Pretty much.

And they are both shit.

But it's not open ending and won't still be discussed in 15 years like NGE is. The only way it will become the new Eva is if it causes the industry to focus on more story based shows.

And so, time will tell.

Except Eva was influential while madoka is generic garbage and cliches mashed up

>>54269340
Word.

>>54269340
>overrated
only haters think that
Yes it was hyped like hell. And it lived to this hype.

>holy shit what the fuck ending
braindead much?

>Pussy/indecisive lead character
heh .. did we watch the same show?

Name a mecha show that has the same psychological depth as Evangelion.
Just one.

Implying that Madoka was the main character.

>>54269464

>>54269394
>madoka
>story
derp

>>54269464
My lunch had the same psychological depth as Evangelion. none.

>>54269504
Madoka was very story driven

>>54269504
>I don't like it so it had a shitty story
Congratulations, you're a faggot. Madoka was very story based and had lots of foreshadowing that we actually picked up on.

>>54269565
Shame that it wasn't very good. It was a mediocre character drama disguised as a magical girl show.

>>54269464
if you'd call "depressive director with suicidal tendencies" psychological dept, then none.

>>54269616
>complaining about drama in an anime with a serious subject

By being compared to Evangelion, Madoka already can't be the next Eva.
As it was then, and pretty much now, nothing is comparable to Evangelion.

>Eva
>emo soap opera that weeaboos/angsty teens and hipsters think is a masterpiece
>Madoka
>Sailor moon DEEP edition that retards think is a mastepiece

both amime are shit

>>54269630
Tomino. But he never really expressed his psychological state, we just got to see some wacky shit in gundam.

>>54269637
Where am I complaining about drama? My issues with Madoka is that the plot was ill conceived and they sacrificed character development for the sake of making the show look cutesy for the first 2 episodes so they could play off of shock factor.

One of the biggest examples of this is that Kyouko's personality does a 180 out of nowhere, which is horrible writing.

>>holy shit what the fuck ending
Are you retarded?

Eva: Angsty boy becomes Mech pilot and has daddy issues.

Madoka: Girl is bent on stopping another girl from becoming a magical girl. All other magical girls die and/or get betrayed by their wishes.

Stop fucking comparing Madoka to Eva you nitwits.

>actually thinking Madoka can be fully compared to Eva
Retards, retards everywhere.
>mfw the meaning of my post is open ended

>>54269748
> show look cutesy for the first 2 episodes
>not Mami's character development and introduction of Madoka and Sayaka

>180 out of nowhere
Your arguments are out of nowhere.

Atleast Madoka has awesome music

madoka was good,fuck you /a/.

Madoka: the moe version of Kamen Rider Ryuki

>>54269464
Bokurano

There were similar concepts used throughout both, but for fuck's sake, stop comparing the both. NGE > MadokaMadoka wasn't bad though

>>54269793
KST, where?

>>54269792
>180 out of nowhere
Hi I'm Kyouko I'm going to fight you Sayaka.

Next episode: Hey Sayaka, wanna be lesbian buddies?

>>54269867
>i'm new to anime and don't know what tsundere means

>>54269825
Not that similar like Evanglion vs Ideon.

>>54269867
You forgot all that
>you are just a piece of jewelery and your body is remote controled meat robot
thing between that.

>Eva fags saying Eva is better because its discussed more

Naruto is way more discussed worldwide then Eva
guess that means Naruto>NGE

>>54269853
But NGE is shit. How does that compute?

>>54269748
I kind of agree with you but Kyouko's personality changed due to the Soul Gem revelation. Yeah it was rushed though.

>>54269906
Naruto is a long running series, NGE is still discussed due to it's open endedness. Stop comparing shit that can't be compared.

>>54269906
No one is saying that.

>>54269909
Because Madoka is even shittier, that's why.

