IROHA SMOKIN' HER CRACK.png

>The problem with anime

Stopped reading there

>>48229848
You made a mistake, keep reading.

>If people dont fuck anime is dead

You couldve at least blamed moe

Well this thread is going to go to shit really fast.

It's there because 99% of people who watch anime are kissless virgins.
So they want their protag to be a fellow beta fag so he can relate to him.
And when said beta fag protag gets his harem, beta fag watcher feels like he has some kind of chance to actually bag a decent girl.
Really just beta fags using animes as a release

And that is why we watch/read Bleach.
Fuck, Kubo doesn't even draw panyshots.

>>48229829

Fuck your shit

>>48229864
Moe is not the problem, it was born from the problem. I like Moe because it avoids a lot of cliches. Though, its creating new ones.

>>48229873
But then you end up in a rut and drive away the rest of your audience. Its not worth pandering to virgins when they do not make up the majority.

The anime industry isn't failing. Also, unresolved sexual tension is not limited to anime, nor to high schools.

>>48229873


>kissless virgins beta fags

so how are you liking hanasaku so far?

>pure mc

Oh god, back to the K-On threads with you.

>wait, he write a lot so I can't just troll him by saying "lol tl;dr". I have to read him.
>finished reading
>...

Why I did that...

The sexual tension is the best part of any relationship.

After sex, it all ends. They are a couple. How great. How boring.

There is no "problem", sales of anime are doing better than basically ever before; anime is taking more of a public root in Japan and is still growing wildly in popularity worldwide.

The only problem is in the heads of people like OP who project what they wish anime was more like to their own idealistic vision.

Also lots of people in anime do fuck. It's called hentai. There's also a million and one doujins out there of everyone fucking anything in any way possible. In fact the doujin market is the major driver of Comiket which means that the major source of revenue coming in from the biggest anime/manga expo in Japan is primarily from people buying lots of doujins. If the original authors don't want to besmirch the purity of their characters then they just won't, and anyone else who wants to draw their moments of coming of age is free to do so. Also part of the appeal of 2d is that the characters can be more pure and agreeable than usually exists in the real world; if 2d girls were more true to life and were callous, incredibly selfish sluts, then it'd lose a lot of its appeal.

>>48229873

I agree with you, except for me I think shows like Tenchi Muyo or Big O when the MC is badass and gets the girl.

I guess it's because I still have hope!

Yeah, all that sexual tension between Revy and Rock sure made Black Lagoon one of the shittiest shows ever.

Go kill yourself, OP.

>>48229918
I never said it was limited to those but its become ever more present the more that shows revolve around highs school kids.

>She already has one guy that wants to fuck her brains out. If they do you can bet it will go down in the archives with shows like Clannad.
...There was no rape in Clannad...

>The problem with anime
Nope.jpg
Also, Inb4 YostubaC.

>>48229989

fukken saved.

>>48229967
There are shit tons of shows that have the characters fucking on and off screen, without being hentai.

>>48229829
So the culmination of two people's feelings for one another, isn't a mutual realization or admittance of their love, but rather...
>JUST FUCK ALREADY

Huh.

>>48230043
Like what?

>>48229864
This episode used to scare the crap out of me

>The problem with anime

I stopped right there. There is no problem.

The anime industry isn't failing
sexual tension > resolved sexual tension
The removal of sexual tension leaves a show with a complete absence of driving force. While shows like Lucky Star and K-ON gained success, and removed men from the equation, it's naive to think that removing men from the equation will automatically make a show better.

Oh look, the kiddy has learnt something people have known for centuries: sex sells

>>48230043
Hell, there are shows out there that even have them have sex and still aren't hentai.

Example: Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.

That sexual tension is just lazy writing
Instead of, "Hey, lets make a real moving story"
They say
"Hey, lets just make MC and Girl #1 trip and fall on each other then spend the rest of the episode not making eye contact."

Op, your other problem is that you also only seem to watch a particular genre of anime, and are basing your views on that small sample.

>>48230067
Like the one from the picture I posted.

>>48230114

It isn't lazy writing, it's about pandering to the market.

Anime apparently costs money to produce.

>Some shows with teenagers have employed Cute Girls doing Cute things. Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>fantastic results.
>fantastic results.
>fantastic results

>>48230150
And it costs less to come up with a cheap script than have someone write a good story. Good stories dont grow on trees.

In my opinion, its not even the tension, its the whole focus on sex that ruins the anime for me. Cute girls doing sexually suggestive things are everywhere. In any given season 9 anime out of 10 would be about sex and relationship.
Well, I do realize that this is what sells, especially to the target audience - teenagers. Still, often I wish there would be more really mature anime, and not just DEEP and MATURE grimdark anime with panties, sex, blood and violence.
OTOH almost every season I do get a thoughtful anime, and as I dont watch anymore and have old anime to catch up to, its usually enough.

I think the OP is transplanting his own sense of unfulfilled sexual arousal into the main character.
"Ahh, if I were him I would just fuck her already."
Perhaps, however, that isn't what the character in question would do, nor is it what the story calls for.

