Because most of them aren't licensed.

Even if they are, I still don't give a fuck

We just don't care. Despite buying good anime, they still produce crap, so we know it's mostly a futile effort.

MONEY IS FOR NOTHING
AND ANIME IS FOR FREE

I think it's because I'm not American. American's morality levels seem to be over 9000 regarding piracy.

If the games I played weren't in English unless I had to pirate them then I'd pirate them.

As simple as that.

wat? /v/ doesn't give a shit about piracy

and /co/ is basically /toy/, most of the people collecting shit just for the sake of having it (I refuse to believe grown men actually play with their toys).

horroble subs, overpriced ect
but I WILL buy index/railgun when they realese it...

>>39757446
90% of anime is shit and the japs want to ban export on it along with them being racist as fuck it makes me not give a damn about them (I only buy manga)

I don't download licensed anime, and I buy a shit load of merchandise. Hello from /toy/

Also, I just don't care to buy a show years after I already saw it.

If you played an entire game for free, but you couldn't actually purchase it until 1.5-2 years later, do you think you might still buy then? Would you still care?

Explain to me, how am I supposed to buy shit airing right now in Japan? If the Japs aren't paying, I ain't too.

i'm broke and there's pretty much zero consequences for downloading anime in america. morally, it's shitty, I know it makes me selfish, I recognize that there are things that I can't get without HARD WORK and GUTS but anime doesn't fall into that category. downloading anime isn't justified, but it's not penalized so i do it. just like jacking to lolis

I've accepted the fact I am a leech on society. Come get me in my basement if you care.

I hate the nips but they got me hooked on their animes

>>39757514

But they are paying, cable/NHK fees and subscription.

So don't ever say anime is free. It's not.

well it's not like piracy is stealing, so whatever.

I buy anime film dvds/blu-rays, because those are the only things which get released at prices comparable to regular films/series.

>my face when all of these arguments forget the fact that someone somewhere worked their hand off to make this shit.

Well Op.
for us it's either wait a century for the show and paying the price for full price game for 60-80 minutes of anime (which isn't even complete by then) or pirate them with fansubs.

It's morally wrong to take the fruits of peoples' efforts selfishly without paying for them. Somebody put hard work into making that anime I enjoyed, and I didn't compensate them for it. Yes, it's fucked up, and it hurts the industry. I acknowledge that it's wrong.

However, I also acknowledge that I am a selfish and overall bad person. I have no money because I'm unemployed and lazy, so I pirate despite knowing it's bad. I don't think my financial situation is an excuse, since it's my own fault; but at the end of the day I'm just going to do it anyway because I want to and I'm selfish. That's it.

I only have enough money to pay my rent, and dubs make me sick. Why would I choose DVDs which default to the dub track? Disgusting.

No money to buy shit.

I don't believe in charging people for intellectual properties.

This is congruent with concealing information.

I think there should be mediums where people can reward you for your work (an example with musicians is going to a live show), but I think the property itself should be available to everyone.

I'm actually a musician and give out my cd for free.

>>39757567

This, and OVAs too. Lower prices, better quality.

>>39757568
>mfw when I don't give a fuck on their efforts

/co/ has a problem with piracy?

>KnK released in Japan
>Download subbed and enjoy it
>KnK boxed set released in english
>US$620
Look, I'd be happy to buy it, but I have a limited supply of cash and there is only so much I can spare. I'd love to buy the boxed set, I just don't have that kind of cash lying around.

Piracy as we know it now will not last forever. I live every day like it's the last day I'll be able to get free shit.

Even if I did have all the money I need to endlessly purchase DVDs, I probably still wouldn't.

Pirating is more convenient, and most of the time I'd probably just end up deleting whatever I watched anyway.

We're all just searching for One Piece

>>39757607
/co/ is like the Comic Guy from the Simpsons.

I wouldn't even watch or read this shit if I incurred anymore cost than my internet bill.

>>39757446
What? I own between $8-10,000 in anime. What makes you think I don't buy shows the first opportunity I have to buy them?

fansubs actually have better translations and fonts than official subs

they make enough money. if they don't they will stop it or take measures about it.