>>54269825
>Thirteen Card Decks (カードデッキ Kādo Dekki?) were created for thirteen Kamen Riders. They make Contracts with monsters from the mysterious Mirror World (ミラーワールド Mirā Wārudo?), a parallel dimension opposite to our own in which only the Kamen Riders can exist. The Riders draw on their monsters' strength in exchange for feeding them the life force of the creatures they destroy. The creator of the Advent Cards (アドベントカード Adobento Kādo?) has only one rule: that there can be only one Kamen Rider. The others must be killed, and the sole victor will be granted a single wish, which leads to a conflict known as the Rider War.
Sounds more like Fate/Stay Night

0/10

>>54269911
>Yeah it was rushed though.
That's a 13 episode show giving stage time to all characters for you. Given those restrictions they handled it reasonably well.

>>54269445
>live to this hype
>constantly called the only show worth watching since evangelion

>>54269931

see

>>54269394
Rebuild hasnt finshed yet
>>54269930

ITT: Assclowns.

Assclowns everywhere.

>>54269898
Am I the only one that thought that part was contrived and forced BAAWWW?
I mean, I get the logic, but the way they displayed was ugly and not subtle at all.

>People hating on Eva
All my why.

This thread at least confirms my suspicion that people who think Madoka is a boring/pussy/stupid main character are the same ones who think that of Shinji.

>Gee, a naive teenager in a stressful situation whose response is OH GOD WAT THE FUCK DO like a real person, rather than jumping straight into action like my favorite mango hero Naruto? how boring, who the fuck would watch this, i would never be confused in a situation like that

>>54269911
>>54269961
>rushed
So you need 2 episodes of angst and inner monologue to get the point across??

She changed her opinion based on the soul gem revelation. There is no need to drive the point deeper.

>>54269996
you must be new here
EVA hate has been around since the beginning of fucking time

I don't even think Madoka reaches up to Evangelion's knees in terms of, well, anything.

>>54269995
They only had 12 episodes.

>>54269996
>implying /a/'s opinion matters
I'm reading this thread listening to the EoE OST, it's pretty funny.

>>54269985
Reading comprehension you gigantic faggot.

The long-running discussion is a huge aspect of Eva. Madoka will not have that. To compare something to Eva, you would expect it to share its' major aspects.

>>54269996
>hating on evangelion and madoka
retards,all of you.

>>54269981
>constantly called the only show worth watching since evangelion
That's an exaggeration, and you know it.

>>54269996
Well, yeah. /a/'s been doing that forever. We're the original animu hipsters, after all.

>>54269995
You mean finding out that you are a fucking lich is perfectly fine and they wouldn't be upset at all to find out that they are just gems?

>>54270060
>eva
>discusion
.. I only ever see Rei or Asuka imagedumps

>>54269995
A lot of plot elements seemed a bit forced, because of the episode constraints. The show was enjoyable but ... I really wouldn't call the show a masterpiece in any regard.

>>54269825
But, but normal people could enter barriers. That happened in ep 3. And basically everytime a witch lured a human to eat it. Now I wonder how accurate is that comparison.

>>54270018
No, /a/ is like a group of monkeys, if they see one reaction they will exhibit another and anyone after will do the same. I only come here to troll anyway, good luck finding decent discussion.

>>54269340
>Madoka: the new Evangelion.
Or so people would have you believe. The reasons as to why it is so popular boggles my mind to this very day.

>Highly overrated
This. Why in the hell do people overrate this? Was it the "dark and deep" themes and the references to Faust? IT reminds me of how people thought Evangelion was "OH SO DEEP" because of references to Christianity and Judaism were sprinkled throughout the show. It's not as if the idea of a depressed protagonist who was reluctant to pilot a mech has never been done before.

>holy shit what the fuck ending
That's not how I would describe the ending to Madoka. That's how I would describe the ending of End of Evangelion (note I didn't say the last two episodes of the TV series). I would describe the end of Madoka as "holy shit...that's IT?"

>>54270085
>I see the entirety of every thread on this subject

>>54270067
And? That's the hype it has to live up to. And I'm being told it did.

I think everyone in this thread should stop posting and listen to this for a moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmZBOY6Mczk

It will calm you all down.

>>54270053
popular doesnt make it better

if thats true, then once again
i guess Naruto is better then Eva

>>54270085
As opposed to Homura x Madoka and Sayaka x Kyouko imagedumps.

Twice as many girls, so the show is obviously twice as good.

>>54270085
i'm more of a madokafag,and i can still tell that you're retarded.

