And look where that line of thought got him.
Dead.

Oh noes, there are more anime made today, and I can't bother to separate the good from the bad because there are so many.

I bet the moefags killed him!

99% of the time animu is a terrible adaptation of the manga. people are just more aware of it in the current age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

it's true

just look at /a/ now
no one talk about Nanoha and Shana

But we have Evangelion, FLCL, Lain, Cowboy Bebop thread everyday

>>41839380

they will be a lot of shana threads when season 3 comes out

>>41839380

>no one talk about Nanoha and Shana
Which is wrong

>But we have Evangelion, FLCL, Lain, Cowboy Bebop thread everyday

>Lain

lolno and cherrypicking some of the most popular anime is bullshit and I hope you don't actually believe you made a point. How much people talk about a show is not indicative of its quality and that implication is stupid.

>back in the days, there was more anticipation and fans digested each work better.

This is probably true since there was less to choose from.But even if he just states that as fact people on /a/ takes it as a personal attack on them.

>>41839429
Point is you need it to be airing.

>Evangelion, FLCL, Lain, Cowboy Bebop
and the like are talked about despite not airing.

>>41839451
>cherrypicking some of the most popular anime

Nanoha is not one of the most popular anime of 00s?

you are fucking retarded

Lucky Star and Haruhi

>>41839451
Fuck yeah, medabots.

>>41839380

> no one talk about Nanoha and Shana

What? I saw at least one Nanoha thread yesterday, plus discussion about it in other threads. I saw a thread about A's just now. Shana gets brought up all the time.

Just because you don't see it/miss them doesn't mean they're not there.

>>41839469

It really isn't true. What does it even mean? It's a very vague statement. There may have been less anime but anime wasn't as big and communication (ie internet) wasn't as complex. There's no actual evidence fans are "anticipating" or "digesting" shows any less than they used to and that's just nostalgiafaggotry whether it comes from an idiot from /a/ or a significant director.

>>41839511

>Nanoha is not one of the most popular anime of 00s?

No you are retarded.

Nanoha isn't as significant here as it is in Japan, and it's not as big as Bebop, FLCL, and Evangelion are which aren't just popular but were instrumental in establishing the Western (American) anime fandom of the 00s. Not to mention the fact that Eva is still going. It's not a valid comparision.

It's not as significant here as it is in Japan.

There still is anticipation. He dosen't have the authority to say if the industry is in the dumps or not. He's only directed a few good shows.

>>41839635
>it's not as big as Bebop, FLCL, and Evangelion
so, is there any 00s anime big as Bebop, FLCL, and Evangelion?

>There may have been less anime but anime wasn't as big and communication (ie internet) wasn't as complex

Internet has existed for quite a long time (and "back in the day" is very vague) but even before that communication between fans happened in fanzines and clubs and similar.

Anime fan culture didn't come from the internet but has existed since the 70s

>>41839681
Just because people talk about them daily does not mean Bebop FLCL and EVA are big, there has been many big 00 anime but they haven't made the impact like Bebop FL Eva did.

hurr durr

>>41839681
Haruhi

>>41839733
>there has been many big 00 anime but they haven't made the impact like Bebop FL Eva did.

Most of 00 anime is just BIG, but they won't made any impact

>>41839681

>so, is there any 00s anime big as Bebop, FLCL, and Evangelion?

Haruhi, FMA, and Death Note. It depends on how you look at it.

What is your point anyway? The relaity is that the generation who was established by Bebop, Eva, and the Adult Swim shows is the generation who is in control of the anime fandom right now.

>>41839696

Yet it was not anywhere near as complex as the 00s internet era--where you have information on everything 24/7.

>>41839681
How can you compare the popularity and long-term relevance of a series to an older series when it hasn't even had enough time to be relevant in the long-term?

Anime is pretty disposable. For every gem, there's about ten other shitty anime series that fade in oblivion.

I can definitely see his point about fans and anticipation. A lot of the time, I just can't get excited about any new anime coming out.

>>41839291
BESIDES EVA PRETTY MUCH EVERY SERIES FROM 00 HAS SOLD MORE THAN THAT 90S SHIT EVER DID

>serious conversation on /a/
>no trolling so far
Sure is normalindo/ausfags in here.