>Some shows with teenagers have employed >Cute Girls doing Cute things. Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.

>Kare Kano
>Clannad
They fucked in both of those.

>>48230298
that was the point....

Kaiji

/thread

>>48229829
>Kara Kano

>>48230220

The Japs wouldn't do such risky things. Especially established anime studios.

These mature firms will only care about one thing and one thing only, survival. So they will rarely if ever take a gamble that they don't believe they can win.

>>48230114
This. Most recent shows involving romance i've seen are just endless postponing of the main couple getting together. Throughout the show they both wants to fuck each other, but they are always hindered in the last moment by... well, lazy writing.

So i think op has a point. Either make a real romance with real problems, or don't dramatize the romance so fucking much. I've seen few anime with casual relationships.

>>48230067
Genshiken.

>>48229966
>have sex
>are couple
>end of growth of relationship
This is why you are sad and alone.

What do you mean by sexual tension? I can't follow you OP.

>Its not worth pandering to virgins when they do not make up the majority.

I disagree. Niche markets can be lucrative. Looking at photos of the rooms of hikis, you can tell some of them blew thousands on titles and accessories. Or take horo musuko for example. Trannies are a minority but just a few of them throwing their welfare check/parents money at transgender mangas and shota trap ona holes can turn a handsome profit.

Ookami-san sucked, OP, regardless of implied sex

A lot of Anime is marketed towards Japanese teenagers, that's why. If it sells, why not continue to make it?

Also Bakemonogatari had a monogamous relationship, it broke from the mold.

>>48230358
Yeah, shows like Zero, where the relationship goes on endlessly and if they make any progress, it sets reset to phase one in the next scene. An endless recursion of sexual tension.

I personally, would like to see more couples getting together, like in Eureka 7. That show had some tension but it was rare. Mostly they were just kids enjoying each other.

>>48230367

"Relationships" at that stage however, are better used in live action as a medium.

Would you really watch an anime about a couple in their 30's arguing about not being able to pay the bills, husband being a drunkard and stuff like that?

After the "They lived happily ever after" part, their lives dull down.

>>48230367

It's the truth, unless they get married and have kids and so on.

I don't think the market who watch anime would want to watch an anime that goes that far. Clannad was decent, but I can't imagine many of them being successful.

Unless of course the anime aren't focused on relationships (as you seem to think all anime are about romance).

>>48230358

Again its about what sells. It isn't lazy, it's about ensuring you get enough money to live your life at the end of the season.

The otaku market has grown, and now all these animators, sieyuu and execs need to get fed.

If they take a gamble, it could cost them their livlihoods.

>>48229861
>I see now why the anime industry is failing

No. I did the right thing.

>>48230410
If one wastes time on shows like Zero no Tsukaima and thinks that is THE INDUSTRY, that individual should:
1. stop being a retard
2. watch more anime
3. kill themselves
4. all of the above

>>48230428

Some shows cater to different groups of people. There are Anime shows geared towards adults. Stop acting like Anime is a genre that has to fit a certain mold.

>>48230328
>The Japs wouldn't do such risky things.
Well, just this season alone we already have Kaiji and Hyougomono and couple others, series that do not rely on sex in any way or form. Japs can make pretty good anime without using sex or sex tension as a driving force behind the plot. The problem is, its much easier to just exploit the lust of your average 16yo viewer, rather then creating interesting plot and characters.

>>48230367
Oh shit son

>>48230428
>After the "They lived happily ever after" part, their lives dull down.
This is why you are sad and alone.

I hate it when the MC puts in no effort to get his harem.
Most popular girl in school? Find her kitten and she'll fuck you.
Smartest girl in school(who is also smokin hot)? Find her notes and she'll fuck you.
Girl every guy wants to fuck, but she refuses them? Open her soda can for her and she'll fuck you.
Your teacher? Listen to her while she's drunk and she'll fuck you.
Mysterious transfer student? Be forced to give her the tour of campus and she'll fuck you,
Childhood friend? Have your parents die and 10 years later she'll fuck you.

Like most of these shitty romance animes, the MC doesn't do anything that should be worth a girl's time, yet he gets them to throw their panties at him.
Whereas there's no doubt alpha males out there who are about over 9000 times more worthy of popping their cherry.

>>48230428
>>48230439
Thanks to the wonders of the human mind and fiction. Everyday like can be gloified.

You jump to the conclusion that any story about a married couple has to be full of unhappy bickering. I would imagine that you would also expect a show about Cops to be a show about a black and white rolling around writing people tickets for 30 minutes.

Its called creative writing. A couples doesnt have to fall out of love after the had sex and got married. Dont project your own broken homes on to anime.

>>48230428
Somewhere between anime's "OMG ARE WE GOING TO KISS IN EPISODE 26???" and couples bickering in their 30's, there are vast tracts of material waiting to be explored

>>48230504
sorry for the spelling errors, it was written in haste.q

>>48230428
Not solely about that, but most anime that are solely about teenagers falling in love are rubbish as well.

However as a relationship that's in a series focused on something else, i.e. not a pure romance series, couples are awesome.

