You people are so retarded...

I dropped the novel because of his endless faggotry.

Japanese men have no balls, no wonder the country is dying.

You are not alone anon.
I can only tell you that.

Kirino is the worst character in her own fucking show, amazing.

>>41742751

All Japanese men with balls sacrificed themselves in ww2, leaving only the spineless ones to breed.

>>41742890
That make sense, explain the low birth rate too.

>>41742890
Would relate to every country that took part in WWII

>>41742687
th emodel friend is a yandere. not the best choice for good tier.

His faggotry has reached, probably surpassed Ryuuji levels. Kirino is much more of a bitch than Taiga ever was.

And at least Saito was confined by the fact that he was bound as Louise's familiar.

>years of not talking to each other, largely Kyousuke's fault
>and she's an adolescent girl, to boot
>brother does one or two nice things for her over about a week
>WHY ISN'T SHE SUCKING HIS DICK ALREADY FUCKING BITCH

Never had a sibling OP? Fighting and acting mean is normal even if you love each other.

>>41743002
early taiga is a bitch and whore. hard to top how big a bitch she is. she doesnt get good until she puts a donut on her head.

i really dont yunderstand what the problem is. why express so much hate over some tsun 2D girl? brothers and sisters will fight each other whatever. if anything you should hate the male character for being such a pussy

>>41743054
maybe in america. i dont know anyone with siblings where one beats teh living shit out of someone after they do somethign nice for them.

Chill out niggas, you should know that there is reason behind this pain. There is praise at the end awaiting for his Johny.
Isn't it?
ISN'T IT!?

>>41743054
Except Kyousuke just bends over and takes it

>>41743061
She got a lot more tolerable once they started working together to get their respective partners, which is pretty early on

>>41742687
Simple Kirino analysis below. read at your own cost
When they were younger Kirino had HUGE brocon goin on, and did everything she could to impress him and get his loving attention, grades, athletics, but it backfired, her parents began to dote on her and ignore him, and he went into "My little sister can't actually exist so I'll live quietly and be normal" mode. Kirino sublimated all her brocon tendancies through eroge, and now suddenly he's back in her life, and shes grateful, pissed off, happy and resentful, like anyone would be with someone who suddenly popped back into their world after ignoring that they are alive for years

On the novel he makes up dozens of excuses to forgive her bitchy behaviour, it's disgusting.
Atleast on the anime you don't have to deal with his inner thoughts as much as on the novel.

>>41743118

He's happy that they're now talking again, since he was the one that initiated them splitting, and knows her well enough to know that she doesn't really mean it. It's not her being "tsundere" in any real sense, she's just a young girl who doesn't want to seem reliant on her brother (particularily one she's been feuding with for years).

>>41743200
Except Kirino was already treating Kyousuke like shit before he "came back into her life"

>>41743107
Same. If my sister acted like her I would not act like a faggot and keep helping her and walking around her like a dog. Normal sibling can express gratefulness even for a short period. My sister was making me breakfast and bringing it to bed when I wasn't repoting her to parents for smoking or coming home late. Kirino is stupid selfish bitch.

>>41743200
I can totally see that.
I just enjoyed thats shes more dere-dere than tsun-tsun in the LN's

>>41743241
>Thanks for saving my life from getting ruined by Dad

>I'm going to kick your knees and then go for your balls

>>41743282

She does thank him.

But yes, she has trouble expressing gratitude to him. That's not really surpising for a relationship that's suddenly restarted after years of simmering dislike (which, again, was more-or-less entirely Kyousuke's fault). You're complaing that's she's acting like an actual human instead of a magic anime forgive-and-forget waifu.

Bizarro Azusa is pretty shitty. But I can't stop watching because of DEM COLOURS.

>>41743200
2nd'ed

That;s why
<<<<<best choice

>>41743200
>>41743200
This.
+Kyousuke is a huge subjective fagot who always thinks that his sister hates him even when Kirino is already kind and happy if she can share with some time with her beloved big brother.

>>41743341
>acting like an actual human
that's why they hate it. some people want their anime to be full of power levels and beamspanning and absurd situations. they can't stand shows that are about normal people in normal situations, especially not when those shows are wildly popular

>>41743341
>which, again, was more-or-less entirely Kyousuke's fault
Nigger, please.

>>41743277
Well, I figure they had to play it up for the animu.
Either way we get "omg! totally unrealistic charcter portrayl!!111"

1. dere-dere=incest shit! droppped! I liked it better when it was called KissXsis..etc etc
2.tsun-tsun=Kirino is a bitch and needs to be punched in her perfect face!

aw well, cant please everyone eh?

>>41743504
It's already hinted in the VN that Kyousuke was the first who messed up their relationship.

