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  • File : 1286707536.jpg-(64 KB, 500x703, yamamoto_sgpy.jpg)
    64 KB Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:45 No.41143908  
    what does intellectual think of anime industry?

    Yutaka Yamamoto, graduated from the Kyoto University, majored in philosophy department
    former KyoAni director, on the state of the anime industry:

    (*Kyoto University is acknowledged as one of the top two universities in Japan, fueling a rivalry with Tokyo University. Kyoto University was ranked 11th worldwide in the Global University Ranking)

    >The lack of originality and the desire for exclusivity by the fandom has created a highly transparent industry. Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large. This negative feedback loop simply exacerbates the problem over time, and now we have an industry that has boxed itself into a dead end.

    >He goes on to cite Shinbo of Shaft as one of the prime suspects of this type of exclusive humor. Instead of striving to satisfy one particular niche repeatedly, says Yamamoto, anime directors should allow everyone to enjoy their works equally. References and homages to other anime should be inserted in a way that is both subtle and unobstructive, serving as an “Easter egg” for die-hard fans. Allowing references and parodies to become the main vehicle of humor dramatically diminishes the amount of people that are able to watch and enjoy a certain show.
    >"Nowadays, good animation doesn't good sales, most otakus barely even notice good animation quality, only sakuga fags happy to see animation
    >For example, Denno Coil and Birdy: Decode sale fail to live up to sakuga fags's hype, compare to Bakemonogatari win the Otaku market." he said.

    let's have a proper discussion for once.
    /a/ is generally more intelligent so we should be able to do this.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)06:46 No.41143925
    .
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:47 No.41143957
    not this shit again
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:47 No.41143966
    No
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:48 No.41143996
    dont you get tired of this?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:52 No.41144066
    >only sakuga fags happy to see animation
    >sakuga fags

    Before I discuss anything can I get someone to explain what a "sakuga" fag is?

    Though I will say that I agree on the Shaft part. 50% of their anime is full of memes and jokes.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:52 No.41144085
    >>41144066

    don't respond to this thread.

    Just ignore it bro.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:53 No.41144092
    He has a point, a very good point. But what in my honest opinion is just as dangerous, if not possibly even more disastrous is the lack of fresh, creative talent. With underpaid wages, horrible working conditions, and barely any work for starting animators (inbetweening gets outsourced most of the time now), the industry isn't exactly doing much to welcome fresh blood. This all of course gets worse as Otaku are the only people who'd normally wager a career under these unfriendly circumstances, which leads to Yamamoto frustrations.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:53 No.41144098
    >>41143908
    >former kyoani director

    DO HO HO.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:54 No.41144105
    >>41144066

    A sakugafag = animation fag
    >> Pestilence !!vKqWKxLMglQ 10/10/10(Sun)06:54 No.41144107
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    >>41143908
    induring OP samefags his thread to keep it on page 1
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:54 No.41144125
    overall I think japan's animation industry is slowly spiraling itself into death. Things are just slowly getting too inclusive and otaku-ish.

    It's not a permanent death though. Not everything will go down the rabbit hole and after a fallow period, things will start up again.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:55 No.41144147
    >>41144066
    That's part of the reason I like Arakawa. It's fairly accessible humour compared to SZS (especially S2 onwards) and Bakemonogatari.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:56 No.41144157
    >intellectual
    Who gives a fuck what some braindead waste of space thinks?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:57 No.41144179
    >>41144066
    "Sakuga" are the drawings that make up the Key Animation, the actual work of the animators before it's shipped to Korea/Vietnam wherever for all the tedious grunt work of in-betweening.

    It means Animation Nerds, who focus on the technical side of the animation, like mecha fans with robots. Kinda like artfags.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)06:58 No.41144185
    More panty shots
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:00 No.41144223
    http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/600507/n/Suspended-Animation

    Here is a good report on the whole issue.

    They are blaming the death of Anime on Piracy, but really it is to do with the fact they are not targeting a larger audience.

    They need to get in line with Blue-Ocean business strategy, but sadly Japanese business mentality is that you basically copy something that is popular and hope you get the same success instead of trying to target the "rest of the ocean".

    Focusing on a niche that is heavily invested in piracy is never, ever, a good business practice.
    >> ( ´_ゝ`) l <3 annimeh !gJAmoEfAGs 10/10/10(Sun)07:01 No.41144243
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:01 No.41144246
    Amusingly he's a horrible fucking director. Like, if you ask someone "name a bad anime director" they'll think of him.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:02 No.41144257
    >majored
    >philosophy
    LOL
    >> NiggerFaggot !d9M4WSTJ8Q 10/10/10(Sun)07:02 No.41144264
    >>41144243
    >>41144243

    One of the worst tripfags on /a/.

    You can't be funny or cool. Please, stop it.
    >> ( ´_ゝ`) l <3 annimeh !gJAmoEfAGs 10/10/10(Sun)07:03 No.41144278
    >>41144264
    I think he's both funny, and cool. Give him a chance, bro!
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:03 No.41144290
    I can pretty much agree with what he's saying. Allow me to paraphrase another way that someone once described the problem to me:
    "What made the anime of old great was that in a time when the creators were doing something relatively new, they had to have had some other talent or interest before they got into animation. When people didn't set out to become animators, when they planned on something else but found themselves in an alien profession, a melting pot of talent and ideas was born. As a result, for a long time, productions were made that turned interesting thematic, visual, plot, and character elements into something fluid and moving that anyone could appreciate. Something unique, something that could watched not only because it was an interesting work of animation, but because it was an interesting film.

    As time passed, the torch was passed, and the fans of the old works became the creators of the new ones. These people weren't a motley crew bringing their own experiences, their own knowledge, their own passions into a burgeoning field. Their passion WAS animation, and so the only thing they knew how to do was to thoughtlessly copy their progenitors, as if they were learning to paint by watching a painter's hands. Fans of animation put up with this because it reminded them of the old works (while feeling like it was missing something...), the people who watched animation as film left (there was nothing worthwhile in these new works) and over time, the process imploded on itself, giving rise to the stuff that is shoveled out today."
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:04 No.41144296
    This is the Japs' problem, which results from being too stubborn to take risk and change, similar to the stagnant state of its economy. There's nothing outsider gaijin can do about it.
    >> NiggerFaggot !d9M4WSTJ8Q 10/10/10(Sun)07:04 No.41144302
    >>41144278

    no
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:05 No.41144326
    See, this is what happens when you adopt capitalism. Capitalism adds nothing to innovation due to the mentality of most money = quality.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:06 No.41144348
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    >>41144223

    So basically you took an article that has nothing to do with what you're saying, and then put it forward as if it supports your argument? WHat.

    Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Protip: Anime has always been a "niche".
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:06 No.41144355
    >majored in philosophy department
    No wonder he spends time talking bullshit about cartoons. He has THE most useless speciality of all.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:07 No.41144362
    >>Was part of Haruhi staff
    >>Rails against references
    >> Clockwork Loyalty !!AeVd1sjJ70p 10/10/10(Sun)07:07 No.41144373
    Whoever this Yutaka Yamamoto is, he's clearly retarded. His whole statement is clearly an attack against Bakemonogatari due to it's high sales, but for some reason, he only cited this while not citing the likes of Evangelion.

    tl;dr haters caught hating.

    and yes, I know it's a copypasta, so you see me sagin
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:08 No.41144385
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    >>41144326
    So true comrade.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:09 No.41144396
    >>41144362
    >implying that reference has any thing to do with Haruhi success
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:11 No.41144421
    >>41144290
    This is a major part of the problem yes, but also you need to understand that it is the culture in the anime industry to make things for your fans and the problem is that the fans are very, very "militant".

    You hear about it all the time, about how 2ch entirely fucks over anything original. If you try something original and it is not to the liking of 2ch, expect ALOT of pressure from above to try make your anime fall in line with what has been done before.

    2ch is filled with the biggest fucking douchebags on earth, they do not care about originality or decent writing or story, they care about who is their next waifu, this is why you see Code Geass season 2 dropping any sort of interesting story arcs from the first season and start focusing on female characters and Loli's.

