Indeed.

Welcome to the NHK was alright, but yeah, he pretty much hit the spot. Japanese Otaku are fags.

I don't want to hear about NEETs anymore than middle school girls to be honest.

Eden of the East and Sora Kake Girls could have been that much better without their NEET themes.

A NEET pity party is just as uninteresting as cute girls doing cute things.

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this so much. i hated it when EotE was suddenly about NEETs.

>>38337573
if the NEET got you off HnE, there's something wrong with your perceptive abilities

>>38337287

>implying you're any different

>>38337817

>Implying I'm a Japanese Otaku

>They’d rather watch a group of high school girls in a band asking, ‘How do I play this note?

what the fuck

His comment is probably taken horribly out of context, but is he raging about escapism in media? Escapism has been there forever, sometimes there's a deeper theme going on sometimes not. Seems like an odd thing to complain about.

Someone's jealous of KyoAni.

>NEETs
>high schools girls in a band

I don't want to hear about either one you fucking retard.

sage

He's right.

And I don't see the problem. EotE was shit.

Hey man, don't blame K-ON! for NEETs
Shit if you're not concerned about giving them jobs, then fucking give me one

I'd be working if I had the chance.

he mad

>shitaku compl...-
Wait

WHAT

>Cowboy Bebop
>Wolf's Rain
>Samurai Champloo
>Eureka Seven

So this is the guy who makes ridicuously overrated anime? (I did like SatC, though.)

A writer doesn't know what escapism is and that it has been in almost every media since forever. True Japanese being DEEP.

So is he saying there should be less moeshit or more ANIME: SERIOUS BUSINESS?

K-on! fags just got told BIGTIME

I would like to some more Anime tackling real problems. In Japanese society and other world problems.

have any such anime been made? I've read the NHK manga.

>>38338166
Fuck off.

Oh Dai, I love you so.

In b4 a million K-ON fans get butthurt

>his works are labeled “difficult-type” (muzukashii-kei), something like the opposite of “atmosphere type” (kuuki-kei) anime. The latter is the type where nothing happens, or there is no significant plot or grand narrative. They tend to focus on cute characters and be very popular with moe fans

That's a very good way to describe it.

>He did not say that he disliked “atmosphere-type” works like “K-On!” – rather he likes the incredible designs.

Proving that he is reasonable about it as well.

I like this guy. Bookmarking this article to link to in future discussions on these issues.

>>38338166

So you're mentally challenged huh? How does it feel?

>>38338289

Not so much anime, but manga defiantly. You can go back as far as Yoshihiro Tatsumi to see that.

K-On > Cowboy Bebop

The thing is, if everyone actually became conscious of the NEET problem and did something about it, then there would be no more NEETs and no more reason to make shows about that social issue.

And then you'd be left with no shut-ins who were interested in moe, so you'd have no moe and no social shows, so basically just no anime except for kids.

In other words, moe and social critique shows are actually directly proportional, and guys like Dai Sato who make anime for adults, yet complain about otaku are theoretically shooting themselves in the foot.

>>38338235
>THERE SHOULD BE LESS ESCAPISM IN CARTOONS
>CARTOONS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS

I don't think so.

>>38338376
ooh, can you rec me some?

>BAWWWW STOP DOING SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE
Yup

Hey dickhead, maybe people don't want to watch anime about NEETs, hikkimoris or just depressed boys because it is boring shit. I don't need or want a cartoon to teach my a life lesson, I watch for entertainment.

>>38338289

When it does you get mediocre stuff like Earth Girl Arjuna and Shangri La (that carbon credit stuff has made the news every once in a while).

Entertainment is best when it doesn't try to be preachy.

You want to get rid of NEET? Ban anime from the world. /cotton

I love both: Welcome to the NHK and K-On

What do?

>>38338389

>The thing is, if everyone actually became conscious of the NEET problem and did something about it, then there would be no more NEETs

wrong

>And then you'd be left with no shut-ins who were interested in moe, so you'd have no moe and no social shows,

this doesn't even make sense

>>In other words, moe and social critique shows are actually directly proportional

your thought process is a strange and fantastic place

>Posting this before nighttime /a/.
>hurr durr and herpa derpa everywhere

Stop being a preachy faggot and make an anime that is FUN.

>>38338472
that wont work all NEETS don't watch anime

By the comments, no one read the article

Fuck this, now I'll rewatch Paranoia Agent.

>>38338389
That's one of the main reason why the NEET problem has not been solved. If we actually get to the root problem of issues like this, lots of people will be without a job.

>>38338605
This... Needs to be posted after 2 am.