>>41743498
Sure tsundere is natural. it's nothing like cliche and character stereotype created by someone's imagination.
B-betsuni!

>>41743341
>Minding my own business
>It's my fault that my sister hates me. I must be her slave to atone for my sins

Or maybe you just can't get over the fact that a girl with a cute design can simultaneously have a horrible personality

>>41743558
Light Novel

>>41743504

Oh, right. She does everything in her power to excel and impress her big bro.

He cuts ties because he's jelly that his parents now pay more attention to her.

Clearly her fault, amirite?

>>41743563
Why do even care?

Actually, why are all of you so anal pained about this?

>>41743558
Wouldn't the LN be a more authoritative source than the VN? Anyway, I'll reconsider my stance when I see new evidence. And if it's anything at the level of "I pissed her off once and never apologized" that's bullshit

>>41743580
fuck! sorry, i'm just tired

>>41743048

>>41743573

>It's my fault that my sister hates me

Um... yes, actually.

*Do* try to read the thread before posting in future, Anon-kun.

So he messed the relationship with his sister because he didn't want to stick it in then? Bad brother! Sure she shouldn't talk to him anymore.

>>41743622
see>>41743623

Spoiler: The reason why Kirino treats Kyousuke like shit it's because Kyousuke started treating HER like shit when she started to get better grades in school and winning track and field competitions.

The drama comes into play because she did all that shit just to get praise from him.

Only tsundere I liked. And she's not from this show.

>>41743608
>I stop talking to my sister cause I'm jealous, so she treats me like shit
>I help her with her personal issues and save her from Dad, she still treats me like shit

I heard that she chills out more in the later novels.

As it stands thus far, it seems to me like she's only a bitch to Kyou in particular because she is afraid to be nice to him. It seems to me like she doesn't want to be mean to him, but that she feels like she has to be. Chances are, she wasn't always like this and we're going to end up with a flashback episode that explains how both how their relationship ended up in such disrepair and how come she's such a bitch.

>>41743717

Yes, because reassuring someone about themselves and helping them out once is completely going to mend years of mutual poor relations instantly.

Sorry, but people simply don't work that way. If you think they do, you've been watching too much anime.

>>41743697

I like your loli tsundere the most, then Nana From To Love-ru, along with Kotegawa from that series aswell, Louise and Shana as dirty pleasure.

>>41743200
IF you read this post, her relationship with him is pretty goddamn simple to figure out...
In the animu, its been like what? a week or 3? since they *he* tentatively re-eastablished their status as siblings.

Kyousuke still has yet to realize HE's the main cause of their estrangement!!

>>41743717

You forgot,

>I save her from humiliation from her co-worker and classmate, and whoever they would gossip to

>She tries to kick me in he nutsack

It's just another
protag-=faggot
his bith=bith
and side characters=0
nothing to whine about

>>41743717
Basically like 90% of teenage girls with older brothers.

>>41743784

He does realise, and feels guilty, but up until the incident at the start of the series was all IT CAN'T BE HELPED about their relationship.

>>41743812
In her defense, she had no idea what he was doing.

That said, she was totally unreasonable about it.

>>41743717
"Thank you very much, Aniki!"

Fuck whoever the fault, that is not the point of the thread.

Kirino is annoying
as
fuck
Don't deny it.
She is also the worst character in the show.

Dere shows up later in the novels
So it will show up later in the anime...

Is it that hard to understand?

>>41743812

She wasn't thinking then, and she admitted it later. At the time she was just panicking because her totally uncool brother was embarassing her in front of her friends.

>>41743847
Thats actually more depressing than him being oblivious to it.
thanks.
*sadface*

>ITT
>people getting mad over a normal sibling relationship

>>41743921
It's hilarious.

>>41743764
-Kept her secret despite the fact that she treats him like crap and he has no reason to comply
-Does everything she asks, accompanies her to her outings, plays the games she forces on him
-Gets punched in the face while defending her hobby

I don't know, I'd be pretty indebted to someone like that

>>41743877

I'm sorry to hear that you can't appreciate female characters other than perfect flawless waifus, Anon. It must make it very hard to choose anime.

>>41743882
You forgot, Anonymous has a track record of being full of shit.

>>41743902
>She wasn't thinking then
She has that problem. Repeatedly

>>41743950

It's been a week, maybe two. It doesn't matter what he's done, relationships that have been in disrepair for that long simply do not mend that quickly.

>>41743877
Seconded and thirded.
Protag was very likeable through last 3 eps but his faggotory is slowly getting annoying too.
Normal guy would just say, "fuck that, deal with your shit alone, I won't be helping you unless you change your behavior, I'm not your bitch".

>>41743877
As it stands.