>>41840001
I mean no offense, but I think that's more because you are jaded, not because of any particular problems in the industry. I almost always find at least 2 or 3 shows that interest me every new season.

i thought this dude died? how can he make comments nao? the fuck?

>>41840024
>discussion about pointless shit that only a kid new to anime would even want to talk about
Guess Australia just got Cowboy Bebop on dvd or something...

>>41840001
Thats your personal taste, not that the industry is failing.
Maybe you should open up to diffrent stuff if you're not feeling excited a new season starts.

>>41840001

> Movies are pretty disposable. For every gem, there's about ten other shitty movies that fade in oblivion.

To be fair, you can say that about any media form and it would be true. I don't think that's specific to anime. Not everything made is going to be or is intended to be a timeless classic for the ages.

Because today we have a wider selection. In the past there were less anime being produced.

A sport example.
The Champions League has better quality than the World Cup. The World Cup still has more hype. Not only for tradition, but because it happens only once every 4 years.

>>41840001
>I can definitely see his point about fans and anticipation. A lot of the time, I just can't get excited about any new anime coming out.
Maybe it's not because the anime is bad, but because you are a lazy person who doesn't enjoy life at all.

>>41839291
This is the reason why I'll never touch works from elitists like him.

His ranting about recent anime is like a pioneer in the automotive industry ranting that more recent brands of cars are too stylish.

However, his and Hayao's thinking aren't helping the industry at all. Hayao should try making an anime series right now and if it sucks, he should shut up.

>>41839291
>>Satoshi Kon made a comment: the disposable nature of anime today; back in the days, there was more anticipation and fans digested each work better.

Right now it's borderline porn, borderline pedophilia, weak / non-existent (supporting) male lead, male leads crossdressing, or some sick combination.

Any anime based on Stan MOTHERFUCKING Lee seems to be the only watchable anime out there.

>>41839860

lol And what was Cowboy Bebop's impact? It is the definition of being "just big". Its significance on anime isn't about its content as much as it is being an introduction into anime for many people. You can even extend this to Eva and FLCL as well. Eva's true significance was its commercial impact and sparking an increase in TV anime.

>>41840112

>herp derp

>BESIDES EVA PRETTY MUCH EVERY SERIES FROM 00 HAS SOLD MORE THAN THAT 90S SHIT EVER DID

I'm not sure how this is even relevant since there's nothing about sales in the OP but the next best selling anime of all time is the original Gundam but more importantly

Accurate statistics on sales are not really available. Oricon for example has increased the number places to collect their data from recently which favors shows made in the past years

Television anime in the past weren't even done with video sales in mind. Touch was more popular than almost anything from this decade but you wouldn't know it by looking at a sales chart

>>41840112
Troll or retarded?

>>41840112
>Right now it's borderline porn, borderline pedophilia, weak / non-existent (supporting) male lead, male leads crossdressing, or some sick combination.
Are you serious with that comment? You're just being ignorant right now.

>Right now it's borderline porn, borderline pedophilia, weak / non-existent (supporting) male lead, male leads crossdressing, or some sick combination.

ITT why anime kicks ass

>>41840140

Troll.

>>41840121
>He dosen't think Cowboy Bebop made a impact.
Silly you.

>>41840112
Fucking hate people like you.

The industry is not dying because of some cliches and tropes that people assume must be the CANCER KILLING THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY OH NOES. Cliches and tropes have always existed, as well as fads and all sorts of other stuff.

What people like Kon are talking about when they say things like that are about the attitudes of anime directors, writers and fans - not the actual content of anime these days.

>>41840135

>Oricon for example has increased the number places to collect their data from recently which favors shows made in the past years

That's not how sampling works.

>>41840121
I'm just going to leave this here.

>>41840186
What is your point?

>>41840186
>making up stupid pictures about posts made by a tripfag
yeah, you know you want to fuck him you loser

ARE YOU READY /A/ ?
Fucking a teenaged whore would become easy as shit after this show, since they would all get hooked to anime. Get ready to lose your virginity m/a/n.

>>41840168

>He thinks I said that Cowboy Bebop didn't have an impact when I explained /the type/ of impact it had.

Re-read the post please.

>>41840205
Reagan needs no point.

Just that point a is bad and Regan fights it.

>>41840215
why are they making this? Seriously...