>>48230461
> Stop acting like Anime is a genre that has to fit a certain mold.
But looking at the released anime, and /a/s reaction to it, it certainly seems as there is a mold, any most anime that does not fit risks to get very low ratings and fade into obscurity.

>>48230462

I was obviously generalising. I'd write more but if you don't get my point, it would take too much effort to explain it to you.

>>48230504
>>48230461
>>48230512

Same as the above.

Just buy more dvds. It's as simple as that.

People have to get paid. Your complaining won't do anything.

>>48230536
>But looking at the released anime
uh huh..


>and /a/s reaction to it
FULL RETARD

If you replaced "anime" with almost any other medium, it would be the same shit.

1/10 for attempt at variation.

>>48229966
>After sex, it all ends. They are a couple. How great. How boring.

Yeah, it sure is. That would never sell. Because it's boring and unfunny. Nothing original here,

>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>fantastic results.

Yea "RIGHT"..........

Pic related : this is the kind of anime that must be produced instead of the crapload that's been made now...

Anime writers need a reason to pull off fanservice these days.

So yes, sexual tension is a PLOT device.

>>48230620
But KnK wasn't very good. It was kind of pretty, but that's about it.

Cute = awesome
Moe = cockteasing
Fanservice = relief

>>48230536

>>most anime that does not fit risks to get very low ratings and fade into obscurity.

Got any examples of anime that broke the mold and faded into obscurity? Because I think those anime tend to be very successful.

>>48230598

The market you fool, the market.

Do you think people would be willing to pay to watch it? Do you think the people who watch anime would be willing to watch it?

It's like complaining why there are no philosophical or historical anime being produced. It's all about the money.

I'd love it if Historie or some would get animated, but it's obviously not going to sell well - the chance that it does is to low, for the cowardly yellows to take that risk.

>>48230620
KnK is shit, quit being all impressed by good animation/budget, that's not what fucking makes an anime good.

>>48230598
Talking about teenagers here, not old men.
>>48230626
So you are saying that you can show panties if you are in a healthy relationship?

>>48230498
>MC puts in no effort to get his harem
Its called escapism.
The more I look at anime, the more I realize that maybe, just maybe, those old farts ranting about how anime has ruined the youth could be right. Anime has created its perfect audience, who want to consume more and more mindless series in attempt to forget about their lives. And they cant escape, as they have nowhere to escape to. Instead of trying to teach otaku life lessons, or showing acts of real human spirit, anime studios pander to otaku fetishes.
Oh well, as long as it sells, right? Thats how it is, do all you can to make money, cause they dont smell, right?

>>48229829
So true. Just watched School Rumble.

... Like, how could Tenma and Harima NOT get together at some point? That was the fucking premise of the show! The show dragged on and turned to shit by the start of season 2, but they could've AT LEAST given us what we watched the show for all along!

At some point they started pushing her sister and that Ojou at him, advances that he declined because he was in love. DUH! Again, that was the PREMISE of the show!

Besides, Karasuma was a mess of characterization with no personality, who the FUCK wanted to see him end up with Tenma!? I was half expecting him to turn out to be a metaphor by the end of the series... But no, BAAAWWWW I'M SICK.

YES I MAD

>>48230678

You put yourself in their place and say the same thing you retard.

Not everyone gets whatever they want by simply asking mommy and daddy.

>>48230709
Same shit happened in Zero and many other shows. I really grow tired of it. I watched two fucking season. I want my time back.

>>48230678

Here, finish your blog post.

http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/how-to-write-your-own-blog-post-on-moe-decadence

>>48230709

If Tenma had chosen Harima she's have been a slut.

School Rumble was about comedy romance, not shitty romance in itself.

>>48230709
Yeah. The third season really sucked.

>>48230756
Good read, thank you.

>>48229829
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.
>Shows like K-ON and Lucky Star remove men from the equation and avoided this cliche with fantastic results.

How the HELL did you let this crappy topic get replies, /a/?

You're a moron, OP. You are a moron without equal. Cute girls are the commonality in all anime today, and it's killed the industry. Otaku don't want men in their series because they want the girls for themselves. THAT'S why there's sexual tension and no sex - the otaku feel NTR'd if fictional males have sex with "their" women. Moefags have killed the industry.

>>48230842

Buy more dvds then you retard. You retarded little shits who just leech of the people who actually fund the industry have no right to complain.

There is no sex, kissing, or even coupling in anime because this man wants the female characters for himself, and breaks out in sweat and hives if the male character gets the girl.

>>48230842
>How the HELL did you let this crappy topic get replies, /a/?
>Moefags have killed the industry.

troll/10

An American might go "D'AWWWWW" when the boy kisses the girl, but Toshi over here starts crying and remembering all the times he got beat up in high school by the thug kids, while their Tokyo bitch girlfriends watched and laughed at his tiny penis.

>>48230842

10/10

>>48230911
OP is complaining that anime is just full of sexual tension, then trying to claim that moe is the answer. If anything, this thread is a troll thread.

Moe is a symptom of the same problem. If anything, it's the next stage in the disease. First otaku start getting jealous of male leads, so they make all the girls celebrate. Next, they get rid of guys altogether and just have ditzy girls frolic around and eat cake.

