Anime will die because it is the same shit over and over: Pretty girls (AKA: "Moe") with no personality dictate the plot because fans wanted it even though they are poorly written, annoying, and usually are just walking fanservice.

I buy stuff that I feel is great. If I watch something and it is worthy of a purchase, then I usually will add it to my collection. Maybe if the anime industry improves quality, then I would buy more DVDs.

>>40038565
The fact of the matter is that if everyone who watched fan subs of shows that have already been licensed just stopped doing that and bought a DVD or 2 the industry in the US would be ALOT better off. I can't tell you the amount of friends I have that watch nothing but fan subs of shows that have been out in the US for years and never ever buy a single disc.

I don't like fan subs in any way but I can at least understand wanting to see something not released in the US. However just watching stuff online when you are clearly a anime fan when you could be supporting the industry by buying just a few DVD's is retarded.

>>40038617
inb4 YotsubaC

>the industry in the US would be ALOT better off

But I want it to die. The quicker the better.

Well, fuck you my friend, the western industrt needs to die a painful death.

Everything is going to die.

You will be healthier if you learn to accept that.

The problem is people don't buy anime, which causes snags which makes international releases take longer. Which is then the reason why people say they don't buy anime, etc.

Also, there is the whole "business legal contract" stuff. The American companies would LIKE to release it to you faster -- but Japanese business just doesn't work that way. They protect their home market, and Japanese business is notorious for being slow to change their business model.

(Sound familiar?)

I just think it's sad that so many people can claim to be anime "fans" and "fans" of certain shows, yet never buy shit, and sit there watching the industry go down the drain bc they want to be butthurt faggots with unrealistic consumer demands.

Don't like the 480p and blase subtitles on your DVDs? Buy the show to support the stuff you like and continue watching your 1080p or 720p HDTV/Bluray rips then.

No excuse, really.

>>40038565
>Mention of lady gaga
I was believing that until gaga.
Good troll though.

The ones that pirates will always make excuses.

The problem is that they don't sell subbed DVDs until months after a show comes out. Working!! ended more than eight weeks ago, I'm sure. Any sign of a subbed release? At all? I'd buy it, but it isn't available here subbed.
Enjoy your old shows.

>>40038617
So, the industry is dying because they don't make the animu you like?

I don't download anything I can legally purchase here in the US. Once shows that are actually fucking worth buying are available, I'll buy them. Until they are at my local Best Buy, I'm downloading. Fuck Japan and their $200 dvd sets and needing to buy a separate DVD player to watch them.

I will not support dubs.

>>40038658
>Buy the show to support the stuff you like

But why? I don't want to support Funimation, etc.

PIRACY KILLED THE MOVIE INDUSTRY

PIRACY KILLED THE MUSIC INDUSTRY

PIRACY KILLED THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY

PIRACY KILLED THE COMIC INDUSTRY

anime is already dead.

Who the fuck care about the sale of shit like k-on or failgun.

or all I care, they can just rot.

Its not gonna die anytime soon thanks to Otaku keeping some studios afloat. Its the distributors and publishers for not adapting to a changing market.

Majority of the shows I watch I end up buying if they hit overseas for collection value, majority of my spare income goes straight into figures and box sets

So fuck off

Addmittedly, I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree with the business side of this arguement. You can see it in a few posts already: I want it now, I want it cheap, and it's your job to make me happy mister anime company. I don't care if you can't make a living, or if it's legally difficult or even physically impossible, I want it my way NOW.

Maybe i'm just jaded in my old age. I remember my first Ranma VHS costing $50 for two episodes dub only (sub actually costed more). You get whole box sets for that now bilinguial. A year's wait? Oh woe is me. I might actually have to wait for something. As far as not knowing about a show, I guess ANN can stop with reviews because I guess people can't use them to make judgements. Even then, some of my favorite shows I bought "blind".

I do agree the industry needs to adapt in some areas, but fans need to accept anime will never develop the TV model. It won't be free to the audience without advertising, and frankly, any business might be hesitant to advertise on a medium whose fans won't shell out cash for the show they want, let alone the products they might not.

fact: if you don't live in japan and watch anime in japanese, then your actions in the marketplace have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the production of anime.

the only thing that is encouraged by americans spending money on anime is the production of more fucking dubs.

and if you want to see more dubs, then fucking whatever.

So guys, will ACTA affect us in any way? I was reading about it on /mu/ and in my mind it's more likely they'll go after people that download popular movies and music rather than anime and manga.

>>>/mu/12654086

you know, 2012 is gonna wipe us off from this planet before anime industry dies.

Wasn't this a blog post some shitty R1 company posted because they were going bankrupt?

Anime will die

But he'll go back to a time when he was happiest and he'd be back in the 1970s.

Manga wants to follow Anime, but Anime already loves Light Novel, so he'd go back in time and become his mother.

>People replying to a spam.

/a/ really got stupid over the time.

By the way, reported

>anime is going to die
Good.
Let the fucker burn.

I love hearing the piratefags come out of the wordwork and give all these shitty excuses, not even realizing how ridiculous they sound.

"I would buy anime if they did this and this..."
No you wouldn't faggot.

"I don't care I don't even like anime lulz"
Why the fuck are you here then?

And many others. Then you have the kids who think they're the shit because they learned how to use TT a month ago.

"Fuck them lulz I'ma l33t pirate arrrrr I downloaded 5000GB this week and didn't upload single KB of it either, give me props guise!"

You kids are hilarious. Not that I give a shit what you do, just wanted to let you know that I'm laughing at how stupid you sound. That's all.

>>40038722
You use ANN reviews to make judgments on what to buy? Get the fuck out, you don't belong here.