I'd have to agree with you. But at the same time, I'm expecting character development from both Kyou and Kirino.

>>41744035
> I'm expecting character development from both Kyou and Kirino.

There WILL be.

>>41744004
It's not about the relationship mending.

Imagine you have a mortal enemy. Some dickhead who you've hated forever.

And then he risks his life to save yours.

After that it doesn't matter whether you warm up to him, or even talk to him. You can be cold or awkward around him. You might not even openly express your gratitude. But you sure as hell don't continue treating him like an asshole.

>>41744013
>normal guy
Outside of Kyon and the guy from Seitokai Yakuindomo, can you name anybody else that would qualify as "normal" in an anime? And even Kyon is pushing it because he's kind of a pussy when it comes to Haruhi's bossing him around.

>>41743959
But Kirino is quite pretty flawless waifu. Her character is shallow tsundere stereotype and people like unrealistic tsunderes as their waifus.

>>41744013

He's already guilty about their sibling relationship getting fucked up years ago and wants to improve it. He also knows her well enough to know what she really means and that she doesn't want to seem dependant on someone as uncool as a big brother. It's a completely normal interaction.

>>41744098
>But you sure as hell don't continue treating him like an asshole.
You don't have a younger sister. We can tell.

>So as you can see, Kyousuke isn’t a reliable narrator! In fact, I’m not the only oen who is starting to believe that it was all Kyousuke’s fault that their relationship was so bad at the beginning of the story, since Kirino is indeed a tsundere, but she has never seemed to hate Kyousuke. In fact, and this is very important, when Kyousuke starts trying to help Kirino, she utters in one of the earlier volumes “And now after all that’s happened you’re trying to act like a brother?”

http://seanver.com/2010/10/05/oreimo-vol-7-release-date-and-about-realismsiscon-in-oreimo/

Getting mad over this.

>>41744116
people such as yourself
>purposely avoided saying 'people like you' as I am a fan of proper semantics unlike thou.

>>41744105
Kyon's not so much a pushover as he is:
1) Passive. Part of his character is that he doesn't have the energy to put up resistance to things. He just goes along with whatever's happening
2) An unreliable narrator. "Let me tell you, the readers, why Haruhi is such a bitch and I cannot stand her". Whatever, you've clearly got the hots for her

Add to that the fact that Kyon enjoys having some excitement happening in his boring life, AND he has snapped back at her before, makes him not all that unbearable

>>41744145
Being an older brother and having a younger sister of 2.5 years. I totally agree with you except for
>and wants to improve it
I didn't do anything to improve it until I moved out of the house. Then my sister realized "oh shit! I have a brother"

>>41744059
Read the LN spoil- I mean, summaries, huh?

>>41744105
That's why "normal guy" is the most likable character. And there are plenty of protags that don't let be tossed around.
But it requires to be a little original and break the cliche

>>41744098

No. I don't care what dramas you've been watching - relationships like this do *not* suddenly change from a single action. Both parties are confused and suspicious of the other; it absolutely takes time for any general behaviour to change.

>>41744214
I said KIND OF a pussy for a reason.
I didn't say he was a total pussy.

Do people expect the characters to be realistic or likable(in Kirino's case)?

>>41744236
Nope.
The LN themselves.

I like watching you retards squirm.

>>41744214
>2) An unreliable narrator. "Let me tell you, the readers, why Haruhi is such a bitch and I cannot stand her". Whatever, you've clearly got the hots for her
Kyou is pretty much the same in the LN in that respect.
>The park, the shopping arcade, school, the station… My sister that would stand out with her beauty is nowhere to be seen.
>Not here either… Damn it! Where the heck is she?!
>I insist that the irritation that burns my heart doesn’t come from worrying for her.
>I don’t know where the frustration comes from, but I’m doing something that is not like myself. I guess that’s why it feels so strange. Is it that which makes me so frustrated?
>“I don’t get it. Am I stupid or what?”
>This is so not me. Seriously… Oh, damn it. God damn it, shit!
>Oh whatever. No use thinking. It’s needless!
>“Who cares?”
>I gulp down this chaotic feeling, bite hard, and keep running.
>Like the main character in one of the little sister games which I borrowed from my own sister, I, Kousaka Kyousuke, am running off in the sunset, in search of his own sister who ran off. In his mind, there is nothing but thoughts about his CUTE sister.
>The only thing different from the game is that my sister’s affinity level is at minus infinity…
>And unlike that sister complex bastard, I fucking hate my goddamned sister!
>Even though we’re doing the exact same thing!

>>41742687
Learn English, you godforsaken retard.

>>41743847
A good adaptation would "explain through showing" and would have already given viewers little snippets of flashbacks showing Kyousuke being an ass to her to begin with years ago.