    The mass market do not care about Waifus or Lolis, they care about decent writing, decent plot lines and good characters and interaction, but 2ch and your hardcore anime audience at the moment, have no care for such things.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:11 No.41144426
    >>41144290

    All I see here is pure nostalgiafaggotry that's not actually addressing any issue. "It was good because it was older and old is awesome and the passion blah blah blah". That is the cancer of any argument about new vs old.

    That isn't good, nor is it fair to the work people put in today. And you don't seem to understand that many of those people you're talking about are still working in anime. They didn't go away after 15, 20 years.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:14 No.41144478
    >>41144385
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:16 No.41144520
    >>41144421

    >Anything I dislike must have been the work of 2ch.

    >The mass market do not care about Waifus or Lolis, they care about decent writing, decent plot lines and good characters and interaction,

    HAHA OH WOW
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:17 No.41144543
    >>41144426
    No it isn't about Nostalgia faggotry.

    The problem is that people are copying each other is a quickly dying industry and not understanding why they are not hitting mainstream appeal.

    None of them are doing anything radical and trying disruption techniques or learning the lessons of Blue Ocean, if they did you would have another fucking Pokemon type phenomenon.

    http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html
    This really needs to be translated into Japanese and sent to every goddamn Animation studio.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:20 No.41144587
    Not everything that is old was good; and not everything that is new is bad either - in this case it's just cliche.

    It's why whenever something even a little out-of-the-ordinary airs, /a/ jumps all over it because we've all seen enough anime to predict what will happen.

    In Japan though, there's something of a reversal. They seem to like the tried and true methods, and there's not enough confidence to try anything too new. The whole idea of "the customer is always right" exists within the anime industry as well, which is why those sorts of fans are targeted because they demand it and they're easier to profit off of.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:22 No.41144625
    ITT: Armchair anime industry experts responding to month old gorespammer copypasta.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:22 No.41144630
    >>41144543
    They're not going to do anything radical unless they feel threaten. As long as they are one of the top dogs they could give a damn about being "radical" as long as the money is flowing in. Why do something different if the money keeps coming in?

    As I said, this is the problem with capitalism.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:22 No.41144634
    >>41144223
    you realize nintendo adopting the blue ocean strategy is the reason we have wagglan shit instead of real games for the wii right? do you really want to see the wii music of animu?

    I'd rather animu remain as something made by fans for fans instead of shit like modern video games has become.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:23 No.41144654
    the customer is killing the industry
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:25 No.41144691
    >>41144625
    This. Nothing amuses me more than armchair experts.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:27 No.41144706
    The anime industry needs more deep, thought provoking animu's. Such as bleach
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:27 No.41144709
    >>41144543

    >No it isn't about Nostalgia faggotry.

    Yes it is. If you're going to really act like there was a point where the anime industry was somehow about originality you are bullshtting.

    >The problem is that people are copying each other is a quickly dying industry

    No, that is EVERY industry ever.

    >and not understanding why they are not hitting mainstream appeal.

    One, there ARE mainstream anime. You obviously don't really understand the industry. Two, not everything needs to be mainstream. And since when is quality or creativity associated with mainstream? lol wow

    >None of them are doing anything radical and trying disruption techniques or learning the lessons of Blue Ocean, if they did you would have another fucking Pokemon type phenomenon.

    There is plenty of innovation in animation technique, and a mix of styles today. More than there used to be. A lot of the stuff they've done to day couldn't have been done 15 years ago especially not on TV.

    Tell me what was the point where the industry wasn't "dying". When was the industry about being ORIGINAL and ARTISTIC as you think?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:28 No.41144728
    >>41144630
    The Anime industry is quickly going under, more and more studios every year are closing their doors.

    >>41144634
    The reason we have wagglan is because of "if we copy Nintendo, we will be rich too!!!", Nintendo games use the Wiimote very very well and there are games out there that do show the Wiimote is a superior controller to both the Xbox360/PS3 controllers (Re4, Bully, The Conduit).

    Do not blame the "casuals" for ruining gaming, the best games of this generation have been the casual ones outside of Demons Soul. Mario Galaxy/2, Super Mario Bros 5, Little Big Planet, Mario Kart, Wii Sports. These games by far are the best games of this generation both in gameplay wise and saleswise.

    Because of the "hardcore" gaming today is more about movies/stories and running down corridors grinding through enemies, give me Mario Galaxy 2 over basically any Xbox360 "hardcore" game anyday.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:29 No.41144739
    >>41144625
    >>41144691
    Cool samefag bro. And what are YOU doing to improve the industry? Insulting random people on a random imageboard? Buying and fapping to figurines? Watching moeshit and calling anything good that's ever come out "pretentious"?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:29 No.41144745
    Stuff that's old isn't necessarily better. However, it's very common to have old techniques and tricks forgotten and fall out of practice. Which definitely results in a drop in quality.

    Remember Animation is an industry that is almost constantly re-inventing it's own wheel. Do you see the same paint every frame techniques used in the old disney animations used today? No, because people are not painting every frame individually.

    Story wise you always want a writer with more experience then less. Someone with experience in film, written work, and more is preferable.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:30 No.41144775
    >>41144739
    >implying the two are mutually exclusive
    >implying he's not butthurt as fuck he's growing out of anime
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:31 No.41144781
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:31 No.41144787
    >>41144728
    Yet, it changes nothing because the top dogs of the anime industry are still at the top. As I said, the top dogs won't become radical unless threaten and they are far from being threaten while maybe the more creative companies are going under.

    Capitalism once again fails.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:33 No.41144822
    >>41144739
    >Cool samefag bro.
    Keep thinking that newfag.

    >And what are YOU doing to improve the industry?
    I don't need to do anything. What you are doing (crying and falsifying shit on /a/) is rather pathetic though.

    >Watching moeshit and calling anything good that's ever come out "pretentious"?
    What does this even mean? Just get back to Gaia, ANN or where ever you came from.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:33 No.41144837
    >>41144739

    Not samefag I'm afraid.

    I buy CDs/DVDs/BDs of shows I like. I'm not going to buy shit out any obligation to support "the industry" or whatever. If they make a good product, though, I'll buy it.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:34 No.41144847
    >>41144728

    You have no idea what you're talking about.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:36 No.41144886
    >>41144775
    Replying with greentext, how nice.

    Oh and I'm not growing out of anime, I watch new and old shows almost on a daily basis. And I've never watched any moe and I never will. Even back in the day when I was a stupid teen those kind of shows seemed retarded.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:37 No.41144905
    >>41144886

    Yet even as an "adult", you have no idea what moe means.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:37 No.41144908
    >>41144886
    You're the kind /a/ doesn't need. No wonder /a/ has went shit.

    Everyone: just report the thread and stop the serious replying.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:37 No.41144915
    >>41144822
    >I've been on /a/ for 3 months
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:38 No.41144929
    >>41144915
    Sup OP.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:40 No.41144966
    >>41144709
    >Yes it is. If you're going to really act like there was a point where the anime industry was... (cut down field length)

    90s Anime boom did not just come out of nowhere faggot.

    >No, that is EVERY industry ever.

    No it isn't.
    Without innovation no market would move forward, how is music the same today as it was in the 90s? it isn't today mainstream music is a mashup between Hip-Hop and House music, in the 90s we had Trance and Grunge, it was pioneers that pushed the boundaries and had both mainstream and "underground" appeal that have been the constant drivers of the music industry.

    Video games as well, look how much Nintendo has expanded the market by simply not following the "trend" and trying something different?

    >One, there ARE mainstream anime.....

    If there were truly mainstream anime, the entire industry would not be in crisis mode and be on the verge of complete implosion.

    Anime at the moment is so bad that it does not appeal to the mainstream, that is right you heard me, IT IS SO FUCKING TERRIBLE, THAT EVEN THE MAINSTREAM TURN THEIR NOSE UP AT THE SIGHT OF ANIME.
    No normal people actually want to perve on fucking 10 year old girls or care about a guy surrounded by 5 big boobed retarded chicks, this is where anime is sitting around the moment, it has crossed the "entertainment" threshold into pure voyeurism.

    The last "mainstream" anime was Cowboy Bebop, it had massive mainstream appeal worldwide and it was both a critical success, I can easily say I have not seen a anime since Bebop replicate anything like that.