>>40038689
It is dying because there is little variety. I don't know, it just feels like a lot of the animes that are coming out are based more on fanservice and wonky characters then actual decent plots. Thats not to say that every anime that has come out is bad, but it is harder to find decent stuff to watch that isn't generic or slice of life crap.

Granted, I think it might be Japan in general. The Japanese gaming industry is going through the same thing, and you can sort of see it: Emphasis on graphics over story and gameplay.

Did you know, there are still japanese ironsmiths who forge with tamahagane? Sharp Katanas man...

You think Japan will let their culture die due to foreigners leeching terabytes of data per day?

Please...

derp tl;dr

>>40038617
>Pretty girls (AKA: "Moe")

a similar topic on the front page like 4 threads below this? MULTI-THREAD DRIFTING

>>40038743
i loled.

The biggest problem is the industry itself...in terms of supply and demand, the demand became bigger than the supply due to shitty translations, censoring, high prices, and slowness. So the consumers found a loophole which is free and have now become complacent and don't want to change their habits... agree or disagree

>>40038772

well, that's the reality. you can get used to it now, or you can get used to it later.

tl;dr

/a/ has little or no impact on the current state of anime.

And nothing lasts forever my friend. Including the interests we hold dearly to anime. I know i won't be at 50.

Oh, here it is.

http://goanimetv.com/?p=668

Yeah, like I give a shit about the R1 industry.

>>40038696
>But why? I don't want to support Funimation, etc.

Why not? Funimation support the Japanese companies with the license fees they pay.

It's a classic collective action problem. I would be happy to support the anime industry, but I know my indiviudal contribution won't do any good in the face of all the pirates out there. I would just be flushing my money down the toilet. The only way to solve the collective action problem is to stop the pirates by blocking bittorrent traffic, or something along those lines. the cure may be worse than the disease.

If it dies, it dies.

>>40038735
It was turned down in the EU and they called America out on a bunch of shit they were doing very wrong, doubt it's going to pass

Most of the money I spend on anime are on Anime figures(Figma) and art books. I'm curious just how much they contribute to the industry.

>>40038758
>"I would buy anime if they did this and this..."
>No you wouldn't faggot.

Yeah I would, faggot.

I already own anime that I like. You're full of shit.

>>40038818
A hell of a lot more than buying R1 dvds does.

Well the last time I supported Funimation, I bought "Darker than Black: The Complete First Season." Now I really enjoyed dtb and I thought it'd be nice to own a hard copy. Soon I hear from amazon that I bought a defective copy. Turns out Funi fucked up the video on episode 18. And let me tell you it ruins one of my favorite arcs.

So fuck Funi, I am never buying their shit again.

>>40038818

they account for about 10 times as much gross as R1 home video does.

>>40038818
Well, you contribute more than the fags who buy the R1 DVD's.

Fun fact: Overseas sales for the average late night anime (IE most of what /a/ watches) account for about 10% of total profits.

>>40038845
>>40038844
>>40038840

Op is right, but honestly no one in /a/ actually watches Anime. They watch an episode AN episode on intranerts and say it's shit or they like it and buy it in secret.

It's also because a total of 100% of /a/ residents are jobless and about 90% use this as an excuse. There is no excuse if you have access to the internet because if you have it, Anime will be sold where you live, YES EVEN IN NORTH KOREA!

However, I'm glad to announce that a small amount regular /a/ goers don't care if they steal and don't make cowardly excuses LIKE LIVING IN NORTH KOREA! They at least admit it. And though that makes them evil over cowardly, it's still more honest to an extent.

>mfw OP = Guaranteed replies

> Is it because you might get caught? Or are there other issues, such as standards of morality, that dictate how you live your life.
Nope, the sole reason is the risk of getting caught. Sorry OP, even if you're trolling, you really shouldn't expect anyone on /a/ to have any kind of moral backbone.

>>40038845
>>40038844
haha! that's fucking hilarious and sad, I should go into buying Figs and artbooks also

>Don't like the 480p and blase subtitles on your DVDs? Buy the show to support the stuff you like
That's not how capitalism works though.
>The net, for all it’s charms
*its

>>40038840
>>40038845
>>40038844
What about manga? I don't normally buy anime, but I do buy a lot of translated manga. Am I just pissing in the wind?

>>40038845
>>40038844
>>40038840
So...we shouldn't but DVD's but we should buy that stuff instead? are there any good places to buy figs? I'd honestly rather do that than buy some shit dubs

>>40038842
They offer a free replacement for dtb defective discs.

You ARE supporting the people who actually made the anime when you purchase a dvd released in America. I know that sounds CRAZY but it's true. You put money in the pockets of say, Funimation, then they license more anime, which puts money in the pockets of the people who made the anime. See what I'm getting at here?

Yeah, me not buying anything and just watching what is shown on Adult Swim is really gonna help out the industry.

>>40038896
>>40038891
>>40038865
>mfw pirates actually do want to support the industry

>>40038891
Nothing against the western manga industry, but yeah, some mangos also got awsome products.

If you can, buy some of those products like figures or stuff like that.

How is not buying affect the company anymore than not watching at all, if anything it has a positive effect such as advertising to people who may spend money on it. I wouldnt watch it if it weren't for the internet.

If Japan gave a crap about and saw money in out-side-Japan sales of anime they would cater to the tastes of the worldwide mainstream/popular culture (ie USA&friends), instead of Japanese hikkis.

That is: no lolis, no underage sexual jokes, no tit-grabbing, no dick tease, no gay, no political incorrectness, no race/nationality jokes, Benetton race quotas, more Pokemon and Yugioh gotta-buy-em-all clones, etc.