Instead we're going to go halfway thru the season or more before we find this shit out?

>>41744263
It's not drama. It's not a sudden character change. It has nothing to do with relationship changes. It's "I'm not going to actively treat you like shit, since you helped me out a bunch when you had absolutely no reason to."

It's called gratitude.

you guys are retarded, you think real Japanese men are like the men in animes?

I'm no weeaboo, but fuck I've never seen anything to retarded.

yes, I'm mad, so what if I'm mad?

>>41744214
and/or you can chalk up his getting pulled into the situation because of Haruhi's (passive) ability to warp reality. And it also explains why he doesn't leave.

But I digress. I don't want to start talking about quantum physics right now.

>>41744310
Good for you.

Here's a bananasticker.

>>41744098

OK.
Imagine you have a sibling or god forbid a good friend. Now say on a whim you divorce them from your life due to cirumstances or just because you were a whiny selfish manchild.

And you feel guilty over this, but are all "hey fuckit, it is what it is." And go about your life with that nagging thought.
Then suddenly one day, despite this apparent coldness towards that person, you have a golden shining opportunity to redeem yourself a smidgen *not redeem yourself to them but to redeem yourself in your own eyes cause you are still a selfish manchild*

And you take it that chance, but, do you really expect that person to suddenly forgive and forget the intervening years becasue you did the minimum EXPECTED from a friend/sibling?
"These past years are all good now lets get along like they never happened."
Sunset.
Curtain falls.
I DO like the idea of stories, neat with clean endings, but all we every really get in life is unfinished business.
I mean really.

>>41744347
Gratitude does not exist. Also, when your enemy does you a favor, you WILL be suspicious.

>>41744347
Her showing gratitude would require a sudden character change.

>>41744347

She showed gratitude when he helped her.

After that, she went back to her usual snubbing of him, because they still have the same broken relationship and a couple of instances isn't going to magically fix it.

EVERY-SINGLE-ONE-OF-YOU!

>>41744394
There is one assumption that makes your example fail. The person has to hate you now. Just because you divorce yourself from somebody's life, they aren't guaranteed to hate you.

>>41744455

Yeah!

Fuck off, if you want to discuss anime, you should go to an anime board or something!

>>41744333
>44333
Aww yeah ... although I wasn't trying for it in the first place...

>>41744310
I know. It's hilarious.

>>41744348
>>41744455
>>41744196
those people are so edgy
anybody sure gives a fuck about what they have to say

>>41744394
>"These past years are all good now lets get along like they never happened."

No, but I don't expect the person to screw me over the next change s/he gets.

Or kick me in the balls the next time I do something even mildly suspicious.

And STILL blame me when she finds out what I was doing was actually trying to help her.

You still don't get it. I'm not saying that they should be all buddy-buddy now. I'm saying she should stop actively being a bitch to him.

>>41744530
No.

It's just you're being retarded over what has been explained hundreds of times.

>>41744483

>Hey, friendB!
>Sup, friendA!
>Nothing much. You?
>I've decided that after everything you've done to impress me and make you pleased with, me, I want nothing more to do with you. Let's never talk again, 'kay?
>Cool with me.
>Also, we'll be living together but never speaking, I'm sure that won't strain anything.
>Coo'.

REALISM

>>41744435
They just need to fuck.
Sex fixes everything according to h-manga.

sauce is http://teamvanilla.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/hisasi-my-little-sister-is-so-cute-im-oreimo/ before anybody asks

>>41744544
stop bitching
It's unrealistic, it's just for plot development because sudden dere would mean end of the show.

>>41744578
>hundreds of times.

That's an understatement.

>>41744637
oops! thought I checked the spoiler image box

I'd like to give /a/ a more concrete analogy.

You're in college. You have a room mate. He is absolutely terrible, and you guys both hate each others' guts. And yell at each other every opportunity you get.

Then one day you get caught smoking pot. And you're in trouble, you've been called to see the principal or whoever.

And then your roommate not only defends you, but even takes the fall for you, and says it was he who was smoking pot, not you.

Now, after that incident, you may not be on talking terms with him, are you going to continue greeting him "Hey dickhead" every time he walks through your door?

It's a fucking shameless otaku-pandering cash in.
Just chill and enjoy it for what it is.

>>41744578
Yes you try tp act tough on internets.
Pathetic.

>>41744696
that sexual tension. I can feel it from here.

>>41744544

Most of that is completely normal "I don't need to rely on you, stupid brother adolescent sister combined her wanting on some level to fix their relationship and thus having to contrive situations where they're together but she can't seem dependant on him, since she's a fourteen-year-old girl and that would be totally uncool.

>>41744604
>divorce due to cirumstances
This does not automatically have bad connotations.