>>48230842
>Implying LS didn't have guys around
>Making up bullshit and killed because you don't like a particular format and premise

0/10

>>48230956

see >>48229989 for my face when I read OP's and your posts.

>>48230956
Then you did not understand what you read. Moe was one of a few examples of how to avoid it. You are a nitwit.

>>48230956

Solution: Buy the merchandise of anime you want to keep being produced.

There is no problem in anime. You are not part of the industry. You're just a leech.

>>48230956
>symptom
>problem
>disease
>generalization and full retard
>doesn't know what moe actually means

>>48230987
This really isn't up for debate. It's a fact that even the Japanese accept. Moe exists because otaku think of the characters as their waifus. 2D love is srs bsns over there. It's not just some joke used as an excuse to make an image dump thread. In Japan, the sensitivity of geeks moves around millions of dollars.

-otaku hate men
-that's why moe is made
-that's why moe sells
-that's why we have the sexual tension OP described

I think a much bigger problem is that anime is getting increasingly immature and the styles more and more generic.
Or maybe I've just outgrown anime.

I told you, this isn't up for debate. Moefags hate men. They hate all men everywhere, fictional and otherwise, except themselves.

It wasnt even implied sex in Ookami, as it was said he just wanted to see the guys reaction to it.

tl;dr No sex/implied sex in Ookami

>>48231056
I feel you. If i didnt love anime art i would have given up this hobby. But I cant give it up, its beautiful.

I just wish we could get better stories than Otaku pandering shit. We need more things like Clannad, thats willing to take a risk and do something different and tell the Otaku to fuck off. Because sometimes it works.

>>48231080

The problem is the few lovable male characters. Removing men from equation? Losing half the fanbase. Seriously, more cute boys doing cute things can boost sales with BOTH gender (just look how popular was Jun, Hideyoshi, Kaiji, and most recently Ayumu). Anime industry realizing so slowly this, (except Bandai).

>>48231084
Then you didnt watch the show very carfully. Fucking moron, let me explain it to you. The black haired girl that was fat in school, sucked or fucked the white haired guy. That was the reference to Ookami.

>>48230653

>historical anime

Actually there are. But just fashioned in a way that's sure to attracr potential buyers and not a full blown docudrama.

>>48231106

Why hasn't this been posted yet.

3 words that explains the popularity of mainstream media regardless if it's in the east, west, etc...

LOWEST. COMMON. DENOMINATOR.

"Moeshit" has stewed it all down to LOOK AT THE PRETTY SHINIES.

>>48231131
I was going to ask for sauce but if you dont even care enough to name it right, it must be shit. Keep your source.

You see this pathetic waste of space right here? He married a dating sim character. In his mind, fictional girls belong to him. How do you think he'd feel if some male character took his girl? And how much money do you think he spends on crappy games and anime every month?

Exactly. That's why there's no romance anymore.

sex is the one thing that doesn't sell in anime. sex will kill a series. even implied sex will make a series lose a star. in a romance, sex is like a taboo word. nobody wants to read about how Ariel got married to the prince and experienced painful deflowering and anal sex for the first time as she goes and talks about the awful night to Sebastian and makes jokes about how she's too sore to sit down.

people want a magical love story or an awesome shounen where the MC is to busy to think about girls. they don't want to hear how many Cherries Chad has popped or why his nickname is "The Hammer"

>>48231133

>>48231056
>I think a much bigger problem is that anime is getting increasingly immature and the styles more and more generic.

Pretty much this. Anime was never good. Every season we have the same shit and you need to choose carefully what you're going to watch.
I love Lucky Star, K-On and [insert a cute girl doing cute thing anime] but let's be honest, this kind of thing is about nothing. You have four or five girls doing nothing but talking about... nothing. And I mean it makes money. How? Why? Why do I like these kind of shitty anime?

>>48230956
>First otaku start getting jealous of male leads, so they make all the girls celebrate
>celebrate

>>48231185
You're full of crap. When was the last time you saw anyone kiss in anime? Hell, when was the last time you saw anyone become a couple?

Don't try to put this on sex. The Japanese don't want anyone getting together, because it makes them realize how pathetic their own lives are.

>>48231202
moe is to anime as sitcom is to television

Both are popular, have situational humor, and are about absolutely nothing.

>>48230956
>First otaku start getting jealous of male leads

I agree. That's why we have so many shitty generic harem anime. The bad thing is: not everyone is a fan of this kinda thing. I personally think harem is stupid and boring, with the same girls everytime, dense mc and shitty ending.

>>48231172
I see your point and now i see why sexual tension is rampant in anime. That includes everyone else who has stated this already.

However, there has to be a market if there are people like me watching it and wanting more than that same old otaku pandering shit.

>>48231236

K-ON! vs Inazuma Eleven

3971 vs 148798 fanart on Pixiv

I bet only one Inazuma game made more profit that K-on ever realized from dvds.