If you don't want anime to turn into animated /tv/, don't buy anime, don't even import it, don't pay anyone for anything Japanese.

>>40038891
Pretty much. Sales outside of Japan are miniscule compared to domestic. That's why the Japanese have never cared about scanlations. They only worry about raws getting on the net and hurting sales in Japan.

>>40038913

something like 50% of the gross from R1 sales is wasted on paying the English dub actors. I cannot justify spending money on a product when I know it will mostly be spent on funding a product I don't want.

>>40038896
AmiAmi
Hobby Search
Hobbylink Japan

Usually I go for these sites.

>>40038916
FACT: Most of us support the industry more than the buyfags.

I have a Yui and Haruhi figma on pre-order, and I intend to buy Shoushitsu and K-ON! when they're released.

>>40038935
>How is not buying affect the company anymore than not watching at all, if anything it has a positive effect such as advertising to people who may spend money on it. I wouldnt watch it if it weren't for the internet.

That's the argument mangafox users use, it's pathetic. The people it ''advertises'' to will just pirate and become another link in the chain of pirate distributions.

>>40038565
the thing is i never told them to make the anime or develop the game or w/e they did that on their own.

And now they expect me to pay for something that is free? Copying something costs 0 so buying anime or films is retarded.

If there's no feature or service that gives more then just the film or tv series. Why even buy it? Some film's have extras and things Good if you want thoose buy the film!

The closest thing to extra service in the anime world other then extras in some boxes or w/e is CR who provide a wide arrange of anime for a decent price. Its just to bad the whole site is a sticking pile of horseshit and run by a annoying hypocrit.

Untill there's a good legal stream/dl site im not gona pay anything.

Games is the same if there's no service no point in paying. Like MMO's who costs a lot to run so youre acctually paying for something other then free stuff, and games like SC2 who has a large online service.

Movies are shown on the bigscreen and thats a service they provide so yeah your acctually paying for something there.

Singers do concert so yea also a service worth paying for if you like that kind of stuff.

Cd's dvd's etc without extras is just retarded shit that if you pay for it your acctually not paying for anything other then some alredy done and payed for "developing" cost.

Give me something worth paying for instead of something you make for free.

>>40038906
How do I get a replacement?

>>40038964
>FACT: Most of us support the industry more than the buyfags.

Everything is going to die/disappear.

Deal with it.

>>40038916
I don't give a shit about R1 DVDs. Ugly (yellow) subtitles, generally bad dubs, low video quality, 3-5 years for one release and they still expect me to eat it up? Figs and whatnot on the other hand are awesome and don't make me go through all of this shit when there's a free alternative.

If you think $40-60 for half season box sets is bad then I think you need to take a look at Japan where it's (aprox) $40 for 2 or, if your lucky, 3 episodes -- and the anime fans over there are completely willing to pay those prices, too. America seems to be infested with a bunch of lazy ("I want my episodes RIGHT NOW!"), cheap ("I want it for pennies!"), and irresponsible ("Why should I buy it when I can download it for free?") people. Dog help us all.

>>40038973

......Tsubasa Chronicle?

>>40038973
I was waiting for someone to post this pasta.

Fansubs have the potential to be used responsibly as means of promoting unlicensed and unreleased material... unfortunately they are not used that way by most of the people who download them. And then when you throw in people who don't even do the translation and subtitling themselves, but just rip and distribute someone else's work - material that often includes the dub that these studios put time in on - well, small wonder things are a mess all around.

>>40039003
Shadow Hearts 2

>>40038952

Which is why I'm happy with sub-only dvd but of course they don't sell as well in the US.

(That pic with th eagle ripping the book up would be appropriate here but I don't have it.)

We are never going to return to that magical time when watching anime meant buying a DVD or VHS. It's not going to happen, nor should it. Time marches on and the US dubbers can adapt or die. I don't care.

So if you live in glorious japan and watch anime on tv it's not stealing, but if you live in amerikkka and want to watch it on your computer it's stealing? Ok.

> lazy ("I want my episodes RIGHT NOW!"),

in 2010, anything more than a week after it airs in japan is too late to bother with. the BBC learned this with doctor who. japan must learn this with anime -- waiting on shit to be dubbed and releasing it a year later is business suicide, plain and simple. they should stream subbed episodes on the internet with ads or subscription, and just hang the entire R1 DVD industry out to dry.

>>40038996
you know that's kind of a similar attitude the car companies kept up for a while,
>BUY AMERICAN! BUY AMERICAN! ANYONE WHO BUYS BETTER QUALITY CARS FROM A FOREIGN COMPANY IS UNPATRIOTIC
and really that screwed them over in the long run
what im saying is, that if anime companies want to stay in business they need to appease what the market demands.

Japan is killing anime just fine without any of us.

>Kara no Kyoukai Bluray box : 52,500 yen
>Ghost in the Shell 2.0 Blu-ray Box : 12.800yen
>K-On!! (Keion!!) 5 [Limited Release] [Blu-ray] : 8000yen
>Seto No Hanayome Blu-ray Box : 49800Yen(584.30 USD)
>Kaiji DVD Box :18800Yen(220.58 USD)
>[Cover Image]
>Mushishi (Mushi-shi) 26 Tan DVD : 26600Yen(5%Off) (US$ 312.10)
>Planetes Blu-ray : 50000Yen(586.65 USD)
>The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Blu-ray : 38000Yen(445.85 USD)
>[Cover Image]
The Qwaser of Stigmata (Seikon no Qwaser) Director's Cut Edition Vol.1 [Blu-ray] : 8552Yen(100.34 USD)
>Hellsing Ultimate I-V Blu-ray :25000Yen(293.32 USD)
>Azumanga Daioh DVD Box : 22610Yen(5%Off) (US$ 265.28)
>Clannad Blu-ray : 59600Yen(699.28 USD)

Taken from amazon,co.jp since amazon.com doesn't sell most of Blu-ray edition also

Clannad Amazon.co.jp : DVD "3 EPISODES/DVD" = (US$ 84.71)
Clannad Amazon.com : DVD COMPLETE BOX SET.= 61.49

Support the industry. the worthless western industry

What about manga? I've bought quite a few series and plan on buying more but I was wondering how much I'm putting into the whole thing

>The net, for all it’s charms, is also a dark and dangerous place.