>>41840208
Reagan needs no fucking.

That is sodomy.

And too much babies. Abortion is evil and against /a/merican Christian values.

>>41840174

In Japan, anime is not dying. It's RETARDED.
It's mainly tits and ass unless it's made by KyotoAnimu.

In the US, anime IS dying. Each year the licensing industry is losing money. Don't believe me? Here:
http://tyrenol.livejournal.com/234599.html

>>41840264
>It's mainly tits and ass unless it's made by KyotoAnimu.
Yeah, Kyoani sucks.

Top selling anime for last season was Strike Witches. Before that K-On!!. Before that was Bakemonogatari. Before that was K-ON!

If you don't see the problem here you are a part of the problem.

>>41840218
It made a bigger impact than introductory anime, also Bebops significance was Commericial impact and opening doors for shows similar too it due to its success. Bebop has made the same impact as EVA.

>>41840296
The fact that you care about anime sales in a country you don't live in is pathetic.

>>41840264 It's mainly tits and ass unless it's made by KyotoAnimu.

Yeah kyoani stopped making good anime ages ago. What else is new.

>>41840135
As a follow up here's a sales list covering up to 1998


1 174,353 Evangelion
>2 　87,430 The World of GOLDEN EGGS 2
3 　81,499 Mobile Suit Gundam
>4 　78,001 The World of GOLDEN EGGS
>5 　69,247 Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny
6 　65,927 Mobile Suit Gundam 0083
>7 　60,036 Mobile Suit Gundam SEED STARGAZER
>8 　58,563 Mobile Suit Gundam SEED
9 　54,994 Mobile Suit Gundam Z
10 54,370 Mobile Suit Gundam the 08th MS team
11 50,199 Gundam Wing Endless Waltz
12 46,465 Ah! My Goddess OVA
>13 45,367 Code Geass
>14 41,038 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
15 40,471 Dragon Ball Z
16 40,286 Top wo Nerae!
17 40,212 Cowboy Bebop
18 38,349 Martian Successor Nadesico
>19 36,930 FREEDOM
20 36,821 Nadia, the Secret of Blue Water

Most of these are not from the 00s but then again, they've had some more years to gather sales. Also these statistics only cover the Japanese market and I ave no idea how reliable they are.

I cut it off at 20 which is where we found Nadia. Note that even if sold 30k+ copies per volume it's more notable for being a television program aired during prime that was so popular it got a forced extension with extra episodes while still airing. Modern shows typically air in the middle of the night and are made with DVD/BD market in mind because no one actually watches them.

>>41840296

Japan is mainly a depressing and sad country; one that's on the verge of having its fragile life style smashed by either North Korea or China.

We, in the US, are just having a financial / political "stomach flu," TYVM.

>As a follow up here's a sales list covering up to 1998

drrr up to 2008 obviously

>>41840296
There the stuff that sells so why won't people make similar shows like it? It's just a little spell its going through next 5 years it might be Mecha everywhere or Fan service etc.

>>41840296
What is the problem? You don't like those anime series?

>>41840320
Gundam sells

>>41840334
K-On has already sold 350k copies.

>>41840303 opening doors for shows similar too it

Name one anime similiar to bebbop that didn't predate it.
There is none. CB was the song of mourning for the genre, it showed sci fi action is tired and can bring nothing new to the table. And that's the reason there are no anime like that anymore.

>>41840296

No, I don't see a problem here. And good job completely ignoring Durarara and Railgun in between there as well as not considering the top selling OVA was Gundam Unicorn and movie is Eva 2.0, Summer Wars and more recently Macross F film. We can go back 8 years ago and the top selling anime were Gundam SEED and Azumanga Daioh.

It's always been bout bishoujo and mecha. You thinking that there's some problem here is just proof you haven't been into anime very long.

>>41840332 We, in the US, are just having a financial / political "stomach flu," TYVM.

> implying china didn't already smash your lifestyle in the 90's.

Enjoy the zenith of your empire, americunts.

>>41840264
>In Japan, anime is not dying. It's RETARDED.
>It's mainly tits and ass unless it's made by KyotoAnimu.
Never mind, you completely ignored what I said.

>>41840374 And good job completely ignoring Durarara

Why wouldn't he ignore it ? It bombed.