>>41744711
>tough
Okay man, whatever you say.

>>41744696
but I don't give a shit
TL;DR

>>41744696
bad analogy - colleges don't have principals

>>41744747

So she's not a bitch. She's a *scheming* bitch. I think I get it now

The tsuntsun is overdone, sure. But people can take it different ways when someone suddenly pops back into their life.

In this case, Kirino is taking the bitchy route, because (from the way I see it)....

Ugh, forgot what I was about to say.

>>41744794
>In this case, Kirino is taking the bitchy route, because (from the way I see it)....
>Ugh, forgot what I was about to say.
>Fishgirl
>girl
Forgot or never knew?

>>41744696 Now, after that incident, you may not be on talking terms with him, are you going to continue greeting him "Hey dickhead" every time he walks through your door?

You're going to talk with him and thank him to get the guilt, etc. out of your system, but yes, your relationship is going to stay on similar lines barring a long-term attempt to change it. Single instances have nowhere near the staying power in real life that most fiction gives them.

>>41743048

+1 internets to you good sir. I lol'd hard.

>>41744789

No, she likely doesn't even really register that she wants to improve things. After all, he's her mean uncool brother, who'd want to talk with *him*?

It's the interplay of her desire to fix her relationship and the fact the she doesn't want to seem reliant or uncool (both to her friends and to herself) that creates her "bitchiness".

>>41744855
The next day after he covers for you, he leaves his stuff messily around the room again, something that has pissed you off before.

Are you going to be yelling at him as-per-normal? Or are you going to overlook it, at least for now, because he has earned that amount of gratitude, and hold off your yelling until he repeatedly pisses you off again?

Now go and watch the 4th episode again and tell me Kirino's answer.

>>41744977

You'd yell at him as normal. People as a rule don't like change; status quo "works" and is safe. You would do so to confirm to yourself that nothing has really changed and you're not leaving your established comfort zone with that person.

>>41744855
i would only give one mild interjection
>stay on similar lines barring a long-term attemptON BOTH PARTIES PART to change it

Kirino and Kyousuke both know their relationship is broken but have only the vaguest idea to go about patching it, or how far they are willling to go to patch it.

Sometimes repairs hold and heal over
Sometimes repairs only look good on the surface while all underneath festers
Sometimes repairs just don't work.

>>41744932
So she's an unapologetic bitch with issues.

No matter which way you twist it, she's acting in a horrible manner and making little to no effort to change it, even expecting continued privileged treatment.

And to any one who says that the tsun-tsun is overplayed for humour: Enjoy your Louise.

>>41745059
Really? You wouldn't be afraid that he'll just turn around at rat you out? Or be perturbed when he tells you you're an ungrateful bastard?

Are you disagreeing with me because that's genuinely how you think you would act, or for the sake of the argument?

>>41745080 So she's an unapologetic bitch with issues.

One of the foundations of a sound logical argument is the ability to follow it backwards to its source.

I have no fucking clue how you took that post and arrived at that conclusion.

ALl I can tell is that you're expecting her to behave like a completely logical animu waifu. That's simply not how human interactions work.

>Putting anime with reality

Idiots.

>>41745181
>ALL I can tell is that you're expecting her to behave like a completely logical animu waifu

That's the reason for all this anal pain.

What yall need is a real protag. This nigger here was the real deal. Chasing skirt all day eventhough he got a loving girlfriend. Xbox-hueg alien challenges him to a duel he rips his daughter's bra off. He's been beaten half to death, nearly lynched several times by the neighbourhood mob, his parents want to disown him and regret having him, has fireballs constantly up his ass by some fucking demon child, he gets electrocuted and abused daily by a space fiancee who claims she loves him AND his house has been destroyed too many times to count.

YET ATARU JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK

>>41745181
>Unapologetic bitch with issues
Bitch: This part has been covered extensively within this topic
With Issues: This is from your post, about the interplay of her hidden desires making her a bitch
Unapologetic: However, she doesn't use her issues as a basis or justification for her behaviour. She simply behaves badly as she does and feels no need to apologize for it.

I think it's pretty straightforward

>>41745185

That works when the complaint is WAAH IT ISN'T REALISTIC. In this case it's WAAH STOP BEING REALISTIC.

>>41745129

People do not like change, especially sudden change; the same is likely true on the roommate's end. Behaving in a habitual manner is a defense against that.

Your example "retribution" assume logically thinking the situation and relationship through before acting; most people typically would not. It also assumes a completely logically rational roommate; again, this is not typical of most people.