>>48231056
>the styles more and more generic

>>48231206
>Hell, when was the last time you saw anyone become a couple?
Just recently in
Bubbles and Sparkles - The Animation S2.

>>48231236
Most of them are sitcoms to a degree, but there is much less comedy in them and much more "kyaa, loock at how cute i am."

>>48231206
Last anime kiss watched: Star Driver

ITT: People who steal complaining about that which they steal.

ITT idiots playing media critic and pulling shit out of their asses

>>48231303
>>48231310
ITT: samefagging

>>48231320
I think you mean ITTmind.

>>48231320

Whatever you say, armchair critic of grorious nipponese cartoons.

Well do Otaku really get jealous of MCs who gets the girls?
I mean, there's very few girls who are single to the end of the series as there are to those who get some kind of boyfriend.

If studios were really pandering to Otakus, wouldn't they like makes MC get one generic girl and have tons of side characters

>>48231320
>implying can samefag that fast

Christ. This thread is dildos and retarded. So are the people trolling and making absurd claims and statements, acting as if they know what they're talking about.

>>48231341
>implying I was criticizing anything
get off your high horse you butthurt fag

Ok what about Toradora. There was sexual tension but not between Taiga and the MC. They avoided common sexual tension and made it fresh. There was not any tension until the last couples episodes when they got together.

How then, did Otaku handle it? He got Taiga, that means the Otaku lost. Sure they never got around to fucking, unless that one night... However there was little doubt that they would be.

Toradora was extremely popular and Taiga is very popular. They just had to reprint one of her Models.

>>48231367

>>48231262
>3971 vs 148798 fanart on Pixiv
What? How'd you manage to get such a low count for K-On!? I just checked and got 55296 results.

Nope. The reason's still moe and the rediculous amount of stock that creators and fans put into 'purity'. Seriously, it's the most embarrassing, filthy, skeevy, hypocritical concept ever.

>>48231279
Shoujo made for girls and bought by girls.

>>48231294
Mecha made for fujoshi and bought by fujoshi.

>>48231425
It's only the otaku that insist on 'purity'. The creators are but a slave to the masses, save for some exceptions.

>>48231378
Holy shit, I just realized that was what made the relationship between those two so interesting. They had not tension and were casual with each other, like a married couple. AND IT WORKED.

Thats Clannad, Toradora and Kara Kano, all three successful. The concept is there and it works.

>>48231393

>>48231462

Then you cool guys should buy those romance anime and fund more of them instead of complaining about the loser otaku who only buy moe.

>>48231425
It's all the fans. The creators are just making what sells. According to director interviews, it's too expensive to make an anime these days, unless you can make a return on blu ray sales. And the only people who are idiot enough to by blu rays are hardcore geeks into the otaku subculture.

>>48231425
>>48231473
>Implying purity is somehow a bad thing

Purity existed even before moe

>>48231478
There's nothing wrong with awkwardness. Awkwardness is realistic and interesting. The problem is awkwardness without a payoff.

>>48231526

>implying that makes it a good thing and still not a hypocritcal, fetishistic, selfish desire

No, you retard.

>>48231546

All you complainers have your answer. You gotta buy more merchandise.

You have got the solution to your problem, stop shittying up this board now with their worthless complaining.

>>48231546
>hurapdurp is killing the anime industry!
>calling someone else a retard

nope

>>48231526
"Purity" is just an excuse. Otaku don't give a damn about the girls being pure; they just don't want to imagine anyone else taking them. They want the girls to all be naive, childish virgins who don't think about sex, so they can pretend they're married to them.

I mean, you know those creepy guys who get obsessive stalker crushes on women and break down when the women start dating another guy? That's what otaku are, but it's directed towards anime characters.

>>48231478
Maybe it's that much harder to write so that producers more willingly goes with the simpler genres, because they know that will sell too.

>>48231501
We get it. No one here even said they pirates. That's not what the discussion is about.

>>48231546
Bawww and upset much? It's a good thing for the fact it pleases people and is something possible because it's 2D fiction, meaning perfection is attainable.

Deal with it.

>>48231567

I buy reasonable amounts. I don't like flaunting my 'power level' because figurines and posters are garish. I don't do the same things for movies I enjoy or games. I pick out maybe a poster of two from a medium and put it up (like my Summer Wars poster), but I buy plenty of manga and anime. And I watch it when it airs.

It's nowhere near as expensive as people claim to run an anime. I work in advertising, so I've seen the figures Japanese advertising gets. And it's way, way higher than America, Britain, Germany etc. etc.. They should be able to make anime more easily than we make any kind of big, epic TV show with the money they get.

Too greedy. Just too greedy.

>>48231588
For a sentence that had two "buy"'s in it you sir, clearly missed the point by saying it was about piracy.

>>48231544
Too much awkwardness becomes annoying though, but maybe that's just me since people loved KnT.

T'was also a fair wait for the payoff there.

>>48231581

So, what's the problem here then? I don't see any problems here...

>>48231614

It's not perfection. It's submission to a sole will. It's making the whole girl yours. It's the most repugnant, imperfect desire of all.