    >There is plenty of innovation...

    Misses the point entirely.

    >Tell me what was the point where the industry...

    As I said before, 90s Anime boom didn't come from fucking nowhere.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:40 No.41144971
    As you can see OP, trying to start serious conversation on purpose only leads to the production of herculean amounts of whining and butthurt. Nothing to see here folks
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:40 No.41144976
    >>41144905
    So what does it mean? Enlighten me.

    >>41144908
    >derp 4chan is my super secret club for social rejects and fapping to cartoons
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:41 No.41144983
    >>41144886
    I hope u don't believe the shit u just typed out
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:43 No.41145034
    Having a major in philosophy makes you an intellectual?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:44 No.41145046
    >>41144966
    nice dubs
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:45 No.41145070
    >>41144966
    Do you have Down's?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:45 No.41145079
    >>41144976
    People like you tend to stir up faction war bullshit as if those people who watch "moe" shows wouldn't watch shows like Trapeze or Mushishi for example.

    It's people like you who feel the need to cry about how one type of anime is killing the industry and such.

    Please, realize how fucking stupid you are if you can't even fit in here with the general mindset.

    >derp 4chan is my super secret club for social rejects and fapping to cartoons
    You're watching cartoons made for nerds and manchildren, who are you to say anything? Keep having those double standards, I'm sure ANN would be more fit for you.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:46 No.41145096
    >>41145079

    Well fucking said.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:46 No.41145104
    >>41145034
    Okay fine, ignore that line. The author is now dead. Read the words, the text itself. Let the words speak for themselves and if they don't resonate, whatever.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:46 No.41145108
    >the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry. The creators feel too obligated to please their fans, and the fans naturally expect the creators of anime to cater to them specifically, as opposed to society at large.

    Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:47 No.41145120
    Sounds about right. I'm tired of the same bland shows and boring characters. Anime is really becoming a terrible medium for storytelling.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:48 No.41145138
    >>41145108
    Yes, because just like with America. If the uneducated get into power it fucks up everything.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:48 No.41145145
    >>41145050
    What the fuck is your argument?

    It isn't a faction war, the fact of the matter is pandering too fucking 2ch is not working and the ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS ABOUT TO FUCKING DIE, THE AMOUNT OF STUDIOS HAS FUCKING HALVED IN THE PAST YEAR ALONE.

    Moeshit is killing the Anime industry, copying that moeshit and creating more moeshit is not going to make the industry profitable again, there needs to be a change in the thought process of executives and they need to see why shows like Evangelion and Bebop were huge phenomenons and try replicate that success with a new product.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:49 No.41145153
    There is anime of all kinds being made.
    It's not the fault of Kyoani (or whoever else makes moe shows) that those that are trying to get another target demographic are failing.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:49 No.41145155
    >>41145034
    yes, unless you could find a better people with a better credential that talk about this shit
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:49 No.41145156
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    >90s Anime boom did not just come out of nowhere faggot.

    And where did it come from? I don't see you mentioning how the anime industry crashed and was on the verge of death in the early 00s. Anime started becoming bigger in the late 90s and got even bigger in the 00s.

    >No it isn't.

    Anime is not the same as it was 10 years ago. Your point?

    >If there were truly mainstream anime, the entire industry would not be in crisis mode and be on the verge of complete implosion.

    >Anime at the moment is so bad that it does not appeal to the mainstream, that is right you heard me, IT IS SO FUCKING TERRIBLE, THAT EVEN THE MAINSTREAM TURN THEIR NOSE UP AT THE SIGHT OF ANIME.

    >No normal people actually want to perve on fucking 10 year old girls or care about a guy surrounded by 5 big boobed retarded chicks, this is where anime is sitting around the moment, it has crossed the "entertainment" threshold into pure voyeurism.

    >The last "mainstream" anime was Cowboy Bebop, it had massive mainstream appeal worldwide and it was both a critical success, I can easily say I have not seen a anime since Bebop replicate anything like that.

    This whole post is pure ignorance You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and should just shut up.. Go back to /co/, /v/ or where ever or just sit back and educate yourself a little bit before speaking further, please.

    >Misses the point entirely.

    I missed no point.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:49 No.41145165
    The anime industry is a perfect example of microeconomics in action.
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    >>41145145

    >moeshit moeshit derp look at me saying stupid buzzwords and pretending to know what I' talking about.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:51 No.41145188
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:52 No.41145211
    >>41145138
    You seem to be part of said uneducated though if you fail to provide a proper argument.
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:52 No.41145218
    >>41145145

    > shows like Evangelion and Bebop were huge phenomenons and try replicate that success with a new product

    So like Bakemono and K-ON then? Not to mention all the other successful shows that didn't make it on to the decades top 10 and not to mention all the Sunrise/Toei franchise stuff and not to mention all the truly mainstream stuff like Sazae-san and Doremon...
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:53 No.41145227
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:55 No.41145260
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    >>41145145
    cool story faggot

    Looks like you're completely full of shit.

    Consider yourself told.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:55 No.41145273
    >>41145145
    >THE AMOUNT OF STUDIOS HAS FUCKING HALVED IN THE PAST YEAR ALONE.
    HAHAHA, I think I'm suffocating here.

    >Moeshit is killing the Anime industry, copying that moeshit and creating more moeshit is not going to make the industry profitable again
    You keep saying that without even knowing what you're talking about newfag. "Moe" IS the only thing why the industry is staying afloat. Anime is a niche product, acknowledge this first before you write such inane bullshit.

    >Evangelion and Bebop were huge phenomenons and try replicate that success with a new product.
    I see. So apparently you ignored TTGL and few other titles that did well just like that?

    Yeah, you don't even know what you're spewing about.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:55 No.41145275
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:56 No.41145282
    >>41145156
    >>41145188
    >>41145207
    Every single one of those is probably better than "Generic fan-service ecchi harem incest #53" that come out every season since the last few years.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:56 No.41145286
    To the angry kid complaining about moeshit.
    1) Do you have data to back up your claims? For example, can you prove that anime that try to captivate 2ch are less successful than those that don't? Or that "moe anime" on the average do worse than the others?

    2) It's interesting how you presume that animation companies have no idea about the animation market while you apparently know how to fix things. They are idiots that like to lose money, you are the genius.
    If that is so, why are you spending time here instead of making money with animation? What kind of credentials do you have that makes you an expert?

    3) Do you watch what you call "moeshit"?

    4) Can you prove that they are only doing moe?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:56 No.41145287
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    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:58 No.41145308
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:58 No.41145314
    anon 1 = the industry staring to get shit

    anon 2 = the industry is always shit

    what Yutaka Yamamoto trying to say = the industry never improve if this stuff continue
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)07:58 No.41145315
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:59 No.41145324
    >>41145273
    >TTGL
    >good

    Nope. It's just as bad as any other moeshit and ecchi shows but with ZOMG GIANT ROBOTS AND LAZORS AND FLASHING LIGHTS. And everyone ate it up. Ate it up good.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:59 No.41145325
    >>41145282
    >ecchi harem
    >since the last few years.
    underageb&.

    Just get the fuck out, your obvious lack of knowledge is just painful to watch.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:59 No.41145327
    I'd rather have anime stay niche to be honest. Targeted to a certain group rather than have Ghibli-like anime.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)07:59 No.41145331
    >>41145156
    >And where did it come from? I don't see you mentioning how the anime industry crashed and was on the verge of death in the early 00s. Anime started becoming bigger in the late 90s and got even bigger in the 00s.

    The reason for the spike in popularity in the 00s was due to the fact they were able to pull revenue streams from international audiences with guess what, Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion.
    The 00s "anime boom" was not because of Japan or its market, but because stateside audiences lagged behind Japan. It was a lucky second wind.

    >This whole post is pure ignorance You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and should just shut up.. Go back to /co/, /v/ or where ever or just sit back and educate yourself a little bit before speaking further, please.

    Thanks for your compelling argument there.
    Please show me recent anime that was truly innovative, well written and had mass market appeal... oh wait.... there isn't any.
    The reason Cowboy Bebop is popular is because it is of such high quality it is something you would expect from HBO and it broke the mold of late 90s anime.