What are you, some 40 year old working for an animation company?

I have every episode/movie of Pretty Cure on my PC (Other than Fresh, s it's shit), and I've spent about £450 on merchandise for it.

Suck it R1 companies.

>>40039085
is pretty obvious that he is,
now that 4chan is more popular they are sending their pr people here.

>>40039076

>Planetes Blu-ray : 50000Yen(586.65 USD)
>Clannad Blu-ray : 59600Yen(699.28 USD)
>Seto No Hanayome Blu-ray Box : 49800Yen(584.30 USD)

>>40039085
Probably, or close to it. This is the guy that wrote it, he works for an R1 company.

Why do so many people regard American anime companies as charities that we all need to "support"? They are businesses supplying consumer goods. It's up to them to make it worth my while to buy. I don't owe them anything.

>>40039076

>Kara no Kyoukai Bluray box : 52,500 yen

Anime is going to die unless the fucking japs change.

Japan is the problem, they need to kill all of their current Otaku and make more children.

Only then will anime be good.

Western influence is the only thing keeping anime at an acceptable level right now.

Nobody gives a fuck about the US industry. It does not affect anything Japan does, therefore Anime will never die. We don't even get good anime on tv anymore, which would be the only reason to support the industry.

>Clannad Amazon.co.jp : DVD "3 EPISODES/DVD" = (US$ 84.71)
>Clannad Amazon.com : DVD COMPLETE BOX SET.= 61.49

Stuff like that annoys me when ever I hear someone complaining about the price of US released anime DVDs.

Though at the same time, How much do US TV shows (Monk, Friends, whatever) compare with anime dvds with roughly the same amount of eps per disc?

>>40038977
Here's the thing.
The pirate model has actually been proven NOT to harm the music, movie or video game industry.
These people throw up fake numbers where every pirated item is a lost sale at full price for their product and then give the media vastly inflated figures for their next headline.
But all of these industries keep putting up record profits every single year.
Prove to me that any downloading has ever harmed an industry and I'll consider stopping, even though I don't consider making a copy anything like stealing and therefore not morally wrong in any way.

>>40039135

>Western influence is the only thing keeping anime at an acceptable level right now.
>Western

JAPAN DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US!

SEE THIS >>40039076

Half of this thread reads like: "Japan should stop making anime for Japanese people, and make stuff I like!"

>You need to understand that quality entertainment costs a lot to create
>quality
the Hollywood mentality. It cost us a lot to make, so it must be quality.

>And I am pretty sure it doesn’t make you feel good about yourself

Yes it does. Knowing that I just watched SZS or 7 seasons of nip / tuck for free while other people pay is one of the few feelings of superiority I'm still able to feel.

The American companies served a purpose in the days before the internet. Why do they still exist?

They should make prices more acceptable. £40 for 5 episodes is complete bullshit

I doubt the american industry would die. Millions of fucking weeaboos panicked when onemanga died, how many of them do you think went out and bought shit thinking that was the only way to bring it back?

As long as there's completely retarded "Kawaii desu XD" weeaboos out there, there's nothing to fear.

>>40039076

>The Qwaser of Stigmata (Seikon no Qwaser) Director's Cut Edition Vol.1 [Blu-ray] : 8552Yen(100.34 USD)
>(100.34 USD)
>1 episode
>less than 30 minutes
>100.34 USD

JAAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!

>>40039140

The friends complete collection is 143$ for 236 episodes.

>Kaiji DVD Box

OH BOY SO MUCH WANT

>18800Yen(220.58 USD)

WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS

>My face when I will never own my husbando on dvd

Everyone who says anime needs Western influence needs to fuck off, go switch on your TV or visit the movie theatre, I watch anime to get away from shitty Western TV/movies.

>>40039192
Never buy PAL anime dvds, they are butchered beyond belief.

>>40038995
>Ugly (yellow) subtitles
Not all companies use yellow on black font subtitles. Funimation, for example, uses white on black. And Geneon have experimented with different fonts and colors. Their Black Lagoon release uses light blue on black font.

>generally bad dubs
You can always watch the show with Japanese audio and subtitles if you don't like dubs. Plus not all dubs are bad, /a/ generally agrees that the Baccano dub was good for instance.

>low video quality
Depends on the source material provided and how it's encoded. Some can look bad while others are on par with the Japanese r2 dvds. Some examples:

http://mudduck454.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/maria-holic-review-r2-fansub-versus-r1-retail/
http://mudduck454.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/tayutamakiss-on-my-diety-review-r1-versus-r2-japanese-rel
ease/

>3-5 years for one release and they still expect me to eat it up

Depends when the show gets licensed. Some shows may take a while, while others may get released within a year after it's been out in Japan.

>>40039204
that shit isn't even worth $20.

I'm not a potential customer to begin with.

>>40039200
Qwaser volume 1 came with 3 episodes.

>>40039076

>Azumanga Daioh DVD Box : 22610Yen(5%Off) (US$ 265.28)

http://www.amazon.com/Azumanga-Daioh-Artist-Not-Provided/dp/B001VFM5YM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&
amp;qid=1283862890&sr=8-2

>Azumanga Daioh: The Complete box DVD : $46

no wonder Japan doesn't give a fuck about us.