>>48231581
That's what purity has always been about. They haven't had sex before so there's no competition or comparison. They haven't even thought about sex in detail so there's no competition even more so. And now that I can have sex with her, she's all I'll think about. It's the most misogynistic viewpoint I've ever seen. A giant reflection of the insecurities of the viewer. Instead of indulging them, we should be helping to pry them out of such insecurities. That's what plagues their daily lives.

>>48231616

Blame the Japanese media industry, advertising doesn't do shit for late-night anime that requires actual money in order to get them in a timeslot in the first place.

So where does Toradora fit in to this Otaku driven industry? Taiga is immensely popular with Otaku and shes with Ryuji.

The true problem is the disconnect between the mainstream viewers and the viewers who actually pay money.

Most of the points here are thrown out the window because the vast majority of us don't buy merchandise, don't watch the commercials from sponsors, and don't pay for the BDs.

I'm not implying all of us should empty our wallets, but the fact is that anime is an industry more than an art.
And the industry can only make a profit margin by catering to paying customers.
Technology is partially to blame. Disc sales and TV ratings are down for obvious reasons, so there's more focus on the other stuff: merchandise.

>>48231672

I wouldn't call it misogynistic. What's wrong with desiring a pure woman who you can ravish as you want?

Why not play Hikari Genji?

>>48231672
>repugnant
Spoken like a real femanon

>>48231425

No it's not. It's an idealization, like of bravery or beauty or whatever.

>>48231617
Maybe you could tell me what else it could be about. Assuming we all here already buy the stuff we like (not likely, but still) there is not much more we can do. Buy it again? Buy things we don't really want? That's crazy talk, nigga.

Better, then, would be if we could directly sponsor the studios/shows we like, but that's also pretty crazy for the average schmuck.

>>48231638
The problem is that we don't have romance in anime anymore because otakus are pathetic faggots.

-boys can't kiss girls
-couples can't get together
-male characters can't be interesting, if they're even present at all
-cute, childish school girls are shoved into every series

I mean, anime has never been that big on romance, but things are worse than ever. And I miss my badass, devil-may-care heroes.

>>48231710
>Thinks anime mainstream viewers.

What time do these shows usually come on TV?

>>48231696
Same category as any other romance anime.

ITT: butthurt femanon slut envious and mad over the beautiful crystallization and idealization of purity.

>>48231713

Defining the best attributes of a woman to be those you can sexually manipulate without any kind of interference? How is that not misogynistic?

>>48231730

No it's not. That's what fat otaku like to tell themselves. 'It's a desire for good!' It's a fear of everything real about people and relationships. It's a closed off little hugbox where everything is nice and dainty. Not because it's good. Who does it benefit? One person: the male. Women don't benefit shit for being 'pure'. No-one around them does, either. The word itself having a positive connotation is the one thing that makes the concept seem good.

>>48231713
BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, FAGGOT

Stop self inserting. Just enjoy the damn piece of fiction like a normal human being. You're not supposed to pretend you're Indiana Jones - you're supposed to enjoy the character Indiana Jones doing cool things. You're not supposed to imagine yourself getting together with whatever bespectacled, bookish scientist James Bond seduced - you're supposed to cheer for him that he got her.

Stop living in the 2D world.

>>48231794
>Stop living in the 2D world.
>on /a/

>>48231751

>I miss my badass, devil-may-care heroes.

They're still there, but sadly your heroes have become raging homosexuals thanks to fujoshi.

Because of this, anime is starting to split into /y/ and /u/.

>>48231767
But how do you explain her popularity with Otaku?

>>48231824
Same as any other tsundere.

>>48231783
> ITT: butthurt femanon slut envious and mad over the beautiful crystallization and idealization of purity.
This is what butthurt /a/non actually believes. ^_^

>>48231790

I'm not disrespecting you guys. I want an ideal girl(harem), what's wrong with that.

>>48231794

Bwahahahahahaha.jpg

Do you even understand the point of media - it's about escapism.

A kid watches superman, he wants to be superman.

A girl reads a romantic novel, she wants to live her own romance.

An otaku watches a self-insert harem, he wants his own harem.

>>48231848
In other words, you have nothing.

>>48231856

>I want an ideal girl(harem)
Okay, now I know you're trolling.

>>48231812
You're missing the point of what he was trying to say. He wasn't saying that we shouldn't care about 2D more than 3D. What he meant is that protagonists are not stand-ins for the audience to insert themselves into the story.

>>48231794
>Indiana Jones and Bond not self-inserts
Relatability is a core component of any decent character. I dare say if you haven't imagined yourself as India Jones punching Nazis and riding motorcylces, you haven't lived. Or dreamed. Or whatever it is you're doing when you do that.

Either way, they were definitely written to be something that the common man could relate to.

>>48231710
Are you saying that moe stuff sells more merchandise because it's designed to make the fans fall in love with the characters rather than the show itself, kind like mech shows are commercials for toys to a degree? And shows with actual thought put into them - with an actual plot (for example) - doens't sell as much merchandise because the fans like the show itself and not the visual things in the show.

Well, then that's just the way things are. People who like designs will buy stuff with that design, and people who like substance will generally at most buy the dvds.