Its like the music industry, they have been bitching about downloading for years, how they don't make any profit and that shit, yet they are still making music and all of them have enough money to go around

When everyone else is talking about something that I would otherwise have to wait 4 years to see (that is if I even get to see it at all), I pirate it so I know what they're talking about

>piracy
>burned to the ground by /v/

not the way I see it

also
>3 episodes per $50 dvd + SH

Hey OP.
I pirate Anime.
I pirate Games
I pirate Comics
I pirate Music
I pirate Hentai/Porn/Doujin/etc
I pirate Manga
I pirate Software
I even pirate a Rapidshare Premuim account.

And i the pirate King yet?

>>39757687

Do you live in Japan, or 2002?

Yeah, if America didn't fuck up anime DVDs by changing the dub track of Initial D to rap music, or changing the name of Seto no Hanayome to My Bride is a Mermaid, maybe I wouldn't be completely turned off by buying DVDs. I mean, I'm almost tempted to buy Strawberry Panic on DVD.

As for /v/ and /co/, I don't read American comics and I've only downloaded Scott Pilgrim and a few chapters of Deadpool. /v/ I spent enough on as a kid and while I was working a year ago, though I do have a modded PS1 and PS2 and an Acekard 2i. Last week, spent about 30 dollars buying Scott Pilgrim, Megaman 10 and Final Fantasy 8 for my PS3.

Pic related, it's a laptop cam shot of a few of my games.

>>39757746

>Yeah, if America didn't fuck up anime DVDs by changing the dub track of Initial D to rap music

They re-released it with the original music.

>>39757585
Enjoy your part time job.

I do buy anime. But I also pirate it because I want to see it straight away.

Don't feel guilty, and probably won't stop.

So what most of you are trying to tell me is that you want producers in Japan to release content in a timely manner to overseas markets at an acceptable price?

I don't want to monetarily support dubbing. I sometimes buy manga but only from publishers with good translation policies.

Because I don't live in japan, so I can't watch it on TV. I would endure commercials if I had to, but since I can't, piracy is the way to go

>>39757767

It'd be nice, but due to the structure of the anime production process and DVD market in Japan, it's an impossible scenario. Any direct-from-Japan DVDs would be priced nearly the same as theirs (3000-4000 yen per DVD, 2 episodes).

I pirate then buy the stuff I like the most among said pirated items. Still makes me a thief to the industry's eyes but whatever.

>>39757620
>Piracy as we know it now will not last forever. I live every day like it's the last day I'll be able to get free shit.
I know everyone thinks like this, that the government will one day suddenly take all your methods away in the blink of an eye. But has such a thing ever actually happened in history before? With the such a large group of (smart, nerds) people suddenly stopped like this? They probably thought that when the very first DRM was invented that everyone would be stopped. But maybe in this case the people are at least as smart or smarter than the government/companies and will always find another way to pirate forever?

>>39757689
not op. you forgot to pirate ebooks, so no

Because most of them aren't licensed.
But when they are, they aren't available to buy for over 3 years after the original broadcast.
But when they are available, they are in separate volumes, rather than complete boxsets as i like them.
But when they are in complete boxsets, they only seem to be sold for a few months
But when you can buy them, they are far too expensive and can't afford them.
But when i can afford them, they are sold out.

Godfuckingdammit

Online is just so much better, but i try to buy good sets when i see them.

>>39757689
Also, for some reason I never want to pirate games. Maybe my priorities are just fucked up.

The same people who pirate anime are the same people who bitch about not tipping.

Fucking hypocritical faggots.

I torrent every anime I watch.

All the ones that I liked I buy DVD's/BR of, which is a shame because almost nothing gets licensed in the UK.

>>39757770

Some R1 companies don't dub their anime.

>>39757763
Did they? That initially irked me when I first heard about it. I mean, if I had to sit through the battle against the girls without Maybe Tonite blasting, I'd be irate. Although, I forget if they had the weird English version or the Japanese version during that battle.

Also, as a side node to Initial D rambling, does the manga go past where Season 4 ended? Because it seems like Season 5 is just a dream.

>>39757800
Damn it I'm still not there yet huh?
Well, my journey will go on and some day I'll be the pirate king!