    >I missed no point.

    Your post was about the animation itself, mine is about the market anime is in.

    Sure they might be able to do better things with animation today but guess what, it was not the animation techniques that made Cowboy Bebop or Evangelion so fucking popular.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:00 No.41145338
    >>41145156
    Do you have any charts for the years before 1990?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:00 No.41145339
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    >>41145324

    You're not even trying anymore.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:00 No.41145345
    Most of 90s anime is for mainstream

    Most of 00s anime is for otaku
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:00 No.41145352
    >>41145324
    Confirmed for underage troll. Despite what you may think, acting retarded and ignorant != trolling.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:01 No.41145359
    >>41145211
    Geez, I guess you missed the four years of rule under George W. Bush, eh? Oh wait, he got elected again even after all the fuck ups he did by the "people".
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:01 No.41145370
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    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:01 No.41145371
    >>41145275
    >Revolutionary Girl Utena

    Nigger you mad
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:01 No.41145376
    >>41145345
    So what mainstream shows did the 90 have?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:03 No.41145401
    If you dislike new anime, just stop watching it, fucktard.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:04 No.41145417
    OMG REMEMBER WHEN HE HAD VHS RECORDERS GUISE?????

    THE FILM INDUSTRY DIEEED

    OR HOMETAPING

    THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS ALREADY DEEEED
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:04 No.41145429
    >So apparently you ignored TTGL and few other titles that did well just like that?

    Where? 4chan?

    When I talk about Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion I actually am talking about WORLDWIDE TELEVION RATINGS.

    Cowboy Bebop was had extremely high viewers in THE UNITED STATES, it was credited for stealing a large portion of the tonight shows viewership.

    Evangelion had some of the highest television ratings in Australia EVER, the show was so popular it was shown multiple times on the same night during primetime on one of their most popular channels.

    TTGL was not a critical or mainstream success, it was aimed at people already watching anime.

    With Mainstream appeal and blue ocean, I am talking about TARGETING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT NORMALLY WATCH ANIME NOR EVEN LOOK AT ANIME AS A SOURCE OF ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH IS 99.9% OF THE WORLDS POPULATION.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:05 No.41145443
    >>41145352
    I'm not underage nor am I trolling. Try again.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:06 No.41145452
    >>41145376
    Neon Genesis Evangelion, the show that is credited for "changing anime forever"?

    Cowboy Bebop?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:06 No.41145465
    Hey, dipshit, if you are so smart why are you not making millions? If you know how to do it, create a company and get rich doing anime for the masses.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:07 No.41145493
    >>41145429

    Why do we want things to be mainstream? Mainstream audiences have a ton of stuff made for them, go watch that stuff. Let me have my Japanese cartoons.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:08 No.41145509
    >>41145108

    my thoughts exactly.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:09 No.41145521
    >>41145465
    I do not have the skill to create anime nor run a company.

    All I am talking about is how the market reacts and how companies in the past in music, film, television, gaming and anime have created not just shows, but cultural phenomenons.

    http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

    Again I will point you to the birdmen and casual fallacy, this will do a better job of explaining the market ideas of disruption and blue ocean better than I ever could.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:10 No.41145551
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    >>41145331
    >Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion
    First of all, Cowboy Bebop is more of an American phenomenon. It was never that well known in Europe and wasn't even broadcast in many European countries.

    Also, I'd love to see you back up your claims with numbers.

    How many people bought Cowboy Bebop DVDs? Do you actually think this show appealed to a demographic outside of American nerds who have always been watching cartoons and reading comics (just perhaps not Japanese)? You must be delusional.

    Evangelion was much more successful, but it also pretty much only appealed to nerds. There is no mainstream market for animation outside of pixar/disney family films.

    And this isn't different in Japan either. What are mainstream anime in Japan? Serious business mature shows for mature viewers like yourself? No, not at all. Shows like Sazae-san or Doraemon, K-ON! to a lesser degree perhaps. Unoffensive shows, light-hearted entertainment.

    If you want your anime to become mainstream prepare for all shows to become like that. Not to mention that this segment of the market is most likely saturated, so if more people started making shows like that this wouldn't mean that the mainstream would start watching these shows all, simply because the mainstream doesn't watch a lot of cartoons, except for the odd show they can watch with family, or some animated film every few years.

    tl;dr - you're an underageb& moron who is way too retarded to argue in a proper fashion. Come back when you're done with high school.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:10 No.41145554
    >>41145429
    >ignorant faggot
    china has 1300000000 people
    and 10% of chinese watch anime
    >TARGETING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT NORMALLY WATCH ANIME NOR EVEN LOOK AT ANIME AS A SOURCE OF ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH IS 99.9% OF THE WORLDS POPULATION.
    your argument is invalid
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:10 No.41145556
    >>41145429
    >Cowboy Bebop was had extremely high viewers in THE UNITED STATES
    >THE UNITED STATES
    >THE UNITED STATES
    >THE UNITED STATES
    >THE UNITED STATES
    SOMEONE HOLD ME TIGHT I'M CHOKING HERE

    You do realize that 99% of anime is tailored for the domestic market? RIGHT? When people talk about "success" or the "industry is failing", they're referring the domestic market. NO ONE gives a shit about success in other countries when we're talking about niche things such as anime. Anime will NEVER be mainstream unless it's Disney type of thing, like Ghibli.

    Most producers aren't even expecting to succeed in foreign countries. I don't know what fantasy world you're living in but holy shit, it's about time you snap out of that. It's starting to get embarrasing.
    >> 40% !sBPA/ggN3A 10/10/10(Sun)08:10 No.41145558
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    >>41145145
    >shows like Evangelion and Bebop were huge phenomenon
    Bebop was a massive flop in Japan, it's only popular in the west. Judging by that and the fact you're spamming the word 'moeshit', I can only assume you're a buzzword spouting idiot who parrots on bullshit arguments based on your own misconceptions.

    The industry is not dying. If anything, in the past 10 years, the industry has put more weight on animation as an art form. Certainly, there are some examples of generic or unoriginal works (which is not a measure of quality) but it is literally impossible for a media form to have those.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:10 No.41145560
    >>41145331

    >The reason for the spike in popularity in the 00s was due to the fact they were able to pull revenue streams from international audiences with guess what, Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion.

    No, it wasn't. You're pulling shit out of your ass. There was a larger emphasis on the foreign market in the eraly 00s, yet that was only apart of why the market started getting bigger.

    >The 00s "anime boom" was not because of Japan or its market, but because stateside audiences lagged behind Japan. It was a lucky second wind.

    So then why was the market at its biggest when they had long stopped caring about the international market?

    >Thanks for your compelling argument there. Please show me recent anime that was truly innovative, well written and had mass market appeal... oh wait.... there isn't any.

    I'm not going to name any. Not because I can't, but because you are a faggot who doesn't know any anime outside of Bebop and Eva and willl pass off anything after looking at it a few seconds in Wikipedia.

    >The reason Cowboy Bebop is popular is because it is of such high quality it is something you would expect from HBO and it broke the mold of late 90s anime.

    Spoken truly like someone who can't name any 90s anime that didn't air on adult swim.

    >Sure they might be able to do better things with animation today but guess what, it was not the animation techniques that made Cowboy Bebop or Evangelion so fucking popular.

    What are you even arguing here?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:11 No.41145581
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    >>41145287
    Holy shit. Best year for anime ever.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:12 No.41145587
    >>41145493

    Because without the mainstream we will not have competition and without competition we will not have innovation.

    I am not arguing that we should entirely get rid of Moeshit, but the problem is that the industry is starting to stagnate and that is showing with mass closure of studios and the quality of anime just tumbling.

    In an industry that costs alot to keep afloat and people not getting any real money or pay for what they are doing, you are going to get a half-assed product as a result.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:13 No.41145604
    >>41145558

    > Bebop was a massive flop in Japan

    If by "massive flop" you mean "one of the best selling shows of the decade", you're right. It was up there with Gundam, K-ON and Bakemonogatari.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:13 No.41145609
    >>41145521
    >I do not have the skill to create anime nor run a company.
    You don't need that if your idea is so great.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:14 No.41145621
    >>41144098
    This is the guy who warned them not to do Endless Eight just before quitting.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:15 No.41145641
    >>41145587
    >we will not have innovation.
    Just. Stop.