>>54270126

>Pussy/indecisive lead character (inb4 god)
Shinji was a pussy/indecisive for a reason. Let's see how tough, assertive, and decisive you are when you block out the memory of your mother being vaporized in a test operation, your father packs up and leaves you behind with a relative/teacher with out bothering to explain (or you being too young to understand even an actual explanation), only to be called upon years later to pilot a biomechanical being that is being operated, funded, and managed by a secret organization that is being housed deep underground and is more powerful that the damn Japanese government and YOU are being callously manipulated into piloting this being to fight something known as an angel that can vaporize people, buildings, and every thing in its path in a single blast.

As for Madoka, she may have been indecisive, but that kept her from blurting out a selfish, shallow wish for the sake of herself like Sayaka. And Madoka a pussy? Did the two of us actually watch the same show? Do you need to be reminded of when she prevented all of those possessed people from committing mass suicide? She may not have kicked ass like Kyoko and Sayaka but that action isn't the action a pussy would make.

Oh yeah, and Madoka and Shinji do not become gods. I wish people would stop spreading this shit.

>>54270133
No, fuck you.

>>54270061

Come on, that comparison is insulting to all retards.

>>54270060
Madoka discussion ceased right after it aired. There was really nothing more to discuss.

You know what was left? Endless masturbation over cute little girls, and yuri fantasies.

Madoka's concept had potential, but it was in the wrong studio, and in the wrong hands.

>>54270053
They are writing books right now.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/o/ASIN/4796685251/

>>54270133
Komm Susser Tod alone is a greater achievement than all of Madoka.

Not sure what I preffer.
This thred filled with idiots and haters.
Or spam.

>>54270059
>>54270088
Having less episodes is a bad excuse. If its not going to be done right, it shouldn't be done at all.

>>54270082
I said I get the logic, faggot. But the way they showed it all was pretty annoying. Not to mention, a whole bunch of conflicts were established earlier in the show, yet they weren't expanded upon at all. Throwing in more conflict makes for shitty drama without direction. There are places you can go to hear bitches complain about all their issues.

So, since we're comparing the two.... Did Sayaka masturbate to Kyousuke when he was in a coma?

>>54270252
idiots and haters. Not even a question. At least you can attempt to reason with the idiots.

>Homura = Kaworu
Both MC's homosexual life partner
>Mami = Misato
Shitty oneesan role models
>Sayaka + Kyokou = Rei + Asuka
Broken to the core Red/Blue Onis, included for more moe/fanservice
>Madoka's mom (implying I give a shit about her name) = Gendo
Both hold down their children and are responsible for their ackwardness

And not a single fuck was given

>>54270200
There's books on absolutely everything from Gundam to Bakemono.

Those EVA-books? All released within a year, from tons of different people, scholars, and regular critics as well.

As I said, not even knee-height.

>>54270169
Madoka became a goddess, in the japanese meaning, where a god/goddess is only a supernatural being with a duty.

>>54270278
>ackwardness

>>54270278
3/10

>>54270249
Why does that English song have a German title?

>>54270269
>bunch of conflicts were established earlier in the show, yet they weren't expanded upon at all
which ones?

>>54270271
I think it is easier to reason with spammer than with idiots in this thread.

>>54269340
Except in 16 years no one will give a shit about Madoka and Eva will still be discussed.

>>54270322
So you've had success telling brick walls to move?

>>54270301
Madoka became a goddess ala the Greeks, in that she has control over one, or a limited number of things.

>>54270299
NGE was not that popular in 1995. Most of those NGE books were written after the first movie.

>>54270355
>So you've had success telling brick walls to move?
No, thats why Im saying you cant reasoning with idiots.

>>54270319
Probably because Anno thought it sounded cool.

>>54270358
>Wants to get drunk and raped by 7 niggers
You were thinking of green Mugi, right?

>>54269340
I always thought that Rebuild was the new Evangelion. Those girls in that picture look nothing like the characters in NGE I remember.

I dunno why the fuck you have a problem if people find something you thought was mediocre-to-okay to be the greatest thing ever.