>>39757659
This. Overseas licensors also don't license shows I want to watch most of the time.

Maybe if they showed any subbed series here on TV instead dubbed series 4 years late, I might actually be interested in buying a TV license. Until official routes can compete with speed of fansubs in anime availability, I don't see why I should have much more dilemma about pirating anime.

I'd be willing to pay, if there was reasonable legal channels. And in fact, I do have a paid Crunchyroll subscription just to prove the point. Don't blame me, if noone is properly filling the market gap.

>>39757808
Who the fuck tips? Oh yeah, americunts.

>>39757801

>But when they are available, they are in separate volumes, rather than complete boxsets as i like them.

Due to constant complaining like this, boxsets and half-seasons are pretty much the only things that are produced these days. Singles are mostly dead. You're other arguments are just your problem for not looking hard enough for deals.

I pirate everything. Anime, vidya, comics, books, etc.
I'm poor, I don't give a fuck.

>>39757817
I live in an R2 area. I'd have bought Hidamari DVDs otherwise.

>>39757821

http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/2a8=MpkrkahhwS5JH1/browse/item/88530/4/0/0

http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/2a8=MpkrkahhwS5JH1/browse/item/89362/4/0/0

Yeah, there's the first season.

>>39757843
Correct.
And those box sets have fair prices all together.

/a/ is evil and likes being evil

>>39757655
$8 would probably get you a Chinese knock off from eBay...enjoy your lead poisoning.

>>39757568
> worked their hand off

You sure about that?

>>39757893
notsureifserious.jpg

>>39757881

About $35 - 55 at pre-order time, usually. But next you'll compare to boxsets of shows from American TV right? Don't do that.

>>39757888
I prefer Chaotic neutral myself.

>>39757689
>>39757824
You have misunderstood something. Pirate King is not the guy who steals shit the most.

He's just the freest man on the sea.

>>39757872
Not like I'm going to buy them now though. Nor would I listen to a dub track, unless it's like Cowboy Bebop/Hellsing level amazing. I have all of Initial D on my terabyte.

Plus, Tokyo Kid in Harvard Square is the biggest ripoff ever. I've seen figures there that I have for like 10-20 dollars more than the prices online.

Because I can't just walk into HMV and buy a copy of Dennou Coil

all I find in there is unremarkable generic shit that I don't even know the name of, that's how fucking interesting it seemed to me when it aired

We're just watching TV

>>39757918
That's probably the point where their hand came off.

>>39757961

Considering even if you bought them after the pre-order price ends, they'd still only be like $26. That's not too bad.

>>39758001
>$26
>for a half season

>>39757695
I live where most of the anime on tv is limited to the big 3, thus nobody cares to sell other stuff

I don't belive the money gives happynes, so I find unnecessary give it to other people

It's because an anime habit is way more fucking expensive than what /v/idya has. You can get fifty or so hours of playtime out of a twenty-five dollar game; classics can get you hundreds worth.

Watching a hundred hours of anime, on the other hand, is like ten full seasons worth of anime, or like anywhere from three to six hundred dollars.

Because I don't have a bluray player
Because I don't like dubs
Because official subs are shitty and ugly
Because most anime aren't worth buying
Because downloads are available before the DVDs
Because I don't need 2 copies
Because they take down unlicensed anime/manga
and lastly BECAUSE I FUCKING HATE JAPAN AND THEIR BULLSHIT

>>39758001
Things I could also buy with 26 dollars include a few rounds of beer with friends, 26 value menu items at a fast food restaurant before tax, all of the DLC sidestory crap for Valkyria Chronicles, or better yet, a few random eps of TV shows or anime on PSN. 2.99 doesn't really bother me per episode, unless it's forced dubs.

Then again, after reading it, I don't want to watch Suzuka.

Anyone know if the anime on PSN has Dual Audio?

I buy/own the Toriko, One Piece, JJBA, Hellsing, Nausicaa, Children of the Sea, and Tekkon Kinkreet manga.

Fuck buying anime though. Way to overpriced for me.

If lived in Japan and understood Jap I could watch these things, or even record them to VHS/DVDs for my personal use for pennies on the dollar.