>>41840303

lolno. Blade Runneresque sci-fi in anime was not started by Cowboy Bebop.

>>41840421

>>41840332
You forgot Russia. The are to their North.

Korea has their middle.

Chinabros (including Taiwan) is staring at them at the South.

>>41840371
Well there won't be a copy cut version of CB because it has diffrent genres in it, but there has been stuff close to it Ergo Proxy and Vexille.
>it showed sci fi action is tired and can bring nothing new to the table
Sorry but are you saying Sci Fi anime is dead? Because it's still going strong in todays world.

>>41840421
DRRR sold 20k per release on average

>>41840296
All of those shows are pretty well made. If anything, this shows recent fads are at least made out of people who appreciate good stylisation or animation

You can't say an entire industry is bad based on one factor regardless. Don't be a whiny little child.

>>41840374
>Railgun
Oh yeah that's a ringing endorsement for the future of anime.

prefix-monogatari, K-ON Witches and Raildex. Anime sure is looking rosy.

>>41840421

>bombing

>being one of the top 5 selling TV anime of the year and best selling anime of its season.

Derp. How about you go look at a sales chart before spewing bullshit.

>>41840407
>>"Cliche's and attitude over actual content."

And this is why anime is dying in the US.

>K-On has already sold 350k copies.
These list are of volume sale not total sales. K-On sold 33k and would there not be on the top 20 at all

You actually thought K-On sold more than Gundam Eva?

>>41840423
Sure it wasn't.

>>41840455
>prefix-monogatari, K-ON Witches and Raildex. Anime sure is looking rosy.
That looks fine by me. They are all fun anime.

>>41840028
I know that I am a little bit jaded. Largely due to the fact that I'm no longer a teenager. However, I also know that I'm not the only one.

Satoshi Kon kind of forgot to mention that fans are older now. So, it shouldn't have come as a surprise that they don't get excited as easily.

>>41840455
'I don't like these shows, I'll ignore that actual quality, artistic merit and creators and just say they are bad for the industry.'

>>41840485
>actual quality, artistic merit
Be realistic, none of those anime have any of this. They are just cheap throwaway entertainment. Which is fine, that's what cartoons are.

>>41840446 it's still going strong in todays world.

More like not going at all. There's one sci fi ova this year and it's pretty much expected to bomb awfully by everyone.

And ergo proxy has nothing to do with cb. Except for having the same creator.

>>41840455

>If I don't like a show than it's not allowed to sell.

That's not how it works. Good job ignoring the rest of the post where your retarded logic was already shut down. Were you complaining when Love Hina was the top selling anime of the year 10 years ago? Nope. You probably weren't even out of diapers yet.

>>41840485
What can style do if they don't sell well?

Same reason why most independent films will definitely bomb in the box office.

>>41840512
>Be realistic, none of those anime have any of this. They are just cheap throwaway entertainment. Which is fine, that's what cartoons are.
Wow, do you actually seriously fucking believe this? I don't even know what to say. I actually feel sorry for you.

>>41840527
> Yotsuba℃
> implying someone else is younger than him

HAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.

>>41840519
I said you won't find an exact copy of CB since it contained many genres, but Ergo Proxy and Vexille are similar too it and did pretty well, too say Sci Fi anime is dead because it has 1 OVA or there isn't a Sci Fi show in this season is silly.

>>41840519

>I don't know what Sci-Fi is

I didn't realize Gundam, Eva, Macross, Raildex, Haruhi, Super Robot Wars, Redline, Star Driver, and Iron Man weren't Sci-Fi now.

>>41840560
Save your pity, you'll need it for yourself one day.

>>41840576 in this season is silly.
I said YEAR. Not season. Year.
And there wasn't one, last year either.
Except for a couple of moe slice of lifes with sci fi undertones like soaring cake girl and ovas like TO that bombed to oblivion and bankrupted their companies.

The genre is dead. Live with it.

>>41840527
>>Yotsuba℃'s attempt of "character assassination" on 4chan.

FYI: There were those who thought Love Hina was pure "loser fantasy" SHIT when it came out.

There were those of us who thought Ranma 1/2 was SHIT after they seen past the "martial arts" aspect of the show. (i.e. Lack Thereof.)

Finally: If you have something to say, just say it. Insulting people just makes you look like a bitch.