    We've had plentiful of "DEEP" and "ARTSY" anime during these 2 years.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:16 No.41145662
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    >>41145587

    >Because without the mainstream we will not have competition and without competition we will not have innovation.

    Looks like we've got an economics major here.

    >I am not arguing that we should entirely get rid of Moeshit, but the problem is that the industry is starting to stagnate and that is showing with mass closure of studios and the quality of anime just tumbling.

    Link?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:16 No.41145673
    http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/600507/n/Suspended-Animation

    OKAY YOU FUCKING RETARDS, FUCKING WATCH THIS.

    "DUUUR THE ANIME INDUSTY IS AT ITS FUCKING HEIGHT NOW!!!" NO IT IS FUCKING NOT, IT IS FUCKING ON THE VERGE OF DEATH, LOOK AT THOSE ANIME PRODUCERS, DO THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE ROLLING IN CASH? NO THEY ARE BASICALLY ON THE VERGE OF TEARS.

    WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU PULLING THIS BULLSHIT THAT "DUUUR ANIME IS MORE POPULAR THAN EVER!!!!" GUESS WHAT FAGGOTS, 4CHAN IS NOT THE FUCKING ENTIRE WORLD, THE FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT ABLE TO KEEP AN ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY AFLOAT.

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:16 No.41145674
    I'm an economist and the idiot talking about how "moe is killing the anime industry" is making me rage.
    Not so much because I enjoy some moe anime, but because the idiot is fucking ignorant.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:17 No.41145687
    graduate != intellectual

    opinions.
    he wants anime to cater to normalfags;
    ie. nofunallowed/twilight

    no thanks
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:18 No.41145706
    >>41145662
    http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/600507/n/Suspended-Animation

    From the mouths of the fucking people working in the industry themselves.
    The industry is stagnating and is on the verge of collapse.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:19 No.41145720
    >>41145673
    The kid snapped and posted his shitty video again. Anime industry taking heavy hits during recession? Who would have thought.

    What we've arguing is that it's not "moe" (a word you do not know the meaning of) that is killing the industry. You're so fucking dumb it's unbelievable.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:19 No.41145736
    >>41145587
    >Because without the mainstream we will not have competition and without competition we will not have innovation.
    You seem to have a weird understanding of the free-market. First of all, that's not how competition works, simply because the anime we have now cater to a completely different audience. Second, if the mainstream had demand for mainstream anime, companies would deliver - but guess what? The mainstream doesn't want mainstream anime on a large scale. They get a film once in a while which they can watch with their families and maybe an unoffensive TV show (in most cases they simply watch those which are still running though).

    And how do we not have innovation? Haven't plenty of great shows come out in the recent years?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:20 No.41145746
    >>41145706

    No. I don't want subjective bullshit. I want actual proof. Facts.

    But obviously don't have any. Because you have no idea what you're talking about.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:20 No.41145752
    >>41145706

    We've been through that one before. It's a thinly veiled "THINK OF THE CARTOON CHILDREN" report from our friends in Australia.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:21 No.41145761
    >>41145687
    >retarded shows that kill your braincells and make you look like a total idiot in the eyes of others
    >fun

    lol
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:21 No.41145769
    >The fans might be cheerful, but behind the scenes anime is in big trouble. In a suburb in the north of Tokyo I found out why. This is A-Line Productions. Three years ago the owner, Kazumori Hashimoto, noticed a new trend. It began with a fall in TV advertising revenue, which soon meant less money for making anime. Instead of more than 100 different programs being broadcast each week, there are now less than 50.

    >KAZUMORI HASHIMOTO, A-LINE STUDIO OWNER (Translation): We can't make what we want to make. To keep the business going our products must sell. The industry is geared to where demand is - which is the obsessive fan market, not the general public. That's the trend I worried about most.

    >Hashimoto's studio is faring better than most, though, but the industry's troubles are taking a toll on its workers, like 21-year-old Yuichi Namiki. Yuichi works in almost monastic silence. It's painstaking work that requires precision and intense concentration, and he does this for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week. Most animators are paid per sketch and the fee has barely changed in 30 years.

    >YUICHI NAMIKI, ANIME ARTIST (Translation): If I can work a bit harder, draw faster and increase the speed I turn out drawings and work longer hours, I think I can manage.

    >Yuichi tells me he earns about $900 a month - not enough to rent a room in the world's most expensive city so for now he still lives at home.

    >YUICHI NAMIKI (Translation): I want to live alone. But if I don't have enough work I can't pay my expenses and I'll probably have to quit. It'll be hard.

    SURE SOUNDS LIKE ANIME IS BOOMING AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT... RIGHT!
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:22 No.41145777
    >>41145761
    >retarded cartoons that kill your braincells and make you look like a total idiot in the eyes of others
    >normal
    lol
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:23 No.41145801
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    >>41145673
    They can say what they want, their impression is worth shit if it disagrees with the numbers. There is a demand for a certain kind of anime, thus it will be catered to. That's how the market works.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:23 No.41145812
    >>41145769

    SURE SOUNDS LIKE YOUR TAKING ONLY THE "EVIDENCE" YOU THINK SUPPORTS YOUR DELUSIONS, RIGHT?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:23 No.41145813
    >>41145736
    >Second, if the mainstream had demand for mainstream anime, companies would deliver - but guess what? The mainstream doesn't want mainstream anime on a large scale.

    Proof?
    Evangelion, Ghibli, Bebop say otherwise.

    With the shrinking population in Japan, Anime better start finding other sources of revenue or it is time to say goodbye to anime.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:23 No.41145817
    >>41145736
    >Haven't plenty of great shows come out in the recent years?

    No, just like America hasn't come up with anything great. HURR DURR let's not create cures for diseases but instead make medicine that only relieves pain so the money can keep flowing!
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:25 No.41145844
    >>41145761
    killing braincells? how ignorant must you be to even use that idiom?

    contrary to what you believe, anime for the masses would be even more idiotic
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    >>41145687
    >he wants anime to cater to normalfags;
    >ie. nofunallowed/twilight

    Most of /tv/ show is better than anime show nowadays

    and /tv/ show is for normalfag
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:25 No.41145850
    Hey, dipshit, why don't you look at data? For example what we have here:

    >>41145260
    The revenue of the anime market is pretty stable considering how badly the Japanese economy is doing.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:26 No.41145855
    >>41145812
    >Anime is quantifiably and verifiably dying
    >It's a "Delusion" to admit so
    lol u...
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:26 No.41145860
    >>41145845
    If so, stop watching anime and go to /tv/. Fuck off /a/
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    >141 posts and 26 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

    God damn you guys are retards.

    Also Birdy is an awful children's animu, and deserves the low sales it gets. Deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:27 No.41145880
    >copypasta
    >gorespammer
    >141 posts and 26 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

    Way to fail harder, /a/.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:27 No.41145883
    I always figured anime was pretty specialist, we're sorta lucky that one genre of anime is likely to be watched by a few crossover groups (interested outsiders) which means 'anime' as a whole is a whole lot broader then individual categories, which I guess means the market is a little big bigger then it would be otherwise. So, when something enters the market that isn't specifically liked everyone goes batshit insane, rather then ignoring it. go /a/. I wonder if its the same in Japan.

    Anyhow, my impression is that Japanese people fund all the sucesses of various studios, who try their best to keep costs down to actually try and make some money, whilst trying to find the secret ingredient of a show that everyone will like and love and watch.

    I hear the (japanese) industry is failing right now. What will these people do if they can't make a career out of it? Enter 'normal' society? Or continue on, passionately, regardless, because its something they believe in.

    The boom years mean lots of flufftastic crap. echhi and h seem a little more acceptable, and fairly marketable. Maybe a few rough years will polish up some gems.

    tl;dr I don't think anime is going away
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:27 No.41145888
    >>41145736
    The same could have been said of Video games in the 80s or early 90s.

    The same could have been said of thriller based television until shows like 24 or Lost.