So all I'm doing with piracy is acquiring my TV quality set with subtitles added to to them.

>>39757446
I always buy my anime unless it is stupidly overpriced.

I don't even know which anime is licensed in my country, recently I discovered we had victorian romance emma, quite a surprise.

>>39758068
THIS

>>39757794
This this this this THIS

Because i pay for internet
and i use the internet mostly for downloading stuff
so i pay for the things i see

also, any kind of entertainment nowadays got way too much money and spends it on mostly useless stuff like famous(yet bad) actors and don't pay too much attention to plot and such because everyone is like "they want fangirls, we give them fanservice"

so if we don't pay for such things, maybe one day they willr ethink their strategy and actually produce good quality again that makes the real fans to buy the stuff again.

Look at gainax, sure, they do fanservice from time to time too (like eva2.22) but they also try to be original too(like panty and stockings) even though they know it won't make as much money as a fanservice or moe anime

>>39758019
>I don't belive the money gives happynes,
That's funny, you've never been poor I guess.

>>39758108
madhouse was here.
gainax is shit.

>>39758068

You're not paying your yearly NHK fee.

>>39757801
Step 1/ watch it online
Step 2/ it is licensed
Step 3/ it is released
Step 4/ it is in a collector box
Step 5/ The price is affordable
Step 6/ Buy it and watch it again

Between 1 and 5, several years have past, so you probably forgot half of it in the mean time...

>>39758108
>but they also try to be original too(like panty and stockings) even though they know it won't make as much money as a fanservice or moe anime

Such an classy attempt at reverse trolling. Clap clap, clap.

Japan's industry is centered on well JAPAN. My pirating does not calculate into their figures of DVD and merchandising sales. My downloading what is freely available on-air in japan has very little to no impact on their bottom line.

The licensed stuff is another matter and I've long lost any care in catering to greedy selfish corporate interests.

>>39757446
>/a/, care to explain your relaxed stance of piracy?
It's often the only way to get it.

>I mean if you brought this up on /v/ or /co/ for example, you would be burned to the ground, yet here you are swapping peoples livelyhoods for your own entertainment and not paying the fee they ask for their work.

It can't be helped. Besides, most of this shit airs on TV in Japan anyway. Japanese fans can watch, then if they like it, buy the criminally overpriced DVDs and BDs, and character goods. All piracy does is give that same benefit to western fans. In fact it works out better because TV anime works like infomercials do in the US and the studios have to PAY for the airtime to show their shit on TV. Also, despite all the ">he buys anime laughingelfman.tiff" you see around here, a lot of people do buy the shit they like.

If I like the show I will buy some merchandise, but I will buy never licensed DVD's or mangos.

http://pid.nhk.or.jp/jushinryo/multilingual/english/index.html

Television in Japan is not free. Don't ever use the free word. It's the same thing as paying for cable or satellite. Oh, you don't see those bills? Then move to your own place.

WHY PAY IF YOU CAN GET It FOR FREE!!

/v/ pirates too.
/co/ are just a bunch of stupid kids.

What I would do personally in regards to western audiences, is make it available via Torrent or stream (high quality, of course) but with a very small fee attached, maybe less that a pound or so. That way, people could watch and appreciate, but still contribute to the people who made it.
So like Crunchyroll, only hopefully without the faggotry. I know some people would still pirate regardless, but you can't have everything.

And I do torrent and watch, but if I really like the show, I will buy merchandise. Not the entire box set, just something small from the series, maybe just a poster, or even a keyring, so i am at least making sure that they get some money, and hopefully continue to make good shows.
If the show is crap, then hell no, I ain't paying shit

Better question?!

Why would you not pirate, silly, OP!

>>39758189
>Implying we're not already paying for local TV if we watch that

>>39758189
And yet I have Sat TV in my house. It's not as expensive as buying every anime show that I could watch in Japan if I lived there.

>>39758214
Hulu is working pretty well for american broadcasters isn't it?

>>39758223

My argument is specifically against "hurr durr it's absolutely 100% free in japan to see anime".

I watch Japanese commercials on Youtube it counts as much as watching them on TV

I pay for merchandise directly from Japanese sites. I don't pay for anything sold in the US because the money doesn't go to the people who made the show. Why would I want to give money to a company that releases shows 4 years late with shit subs?