In about 2 months...

>>38338389
>and no more reason to make shows about that social issue

watch anything by mamorou oshii, there have been anime about social problems before NEETs became a big issue. right now NEETs are a big issue though and its just absurd it doesn't get tackle enough when its so connected to animu

>>38338548
Stop being a faggot and drop k-on. If you like to be a fag then stay the same.

>>38338166
Y-
You..
I'm not even gonna start.

>>38338437
>He did not say that he disliked “atmosphere-type” works like “K-On!” – rather he likes the incredible designs.

>>38338382
uuuuuuuuuhhhhh You almost got me.
8/10

>bashing garbage like K-On!
As a lowlife NEET, I am okay with this.

Sato is right. The Japanese fan base is fucking horrible, and in some ways worse than even American Fans...

>>38338415
It's an art form and reason is shit is because people make shit because people watch shit because people are fucking morons.

Okay first of all Hikki =/= NEET. They are not the same thing. If you're a NEET, you're likely a hikkimori, but you can be a hikkimori without being a NEET.

Second of all, not everyone who watches moe or atmospheric type shows is not a loser shut in. K-ON for instance, has a big fanbase of (shock horror) high school and middle aged girls.

Third of all, there are people who willfully choose to be hikkis or NEET. It's not some sort of disease that can be cured with the proper attention and funding, dickwads.

>>38338559

You're post is lacking in counter argument and/or refutation. Until you can come up with those, it makes sense just fine.

>>38338759
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Entertainment isn't the place to discuss shit like this. You want to solve the NEET problem? Teach your citizens how to raise their fucking kids through government funding programs or something.

Stop using the medium I use to view fuckawesome fight scenes, creatively designed characters and atmospheres, and hot bitches to preach stupid bullshit about "going outside once in a while." I didn't need anime to teach me how to do that, my fucking dad raised me right.

>He equated manga with rap, because it takes less people to produce and authors/artists tend not to sell out.

>>38338559

You...you wanna actually...you know, BACK UP your claims with arguments?

>>38338875

someone already did it for me. see >>38338860

>>38338908

>Government teaching people how to parent

This is going to be fun.

So basically this guy is a delusional faggot who thinks he can change the world with his chinese cartoons.

>>38338908
This
I'll take my space cowboys and band playing school girls while looking for a job and securing a future at the same time.

>>38338993

Look, I just don't want faggots trying to address some "problem" in the worst way possible.

>>38338876
delicious butthurt.

>>38338993

Yes, much better we have anime do it. We need a Sleeping with Himeko, but for parenting.

I was joking, but actually that's quite a good idea. I'd watch it.

>>38338913
I will give him the benefit of the doubt as he is most likely speaking of japanese rap music and culture

>>38339014

>change the world

You can't read.

>>38338993
I think they will do a lot better than CARTOONS.

all i can say is "lets operation"

BAWWW SOMEONE ISN'T A CONFORMIST FAGGOT LIKE ME LEAVE MY K-ON ALONE.

Japanese otaku want nothing from anime other than a sexual and social frustration outlet. They're systematically causing the cancellation of anything that does not fit that theme by giving low ratings and such. The future of anime is nothing but harems and high school setting , and the fags here will love it because it's Twilight for guys.

>another issue in which something is the fault of parents and no one blames the parents

Ah, I see Japan has caught on to America's style.

>>38338908
You miss the point. He isn't complaining about action shows or shonen. He's complaining about moe and otaku fanservice shows. (By otaku fanservice I don't mean general "Panty-shot" fanservice, I mean shit like lucky star and K-On!).

This is a subset of shows set in reality with no fantastical elements (at most slight magical realism), that are wholly unrealistic with modern japanese culture.

It would be like if Roots was a musical about slaves getting along with their masters, or if Revenge of the Nerds was really Stagnation of the Nerds because despite their nerdiness they got along with everyone and had no problems.

Moe and Otaku themed anime are purely ridiculous no matter how you look about it.

>People thinking NEET and hikkomori can be 'cured'

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Jesus Christ, thiiiiiiiiiiis.

I love Sato but he needs to realize that you can't fight fire with fire.

Hmm... well I'm going to be serious but people will just ignore this anyways.

I think the main function of storytelling should be to entertain and provide a form of escapism, not to give social commentary or enlighten the viewer. Having said that, I don't think it should be mindless entertainment at all. Look at the story they mention themselves: Cowboy Bebop. Maybe I'm totally ignorant, but I didn't see any big commentary on social issues or anything like that in Cowboy Bebop. but it certainly was not mindless entertainment. It was very, very well made. And even if you did not personally enjoy it, I don't think anyone can argue that it was not skillfully made. That show did what it was supposed to: it entertains.