People who think that about Narushit, Twilight, truly awful things - I see why that's annoying. But if you just think Madoka's average and not "as good" as people act it is, what's the big deal? Obviously it's a case of different interests. It's not like it's actively impairing your ability to watch what you enjoy, unless the industry starts churning out imitations (which it doesn't seem to be about to do) or flooding /a/ or something (well, not anymore...)

>>54269464

I think >>54269842 got you there.

>>54269475
The main character of a show has shit to do with this discussion. If this is all you focus on, then you're are definitely focusing on the wrong thing and missing the point of the show altogether.

>>54269565
>Madoka was very story driven
And a very poorly executed story at that.

>>54269630
>if you'd call "depressive director with suicidal tendencies" psychological dept, then none.

It's almost as if you are implying that's what Evangelion was all about. Wow.

>>54269708
>emo
>soap opera

Portraying characters with realistic and easily identifiable issues implies emo soap operatic garbage? Did we watch the same show?

>>54269867
Thank you.

>>54269885
Shitty excuse for poor character development.

>>54270353
Well, now you said that, some of us will surely keep the lova alive and keep discussing Madoka in the next two decades.

>>54270378
I'm afraid you're the idiot right now.

>reasoning with spammer
You say shit. He ignores it. He just keeps spamming. He doesn't even see it. Have fun.

>Reasononing with idiots
After long enough time, your points actually will sink in if you present them in the right way. If they're replying to you, they're reading your points and there's still the potential for them to realize that what you're saying might actually be right.

>-Never does.

You've got Homura to thank for that as she doesn't want Madoka becoming a magical girl.

>>54270322
>>54270355
>>54270378
>>54270446
ITT: Deconstruction of Eva vs Madoka

>>54270301
>>54270355

Oh, so that's how people are explaining Madoka's "godhood" now. I see.

>>54270353
There will be threads like this in 16 years. Confirming that Madoka is indeed a masterpiece.

>>54270448
>Uidrew !!m4tW5PKB2UV
Well fuck, time for me to leave I guess.

>>54270446
> your points actually will sink in
You are underestimating idiots.

.. not only they ignore what you say, but they will strill continue to sprout their own bullshit, thinking they are making arguments.

With spammer, you know you will only be ignored.

>mfw I enjoyed both

>>54270429
>implying a bunch of neckbeard losers count for shit.
Yeah, no. You see, the thing is that Madoka knew how to make a use of moe and sell like a beast.

Sure, Eva did the same with Asuka and Rei, now with Mari, and is still cash-cowing like a bitch, but that alone isn't what makes us remember it still.

>>54269996
>People hating on Eva
>All my why.

Why not?

People calling Madoka not as influential as Eva are a bunch of idiots. Madoka JUST fucking came out within the last 2 years. Eva came out in the 90s. Are you guys fucking kidding me?!

>mfw Evafags and Madofags both get butthurt.
They're both overrated shows.
And you're all fags for arguing about it.

>>54270489
Madoka will be forgotten about as soon as the new season of Hidamari Sketch airs.

>>54270278
Homura's personality is like the complete opposite of Kaoru's. Hoyay with the MC is the only similarity.

Mami = Misato I can almost see where you got it from, but Mami is an awful character with...hm...two good traits while Misato is actually fairly interesting and doesn't properly fall into any preexisting character archetype, so no.

The rest of your comparisons are just silly. Madoka's mom holds her back, what?

>>54270502
Clearly you're underestimating them. What, you've never gotten someone who was clearly wrong in what they believed to see things with a better point of view? You don't know SHIT about animu.

>>54270472
>>54270355
Except that it's not like the geeks, those gods had many kinds of power and had control over something. Like Zeus could transform and shooot lightnings and stuff. Japanese gods have a duty over something, they have to take care of it, and many times they have no other special skills.

>>54270548
>Mami
>Awful character
Yeah. No.

>>54270534
I actually forgot about NGE when KareKano started. Anno ruined it, though.

How do I most effectively troll experienced Eva fags?

>>54270376
That's actually a complete falsehood.

It was, incredibly popular, especially after the final episode, where it's popularity really soared.

I know the quote you refer to, and it's directed at late-night re-runs, which also were incredibly popular, something which wasn't very usual at the time - this is why it gets special mention.