>>41745181
>ALL I can tell is that you're expecting her to behave like a completely logical animu waifu

"No she's Tsun-Tsun now but she'll become Dere-Dere later! It's standard moe"
"Look at this link to a blog post about how REAL the characters are"

I don't even know where you guys are arguing fomr now

>>41745295
It's not logical or rational, it's instinctive.

"I feel really bad about getting him into trouble. I can't bring myself to yell at him, even though he's technically still in the wrong".

In fact, it's far an emotional reaction than a rational one.

>>41745286

"So" typically means "from this thing, I can say this other thing", but okay, all you were doing is restating the OP.

Again, completely normal adolescent/ sibling behaviour. Even when she feels grateful or happy, she think she's being uncool, or whatever, to express such. She's cranky because she wants to fix their relationship and like her brother again, but is also at an age an in a position (little sister, and also that people like status quo) that makes it difficult to express that properly. So sure, she's conflicted, but I hardly see why that makes her bad as a character.

why are you faggots blaming kyosuke for the bitch being a bitch? nothign has been shown that states any of this bad relationship is his fault.

WHO CARES.
For every Asuka there is a Rei.
Like Haruhi and Yuki.

Now there is Kirino and Kuroneko.

Look at this teen complex with red eyes. She likes wearing catears, is always in costume and plays the /v/idya like a pro.

>>41745519

>>41742978
but japan was the nuked one

>>41745519
>>41744190
>>41743200
Its also only been a week.

>>41745546
>plays the /v/idya like a pro.

That was good enough for me, after episode 4, to me, she is the best girl, hands down.

>>41745546
And she has the tightest vagina ever!

Well actually this is unconfirmed, but I'd like to think so

>>41745400

No, that's a reasoned response. That's what would get you talking, apologising, etc, soon after the incident.

Once it's become less recent, you're thinking directly about it less, and the instictual maintenance of the status quo would take over.

If at some point you had rationally decided that (thanks to the incident or otherwise) to mend your relationship or otherwise treat him differently, then you wouldn't do so, but that is a reasoned active rejection of the status quo, not an instinct. It's also one a fourteen-year-old girl is unlikely to make.

Jesus fucking Christ, this thread is full of rertards.

First, for shits' sake, people don't suddenly change their personality overnight. She's been on defensive ignore-mode towards Kyosuke for years for shit he did. She's not about to suddenly slip out of that in a matter of less than two weeks, especially when the problem started the first time she wanted him to like her.

Second, in case you fuckwads haven't been paying attention, all she does is purposedly shove things at him because she wants him to share her hobbies. It can't possibly be this hard to pick this shit up, she's been complaining that Kyosuke doesn't finish the game because she wants to play with him.

Third, she's extremely jealous. She didn't want him away from her friends because he disgusted hher, she wanted him away because she feels threatened by literally every girl he has any contact with. It's why he badmouths Manami, why she's pissed that Kyosuke became friends with Saori and why she will flip her shit once Ruri/Kuroneko starts to get close to him.

Last but not least: They are fucking brother and sister. This isn't one of the games Kirino plays, she behaves like a pretty damn normal sister. And you fuckwads are even making shit up by claiming she abuses him phsyically, when the shit did that ever happen?

who cares its moeshit, you watch it for the kawaii uguu and disregard all story and everything else that could possibly make a show good just so you can fap to the girls while watching

>>41745262
People are getting butthurt that a younger sister character is actually acting like a younger sister would?
Such fragile dreams they have.

>>41745262

This really does summarise the issue, in my view. Dramas and anime and the like have been been using the "single dramatic relationship change" scene for so long that we practically expect it, irrespective of how fictionalized it is. Someone in real life would have to be incredibibly cold and rational for that to actually work.

>>41745725
I don't think that's the case.
The case that, at least i, make, is that while she acts like a cunt (and that's ok, tsundere/imouto chara type), the brother acts like a fucking bitch, only taking it.
Even more being that he was acting all "i hate my sister" before.
And ok, i get that he's a siscon, but even then, it's fucking pathetic.

But i'm willing to ignore it because its animu, ecks dee.

>>41745882

He "takes it" because he feels guilty for the current state of their relationship.

He also does so because he understands her well enough to know what she means, and to know why she has trouble expressing herself to him.

Less "bitch", more "bro".

>>41744544
>No, but I don't expect the person to screw me over the next change s/he gets.

That's... when?

>>41744544
>Or kick me in the balls the next time I do something even mildly suspicious.

And now you're just making up shit that never happened.

>And STILL blame me when she finds out what I was doing was actually trying to help her.

Yes, this totally happens all the time. When someoen is flipping out over somebody else's (seemingly) irrational behavior, and are later proved wrong, they imediately apologize. That happens all the time.