    When the market gets something of great quality with any sort of marketing behind it, the market will react.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:28 No.41145891
    >>41145845
    its western, and not animated.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:28 No.41145901
    >>41145876
    profit in chidren's shows is in the merchandise
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:28 No.41145904
    >>41145888
    >quality
    >halo, cod, gow
    haha no
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:29 No.41145921
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    >>41145855

    >quantifiably dying

    Nope, try again.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:30 No.41145934
    Let's see the biggest successes of the last two seasons:
    K-ON!! and Strike Witches 2
    Are they anime for normalfags? No, not really.

    They did make Heroman that is more... western... How did it go? It failed.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:31 No.41145963
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    >intentionally left out "and Railgun win the Otaku market."
    >anon wonders why
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:31 No.41145967
    >>41145921
    Thanks for your useless chart that means nothing.

    Give me a number of how many studios exist today compared to how many studios existed in the 90s and then we will talk.

    10 studios making 200 billion yen >>>>>> 500 Studios making 250 billion yen.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:32 No.41145976
    >>41145934

    And Black Butler in the number 2 spot. Lets not forget the fujoshi market here.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:32 No.41145978
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    >>41145813
    >Evangelion, Ghibli, Bebop say otherwise.
    You have already been proven wrong about Evangelion and Bebop.

    Bebop is only popular in the US to that degree and only among nerds. Evangelion is only popular among nerds either, it has no mainstream appeal.

    Ghibli films are popular but I've already mentioned those as
    >a film once in a while which they can watch with their families
    so, if you had read a bit more attentively, which you should have been able to from your high horse position of higher education, you would have probably noticed.

    >With the shrinking population in Japan
    I don't see the current generation of otaku stop watching anime any time soon, and new ones are still born. If there's less of them they'll need different business models or adapt by other means, given contemporary technology there's no telling how the market segment will behave.

    In any case - the market won't die, simply because there is demand. You're like console kids on /v/ claiming PC gaming was dead, which people have been doing since the 80s.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:32 No.41145982
    >>41145934
    And looking at this season...
    Ika Musume is probably be a little bit more profitable than Iron Man.
    >> ( ´_ゝ`) l <3 annimeh !gJAmoEfAGs 10/10/10(Sun)08:33 No.41145998
    >>41145921
    Do you even know what information is on your chart? If you did, I don't think you'd be posting it as evidence of anything but the fact that a market exists, and it is about as large as it was in 2002.

    I eagerly await your damage control.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:33 No.41146006
    >>41145845
    If you actually believe that, maybe you're better off on /tv/ than on /a/, then all our problems would be solved.

    Simply stop watching anime and get the fuck out.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:33 No.41146008
    >>41145967
    >Thanks for your useless chart that means nothing.
    Except... you know... The SIZE OF THE ANIME MARKET.
    That's what is being discussed.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:33 No.41146013
    >>41145934

    BUT PEOPLE WHO LIKE THOSE SHOWS ARE A MINORITY AND PEOPLE WHO LIKE SHOWS THAT I LIKE ARE A MAJORITY AND THERE'S NO PROFITS IN A MINORITY YOU BAKA
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:34 No.41146021
    >>41145876
    This thread is retarded. Except Birdy wasn't awful. Quit trolling there.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:34 No.41146025
    >>41145904
    haha faggot.

    Halo, Call of Duty are aimed at the Hardcore market.

    Games like Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Brothers are aimed at the general (casual) market.

    Guess what games are more fun to play and are of higher quality faggot.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:34 No.41146028
    >>41145967
    competition!
    I disagree, less is not more, more is more. And More And More and MOAAAARR.

    Add in number of anime companies.
    Then adjust bell-curve for number of companies earning amounts in each bracket (fail, breaking even, profitable, super-profitable)... and then we have some fucking statistics.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:34 No.41146036
    >>41145976
    Exactly.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:35 No.41146052
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    >>41145967
    Can you herp any harder?

    His chart shows the industry worth, number of studios is irrelevant given how its nearly a perfect competition market. If the H.H. Index or 4-corp index was large, shit might matter, but Studios can agglomerate and you wouldn't notice a fucking difference.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:35 No.41146062
    >implying most japanese writers are capable of creativity rather than recycling the same plot over and over because if it ain't broke don't fix it
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:36 No.41146074
    >>41146025
    >Halo
    >Call of Duty
    >hardcore
    lolno

    Everybody and their grandmother knows about those series
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:37 No.41146089
    >>41145998

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-08-21/report/domestic/intl-animation-market-in-japan-grew-
    1.6-percent-in-09

    >The results include theatrical films, home video sales and rentals, television animation, and online distribution via computers, Internet Protocol Television, and mobile phones.

    This doesn't even consider merchandising which has gotten even bigger.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:37 No.41146098
    >>41146025
    You're an idiot.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:37 No.41146099
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    >Mr Yamamoto affirms that the creators and the fans are “too close.” This is the biggest reason behind the isolation of the anime industry.

    And that's why Evangelion is so notorious, because Anno doesn't give a fuck.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:38 No.41146106
    >>41145998
    A market exists and it has maintained a certain level. Money can be made, money will be made. This is a certainty.

    >it is about as large as it was in 2002
    And it's also larger than in 2003 and 2008, your point being?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:38 No.41146117
    >>41146052
    How many of those studios are actually of quality?
    >> ( ´_ゝ`) l <3 annimeh !gJAmoEfAGs 10/10/10(Sun)08:40 No.41146146
    >>41146089
    So you continue to assert that a market most definitely exists, when no one actually questioned that.

    Great debate skills, chief. Now how about answering why you think the size of the market is indicative of its health? You don't need to answer. I've prepared it right here for you in a spoiler tag:

    You're stupid. You're a child, and you have an incomplete, one-sided, consumer-level understanding of how everything works.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!12SEFhiHDdm 10/10/10(Sun)08:40 No.41146151
    >>41146117

    >derp derp let me continually move the goal post anytime I'm proven wrong.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:41 No.41146177
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    >>41146117
    >trying to bring a subjective value into an argument over statistics
    Maybe you should go read up on how economics works
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:41 No.41146179
    >>41146117
    If you have a lot of anime come out, the chance for something of quality popping up is much greater.

    We've had a lot of quality anime in the 00s, and you must be a fucking idiot if you disagree.

    What about Monster, Akagi, Kaiji, Planetes, Kaiba, Dennou Coil, Mushishi, ...?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:41 No.41146181
    >>41146074
    Halo and Call Of Duty are aimed at the hardcore market.

    They are FPS games, they are based on leader board competition and are both played competitively and are officially supported as such by WCG.

    FPS games do not have mass market appeal outside of gamers, a definition of a "casual game" is something that is marketed towards everyone, not just gamers, stuff like Mario Bros, Wii Fit, Brain Training etc etc.

    The reason I tend to like casual games more is because they actually focus on gameplay over presentation, I would rather play Mario Galaxy over Mass Effect 2, it is just a much more fun game, I would rather play Wii Sports than Resident Evil.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:42 No.41146188
    >>41146025
    >Now how about answering why you think the size of the market is indicative of its health?
    Because it is.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:42 No.41146191
    >>41145998
    why does this retard keep posting when he has nothing good to say? ever.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:43 No.41146203
    >>41146151

    Whenever these little back and forths happen, it always seems that one side has all the figures and statistics to back them up, the other has vague statements, subjective reports, assumptions and conjecture.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:43 No.41146204
    >>41145673
    As much as it hurts to admit it, this /a/non is right.
    It's dying, /a/...

    All good things must come to an end...
    Sadface
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:43 No.41146211
    >>41146181

    brb posting this on /v/. Should be good for a laugh.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:43 No.41146212
    I didn't read the thread, but I'm guessing there are tons of butthurt faggots trying to defend by saying "you don't know what moe means! It can be everything!", and so on.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:45 No.41146247
    >>41146212

    Surprisingly enough, not this time.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:45 No.41146252
    >>41146212
    Yotsuba C is here, and you clearly noticed. You're not a wizard for predicting bears shit in the woods.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:45 No.41146259
    >>41146191
    Because he's a troll. You should simply ignore him.