Not saying it didn't get popular over time, as word spread and re-runs aired, because it did.

It's "big" reaction came after the final episodes.

>>54270564
The reason I compare her to the Greeks is because that's the most widely known and understood answer. Greek Gods are clearly different from the Abrahamic God who controls everything.

>>54270322
>which ones?
Where does one finds their dreams/purpose? What did Mami's mean to them, and how do they cope? How do you deal with tension in friendship?
The idea of power and responsibility in Madoka is pretty stupid, too. It didn't have to be cliche like Spiderman, and it seemed like Madoka was going to take a different direction with it, but ultimately went nowhere.

>>54270520
Madoka didn't do anything original enough to be copied though. Sailor moon had magical girls dying/being brought back to life at the end of arcs years and years ago.

The only difference is that no one wants to watch a 200+ episode show from the early 90's so not many people realize how dark it actually was at times.

>This thread

>>54270534

Quite the opposite really, when both shows character's are designed by the same person. The new season of Hidamari probably will increase the interest of a Madoka SoL spinoff that many of the fans, and even Shinbo himself, wants.

>>54270594
In order to troll experienced Eva Fags, you must be an experienced Eva Fag, and at that point you won't want to troll experienced Eva Fags.

>>54270524

The only things in this thread are assmad Madoka and Eva haters jumping up and down over people liking what they don't like.

>>54270618
>Where does one finds their dreams/purpose?
Madoka found her purpouse in the end.

>What did Mami's mean to them, and how do they cope?
>How do you deal with tension in friendship?
hmm .. were those important to anything?
let me think a little.

>>54270610
We are on a discussion board dedicated to japanese media. Do you think the people here will be more familiar with greek mithology than japanese? You expecting serious discussions here? Let me laugh at you.

>>54270534
Care to explain this rather random interjection?

>>54270629
NGE didn't do all that much original either. It just brought a lot of things together and was successful

>>54270629
It hasn't even been a damn year yet though.

>>54270699
I am, because we're on /a/, not /jp/.

>>54270594
The only trolls who can troll experienced evafags are the experienced evafags themselves, because they know the ins and outs of the subject, and they can hit where it hurts the most.

Usually, when it comes to regular unexperienced trolls, they'll just get everything wrong and be exposed immediately. Their lack of knowledge is their downfall. Conversely, Evangelion itself lends itself to the trolls intention, because it is already very vague and confusing at certain points.
Still, most get it wrong, all the time.

The OP for example, fails miserably.

>>54270578
...
>I smile a lot and am nice to the main characters! But secretly am lonely because am only magical girl in vicinity other than that creepy Homura bitch O NO.
>also i have tits and a short skirt wooooo
That's it. That's her whole character. Least interesting meguca.

>>54270706
It learned a lot from previous shows, and borrowed some elements, but that can be deceiving.
NGE was greater than the sum of its parts, and the whole "piloting your mom" thing is pretty original.

>>54270760
>downplays a character in greentext as if it's surprising that bringing a character down to their base elements makes them seem simple

>>54270706
On this note, I'm waiting for more TTGL-like shows to pop up.

The only one I can think of at the minute is Needless, and even then the Needless manga came out before TTGL.

>>54270760
Did you even watch the show? Or are you just retarded?

>>54270738
I thought it's enough to mention the religious symbolism, or compare it's deepness to shows like Elfen Lied.

>>54270760
I completely agree, and Mami was my favorite character in the whole series.
She had so much potential, especially with her history of how she became a MS, but they just had to kill her off.
Thats pretty much all of what Madoka is, wasted potential.

>>54270839
Then you just get told that the religious symbolism doesn't mean anything.

And no one takes Elfen Lied seriously.

>>54270781
>piloting your mom

>>54270781
Tomino's Ideon and Zeta Gundam did robots with minds before Evangelion.

>>54270618
>What did Mami's mean to them, and how do they cope?

Easy, Mami was their senpai to them, their teacher. Madoka and Sayaka both believed she was the role model of the perfect magical girl: a powerful girl who's powers are used to serve in the name of humanity and justice.