>>41840656
Do you even know what Sci Fi is? Nothing will ever be like CB because it incorporated many genres but shows are still going with a Sci Fi mix in them, Sci Fi isn't dead at all it's one of the strongest genres going to date dude, you need to look up Sci Fi.

>>41840656

You are an idiot. See here:>>41840592

>>41840592 weren't Sci-Fi now.

Their not. They're mecha.
And faildex is slice of life with an after taste of sci fi.

>>41840687
>mecha isn't scifi
lol

>>41840668
He does it so people respond to him, its how he gets his point across.

>>41840687
They're mixed, Not just a mecha show.

>>41840680 one of the strongest genres

Yeah, keep telling that to yourself.

>>41840687

>Their not. They're mecha.

lol wow

>>41840687
>They're mecha.
>And faildex is slice of life with an after taste of sci fi.
Hahaha.

Oh wow.

The best selling anime of Summer 2010 is Sci fi.

>>41840656
Gundam 00, Mardock Scramble and Macross Frontier are not Sci-Fi? Those are movies form this year.

Haruhi is also a sci-fi but I guess you wouldn't count that because it's too cute or something

>>41840721
Are you telling me it isn't? Sci Fi is a big genre, Aload of "BIG" shows are Sci Fi. I don't think you even know what Sci Fi means aload of well recieved shows over the past few years have been sci fi shows.

>>41840687
>Their not. They're mecha.

>>41840697
It's not. We could have mecha now. If they weren't a stupid concept to begin with.

>>41840668

It's irrelevant. The point here is that its always been about bishoujo anime and mecha anime. They are what sell the most (you can put bishounen in there as well now). If you're going to pretend that there's something wrong with the industry because bishoujo anime is popular now, then you're going to have to extend said "problem" to the two and a half decades of anime.

And I only felt like insulting you because you were being an idiot. Don't say stupid shit like that and I won't have any reason to. I don't really care what you think of me.

>>41840770
You're aware that sci-fi means 'science fiction' right? Which part of ANY mecha show isn't 'science fiction'?

>>41840770
Just stop please.

Dirty pair - aliens, space travel, realistic cybernetics , etc - science fiction.

Star driver - magical armor that looks like robots - not science fiction. Because it has no science in it.

>>41840796
Not the person you're replying to, but whether he said stupid shit or not, he still didn't insult you. Is it really necessary to insult someone who you think is stupid even when he never said anything bad to you? You act like a child.

If someone is wrong or is being an idiot, then tell that person that he is wrong and what the right thing actually is. Don't act so childish.

Saying mecha isn't sci-fi is like saying Eva wasn't mecha.

Well if old mecha shows rehashes is what you want out of sci fi, I rest my case.

Your taste is indeed an ocean of piss.

>>41840855

>derp let me pretend SciFi isn't an extremely broad genre.

Star Driver takes place in the future and does have advance technology. It is SciFi though maybe more accurately Science Fantasy. Same difference really.

>>41840862

Whatever. Let's not get into this right now.

>>41840937
>Whatever. Let's not get into this right now.

You sure act like a child. So you admit it that you were being butthurt?

>>41840977

>calling someone else butthurt

>getting asspained over a side comment.

lol okay, whatever. As I said I'm not going to get into this right now. Don't even bother responding.

>>41840919
>Sci-Fi is dead in anime.
But what about mecha anime? Like... one of the most common things there is?
>Err... mecha isn't sci-fi because the science isn't realistic
What. Mecha is sci-fi. Sci-Fi doesn't need to be realistic. Star Wars is not realistic. It's Science FICTION.
>Yeah, well, if you like that stuff, you have no taste and the industry is dying.
Derp.

>>41841033
>Can't counter

You sure is mad, bro.

>this whole thread

fucking retards

>Are you a wizard.jpg
All oldfags and true fans know anime is garbage compared to what it was 4-5 years ago and before.

ITT: Butthurt, butthurt and greentext.

>mfw ITT

>>41841274
I disagree. I think overall, anime has become a much more diverse and artistic medium in the past 10 years. In the past 10 years there have been so many different experiments done to further animation in Japan. Has it been successful? To various degrees, yes. But really, if anything is indicative of where anime has headed the past decade, it's worth as an industry is, and that has only been more this decade than in any other.

>>41841274
tell me more