    He's having the same argument again and again, every day. He has been proven wrong again and again, but that doesn't stop him because he doesn't have this conversation for the purpose of getting to a point, but simply for the purpose of conversation itself.

    tl;dr - ignore him.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:45 No.41146261
    >>41146117
    >Studios
    I don't think what you think about anime studios is as valid as you'd like it to be, the same studio that made Nodame Cantabile and R.O.D. can just as well make Tsukihime, Studios are virtually interchangeable names. Most studios house smaller studio divisions and many outsource to other studios for inbetween work and non-animated related items.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:46 No.41146264
    >>41146212
    No.
    There is one person saying anime is dying with his impressions. And other people actually posting facts to prove otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:46 No.41146269
    >>41146204
    cool story samefag

    Why didn't you respond to the arguments proving him wrong?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:47 No.41146287
    ITT few stupid kids straight from ANN riding on the "anime is dying!!" bandwagon
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:48 No.41146294
    How the hell am I supposed to figure out who's posing the right arguments?
    You guys make this impossible...
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:48 No.41146310
    >>41146179
    >We've had a lot of quality anime in the 00s, and you must be a fucking idiot if you disagree.
    >Monster
    >Akagi
    >Kaiji
    >Mushishi
    >Planetes
    adaptation
    and sold like crap except Mushishi

    >Kaiba,
    >Dennou Coil
    great big pile o' crap for sale
    Otaku don't buy it
    >> Pestilence !!vKqWKxLMglQ 10/10/10(Sun)08:49 No.41146318
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    >come back home
    >check /a/
    >see this same thread
    >191 posts and 34 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:49 No.41146319
    >>41146211
    He's right though. Halo and CoD are nowadays considered the hardcore market.

    Of course these games are nothing in comparison with games like Quake, but due to gaming itself becoming more mainstream gaming itself has shifted towards casualness.

    Casual gamers are nowadays your grandma playing wii bowling, hardcore gamers are everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:50 No.41146354
    If you want to prove that anime is dying...
    You have to show that the revenue of the anime industry in Japan is decreasing as a percentage of the revenue of the television/movies industry in Japan.
    If you can prove a downward trend, you have an argument. If not... Well, you don't.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:51 No.41146366
    >>41146052
    Gaming today is at all time profits high, yet this generation has been so sad with decent games I often cringe having to try pick a game to play because they are all so tedious.

    While you get a few curve balls like Modern Warfare 2 who sell bucketloads, you normally find games with decent gameplay and both mass market and hardcore appeal sell the best, games like NSMB or Galaxy or whatever.

    Sales =/= Health of a creative industry, at the moment anime is stuck in the rut of just copying eachother over and over and it is getting more than just tedious.

    /tv/ though, goddamn If anime gets a show like Spartacus Blood and Sand in the next couple seasons, I will take everything I have said bad about anime back.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:52 No.41146378
    >>41146294
    Read the graphs YotsubaC posted.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:52 No.41146379
    >>41146294
    The ones providing statistics are right. The ones pulling their impressions out of their asses are wrong.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:52 No.41146388
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    >>41146177
    I know how economics works. I lived through Americas' "great" boom in the 80s and 90s and America is enjoying its recession.

    Innovation brought nothing once companies had no more reason to be innovated.

    Capitalism blows.

    Deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:52 No.41146393
    >>41146310
    >adaptation
    How is that even relevant?

    >sold like crap
    >great big pile o' crap for sale
    >Otaku don't buy it
    What about the mainstream market you were talking about? Shouldn't they have eagerly bought it if there was such a demand for serious anime?

    Maybe it has something to do with the mainstream having no interest in serious anime after all.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:53 No.41146402
    >>41145673
    YES, this was the video I was looking for, I kept searching for "stagnant animation".


    Thanks man.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:53 No.41146407
    >>41146318
    >K-ON gif
    >tripfag
    how typical. go back to gaia, they seem to like the ecchi>>>>>everything idea

    and what were you doing outside anyways, trying lose weight? fat chance of that happening
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:53 No.41146409
    >>41146366
    In the end it all comes down to "they are not making anime I like". This is not the same thing as "the anime industry is dying".
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:53 No.41146426
    >>41146354
    Revenue doesn't mean a god damn thing. The American housing market was BOOMING before the collapse. You idiots citing the existence of the anime industry as evidence for its health are too fucking stupid for words.

    Hurr durr look how much monies it makes! It can't die! The munnie!

    Learn what profit means, and understand that you don't actually have access to that information, which means, YOU GUESSED IT: you're an ignorant fucker with your thumb up your ass and a folder full of useless charts.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:54 No.41146439
    >>41146319
    >Halo and CoD are nowadays considered the hardcore market.
    That's fucking pathetic. Vidya industry confirmed for dead.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:55 No.41146446
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    >>41146393
    >Maybe it has something to do with the mainstream having no interest in serious anime after all.

    >Bleach
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:55 No.41146450
    >>41146393
    mainstream does not want animation
    it wants to see real people; actors
    goddamn 3DPD
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:56 No.41146464
    >>41146426
    >Bubble Boom
    Oh shit nigga, maybe you should learn to economics before you hurt yourself
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:56 No.41146466
    >>41146366
    Your gaming argument is counter-productive to your original argument here though, because gaming was healthy while it was still a niche.

    Gaming was the best when games were made by fellow nerds, by gamers for gamers.

    Nowadays, gaming has become a huge industry and caters to the mainstream and it has become completely shitty.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:56 No.41146470
    >>41146393
    More to do with bad marketing more like it.

    Marketing + Good product = Mainstream appeal.

    Marketing + bad product = Gamble.

    No Marketing + Good Product = Failure.

    If you have seen the quality of TV over in Japan you bet your ass the mainstream wants something to watch, anything actually that is not a shitty variety show or shitty show about ramen stores.

    I nearly off'd myself for the month I had to stay over there.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:56 No.41146472
    >>41146388
    >I know how economics works.
    Economist here... Let's see...

    >I lived through Americas' "great" boom in the 80s and 90s and America is enjoying its recession.
    I hope you don't think this is evidence that you know Economics.

    >Innovation brought nothing once companies had no more reason to be innovated.
    >Capitalism blows.
    You don't know Economics.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:57 No.41146483
    Something needs to be done. We need a new breed of Anime.

    Something that appeals to normalfags. Just a few aught to bring Anime back. Not too many, otherwise the old fanbase will rip it appart. Just a slight touch here and there needs to be done.

    One normalfag Anime every season would be a good start. Increase the number of normalfag stuff until you no longer need it and you see the market balancing. Making too many at once won't work so start with just a few and slowly ease in into reality.

    That's how it's done. Any good chef knows that.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:57 No.41146494
    http://behind-the.nihonreview.com/20090427/otaku-soul-an-interview-with-yamamoto-yutaka/
    http://bizmakoto.jp/makoto/articles/1007/26/news010.html

    Sure is selective greentext to purposely take shit out of context there, OP. And the last two quotes seems like pure bullshit compared to their original quote. Should had been fucking obvious given the "sakuga fags" quote. No real translation for an interview would even use the word fag.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:58 No.41146503
    >>41146470
    i can assure you that no matter how much marketing is done for anime, it still won't sell well in the mainstream market.
    if this were a real possibility then it would have already been realised, since people are always out to make money.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:58 No.41146505
    >>41146464
    >I do mental gymnastics to avoid accepting the truth, because I choose instead to troll /a/. Lol I bump thread now.
    You're an idiot.
    >> Pestilence !!vKqWKxLMglQ 10/10/10(Sun)08:59 No.41146520
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    >>41146407
    Now you're just trying to fish a reply from me. I'm certainly not fat, but I do work out if that's what you're inquiring.

    Not going to bother reading this shitty thread though. CTRL+F + input "moeshit" is indicative enough of the quality of this thread.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)08:59 No.41146530
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    >>41146503
    >if this were a real possibility then it would have already been realised
    Oh wow.

    EVERYTHING POSSIBLE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE!

    I can tell you're going to grow into QUITE the innovator, anon!

    No really. You're too much. You should do comedy.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:00 No.41146534
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    >>41146472
    Well Reagan sure did know economics giving us a 13 trillion dollar deficit, eh!?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:00 No.41146536
    >>41146470
    In the case of the manga adaptions, they already should have had enough advertising due to the manga being popular. And if there really was such a demand it should have sold anyway, but it didn't.

