is a retelling. Circumstances in rebuild are different. Characters develop differently. It's stupid to think you need a BRINK OF DEATH to bring the same amount of development.

    Rebuild's character development isn't the best, but to think that you need the same emotional shock as in the series to achieve the same end result is stupid because again, it's a retelling. Plus there's less screen time overall.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:47 No.54649798
    >>54649723
    Hey you are at least reasonable and your points are noted. Its the idiots that think the rebuild characters are actually better that annoy me.

    The characterization just feels shallow as fuck with the 2 movies now. And as stated multiple times Ikari Shinji Total Badass is just an affront to Shinjis character
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:49 No.54649842
    >>54649723
    The point is having character development without using shitty cliches, Rei could have developed without all the cooking bullshit and having much more inferior mental maturity than the original, just doing in a different and not terrible way would have been much better.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)17:54 No.54649990
    >>54649842
    Rei is supposed to be maternal. Her cooking is just like her cleaning.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:00 No.54650194
    >>54649829
    But you get the same result. With the rushed development everybody is going to just ignore the characters and you get a pretty light show. Ultimately its self defeating. But again this wasn't really the point. The point were people claiming that the Rebuild characters are better then the original.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:03 No.54650303
    >>54649798
    It hasn't finished, who knows how it's going to turn out.

    One thing people need to accept though is that this isn't the same Eva as the series. It was never meant to be. If people are going to make constant, needless comparisons to the original, of course they're not going to enjoy it. It's also silly to expect it. Rebuild is different to the series. Just as Gakuen Datenroku, Angelic Days, the manga, etc. are all different to the series.

    Plus there are so many more constraints with it being a set of movies the characters are never going to develop as fluidly as in the series. It has to be rushed, simply because they don't have the time. We've had what, 2 movies, which is something around the region of time that was taken to get to episode 6-7, so that's as far as Ramiel/Asuka's introduction. They've had to push something like 20 episodes of development in that time for Rebuild.

    >>54649842
    Could they have done it better? Of course.

    But again (and I hate to bring it up), they've had to put a lot in a short amount of time. They've probably bitten off more than they can chew, but it's too late for that now. Sometimes you need to do something clichéd to push things along a bit quicker, rather than something convoluted and needlessly complex.

    It isn't perfect, but what is?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:06 No.54650414
    >>54650194
    >The point were people claiming that the Rebuild characters are better then the original.
    I think it's just better to say that they're different.

    In some ways they're better; in others, they're inferior. The ways in which they're better/worse, depends entirely on your opinion. And that's all it really boils down to, opinions.

    I liked Shinji being a little whiny and angsty bitch in the original, but I'm still enjoying Shinji Ikari; Total Badass, because he gets shit done (so far)
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:06 No.54650416
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    >>54649723
    >>54650303

    This and this. God damn it, no one is invalidating your precious original EVA. I loved it too, back in the day, but nowadays I appreciate the fact there's a cooler, prettier version of it that isn't (yet) totally depressing.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:10 No.54650549
    >>54650416
    >but nowadays I appreciate the fact there's a cooler, prettier version

    >>54650414
    >enjoying Shinji Ikari; Total Badass

    Sorry but then you just don't get the point of Eva.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:11 No.54650593
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    >>54650416
    Hopefully it won't go BAD END.

    If I want my tumbling down ending, I'll rewatch the series and EoE.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:13 No.54650664
    >>54650303
    Unlike those other adaptations Rebuild is being created by the original author and most people that were behind the original, they also have an unlimited budget and enough planiation time to developt better the structure of the movies, one of the things that most bother me about Rebuild is that if they were going to change so much stuff why leave 1.11 so close to the original, why 2.22 keeps so many plot points from the original when is obvious they weren't going to work with the sceentime of the characters, why not developt the story around the characters instead of the other way around?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:14 No.54650705
    >>54650549

    Oh quit that elitist shit already. If you want me to be honest, I also hated how preachy Anno was with his otaku criticism in the original show and I love how fucking butthurt he was when it backfired and everyone made Asuka and Rei their waifus.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:15 No.54650717
    >>54650549
    >doesn't understand that Rebuild of Evangelion is not Neon Genesis Evangelion

    Not the same guy(s)? But I think it's more to do with you being a faggot who thinks that the status quo should be the same and nothing should change with regards to Eva than them not understanding.

    I bet you bitch about the numerous spin-offs because they're not like the originals either, right?