>>39758189
Neither's electricity, but you don't count having to pay for that as having to pay for anime. Paying for cable or satellite is just another utility fee. You pay it, forget about it, and there you go. Only poorfags who can't afford it whine about paying.

>/v/ doesn't pirate
Yeah, that's bullshit.

But I understand why /co/ doesn't pirate, I mean, comics books are avaliable in every corner of this world.

I remember back before I had decent internet (Australia sucks for internet) I would but it because it was easier, hell got something like 400 discs.

But now I D/L, I only buy things I really liked, and even then we occasionally don't even get them here, although I did import the dub of welcome to the NHK.

Madman, the australian publisher, has started streaming shows subbed on their website and they are roughly in time with the best sub groups, if they follow this and buy the licence from japan and not adv they can release things subs only, it will be much faster and more beneficial for the japanese industry. If they do that I will buy more.

People seem to misunderstand how pirating effects the japanese industry, it barely does at all, ADV buys the license, and thats all the money they get from it, then america sells "their" product and THEY make a profit.

So when you pirate a show that you would never have access to otherwise, no one misses out because they never would have gotten that money anyway.

When you pirate a licensed anime, ADV misses out on a sale, but usually well before they release it, does that make it right? not really, but you can justify it with this:

ADV are ripping japan off, they buy the lisence then produce the DVD/BDs much cheaper, and since they are the same region as japan R1(?) Japanese people are imorting to save money, this is the reason the jap releases need to do only 2-3 eps a disc, to increase their profits because ADV are fucking them over.

ADV should release "their" product without the japanese audio, they say we are ruining the industry? no we are ruining their indistry, they are ruining japans.

>>39758237
>Hulu

>>39758237
Hulu is failing miserably last I checked.

They ask too much. Waaaaay too much.

>>39757446
>I mean if you brought this up on /v/ or /co/ for example, you would be burned to the ground

Said by someone who doesn't visit the boards obviously

/v/ has massive threads with Demonoid, MF, MegaUpload and Rapidshare links for vidya

/co/ has wednesday-sunday for 0day releases and some pretty decent tripfags who have massive libraries of downloadable comics and tv shows

even /jp/ has multiple sites for VN, Anime and LN

>>39758189
>buy cable
shit man, I didn't know we were in 1990 and everything wasn't available on the internet.

I can goto all my favorite TV channels websites and WATCH FOR FREE, all I have to do is wait through a couple of commercials.

Buying anime related stuff is expensive. I can't really justify the prices at which anime series are sold at.

Hulu -- "Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States "

>>39758237
>Hulu

Firstly, I'm not streaming anything. Secondly, I'm not watching anything that airs in HD in 480p. Thirdly, Hulu doesn't have shit I want. Fourthly, I don't live in the US, Hulu can suck my dick.

with that attitude you guys will never become the pirate king

How many anime companies have gone out of business in the US and people are actually claiming piracy isn't hurting anyone? Wow, you guys are assholes.

Piracy isn't a big deal for companies like Microsoft, or EA Games because they sell shit tons of their product to average people and gamers but for a niche market like anime where 5,000 sales is a huge deal piracy has killed the industry.

Know why people are complaining about moe taking over anime? It's because the only way they have to make money anymore is on figures and shit and the only way to sell figs and shit is with moe moe anime.

Anime is a dying industry and it's piracy's fault. Make excuses all you want but you know that's exactly why you're not getting the anime made the way you want it, you're refusing to buy any.

>>39757446
because i download them as they air. after having seen it i usually loose interest in it.
so why would i buy something that i won't use anyway?
that would be like >>39757482 said
>collecting shit just for the sake of having it
and i don't do that
inb4 'justifing piracy' haters
i also don't give a shit

>>39758321
>implying westerners torrenting anime is the reason why anime is dying in japan
Sorry, that's not how it works.

>>39758321
Stop perpetuating this meme. The anime industry is neither dying nor is "moe taking over" it.

>>39758321
Fuck the US. You aren't the centre of the universe.

>>39758252
/co/'s publications are printed on quality paper and have good art.