Otaku have a Pygmalion complex.

They create an artificial girl to their liking with traits that cannot be seen on real woman. They loved it so much, but unlike Pygmalion, their concept of an ideal girl isnt made a reality.

>>48231877

I'm absolutely serious.

What's wrong with desiring? Or are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to desire?

I want a godly harem. What's wrong with that?

>>48231751
Your basis for this comes from where?

>-boys can't kiss girls
Bullshit. Tons of otaku series' romance comedy make a huge thing about kissing, and is often a plot device.
>-couples can't get together
This is nonsense. Half the time, the MC always ends up with a girl or is paired up with one.
>-male characters can't be interesting, if they're even present at all
Sure, lots of harem MCs are like this, but this isn't a universal issue. Males not being around at all isn't even an issue in most series with a premise that makes such a design work. Most common series that has such a direction would be SoL series. A cast of girls and the plot focuses on them, and them alone. So what?
>-cute, childish school girls are shoved into every series
I don't even see how this is a bad thing. Stop acting like this is a bad thing.

The "Purity" thing is not new. It was one of the pillars of the western civilization. That's what made beta men work hard and sacrifice themselves, for their families. You wouldn't have a harem, but at least you'd got a real waifu.

Now it's all about bitches and whores, assholes and alpha douches. Betas and omegas flee to escapism, and the world crumbles.

And if somebody thinks this is misogynist, we'll that's though.

>>48231856
>Do you even understand the point of media - it's about escapism.
What about watching news?

>>48231893

Relatability is a poor man's replacement for a well-thought out motivation. Any well versed reader would know that.

>>48231912

I was generalising you retard. Your point is not relevant.

>>48231751

You have a point. There are very few anime protagonists I've actually liked- Spike, Hei and so on. Others are either *too* hotblooded, too beta, or just too goddamn stupid.

It sounds weird, but I watch shows for the main character, too.

>>48231912

The news is all a bunch of lies anyway.

Even if it wasn't the shit on the news is almost always so far detracted from you that it makes literally no difference to your life in the slightest.

>>48231913
Indiana Jones and James Bond aren't really written to be thought-provoking pieces of literature.

I do agree with the notion that some characters are written without the idea of self-insertion in mind, but the two characters mentioned above do not fall into this category.

>>48231856
>A kid watches superman, he wants to be superman.
>A girl reads a romantic novel, she wants to live her own romance.
>An otaku watches a self-insert harem, he wants his own harem.

There's a distinct difference between self-insertion and wishing to have the same. A kid who reads Superman comics usually doesn't want to be Superman himself. He may want to become his own super hero, but that's an entirely different thing from him thinking something like "Superman should have done such and such here. That's what I would have done."

>>48231929

Funny how you say you liked Spike when he was one of the stupidest male leads I've seen.

>>48231909
You're missing the point. Once again, with otaku, IT'S NOT ABOUT PURITY.

Traditional purity held that women, even fictional ones, should remain virgins until marriage. If a story ending with Clark Gable bringing down the Walls of Jericho, the audience cheered.

Otaku "purity", however, is about wanting the girls for themselves.

>>48231935

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Someone doesn't understand what information is. :3

>>48231945

Keep on believing that. :3

>>48231946

True enough. But he was believably stupid, and his competence made up for it- To the point his WTF moments were actually a character flaw, instead of his entire defining character.

Then again, I liked Roger from the Big O, too- And Haru from Yosgua no Sora is possibly the pimpest harem lead I've ever seen.

>>48231903

Well, hey, if you know it's a purely base, selfish desire, all the more power to you. I have these kinds of desires deep down as well. The trick is to not let it affect your rational mind, and to recognize the action of them as the terrible thing they really are. Like when that shit happens in anime, it's the shallow and idealistic portrayal that insults me as well as the desire in itself.

>>48231907
>make a huge thing about kissing
Fucking hate this.

>>48231909
More like you have a 'waifu' pressed into submission by society's laws. Purity isn't new. We know this. It's a relic of social subjugation and propoganda from days way gone by. Doesn't mean it's good. Slavery is old as fuck. It ain't good.

>>48231925
>generalising
You're the retard, and you're wrong.

>>48231959

Well duh. That's why it's escapism. A subtitute for the real thing, love porn.

>>48231935
I hope you're not implying that self-insertion is a sign of intelligence in fiction, or that most works that invite self-insertion are intellectual. Because if so, just slit your wrists and do your parents a favor.

Self-insertion fiction is a very small niche genre that generally is marketed towards losers. Harems with weak-willed MCs that hit the jackpot of women are tailor made for Japanese losers to remove the guys and put themselves in their place.

>>48231978

I can accept that. Fair enough.

>>48231983

I don't care about you, you're free to do whatever you want.

I want a godly harem nevertheless. There is nothing wrong with that. Stop with your retarded feminist rhetoric.

>>48231907
>This is nonsense. Half the time, the MC always ends up with a girl or is paired up with one.
Name five from the last year. Go ahead.

Yeah, that's what I thought, faggot. No one gets together in anime these days.