Or maybe we could talk about real people in a real enviroment and realize that "slip on the defensive and still try to pin the blame on somebody so as to not look ridiculous" is one of the most common scenarios you see, espeicially for kids. Holy shit, people, you asshats have never had family or something? Even I realize I've done this crap at times.

>>41745706
You mad? Seems like you can't handle your waifu being insulted. I like her and all, but shit.

It doesn't matter that she won't change suddenly or whatever you guys are claiming.

No "tsundere"(and I don't even want to call this bitch tsundere, she is only tsun) ever let the tsun part behind through her development, which means Kirino will still be a bitch even after, and you guys claiming that she is a "realistic" little sister character help to further prove this, if she is indeed realistic then she will continue to be a bitch, and maybe even more.

So, no matter how hard you try to "defend" your "realistic" waifu, she is a bitch, will still be a bitch and bla bla bla.

>>41746014
>which means Kirino will still be a bitch even after

Nope.

>>41745966

>He doesn't recognise extreme advertising writing style!

>>41746014

wat

No, seriously, I cannot identify whatever kind of point you are trying to make. Don't smoke and post, bro.

>>41745882
>the brother acts like a fucking bitch, only taking it.

The only reason Kyosuke puts up with it is because, unlike half of the people on this thread, he can actually read between the lines and realize why she acts like that. Such as the fact that she's desperate to share her games with someone, which she helped her with, only to realize she really wnated to share her games with HIM, and thus kept playing along.

Second, Kyosuke is written as a brother. Not a fucking galge protagonist. If you think snappy teenage younger siblings are unrealistic, you are a fucking moron. He's smart enough to nate take everything she says at face-value, unlike you asshats that have never seen a real kid act moody before.

Third, you morons exaggerate this to astronomical levels because you wnat to bitch. Like the imbecile claiming she hit him in the balls. What the fuck?

>>41743455

You're wrong and this post is bad and you should feel bad.

I'm just happy that in the end, we get incest. Thanks for getting it right for once, Japan.

>>41742687
OP confirmed for not having a sister

>>41746144
>I'm just happy that in the end,

There's not even an END yet, you retard.

>>41746184
>Implying it's not going to happen

"What are they talking about, Kyo-Kun?"
"Nothing... sip... get your ass back in bed"

>>41746227
>>41746212

>This whole thread.

You guys know that they end up together, right?

She's goes more and more dere overtime, and if you can't pick up on that you're retarded.

>>41746184

Right, so them being boyfriend and girlfriend in the most recent novel doesn't imply they'll be together when the series ends, right?

>>41742687
go read the manga if you want more incest undertones

>>41746363

There have been tiny snippets of out-of-context spoilers.

You don't know how it's going to end, I don't know how it's going to end, no-one who isn't involved with the series' production knows how it's going to end.

>>41746227
This reminds me of Onani Master Kurosawa.
>This is my girlfriend Ayase
>Hi, starting from today I am Kyosuke girlfriend, Ayase.
>Insert Kirino shocked face here.

Well we can all at least agree wincest will be awesome.

>This whole thread

What in the name WAT!

>>41746184
Yeah but the latest novel has the wincest ship sailing directly into the shitstorm. There's no way the author can keep up his "Brother: Derp derp I don't really like/love my sister, I'ma just live my life for her by coincidence. Sister: I really hate you brother, so that's why I want to keep you away from every other female on the planet and then ask you to be my boyfriend." The incest is going to happen, and it's the same people who said there wouldn't be incest in akane-iro who say there won't be incest here. PROTIP: Japan loves incest!

>>41746448

Dat NTR.

>>41746458
No, there are actually retards wanting a different end.

Hey gununu admin, you around? Do your job and tag those gununu.

>>41746508
>Implying I don't know this
All I'm saying is don't get your hopes up.

Read this guy's post >>41746447

I haven't read the LN so I have a question for those who have. I know that though she asked her brother to be her boyfriend, we don't know what context it's in until the release of the next volume sometime in november. My question is: have the events in the novels leading up to the seventh volume seem to flow in a way that suggests the proposal is legitimate? Or is it more likely given the pace that she is just asking Kyosuke to pose as her boyfriend for whatever reason?

>>41746520
Sure, kuronekos good and all, but when there's sister incest on the table theres no reason not to go for the gold.

Incest end ftw

>annoying bitch tsundere
>doormat male lead
generic anime #101

>>41746472
oreimo is DEEEP

>>41746581
>have the events in the novels leading up to the seventh volume seem to flow in a way that suggests the proposal is legitimate

Absolutely this. Being separated from her brother nearly killed her (literally). That's how much she loves him. There is no validity behind the "hurr durr sibling love" bullshit anymore. It's straight up love.

>>41743921
>implying normal brothers are doormats to their sisters
yeah no

>>41746581

Please someone answer this.