When you tell a story, you need to know your job. You are not a teacher or a philosopher or a politician. You are not an artist. You are just an entertainer.

>>38339128
This. I feel sorry for the NEETs and the otaku fags but they really need to look for other ways to fulfill their emotional needs

>>38339137

Why does it matter so much to him that people want to watch those shows?

>>38338993
>typical American

You are the reason your education system is one massive failure.

>>38338965

First of all, they hadn't already done it for you. That post came after yours. As far as anyone knows, you had no argument yourself or you should have posted it.

Secondly, their post doesn't explicitly contradict mine, for a couple reasons. For one, I clearly said that anime would still exist for little kids.

Also, I'm speaking in the hypothetical. I understand that there are people who choose to be neets/hikki. What I'm saying is that IF they all chose to get a life, then the demographic would be non-existent. That's simple logic. Will it actually happen? Not realistically, but that doesn't change the fact that the shows that Dai Sato wants to make depend on that demographic to exist in order to be relevant.

Shut up and enjoy your Japanese cartoons, Micheal.

>>38339206

>he needs to realize that you can't fight fire with fire.

Actually, a lot of forest fires are prevented by setting things on fire...

>>38339233
money talks

>>38339170

The first one can, the second is a bit iffier in that by the time you notice they're probably too far gone.

They can both definitely be prevented however.

NEET team! Go! Go! Go!

>>38339170
It can be cured

I joined the military

Cured me real fucking fast

Now I just enjoy watching anime from time to time, have a job, and enjoy going outside and working out.

>No one wants to hear about NEET [the unemployed]
>Sato said

>He did not say that he disliked “atmosphere-type” works like “K-On!” – rather he likes the incredible designs.

Yet another accomplished person in the industry who sees K-ON for the masterpiece it is.

>>38339251

Why would you even want the demographic to disappear

Why does it bother you that much

>>38339291
forcing a hikkomori outside is worst thing you can do

>>38337573
Anime is made for japanese audience. Don't like it? Deal with it or stop watching.

>>38339221

>When you tell a story, you need to know your job. You are not a teacher or a philosopher or a politician. You are not an artist. You are just an entertainer.

I hope you realize how uneducated you sound.

Have you never taken a college level, or hell even a highschool level English class? You're saying that Tolstoy, Flaubert, Hawthorne, and other story tellers are not artists?

>>38339137

Seems to me that he's complaining about ENTERTAINMENT being ENTERTAINMENT.

Look, I don't like stupid shit like Lucky Star or K-on. Hell, I find those kinds of shows repulsive and would much rather watch One Piece, which at least acknowledges how fucking stupid it is, but so what? People like what they like, and if some JAPANESE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS which are the ones who mostly watch this stuff btw, as well as those fat nerdy NEET and Hikkis that everyone's so concerned about, want to watch a show about cute little girls discussing pastry eating habits or musical note playing, then shit, let them. You aren't going to do anything beneficial by saying "goddamn it, these shows suck, why the fuck are you enjoying them?" It's because they have shit tastes, Sato. Ignore them, move on, and just try making your own awesome shit to appease people like me.

It's always been like this. Sitcoms, "best selling" novels, comics; the grand majority is crappy shit that appeals to tasteless losers. Get over it.

>>38339170
you realize the author of welcome to the nhk was a hikki right?

>>38339221

>I think the main function of storytelling should be to entertain and provide a form of escapism, not to give social commentary or enlighten the viewer.

Stopped right there. You're dumb.

>When you tell a story, you need to know your job. You are not a teacher or a philosopher or a politician. You are not an artist. You are just an entertainer.

Micheal Bay on /a/?

>>38339300
why don't you get a job

I don't know about other people but my favorite type of genre are shows that are "realistic"
Yeah, I like escaping from reality and everything, but I'm not a huge fan of super fantasy or anything

I like shows that deal with real problems

not all neets/otakus are unemplyoed i keep my hobby to myself and work a full 40 hours ever week.

>Make a living in anime
>Complain that there are too many NEETs
>"Cure" every NEET
>Anime sales are decimated

So he says he likes K-ON. He doesn't mind fanservice either.

What shows is he exactly raging at?

>>38339221
10/10

>>38339436
>neets/otakus

just stop

>>38339341

When did I say that I 'want' the demographic to disappear?

Why are you contradicting my posts when you aren't even taking the time to read them thoroughly? Please, if you have an argument then by all means I'm more than willing to hear you out. Otherwise please just stop.