>>48231959

Nope. Same thing. Just as bad. It's the male gaze trying to idealise it's own imperfections once more. It was a social construct appealing to the common fears of those in a caste driven society (they were just as sexually insecure as you were, but it was more to do with coveting wealth and position).

>>48231794
>He doesn't want to live in 2D that is anme, manga, etc.
Fucking faggot. Get off my /a/. It's not even about self-inserting.

There's nothing wrong with having a separated reality from 3D so long as one don't mix realities. When it comes to 2D, having it fulfill one's desires while being able to enjoy and be entertained is what's all about. Being able to dream, wish, even experience a life, adventure, or emotion that one sees from 2D is what fiction does best.

>>48231971
>Keep on believing that. :3

Maybe doing so is all fine and good for you, but that isn't the way most people approach fiction. You shouldn't project the kind of person you are onto the rest of the world. You'll lose your sense of objectivity.

>>48232025
>male gaze

Jesus Christ, another woman trying to do deep cultural analysis of anime on 4chan. Fuck off already, there's like dozens of you.

>>48232018

How the fuck is it feminist? I hate goddamn feminists. I just call out retarded shit and hypocrasy where I see it.

>>48231907
No one is trying to say that moe should go away. I don't care that it exists. I care that it's taking over.

Your moe is stealing the bread right out of our mouths. Right out of our mouths.

>>48232041

>implying 'male gaze' isn't a common and handy term

Seriously, you can't discuss this shit because of two words? You do suck.

>>48232025
THE GIRLS ARE NOT YOUR GIRLS. STOP PRETENDING THEY ARE.

THE GIRLS ARE NOT YOUR GIRLS STOP PRETENDING THEY ARE.

YOUR FAGGOTRY HAS REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES. YOU'RE THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE A NEW WATANABE ANIME.

YOU'RE THE WE DON'T HAVE OLD FASHIONED HEROES AND ROMANCE.

YOU'RE THE REASON FEMALE CHARACTERS STAY MAIDENS FOR LIFE AND ARE ALL ONE-DIMENSIONAL.

KILL YOURSELF AND DIE YOU CANCEROUS FAGGOT.

>>48232042

I don't see anything wrong with desiring something. You're saying it's wrong and terrible. I don't see why it would be so.

You must be american.

>>48232029

I watch anime for the realism. ;)

>>48232018

I want you to have a godly harem too.

Make them yours bro.

>>48232020
Drrr
Ktg
Amagami
YnS
B Gata

>>48232050

It's not taking over, it's there.

You're just mad it's selling better than the stuff you like.

>>48232022
Nope, sorry. You're wrong and are an uneducated kid.

Traditional purity:
>men and women shouldn't have sex before marriage because God wills it

Otaku moefaggotry:
>female characters shouldn't have sex or want sex because I want to imagine myself dating them in my own fantasies

This thread is now about one retard desperately trying to protect his sad view on anime.

>>48231992
Self-insertion is a more common trait that you seem to think. It's not really just limited to otaku losers like you seem to think.

For example, that 30 something dude who is a doofus but always does the right thing in the end that's always the star of his family sitcom is designed with self-insertion in mind.
So is that 20 something white guy that always steps up to become the leader that you'd find in shows like Lost.
Same for the nondescript normal girl you'd find in romances.

If you'd like some classical examples, Don Quixote is written to be an everyman, as are characters like Holden Caufield, Hamlet, and so on.
You find characters like this all over literature.


I wouldn't say that self-insertion is a trait that you associate with intelligence in a work of fiction, but to say that self-insertion is a sign of unintelligence is a pretty pretentious argument, and it's completely wrong.
I think a well written piece of work is a well written piece of work, regardless of how relatable the protagonist is designed to be.

>>48231990

This is the strangest thing. Don't guy identify more with cool leads? I mean, I always felt more for, say, Hei, than generic harem protagonist #2180, and Hei didn't even *have* a harem. I'd rather have a sympathetic hero than a whole cast and a lead who fades into the background.

Like, what's remotely likeable about guys like- say, Ichika- who keep on ending up in pratfalls? Just once, I'd like to see a male lead pull up short, or not end up with his hand in someone's skirt.

For example- There was Fortune Arterial, a show about literally goddamn nothing. However, I liked the male lead- I would have liked him more if he wasn't so bland, but he was level-headed, calm, and was actually the straight man of the series.

Remember when smilies were a bannable offense?
Me neither.

>>48232075

Letting an unrealistic, selfish desire have its affects on how you behave and what you expect, or a social effect, or even on the realm of content in a media of entertainment, is bad, yes. Indulging your desires in your mind and having a fap to them is perfectly fine.

When someone who expresses desire for two guys at once is called a 'slut' by /a/ only half-jokingly (if even that), then yeah, that's bad.

>>48232083

They're not mine, I'm just saying it'd be cool if they were.

No different from a woman reading a romance novel about a princly guy who sparkles.

>>48232093

These people don't watch anime.

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>>48232070

We went over this earlier. All you guys need to do is buy, buy, buy.

Thiefs don't have the right to complain about that which they have stolen.