Legend of Galactic Heroes - Blu-ray Box

Box 1 - US$ 572.99
Box 2 - US$ 668.49
Box 3 - US$ 748.75
Box 4 - US$ 692.79

Total = US$ 2683.02

Thankfully, I haven't stolen a single anime in my entire life. nay, a single thing even. I only ever take what belongs to me, or download what's publicly available on easily accessible registered servers, which serve content to all willing audiences.

Who was the last director who complained about piracy?
I want to send him/her a mail.

>>40039250

I lol'd.

a lot of people said that anime is dying while I believe no body in /a/ actually buy this Blu-ray set.

So instead of conveniently downloading the anime that they've broadcast on TV which, if I lived in Japan, I could have simply recorded there and then. You want me to learn japanese and buy the dvd when it comes out, or wait for an English release which half the time will have a horrible dub and may not even happen

>>40039146
Ok asshole.
I like nirvana, a lot.
What should I do? buy the albums?
Too much work, I will just torrent them.
I like grunch and I like this 20 bands, I will torrent all their albums!
20 bands, aprox 10 albums per band.
Now there are 5000 douchebags like this one.
It is the "ant robbery" in big stores.

>>40039218
Well thats just my point. The quality on what I buy is so shit, that it just feels insulting. I know what I'm doing is wrong, I know it's stealing. But because "Good" anime is so hard to get a hold of, it's just making the best of a bad situation. When fansubs are often better than the actual releases, how can I justify paying so much money for them?

I was in a store in the UK a while ago, and saw Evangelion for £100. Why is the markup so high?

>>40039250
>US$ 2683.02

LoGH is anime for adults (rich adults) no kid could buy it...

>>40039306
Don't forget that you have to pay at least 30-50 bucks just to check a show out.

>>40039221

I think the time frame is also part of the problem with US releases. That is to say.

Show was released in Japan 1~3 years ago of course you interest in a show would have died down by the time its US release is out. Because of that I don't understand them releases separate DVDs instead of just releases box sets straight up.

Also the way some companies handle and advertise shows might just put you off buying it just to spite the company. Censorship, poor translations, time between releases. The changes to the Wolf & Spice light novel covers as well as "WAR ON PANTS!" and "GAINAX BOUNCE" are other examples.

>>40039073
>if anime companies want to stay in business they need to appease what the market demands.

And that's what they've been doing with faster and cheaper releases. Years ago it was commonplace for a single volume of anime to go for $30 for 3-4 episodes. Nowadays you can get most anime in half season or complete box sets for $30-60.

>>40039317
>buy
>anime

>>40039308
sorry sherman-san
but you are going to have give me numbers

Anime is going to die?

Cool story bro!

>this thread.
>people complaining about anime industry is dying
>talk about DVD price outside of japan that too high
>implying westerner poorfag will affect the Japanese anime industry.

Stop dreaming, japan will makes anime only for Japanese, your small money will not changed anything.

$40 for a box set? pft...The moonpeople used that amount of money for one episode of anime.

>Anime is gonna die!
Obviously, music industry is already dead.

>>40039337
yeah but ultimately it can be better,
things like funimation's simulcast or crunchyroll for example,
of course my only contention with these things is their quality.
if they had something like stage 6 that would be better.

So you're telling it's gonna die because I'm watching shows that haven't even been licensed or even heard of outside of japan, and even then, is only known by a select number of people that makes up a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of another fraction of the total population?

But I hate dubs. and it is next to impossible to get anime/manga, even dubbed, in my country.

living in Denmark

>>40038939
>If Japan gave a crap about and saw money in out-side-Japan sales anime they would cater to the tastes of worldwide mainstream/popular culture (ie USA&friends), instead of Japanese hikkis.

They do and have done so in the past. And not just "Pokemon and Yugioh gotta-buy-em-all clones" either. Some shows that wouldn't have been made without funding and co-funding from foreign studios include anime like Ergo Proxy, Tenjou Tenge, Afro Samurai, Eureka 7, Kurokami, Kite Liberator, Koi Kaze, Big O season 2, etc. And more recently the 4 upcoming Marvel anime adaptions.

Anime isn't dying, I really don't get where people get this from, this year we've seen shows with great animation and direction even though Japan's economy is in the crapper.

>>40039323

This is where I think streaming can help. Put the first few episodes of the show online for free to view. If you want to see the release buy the dvds.

>Kara no Kyoukai Bluray box : 52,500 yen
I fucking. 'Love' Kara No Kyoukai.
I love it so fucking much.

But I do not have 52,000 Yen, or the American equivalent.
Not do I feel that, even with the love I feel for it, that a Blu Ray box set is worth that much.
You ask me whether I'd walk out of the grocery store or Best Buy with stuff if I could get away with it, you're damn right I would. Maybe not the smaller ones, but if the grocery store was as big as Best Buy? If they'd gone out of their way to fuck their consumer base in the ass like Best Buy?
Damn straight I'd rob those fuckers blind.

>>40039140
>4 upcoming Marvel anime adaptions.
I really prefer not to see how japan basterdises marvel

>Anime is going to die.

>andnotasinglefuckwasgiventhatday.jpg

>You probably wouldn’t go into a supermarket and put a package of swiss cheese under your shirt and walk out without paying.

Have done it and would do it again if I had the need to.

>Why? Is it because you might get caught?

Yes. Survival of the fittest, learn it, it's what our modern capitalistic society was built upon. Do everything you can to get what you want, and if what you are doing goes against society's laws/rules/standards, make sure not to get caught, and if you get caught, you just weren't good enough.