>>41746581
Could go either way. Here's the dialogue from the end of the most recent novel, minus kyousuke's introspection.

Sis: "Hey, I have a favor to ask..."

Bro: "Oh? More 'Life counseling' is it?"

Sis: "No. I told you, we already had our 'last time' for that, right?"

Bro: "Yeah, you're right."

(introspection)

Bro: "Well then? What's this favor you want? I'm feeling good today, so I'll listen to anything you want."

NEXT PAGE

(introspection, based mostly on wanting to keep his sister happy and cute)

Sis: "Um, well.. this is kind of hard for me to say, but..."

Sis: "Become my boyfriend."

>>41746363
It's only means that both of them are stupig teenagers who don't even know their own feelings.
Kyousuke thinks that his sister is brocon so he persuade himself that he is siscon.
Kirino same. She only perceive that their relationship become better because of eroges, so she can go even that far for make their relationsip better.
But it won't works.

Author is a "bit" of a troll

I fully expect "be my boyfreind" in the context of her going back to the States to compete and Kyousuke going with her *with parents blessing as "pretend bf" to "protect" her from ravenous Amerigaijins and to inspire her.
I fully expect nothing serious except maybe a kiss in the "well then prove it! kiss him if he's your bf!"
"fine i will!!"
*chu*
maybe some incest tension filled bedroom shower sequences, but I'm not holding my breath...

>>41746660

Platonic love can be just as moving as romantic love. Calling it "hurr durr sibling love" just makes you sound like an idiot.

>>41746692
see
>>41746764

Author is troll like Dan Abnett

>>41746660
Yep. I didn't really get why Kyousuke thought she was acting like a bitch when they came back to Japan, though. I think the whole "our relationship is cooling off" was in his mind, and really she was getting closer to him. Anyway, I'm guessing unless he turns her down flat they'll be "fake" bf/gf next novel, and real bf/gf by novel 9.

>>41746719

Sounds completely like a pretend boyfriend to me. "Um, well.. this is kind of hard for me to say, but..." isn't blushy enough to be a real tsundere confession, and the whole thing sounds exactly like it's going to be followed by

>You- eeeeeh?
>Don't misunderstand, I'm just asking you to ____________!

>>41746675
Your definition of "doormat" proves that you have no fucking idea how to function in a normal family relatiosnhip.

Irrational outbursts happen. If you try to enforce fairiness at all times, even with the pointless shit, you just build stress pointlessly on both sides and escalate the conflicts. Normal people let pointless shit slide and save the arguing for stuff that actually matters.

You retards are looking at this as if it were a battle of wills for who is the Alpha Dog. It's just a dude being smart enough to not blow his chance to rebuild his relationship with his sister by not paying attention to outbursts she has for reasons he can tell are actually quite flattering underneath the shouting. He would not be doing anything if he didn't want to, he certainly perfected the art of shutting her off his life already. He's now trying to do the opposite, and when you have a situation like this, someone's gotta give if there's to be any progress. If you just pee-mark your territory at all times and your partner does the same, you don't get anywhere.

LISTEN MOTHERFUCKERS, THE SHOW IS NOT SUPOSSED TO BE REALISTIC, IT´S SUPOSSED TO BE ENTERTAINING AND FOR THAT IT NEEDS CONFLICT

IF SHE´S LUSTING FOR HIS COCK IN EPISODE 4 THERE NOTHING TO ADD IN THE NEXT EPISODES

>>41746764
>well then prove it! kiss him if he's your bf!"
>"fine i will!!"
>*chu*
I came

>>41747046

Thank you for your useful and thought-provoking contribution to the thread, Anon.

>194 posts Ore wa Imouto thread

surprisingly less trollery than anticipated

>>41746917
THIS. A thousand times ye, read this you and you'll be a bit less socially retarded manchild

>>41747046
u mad

>>41746660
>implying my little sister wasn't crying the shit out from herself when I gone to college.

>>41747046
but she isn't and that's the problem
ungrateful bitch

>>41747345
>she wants to fuck

So is it wrong if me and my sister occasionally have sex but have no interest in anything romantic? We're pretty much bros.

>>41747704

that's awesome dude

>>41747704
Well, if you don't use contraceptives you've got 1/8 chance to win a retarded kid!

>>41747782

>1st generation incest
>birth defects

And here I thought we could get through one of these threads without you showing up.

>>41747782

Yeah, we approach it intelligently and make no mention of it to anyone. I honestly don't think it's bad at all.

>>41747782

Cool misinformation, bro.

>>41747704

Is she hot?

>>41742978
This is so true. My grandfather fucking jumped into Normandy like a fucking BOSS. But he didn't do it so people could pretend to be fucking vampires.