    I can only repeat - the mainstream has no interest in watching serious animation on a regular basis. This is something only nerds do.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:00 No.41146543
    >>41146530
    no way, marketing an anime to the mainstream market hasn't already been tried? holy shit we're on to something here /a/non
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:01 No.41146556
    >>41146426
    >Revenue doesn't mean a god damn thing. The American housing market was BOOMING before the collapse. You idiots citing the existence of the anime industry as evidence for its health are too fucking stupid for words.
    >Hurr durr look how much monies it makes! It can't die! The munnie!

    What you said makes no sense at all.

    >Learn what profit means, and understand that you don't actually have access to that information, which means, YOU GUESSED IT: you're an ignorant fucker with your thumb up your ass and a folder full of useless charts.
    This doesn't make much sense either. Are you saying that the costs are going up?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:02 No.41146567
    >>41146483
    Why? Anime is fine the way it is.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:02 No.41146569
    >>41146536
    >Monster
    >Akagi
    >Kaiji

    Well, these 3 are mainstream manga in japan
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:02 No.41146572
    >>41146494
    >>41146494
    >>41146494
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:02 No.41146573
    >>41146483

    So... kind of like what's happening already with things like Noitamina? Nodame Cantabile, Hataraki Man and Honey & Clover have done pretty damn well. Inspiring live action movies and dramas, spinoffs, the whole deal.

    Things like Noitamina are what you're talking about and it already exists. It's a late night slot, but with shows aimed at more general audiences. It's a good halfway house.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:02 No.41146577
    >>41146483
    >Eva 2.0 was the 8th most grossing movie in japan during 2009
    >Pokemon, the 5th

    Shit nigga, it's really like anime series like Doraemon and Hello Kitty don't fucking exist and continue to bring in billions of yen worth of profit every year. Or studios like Ghibli don't even mean shit
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:02 No.41146579
    >>41146520
    >"Moeshit" used frequently:
    Good thread. Internet watchdogs are out in force to help keep moefaggots from affecting the newer posters with their cancerous poison, and wrong opinions.

    >"Moeshit" not used
    Shit thread. Tripfag circlejerking. Role playing. Escapism. Probably a general thread that intelligent people immediately hide.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:03 No.41146601
    >>41146466
    Not really.

    Gaming today has set its sights at competitive gaming, it is a totally different market than even what we see back in the early 00s.

    Gamers today want to prove they are worth something and follow the dream of becoming "l33t", Hardcore gaming today is more about grinding through ranks and stroking ones ego more than actually playing a game.

    Back in the 90s you will find that people didn't worry about that shit and game play ruled all, that is why we got alot of great games that have aged well to even today and these days I think outside of your big Hardcore franchises like Halo or CoD you will find that games that focus on gameplay like SMB will gain the most critical appeal and best sales.

    The reason Other M has flopped so bad is because it strayed from what made the series great and tried to turn it into a cliche ridden anime, people love Metroid because of its gameplay mechanics, people didn't want an action game full of anime cutscenes.
    This is why Metroid other M is the worst selling metroid game of all time and has not even sold a third of the worst selling Prime game.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:04 No.41146612
    >>41146534
    What in the fuck Reagan has to do with this? He is totally unrelated to this discussion.
    I'm saying YOU are ignorant.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:06 No.41146664
    >>41146472
    Yea I gotta agree with >>41146534

    Where were you economic fags when Reagan was spending our money like a whore at a high school prom and giving us the huge deficit?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:07 No.41146678
    >>41146612
    >Reagan
    >totally unrelated to this discussion.
    >Is the FIGUREHEAD of the economic model in question
    Yotsuba C dicksuckers are the absolute worst knuckle-dragging simians on /a/. At least the other dumbshits have their own mind they spew putrid filth from. Yotsuba C's fanbase just parrots his unbelievably stupid opinions.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:07 No.41146681
    >>41146569
    I'd rather call it a relative mainstream appeal, due to appealing to a wider audience than say - Strike Witches, but still by no means something that has a real mass appeal.

    And it still wasn't enough to get people interested in the anime. Doesn't that prove my point?

    I can only cite the video game industry as an example of approaching the mainstream to backfire, and I'm certain the same would happen to anime.

    Anime is fine the way it is. They're catering to our interests and that's a good thing. What is your problem with anime staying in a niche? I wish gaming was still like that.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:07 No.41146684
    >>41145673
    >>41145673
    >>41145673
    >>41145673
    I had to pause this about 300 times because this is madness! Goddammit.


    It's true, though. Too many ravenous fans demand more shit and the animating studios are not obligated to appease these fans, but unable to refuse what they want because there are so many ravenous fans that will not acept anything but the shit that they are being given.

    It's not the industry going down, it's the industry being backed into a corner and THEN being crushed. As of now it's being backed into a corner. If something isn't done they are fucked.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:08 No.41146692
    >>41146494
    Seems like they really took things out of context
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:08 No.41146693
    >>41146573
    >Nodame Cantabile, Hataraki Man and Honey & Clover have done pretty damn well. Inspiring live action movies and dramas, spinoffs, the whole deal.

    you are a fucking retarded

    Those Manga was already popular in japan before anime

    Also Nodame Cantabile live action drama is before anime show
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:09 No.41146725
    >Animation won't sell to the mainstream market.
    >The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park are just not some of the biggest television series of all time and are all in actual fact, failures.

    Cool story /a/.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:09 No.41146731
    >>41146579

    Oh, cancerous newfag troll trying to be funny.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:10 No.41146757
    >>41146684
    i'm a baker
    i hate making bagels, but everyone seems to love them and they keep buying them all the time
    i feel like i'm being forced to make bagels
    if something isn't done i'm going to be fucked
    i just know it ;_;
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:11 No.41146762
    >>41146693

    And? They were still popular, isn't that what this is all about?

    Along side adaptations of popular manga, Noitamina runs original content shows like Tatami Galaxy and Tokyo Magnitude. One props up the other, best of both worlds. It's a good way of doing things.
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:11 No.41146774
    >>41146731
    >>41146731
    oh, butthurt k-onfag trying to sound mature
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:11 No.41146776
    >>41146612
    >claim to be an economist
    >allow shit like what happened with Reagen to happen
    >display a lack of economic foresight
    >expects people to trust you

    Stay classy, economic bro. Fight for those innovation, yo!
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:12 No.41146787
    >>41146664
    >Where were you economic fags when Reagan was spending our money like a whore at a high school prom and giving us the huge deficit?
    Depends which one. I was 10 years old in 1989, so I was probably playing videogames or studying.
    And... What he has to do with this?

    >>41146678
    Explain yourself better.
    What is the relationship between Reagan and the anime industry?
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:13 No.41146800
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    >>41146684
    >MFW Dragon Quest IX was shown with full open world and realtime combat and a release date only like a month from the first trailer.
    >2ch bitches like Satan on his period.
    >Entire game goes back in development for a year to change it back to the status quo.
    >when released 2ch bitches it isn't open world and real time like Monster Hunter.

    GODDAMN I FUCKING HATE YOU 2CH!
    >> Anonymous 10/10/10(Sun)09:13 No.41146807
    >>41146601
    >Gaming today has set its sights at competitive gaming, it is a totally different market than even what we see back in the early 00s.
    I disagree here.

    If gaming was about actual competition, we'd be getting games like Quake. But we don't, because Quake is hard to learn and in Quake usually the better and more talented player wins.

    >Hardcore gaming today is more about grinding through ranks and stroking ones ego more than actually playing a game.
    This is more like it. Rewarding players based on how many time they invest rather than how good they are. Stroking their egos and giving them an impression of being hardcore while they actually suck.


    Where are games like Fallout or Arcanum nowadays? What about the X-Com or Jagged Alliance series? My beloved flight sims have become an incredibly small niche segment of the market and I wonder if Storm of War will ever get released.

    I maintain my position - approaching the mainstream market has made gaming worse, and the same would happen to anime because it wouldn't be economical to cater to our fetishes any more. You'd get Jersey Shore rather than K-ON!.



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