That image of Mami started to crumble when she died. Madoka had doubts she could survive as a magical girl, and because she was so afraid, all she could do was cry. Sayaka however, still held on to Mami's image, and due to circumstances, contracted partially so she can become like Mami.

>>54270850
>>54270760
What more do you want? What ELSE do you want Mami to be?

>People responding seriously and getting mad over an obvious troll thread

I enjoyed Madoka and Eva equally

>>54270865
But that's the point, you try to explain the true, hidden meaning of the crosses and angels and other terms, or you say that you only saw NGE and EL and you loved them both and you need more DEEP shows like them.

>>54270887
And it was the Sayaka ideal that she took from Mami that ultimately led her down her path to despair. She went into tunnel-vision mode trying to pursue that ideal, and ultimately could not handle it.

>>54270887
Finaly someone else who understands it.

>>54270618
Mentor characters dying and not having their backstory elaborated on isn't anything new, it happens in shounens all the time.

>>54270940
>enjoyed madoka and eva equally
>implying madoka is even with eva

>>54270941
No, you just say that the religious symbolism doesn't mean shit. Because it doesn't mean shit. Simple as.

>>54269340
>Highly overrated
I agree, thats why it gets so much hate, I liked it though.
>holy shit what the fuck ending
What the fuck ending? it's pretty straight forward to understand, what are you, fucking stupid?
>Pussy/indecisive lead character (inb4 god)
You're made to think that when in all other loops she is actually useful and the ending, also she's a girl, it's understandable.

>>54270940
Congratulations, you are a tasteless faggot.

>>54270973
You can enjoy both show equally. If you mean everryone should feel a higher level of satisfaction/joy/etc when watching Eva, than you are a 1/10 troll.

>>54271044
You should because Madoka is much shorter than NGE

>>54271121
>length matters

Madoka is cute. That makes her indecisiveness moe instead of annoying. Like a certain male protagonist.

>>54271121
Shorter =Better
Always

>>54270968
>Mentor characters dying and not having their backstory elaborated on isn't anything new, it happens in shounens all the time.
Another bad excuse, along the same lines as "Oh but it was only 13 episodes, so its okay to force stuff."

>>54270887
But Mami was fundametally different than Sayaka or Madoka. She had no choice in becoming a MS. Her power came out of necessity to live, where Madoka and Sayaka could turn back any time.

I think Mami could have been a worse antagonist than Kyubey. She was selfish, only wanted friends, and would try to pull both of them into becoming MS. It would have made for better, more natural drama, consistent with the conflicts established earlier.

>>54271207
Are you sure, because I thought she was pretty annoying and not cute at all.

>>54271044
He's right, you know? Why do you even argue?

>Friends fan
>Argues about Friends or Seinfeld being the best sitcom
>Seinfeld fan
>Knows that Seinfeld is the best sitcom. After all, Friends came after and is influenced by it. Neither does he imply that Seinfeld wasn't influenced by other things before it.

>>54271232

Not viewing it in WIDEscreen then.

>>54271207
>implying Shinji isn't moe

>>54271133
>implying length doesn't matter
>laughinghwhores.jpg

I lol'd.

>>54271230

It doesn't matter if Mami, in the inside, was actually different. From the outside, from her facade, Mami seemed like the perfect magical girl to Madoka and Sayaka. While Madoka started to had doubts that after Mami died, Sayaka still held on to Mami, and which is partially why she contracted.

>>54271228
If you have ADD, sure.

>>54271248
This reminds me, I should get the BDs.

>>54271299

And also, Sayaka holding on to Mami's ideals and her own ideals is what made her conflict with Kyouko in the first place. Even more dramatic is the fact that Kyouko once also held the same ideals as Sayaka and Mami.

And because Sayaka still held on to her ideals is what led to her downfall.

Sayaka reminded Kyouko of how she used to be, which is why she tried to befriend Sayaka and help her out. Sayaka's downfall also meant the downfall of Kyouko, since they both shared similar ideals.

>>54271299
I get that, I know how mentors work. What I am saying is that the show made Mami into to a cliche archetype, even though there was so much potential to be much more. It would have been a better show altogether had they thought through what they made initially, instead of backing to done-before stories.