This is kind of hurtful to me as a NEET and hikikomori.
I do not fucking like high school girl anime.

>40 hours a week
in Japan, that's practically a NEET

So basically he's saying the current standard and trend of people fawning over blobs of mass is a load of shit, though it has legs, it lacks depth and is emulated by so much that it's just become an irritance?

I'd be down for a spiritual successor to Cowboy Bebop. Not an actual sequel, because that'd be shit. Samurai Champloo was *alright*.

>>38339474

Rage for the sake of rage? Sounds like /a/ to be honest.

he's mad at japanese lack of cojones.

So a NEET is just someone without a job and a Hikkikomori is a shut-in?

>>38339389
Popular japanese high school girls don't wwatch late night moe shows.

Shows like K-On! are aimed at one single demographic, DVD buying otakus. These shows air in the 1 am to 4 am timeslot, and are basically infomercials for the DVD's of said shows...
Animation studios LITERALLY pay the networks to air these shows, with the hopes that they will make back these costs on DVD.

>>38339489
there the same damn thing but I will be honest about one thing, I fucking hate k-on, it bores me to death.

>>38339566
no they are not

>>38339436

>NEETs
>not employed
>A NEET is someone who is currently unemployed, and undergoing no training or educational program

Fuck off back to gaia.

His “They’d rather watch a group of high school girls in a band asking, ‘How do I play this note?’” comment is a bit of an overgeneralisation.

Didn't Tatami make it to several top 10 magazine polls for most popular show this season?

Anon likes escaping from reality and emerging myself in fictional sensation and all of its fantasy and guilty pleasure.

Go suck a lemon, Sato.

>>38339532
Very bad example, K-ON has big appeal to both genders.

>>38339436
You don't seem to understand what a neet is, go google it. either way this article and the moe problem along with hikkimor and neets is specifically targeting the problems in Japan. no one gives a shit about the so called otaku in the west who wear naruto headbands

Sato: WHY CAN'T MY CHINESE CARTOONS CHANGE THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE?

>>38339436
not all neets are unemployed
care to learn that acronym?

>>38339620
Only because KyoAni insisted on it. the original comic is much more obviously filthy nerd material.

>>38339620
At 2 am at night.
On weekdays.
Buy K-On! DVD's

>>38339620
>Very bad example, K-ON has big appeal to all the faggots around.

fixed.

>Sato

So mad. So very MAD.

Why do you fags even care? Why are you getting so mad about a few shows? And don't answer that "moe is dominating the industry!!" because it's not.

welcome to nhk was shit

Sato should make a slice of life anime with realistic relationships, and include a generic moe character that is socially outcast because she's so weird and wouldn't actually have any friends in the real world.

NEETs? Moe? High School Girls? I don't give a FUCK.

Where's my mainstream Canon-Sensei anime? 12 eps at least.

>>38339703
You must have missed the 00's.

>>38339682
>>38339686
Every episode airs 28 times a week on different channels and times, some during the weekend. And yes, Kyoani is to thank for the wide appeal not kakifly.

>>38339690
u mad?

>>38339703
Yes it is.
99% of anime is shonen, moe, or shoujo.

Shoujo shows appeal to the moe demographic by default, and Shonen now includes moe elements...

Last year, I wrote an explication analyzing how literature, television, whatever always conveys a message from its creator whether he/she/it intends to or not, and sometimes it isn't the intended message either.

For example, KyoAni's adaptation of K-On! (I haven't actually watched passed episode 4) could simply be able cute girls doing cute things. However, the way the characters and events are portrayed in the anime could impart some lesson that effort, friendship, having fun, etc. are all important parts of life and valuable for one's growth.

How can Sato say that's not a important point of discussion in an anime? It doesn't have to be depressing, catering only to NEETs. In fact, messages that reach a broader audience are more valuable than the Welcome to the NHK clones he wishes to create.

There's more I'd like to say, but the coffee is going to my head, and it's getting hard to concentrate. Maybe I'll post something again later.

the neet thing is just starting it will become a big problem in most 1ist countries.

>>38339766
Imaginary statistics, eh? Show your work.

>>38339436
>NEET
>not unemployed
summer

>>38339766
>99% of anime is shonen, moe, or shoujo.
Well I guess Sato is right about one thing, people are getting dumber. They even think demographics are genres now.

>>38339762
> u mad

Nop, just stating the facts.

>>38339532

Part of this doesn't entirely make sense though if some things I've heard about K-On are true.