>>39758339
Addendum: If you just meant licensing companies you have a point, but if you're talking about anime in Japan, no, not really.

>>39758265
really? I thought they are making quite a bunch of money from ads and hulu+.

>>39758339
Yes, actually it is. People downloading anime in the US has the same effect it has anywhere else in the world.

You think if the US fans stopped downloading anime and started buying would have no effect on the industry? You'd better learn economics.

>>39758321
Problem with that argument. Japanese otaku buy shit. It just so happens the shit they buy is often moe. If you don't like what they're buying, why don't you buy those overpriced BDs of the series you like? There are tons of sites that ship world wide. Stop being a cheap faggot claiming moe is killing anime, when in fact it's the only thing keeping it afloat since you aren't buying the series you like and want to see more of. If you and enough of your fellow faggots did, they'd make more of that kind of shit.

>>39758019
:)

>>39758375
You think if the US fans just stopped downloading anime it would have any effect? You think that all those downloads would actually convert into sales? You'd better learn economics.

>>39758321
>How many anime companies have gone out of business in the US
Yes, in the US, not Japan

>Anime is a dying industry and it's piracy's fault
No, it's becoming stale with the same shit being pumped out season after season (lolecchiharem loldeep lolparody )

>Know why people are complaining about moe taking over anime?
Because they don't know what moe means and neither do you

While I do pirate anime there are some that I still buy, bought Shigurui BD the day I got fired to cheer myself up. I mainly buy manga though, I could care less about anime

>>39758375
No, you learn it. The entire overseas market is pathetic in comparison to Japan and even more so when it comes to manga.

>>39758321
>Implying I'm helping the industry if I pirate moe anime

Blame the otaku japs for their obsessive shit

>>39758345
Actually it is taking over whether you want to admit it or not. Moe is not a genre, I know and you know that. However when you look at anime which is being made solely to pander to lonely otaku in order to sell figures and shit then yes, moe is clearly taking over the industry. The only shows which are not moe shows are ones that are mainstream family oriented and children friendly anime. The late night anime once for adults has turned into light novel and VN adaptation central.

Anime is like a delicate little butterfly and you're little children who think you can put your hands all over that butterfly and not hurt it. You're monsters and you don't even know it.

>>39758346
Perhaps not, but we do seem to be the only ones who can spell center, meter, or theater correctly. Well except hipster faggots who can't seem to figure out that last one.

the american industry is dying: They didn't create anything, they poorly translated things and every character ever is voiced by the same 5 people. Let it die, It would be for the best.

>>39758434

derp derp herpi derpidu hur durr derp

>>39758321
I really have nothing more to say to you, 3/10

/co/ are a bunch of faggots who like watching stupid cartoon and their super hero shoot beams out of their eyes.

They are either too stupid to pirate or enjoy their buttsex they have with their studios so much they buy.

I can't believe they should be brought into the discussion.

>>39758434
you may have slightly more logical spelling, but we have the vastly more logical metric system.

>>39758462
Butthurt britfag who can't get his 'e's and 'r's in the proper order detected.

>>39758422
>>39758416
Once again
>>39758415
Did you see the effect the US market had on anime in the 90s? We were getting anime made specifically for the US market, we were getting second and third seasons of shows which were dead and buried in Japan because they'd become popular in the US. Japan took notice but everything fell to shit now we're once again slaves to otaku in Japan and it sucks.

Pretend all you want that you're not hurting the industry because you're special. You know I'm right and your arguments are pathetic.

>>39758321
>generic, substance-less subjective "argument" without a stem of evidence

>>39758476
Metric, eh? So how come you britfags use stones for weight?

>>39758427
Yes and super robot merch sold since the fucking 70s and still going on today is radically different. Go look at Chartfag's 00s charts and rethink your argument. How about you give me 10 shows from recent years that are made to "pander to lonely otaku", K-ON doesn't count since around half of its fanbase are girls in addition it being a huge mainstream success even among average people.

>>39758487

derpi herpi du derp derp herp durr hurr derpidi herpidi

The difference between pirating /a/ material and /v/ or /co/ material is that new /v/ or /co/ material can generally be gotten by driving out 20-30 minutes to a store and putting down some money. With /a/ material you usually have to wait a few months just to see it in a language you don't understand, and another six months to see it subbed in English if you didn't pirate a fansub.