>Or are there other issues, such as standards of morality, that dictate how you live your life.

There is no such thing as morality. It's just a romantic's dream with no value in the real world.

For all you buy fags arguing that we need to support these companies if we want to get better products, I would like to throw out this example.

You go to the grocery store and see that they have corn. The corn costs $20 an ear, is small and many of the ears are rotten. Should you buy the corn to support the farmers so next year they can afford to grow better corn and ship it to the store faster?

That is what you are telling people to do with anime. Buy shit and hope that it gets better. The problem is that capitalism doesn't work that way. If we buy shit, then these companies will continue to sell us shit. Why change when people are buying the garbage your already produce?

Companies will die, new companies will spring up to take their place. Maybe someday a R1 company will figure out a way to do consistent good dubs that change the minds of the majority of /a/nons. Perhaps we'll see a streaming company that doesn't suck nuts and offers us HQ downloads for a monthly fee. But buying inferior products in no way helps us get closer to that goal.

Want to support your favorite anime? Buy it from an importer and support the Japanese market. Or just buy merchandise, companies make a boatload of cash from licensed goods. But don't buy crappy R1 dvds that you don't want. You're not doing anyone a favor that way.

>>40039439
Most companies already do this.

>>40039449
for six months a friend of mine manage to get away with grabbing a 36 pack of beer every weekend and just walking out of the store.

>>40039349
You don't need numbers for that, it is common sense.
I downloaded 5 songs of metallica form the Album "and justice for all". I didn't buy the album because I wanted those 5 songs.
Now my friends who like metallica (6-9) did the same thing.

If i can't donwload torrent, the industry is dead for me. So fuck. And don't thing you are clever enough to make people "close this window" just because of your useles whining.

brofist for OP

>Unless YOU change.
Stopped reading there.

I do not live in Japan. What a westerner does, assuming he does not import, would only affect the companies translating things badly and selling their products over here.

fuck you.

>>40039471
capitalism_ho.jpg

>>40039426

I'm guessing its mostly people who grew up in adult swim, toonami or whatever. Everything they watched was filtered now with the internet you see EVERYTHING that put out each season and they assume that anime is dieing not realizing good~great shows are far and few between and also not realizing the amount of anime produced now is near if not double was it was then.

>>40038565
But his soul will go back in time where he is the happiest

I would buy the dvd's if they weren't 40 dollars for six episodes.

Lets get one thing straight.
Japan sells the license to distribute the anime worldwide.
They make money with it, but who would buy the license when no one's gonna buy it anyways?
Hence Japan's losing money.

>>40039468
>there is no morality, human beings are evil!
>mother never loved me!
>father raped me!
>I was bullied!
>Teacher failed me!
>I didn't have friends!
>I steal because the world is evil!

And that's why nobody gives a fuck about you.

>>40038844
Guess I'm already supporting the anime industry.

>>40039583
That is IF they want to sell.
Most of anime don't make outside of Japan.

>>40039308
Your example fails to show how that hurts Nirvana or anyone.
So what if you torrent 20 or 100 albums?
Making a digital copy is not stealing.
Making a mixtape with your favorite bands is not stealing.
Listening to the radio and hearing the songs for free is not stealing, even if you switch the channel for commercials.

This stupid argument has been around since the 70s, and people still fall for it.
The industry is fine though, and keeps making more money every year.
Look into it yourself, pick any big movie/music conglomerate and look at their profits for the last 5 or 10 years.
Huge gains, every year.

Buying DVD's helps both the American AND Japanese industry so what are you talking about? You think the licensors keep all the money to themselves? LOLNO. Anime has always survived off home video sales, the more sold, the more Anime we get, the happier the fans are. Not rocket science.

>>40039583

They are not losing money. It would be the US distributor who would lose money in that event since he paid to buy something he can't sell. Even if Japan didn't sell the license it would still be making lots of money off its domestic market.

Anime is already dead my friend. And if Ghibli's new movie tanks and the studio closes, consider it buried.

>>40038565

anime is going to die because it's not worth buying anymore
no way am i spending money on shallow fanservice pieces of shit (i don't even pirate them) and that's 90%+ of the anime nowdays

>>40039667
yeah but japan really needs to learn to adapt and makes its way into the world market.

>>40039683
Miyazaki / Ghibli hasn't put out a great film in years.

>>40039734

Oh of course that goes without saying. But even Japan is struggling to change for it own domestic market like with Manga publishers been stubborn about digital distribution.

>>40039683
Miyazaki only said that as an excuse to get out of the industry

He even hired a fresh faced Director so he could use him as a possible scapegoat

There is the problem of Anime being horrendously overpriced. For example, the Angel Beats series. 5000 yen per volume. That's $65 AUD (yeah, ausfag reporting in). And you want me to buy 7 of them? Even if I wasn't a poorfag student, I'd still have reservations spending over 450 dollars on one 13 episode series.

>>40039667
>They are not losing money.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-09-03/anime-production-firm-group-tac-files-for-bankruptcy

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-09-06/anime-production-firm-office-ao-filed-for-bankruptcy

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-09-02/labor-group/anime-firm-filed-for-bankruptcy-this-wee
k

>>40039146
Troika games. Went bankrupt despite its games (Arcanum, Vampire Bloodlines e.t.c) being great and hugely popular.

The only time when downloading a game made me feel guilty. Well... its not like i gonna stop now.

But its true, that its futile fighting that, and industry just needs to adapt - and those who do succed hugely.

>>40039773
Doesnt matter, even Disney puts out shit from time to time. It matters because its Disney. If Ghibli goes, anime as a respectable medium is dead and gone.

Anime died and moe shit like K-ON killed it

>>40039803
And yet none of them died because of piracy.