    Fuck, I bet you hate Puchi Eva because Shinji isn't like how he is in the series or that all the characters aren't in some pit of depression.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:18 No.54650823
    >>54650416
    There is going to be a definite turn to depression just for drama's sake or else there is no strong emotional investment in a concluding arc. But there will be a more coherent catharsis in the end. Basically the one who does not fall, doesn't learn to get back up.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:18 No.54650824
    >>54650414
    >Shinji Ikari; Total Badass
    Protip. Rebuild Shinji was still a whiny kid and much more of a coward in 2.22 until he fights Zeruel, he abandons all of the world to their deaths and has to be forcibly taken out of the shelter by Mari, a gurren lagann scene doesn't change that to me.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:19 No.54650857
    >>54650717
    >>54650705
    Yeah sorry I got standards and think Eva is more then your run-off-the-mill super robot show. And don't get me wrong I can enjoy it for the pretty visuals and fights. But the characters are shit.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:20 No.54650904
    >>54650664
    You're asking the wrong person. Send an email to Anno if you really want an answer.

    All I'm going to say is that you make it similar so that people have that familiarity when they watch the series. So they can appreciate how different things look now, compared to the 90s.

    They don't need to change a lot with the 1.11 because it covered the first 6 or so episodes, in which not as much happened. There isn't that much you can wildly change.

    You can change a lot more once the series gets meatier, as with 2.0.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:21 No.54650925
    >>54650824
    >a gurren lagann scene doesn't change that to me.

    It changes him astronomically. From a character that could just scream and panic while the MP Eva devoured Asuke to a hot-blooded MC who kicks ass and gets things done
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:22 No.54650957
    >>54650717
    I love puchi Eva because is cute and lighthearted and doesn't try to be heavely character driven drama that is supposed to save the Anime industry from stagnetion, Rebuild fails because it tries to be just that and it doesn't live up to those claims at all.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:25 No.54651058
    >>54650857
    And because of it, he finally got shit done.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:25 No.54651059
    >>54650925
    No it doesn't, if you think screaming and doing weird faces with rainbows like a retard is a good character development, specially when it doesn't have any actual build up of him growing up, you're delusional.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:26 No.54651094
    >>54650857
    >still doesn't understand that Rebuild of Evangelion isn't Neon Genesis Evangelion
    You're either a fucking moron or a really shitty troll.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:26 No.54651101
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    About 3 years ago a friend who moved away lent me the series and I never got a chance to return in. I just started watching a week ago.

    I went to a Japanese festival in my city and they showed the first Evangelion film. It was super cut up and spliced so I thought i'd get the series a try, why not you know? I really enjoy it so far. I have no idea why I didn't take the time earlier to sit through it. I think I was sort of hazy because I'm a Gundam fan (UC time line)
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:27 No.54651129
    >>54651059
    I think we have a misunderstanding. I find that development complete shit. Just responding to the anon that said the TTGL scene made no change to the character.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:29 No.54651172
    >>54651059
    >grows balls to go out and save Rei by initiating some batshit berserker mode instead of bitching about how he can't do anything because his Eva is sealed in bakelite plastic until the Eva breaks free herself and he still only screams like a hissing vagina
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:29 No.54651182
    >>54651094
    So what you are saying. Its not Eva so i should be fine with whatever they do with the character?

    Yeah no.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:29 No.54651188
    >>54650925
    >It changes him astronomically. From a character that could just scream and panic while the MP Eva devoured Asuke to a hot-blooded MC who kicks ass and gets things done

    Am I really the only person on earth who noticed that Shinji's relationship with Rei almost destroyed the planet? Am I expected to not put 2 and 2 together and see this as him still dancing on Gendo's puppet strings?
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:30 No.54651213
    >>54651172
    Also, this doesn't mean that the scene was the best way to develop a character, but it does the job and the point is proven
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:32 No.54651250
    People who suddenly like Shinji because he's a "badass" in Rebuild when he was just as much of a coward in the movies as he was in the tv show. There were also times when he actually "manned" up in the tv show as well.

    laughinggirls.jpg

    Now MANGA Shinji, that guy right there is a badass.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:35 No.54651358
    >>54651213
    >Also, this doesn't mean that the scene was the best way to develop a character, but it does the job and the point is proven

    This is the attitude that's pissing people off. It's too easy to just shrug and say "time constraints" when there are legitimate insufficiencies in character development. The main reason the original gets cited in comparison is because it provides a counter example to the over simplification of the new one. I get that it's different, I really do. But that's not the issue. The issue is that it's been changed from something interesting into something not as good.
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:35 No.54651359
    >>54651172
    >Showing the protagonist becoming a retarded super robot pilot to save his love interest is a good way to show how much his has grown as a person
    >> Anonymous 09/13/11(Tue)18:36 No.54651383
    >>54651359
    >implying its a love interest



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