>OP is completely correct
Yup. Both are shit.

>>54271583
Hey bro, why don't you write a fanfic about the better version of the show and see how popular it becomes. That way it can be made into a manga by someone who can draw, and maybe even animated one day because it'll be that popular.

>>54271583

Opinions I guess. I'm sorry the story didn't play out like you wanted.

>this fucking thread

>This whole thread

>bawww I h8 pupoular stuff DX

>>54271583
You need to watch episode 10.
Mami snaping was her character development.

>>54271648
>>54271682
I wouldn't be this disappointed if it wasn't for the fact that this was the direction that things seemed to take. Instead, they threw in a twist for sake of a twist. This never happens in other shows. Madoka had a lot of ideas but never finished a damn thought.

>>54271783
>This never happens in other shows
hahahaha

>This thread

But Meduka isn't deep. At least not enough. It's not even in Lain level.

>>54271756
I wish people could be banned for using this image. It's so overused.

>>54269949
>Keep 13
>Add mechs
>Reverse everything else
Bokurano in a nutshell.

>>54271783
>Instead, they threw in a twist for sake of a twist

I know this is still opinions, but I disagree with that.

Mami's death is the catalyst to Sayaka's development.

For Madoka it isn't as apparent, but Mami's death was also the first step for her to realize what a magical girl is and what wish she would make at the end of the story,

This is an excellent deconstruction of the thread genre. 10/10, would read again.

>>54271854
Im with this anon.
Only reasonable person in this whole thread.

>This entire thread

>This fucking thread

>>54271878
Agreed.

>>54271944
DEEPER

>>54271783
See >>54271822
Dude, I think most of the shows I watch I wish they actually fucking answered my questions. Madoka did exactly the opposite to some extent. It left some open-ended ideas, but it's nothing special. Same with Eva. Want a failed sense of closure? Let a good adaptation of a Manga/LN fail, despite being good (Say Zakuro). How about author existance failure? (Kaze no Stigma)

I like Meduka, I would recommend it to others. But fuck, people who watch it are fucking retards. Almost EVA level.

>The posts in this thread

>>54272014
Can you include me in your screencaps?

>>54271960

WE HAVE TO GO DEEPWIDER

>Jesus Christ, this thread

>>54271854
See the thing is, Mami's death was a tragic twist, meant to spur on more tragedy. Except the thing about tragedy is that you need to develop the characters and situation better, things like hamartia, else you lose the cathartic effect when the tragedy actually happens. Madoka didn't establish much of anything besides, "oh they are dumb little girls." Why should I care that things happen to them? There is a reason why classic tragedies happen to "Great Men", where they plummet further from the tragedy. I'm totally okay with Madoka doing a tragedy for little girls, that would be a well-done new take on an old idea. But sadly, it was all executed badly.

The foundation of the series, which is Mami's tragic death, wasn't tragic at all, just unfortunate.

>>54272206
>The foundation of the series, which is Mami's tragic death, wasn't tragic at all, just unfortunate.
And what makes you think, that is not truth?
I never looked at Mami's death as tragedy, but plot-moving event. It was not supposed to bring forth any emotions. Only show, that story will not dick around.

>This thread, man

>>54272170
>>54272378
>Taking photos instead of screenshots

>This
>Fucking
>Thread

>>54272284
>I never looked at Mami's death as tragedy, but plot-moving event. It was not supposed to bring forth any emotions.
Thats why it was a twist for the sake of a twist. Its a weak point of the show if something like that doesn't bring any emotions.

More importantly. the use of a forced tragic event that early on pushes the whole show into the post-trauma stage even though there was no proper development. All that happens post-trauma is therefore pointless, making the whole show a forced tragedy.

>>54272206
It's objective fact that the event had a powerful effect on the audience and produced a huge response from fans. If it doesn't meet your definition of classical tragedy, it simply doesn't need to, since the desired effect on the audience was achieved.

If you, personally, didn't feel anything, that's irrelevant, because the audience as a whole did. I can say Shakespeare's works were just boring tripe we had to wade through to get grades in high school, and the only argument you can make against that is it's just my opinion and everyone else disagrees.