So basically pirating new anime and manga is closer on the morality scale to pirating an out-of-print video game or comic.

I for one frequently buy animu I liked when I pirated it when it's released in the states. 2/3 of my animu DVD collection consists of shit I watched for free first.

I like to steal. It's that simple.

>>39758488
Mention some that aren't Big O.

If I bought anime & manga, I wouldn't have as much money for figs. I think that's fair.

>>39758488
Those shows made for the US market sucked. Thus they bombed here and in Japan, and things went to shit. You can try to blame piracy all you want, but in the end, if they don't produce a product people are willing to buy, it doesn't matter.

I'm pretty sure the stance of most people in regards to anime/manga piracy wouldn't be so relaxed if an official subs/scans release came within reasonable time of the Japanese release, however this isn't so, so whenever the actual english releases come out it's shit that's been seen ages ago.

>>39758488
>Strawman arguments
>Think you're compelling in any way

>>39758321

>How many anime companies have gone out of business in the US and people are actually claiming piracy isn't hurting anyone? Wow, you guys are assholes.

The anime companies that died died because they licensed a bunch of mediocre to shitty shows, dubbed them, then released them at a price of $30 for four episodes. The ones that survived were the ones that didn't dub the more niche shows and charged closer to $20 for 4 eps, even less for the non-AAA titles.

Yeah, piracy changed the market here, but the companies aren't completely blameless for not adapting and making smart business decisions.

>>39758488
Oh wait, you think the anime industry is made for us now? And that shows that Western audiences generally don't enjoy now means the anime industry is shit, even though it's selling like hot fucking cakes in Japan?

Protip: your opinions and tastes are worth less than the massive buying power of Japanese otakus.

>>39758321
Yeah, moe is taking over just like mech anime in 80's and Shonen and Sci-Fi in 90's an 00's.

>>39758488
>my face when your nostalgia goggles and naivety made you think that we got better shows in the past than we do now.

Maybe it's because you weren't born in the previous decades. Whatever the reason, your impression of the previous decades is built upon very little actual knowledge. Name me at least 30 shows from the past. You can't?

>>39758513
Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

Any VN adaptation (that's about 40 titles or are you going to argue that Kanon 2006 was produced for girls?)
Most of the light novel series adaptations like Sora no Otoshimono, Ladies vs Butlers, or Mayoi Neko Overrun.

Or are you going to argue that those shows aren't being made to sell figures, toys, and ect.?

Even shows like Bottle Fairies, Magical Nyan Nyan Taruto, and Kokoro Library were made for guys and shown late night.

>>39758321
>How many anime companies have gone out of business in the US and people are actually claiming piracy isn't hurting anyone
>in the US
No one cares. Do you see anime being produced in the US?

>>39758375
>People downloading anime in the US has the same effect it has anywhere else in the world.
Except that overseas DVD and BD sales do nothing for the Japanese studios. It just funds the licensors. The only money Japan gets is the money for the license. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>39758600
The problem is a lot of people got into anime for the shounen and scifi. As the trends changed, they felt left behind, and want to lash out at what they blame for that change. In fact, it's just a normal fad of the market, and they'd probably like a good number of the series they label as moeshit if they'd just give it a chance rather than whine like spoiled children.

>>39758668
>Bawwww, the industry isn't catering to my tastes, it must be dying!

>>39758587
I'm not suggesting it didn't. Nor am I saying that the US industry wasn't killed by overpricing the liscensing, I know that as much as you do. Once it went to shit though we became slaves to the otaku market in Japan and the only way out is to quit pirating and actually buy what we want to see here in the US but you're too busy arguing that you're islands to yourselves and what you do doesn't hurt anyone.

>>39758726
>slaves to the otaku market

And that will remain that even if people began buying shit. Why? Buying power from those otakus you speak of greatly outweigh the combined buying power from foreign nations.