>>40039659
>Anime has always survived off home video sales

No, not really. Most anime survive because of the doujins, figures and random crap that comes out along with each series.
This may change in time, given that Blue-Rays are quite expensive, but I highly doubt it -mostly because anime in BR is even more overpriced than in DVDs.

>>40039814
Please don't bring that bullshit argument here, You and the faggots who think the way you do have no idea what moe is and use it more as an insult about an anime you don't like

>>40039814
Another case of "industry is dying because they don't make the anime I like"

Hell, I like Mech anime, but I don't whine every season because I don't get one mech anime, nor I blame other kind of anime.

>>40039803
>Read articles

>They didn't make anime for X number of years and filed for bankruptcy

sugoi monogatari onii-chama

> export goods
> sell them at an inflated price with poor quality and no service
> don't advertise them

> anime is dying

Geeee, I wonder why ?

You want to know what I did OP? I bought x2 1.5 Terabyte WD Black Caviar HDs to stuff torrented anime in. I just filled one 2 nights ago and I'm still downloading right now.

You can kick and whine all you want. You can nerd rage as hard as you can, but in the end you accomplished nothing.

someone post the website where 2ch/2chan laughs at the ridiculous pricing for R1DVDs and manga and says they feel bad for us

Then say we should pay anyway because it's not for americans

>>40039913
>I just filled one 2 nights ago
jesus fuck tits
how fast is your internet?

So...what do My manga purchases amount to?

>>40039938
R1 dvds are a lot cheaper than r2's though.

>>40039970

The company who publish/translate your manga have already paid for the license. You are just giving money to the company so they can hopefully buy more manga licenses to publish/translate.

Stopped reading at stealing.
tldr thread, pic related

I download stuff for personal entertainment, I dont give it to others nor sell it to get money.

Stealing is a very bad word, usually those who steal something sell it afterwards.

This is the myth that all anti-pirate fags believe

>IF YOU DIDNT PAY FOR A BOOK/MOVIE/WHATEVER THEN THE CREATOR LOST A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER

so everytime shirou is tracing a sword
he's also stealing it

>>40040012
Damn...well, no reason to stop buying manga..I'll just be more selective of my purchases

>>40038818
>>40038840
This is...potentially true.
It's hard to make a blanket statement because profit margins vary hugely by product. But N.A. released DVDs aren't high-profit either.

Only caveat I'd mention is, to the people talking about buying figures, is that buying figures encourages shows designed to sell figures (i.e. character-idol shows; "moe" shows if you want to all them that) which is fine if that's what you want, but not so good if you want more Tatami Galaxy or something. (They don't even make figures for that.)

The highest profit items are Japanese-market DVD/BDs.

(Full-price 10,000 yen hug pillow covers may actually be higher. The total sales on those is so small it's hard to find data on them. And technically speaking, the per-dollar profit margin on Japanese online streaming rental is higher than DVD/BD sales, but the total income on those just isn't very high due to you're only spending like 1600 yen to rent a whole series.)

>IF YOU DIDNT PAY FOR A BOOK/MOVIE/WHATEVER THEN THE CREATOR LOST A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER

Yeah the fact of the matter is I will never buy all of that shit.
In fact If I had to pay for it I would most likely not be an anime fan. It's simple as that.

>>40039841
>anime survive because of the doujins
wtfamireading.gif

>>40039970
Manga purshases are actually quite good - as its media still largely read in phisical form (i.e. books are still sold on papers instead for iPhone, since thats the prefered form people read them). Thus buying manga promotes more translations and licensing for it.

On other hand - WHY THE FUCK you expect everyone to buy anime DVDs?

It doesnt work that way - how many people are buying House or Dexter DVDs? Thats not the main income source for the media.

Infact, piracy does support popularity of anime in west .- so that the shows are being licensed, shown on TV, support products sold (Figures, merchandise, damn Naruto magazines and costumes!, and yeah, manga, DVDs).

If you build industry on assumption that people SHOULD buy it on DVDs to watch it - forget it, it^d indeed die out.

DVD sales are NOT the main income source for video media in the age XXI. Hell, best popular japanese shows consider it great when they sale like 60k DVDs... wich is absolute nothing to western market.

Western DVD retailers gonna die out? Well, their bad.

>Air anime on public TV
>Expect to sell a shitload of DVDs later

wut

i have spent more on anime/manga/merchandise than i have on storage for pirated anime/manga

>>40040248
and i have spent more on drugs than i have spent on hdd space
whats your point?

>>40040233
Thats actually japanese aim now.

Show anime on TV. Then sell uncensured higher quality blueray edition with additional content.

>>40039635

Lol, I'm not complaining about anything. And the world isn't evil, did I say it was evil? I'm just stating the truth. Human beings are animals, with the same drives as animals, and thus we adhere to the laws of mother nature, especially survival of the fittest. Being capable of successfully fucking people over and getting what you want because of it just shows that you are capable of doing anything it takes to defeat your competition and thus are more fit to survive. Take a look at some of the richest people in history: Rockefeller, Ford, etc. You think they acquired their fortunes by being "moral", by limiting themselves with an inane concept like morality?

But, you know what, I don't care what you believe, the more idiots like you there are in the world, the easier it is for people like me to succeed.

>>40040233
かっこいい話にいに

>>40038565
Don't care. Not even a little bit. If you had come to me before Pioneer/Geneon packed up shop and left, I might have changed my ways-

OH WAIT! I JUST REMEMBERED...I WAS BUYING CRAPLOADS OF DVDS THEN. AND THEY STILL FOLDED. SO GO TO HELL YOU DICKHEAD. IF THEY DIE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

>>40040281
>>40040233
>>40040199
WOW, SO MANY NEWFAGS IN THE THREAD

Late night anime is targeted toward anime fans or a teenage to young adult audience. One of the purposes of the late night broadcast is to promote DVDs or associated merchandise that are planned for release in the future.