>>39758738

not to mention, like /ɐ/ shows, most foreigners are otakus too

>>39758705
It actually IS catering to my tastes. I love moe. I can't buy it in the US because it does poorly here, seen Risky Safety? It crashed and burned in the US. I'd still love to see more Saint October but there's not a chance in hell.

Just because I love moe and love the direction anime is taking doesn't mean my argument is invalid.

You're all just spoiled little children who want free toys and make up any excuse you can to keep getting them.

>>39758681
Or maybe they should act like a real man just once in thei life:

Watch what you like and don't complain about other people tastes.

>>39758765
Please get a trip so I can filter your inane posts.

>>39758668
Nothing we haven't had for over a decade.

>>39758679
>Except that overseas DVD and BD sales do nothing for the Japanese studios. It just funds the licensors.
If more foreigners bought anime, the value of licensing will increase. It is discouraging that the production company doesn't directly get your money, but your money does influence future market trends.

Anyway I pirate every type of media, the only thing I pay for in the world is food and computer components. I do it because I can. Come at me bro.

>>39758783
>Just because I love moe and love the direction anime is taking doesn't mean my argument is invalid.

Actually, yes it does. Deal with it.

>>39758803
The value may increase, but not to the point that it impacts what studios make, because it doesn't matter how you view this, otakus in Japan have more influence than Westerners.

Torrent gigs and gigs of anime.

Anime companies can't do shit and aren't doing shit about it

Fuck the police.

>>39758803
>Come at me bro.
We need some /a/-related shit on this

>>39758803
>If more foreigners bought anime, the value of licensing will increase
This may be true, but it's also true that my money will directly fund bad dubs moreso than the Japanese studio.

>>39758791

>implying /ɐ/ isnt dominated by moe

I like how you guys have completely ignored my point that the fact that the US market did actually affect shows being produced, 3rd season of Tenchi? 2nd season of Big O? Immortal Grand Prix?

You guys have made the claim that the US doesn't effect Japan, I make the argument that it CAN effect Japan and you ignore me.

Fuck off all of you, you guys won't man up and admit when you're wrong. All you can do is make the same claims and when it's proven wrong you ignore it and keep making the same claims.

I'm done with you assholes.

>>39758898
>I like how you guys have completely ignored my point that the fact that the US market did actually affect shows being produced
I like how at least 3 people have directly addressed your point and you chose to get buttmad.

Superior Anarcho-Communist master race reporting in here, you dirty Capitalist peasants.

>>39758898
>Implying those had anything to do with consumer purchases rather than TV network money

Because /co/ is inferior and /v/ is fucking retarded.

I've never paid for anime in my life and I never plan to, even if I were to say win the lottery.

I might donate to a fansubbers group or something though, because those guys are pretty awesome to do what they do.

>>39758898
i dont think they care, cause honestly, if we aren't happy with what japan is producing on its own, why do we still watch it, why do we need to change what we like if we enjoy what they make now?

also don't try and claim that /a/ seems to rage about everything current, its not they dislike this specifically, its just /a/ claims to hate everything, /a/ is like an overflow valve for hate or some shit.

>>39758898
>3rd season of Tenchi? 2nd season of Big O? Immortal Grand Prix?

>Forgets to mention how bad they were

Typical cherry picker, Move along folks we have better things to do today like watch paint dry

>>39758898
My point? I don't really care. I imagine we do have an effect, but its not necessary. Even if you cut off all American sales, anime will still manage, and thats more than enough for me to be happy with.

If I were put in a position where pirating would be impossible, I would just quit watching anime.

>you guys won't man up and admit when you're wrong.
GUYS

GUYS

I THINK HE FOUND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT THE INTERNET

W-what should we do?

>>39759059
And Immortal Grand Prix as an example of overseas market affecting the Japanese industry is fucking laughable.

>>39757446
>/a/, care to explain your relaxed stance of piracy?
Because we're not consolefag peasants.

Hey OP, I think piracy is cool. Think about it. Sailing the seas, robbing other ships and hunting for treasure. Sounds nice.

>>39759190
NOOOOOOOOOO MAKOTOOOOOOooo

>>39758726
>implying the anime market hasn't always catered to otaku demands
>implying the puny numbers of sales in the west would matter even if everyone on /a/ bought anime
cool story bro