In most cases, a production committee (a group of several related companies) buys a time slot from a TV station. This process is known as brokered programming, and is similar to how infomercials are broadcast. Therefore, unlike ordinary programs, production companies are sponsoring companies as well. This way, TV stations can fill the time slots with low viewership, while production companies can advertise their products (anime DVDs) at a lower cost. Since a production’s purpose is to promote the title to fans, low ratings or a lack of sponsors is of little concern. Consequently, the number of late night anime is increasing. The fact that they rely on the sales of DVDs means that these anime are virtually the same as OVAs, except that they get a chance to be promoted. This is why "pure" OVA series have decreased rapidly.

>>40040199
>Infact, piracy does support popularity of anime in west .- so that the shows are being licensed, shown on TV, support products sold (Figures, merchandise, damn Naruto magazines and costumes!, and yeah, manga, DVDs).

Most licensed anime will never air on TV and most western anime companies don't get merchandising rights to their shows because they are niche and wouldn't sell enough product to make a profit. So I don't see how piracy would help anime in the west as you claim.

>>40040199
>Hell, best popular japanese shows consider it great when they sale like 60k DVDs.
There are 2 eps on the DVD, sometimes even only 1, so that's at least 6 or 7 DVDs for a 1 cour series. DVDs are extremely high price and profit margin, so DVD/BD sales are a major component of studio revenue. That said, me downloading from outside Japan doesn't stop a single Japanese DVD/BD from being sold.

>>40040330

>comparing that western masterpiece with todays shitty anime

>>40040199
>If you build industry on assumption that people SHOULD buy it on DVD
They're called OVAs.
The late-night TV anime industry is the offspring of the OVA industry. It's the same thing, except they figured out if they buy infomercial timeslots to air their shows on, it sells more videos than just advertising it in magazines does.

Thus there's always a fair amount of stuff to distinguish the TV version from the disc version: uncensored T&A, fixed art glitches, audio commentaries, bonus videos, entire extra episodes, etc.

Anyone who says "it's free on TV" is full of shit if they ever download a DVD/BD rip. The whole point of those is that they AREN'T the same as what was on TV.

>>40040387
>western masterpiece
>3/4 of the mysteries weren't explained
>shitty cop-out ending because "it's about the characters, not the Island"

>>40038722
>my first Ranma VHS costing $50 for two episodes dub only (sub actually costed more)

GODDAMN. Where did you pay $50 for a $29.95 2 episode dub VHS? I would believe you if you said Canada.

The same 2 episode VHS Sub would be $34.95 US just because they could.

>>40040399
>The whole point of those is that they AREN'T the same as what was on TV.
Angel Beats is the same.
K-On! is the same.
And they still sell like hot cakes.
Natsu no Arashi! was redone and improved. Less than 1000.

Your logic is bullshit.

In the end, it comes down to this: People on the internets don't want to pay for animu, because it is not worth paying for.

>>40040499
>People on the internets don't want to pay for animu, because they are poor
Fixed it for ya

>>40040505
I"m the highest payed engineer in my company

>>40040363 So I don't see how piracy would help anime in the west as you claim.

You might not see it but the fact that you're talking to me right now is enough of a proof that the correlation between piracy and popularity exists. I used to watch anime when only a handful of titles where released legally back in the 90's and let me tell you kid, hundreds of anime fans in america and europe ? If I had heard that back in the day I would've laughed in your face.

The piracy came first, then came the fans the more accessible anime became. And some of them buy shit, but most of them don't. That's the truth of the matter.

Also more fans, means more fans that can potentially pay for product. Hell most shows don't even have to be advertised when they are released for the western market ? That sounds as a big help as far as I'm concerned.

Why don't fans buy the product ? Well because they're selling us shit for mucho dinero.

They either gonna update their lineup or go bankrupt. HURPA DURP ECONOMY HOW DOES IT WORK

>You probably wouldn’t go into a supermarket and put a package of swiss cheese under your shirt and walk out without paying. Nor would you walk into Best Buy and try to walk out with Guitar Hero, bypassing the cash register

I fucking would if I could do it from my computer.

Meh, you should at least purchase anime and manga that you enjoyed. If not to support the market then at least to get a collection going. Where are my collectors at?

iirc this was from some dub company bawwwing because they don't earn shit

That's right, a dubbing company.

It's pretty pathetic and lulzy

>>40040491
It was improved, just minutely.

>>40038995
I'd rather have yellow subs rather than white or invisible purple that are hard to see and hurt my eyes.

What they need is DVDs that default to the subs and Japanese audio. Some DVD players can be set to do this, but few use it.

>>40040491
K-ON! BDs have a staff audio commentary track, a VA audio commentary trac, the Ura-On short animations, and an entire unaired episode (14) on the last disc.

K-ON!! BDs are similar.

>>40040574
>nico nico douga text on top
way to fail

>>40040548 Meh, you should at least purchase anime and manga that you enjoyed.

As long as they release it in a manner I agree with.
Manga release in the shitty japapnese tankobon format ?
Fuck that ! I want at the very least size A4 so I can enjoy the art - that's why I'm buying it, not for the LOLPLOT.

DVDs with no extra shit ? Why the fuck should I buy it ? I've already seen it.

>>40040613
the Ura-on is something completely random that I could make in Flash by using only my anus

>>40040613
not to mention the first series TV broadcast was in low-quality SD and cropped to 4:3; to get the real version you need the BDs.

>>40040657
...ok
And?