For instance, it's been said that the lack of panty shots and typical shit like that has opened up K-On's demographic to include young girls and possibly others outside of otakus. And supposedly that's part of the reason it's been more successful than the average moe show.

But that doesn't even make sense if it only airs in the middle of the night. Anyone know the truth behind this? Are young girls staying up late to watch K-On, or does it also air in earlier time slots?

everyone itt

>>38339766
If you don't believe moe has tentacles in shonen you are a blithering idiot.

Try to fap to female characters from Naruto or Bleach. No problem.

Try to fap to characters from Dragonball. Unless you're gay and fapping to the male characters, it ain't happening.

>>38339762
Once per location. The only reason it does this is because of the Japanese television system.

tl;dr purposeful misinterpreting of facts.

>He did not say that he disliked “atmosphere-type” works like “K-On!” – rather he likes the incredible designs. He also did not criticize fan service, because, just as many Japanese film directors came from the “pink movie” industry, many animators are coming from a background in erotic material (doujinshi, eroge or ero-anime/manga). This is part of the creative drive. But he sees them as moving towards characters and wasting time seeing just how nice they can make the images and movements look. This undermines the special anime-like movements, the visual vocabulary, that came out limited TV anime in the 1970s. There is also the issue of dumbing anime down.

So what's he raging about or to whom exactly? Oh, "media literacy".

This is just like a couple of years ago when the people behind South Park and The Simpsons and all those western shows were raging because Family Guy was so popular.

Finally, Japan has copied us! We're five years ahead!

>>38339847
>girls should look like men

Anime is shit, what else is new?

>>38337236
There you have it, /a/.

From a creator in inarguably high quality anime, K-ON and its ilk is complete shit.

It's destroying anime. Not pathetic "let's all get along" or "I'll go my way, you go yours" can defend this irredeemable pile of crap any longer.

It's shit.
It's pandering shitty shit.
It's ruining creativity, it's maintaining people in fantasies rather than inspiring them to change their lives.
It is a parasitic and anti-artistic force in society which allows people to degrade personally for profit.
It's the kind of art that actually makes you worse off for having devoted time to it, rather than enriched as a person.

Moe is evil.

>>38339844
I don't know the exact slots.

Apparently it airs in re-runs on all kinds of channels at all different times.

Most Moe anime doesn't however, and airs late late at night.

>>38339873
He sounds like a bitter old man wishing for the "good ol days"

>>38339905

>>38339906
It's. not. rerunning.

It airs once in Tokyo (entire Kanto region). TBS. Late-night.

All those other channels? Different prefectures. Most of them are late-night too.

>>38339905
At what point did he say K-ON! sucks
He said "fuck neets, because all they want to do is watch anime"

I think there is also room to extrapolate that modern anime escapism is now solely targeted towards the otaku market which further insulates the anime industry from the general viewing audience.

Rather than being able to produce anime that has wide appeal, like early anime, producers now require directors to NOT take any chances and produce according to the traditional Japanese formulas that production studios think will make them money (and to a point this is true).

I think it is interesting that Dai is complaining about outsourcing of in-betweening to foreign countries hurting the anime industry but praises the Hollywood style of management (which I too think would help the industry)... and seems to discount the idea of an international market while seeking outside influences for new anime.

Moe and other otaku-bate are part of the "cancer" problem but not the sole problem. They are a symptom of the problem listed above.

The question is: who will be the first studio to break out and go "Hollywood" with it's production methods?

>>38339532

That's not always true. Currently, Tv-Tokyo itself is partially sponsoring the late night Keroro show. (2:05 am, mondays, so, pretty much the worst timeslot possible).

I don't follow many other shows to this point(checking sponsors and such), so I can't speak about their situation.

>>38339847

I dunno, Bulma was pretty hot in early dragon ball...

>>38339905
>rather than inspiring them to change their lives.
This isn't what cartoons are for. Any anime director/writer who thinks it is, needs to get his head out of his ass.

Is this another "The Sky Is Falling" thread?

>>38339905
>I'm a moron

Did you even read the article, or is OP's shitty attempt at trolling actually working on morons like you? Wait, you're just another raging hater here.

>>38339853
No, idiot, all shows usually cover all regions with 6-8 airings. K-ON has an unprecedented 28 airings, with many regions getting 3 to 4 opportunities to watch the ep each week.

Inform yourself before you troll with bullshit.

>>38339806

Great point /a/non. Too bad eighty percent of the people here won't take the time to understand it.

I'm guessing you're an English major? Studying lit theory, (post-)structuralism, and whatnot? Your ideas have got Barthes and Derrida written all over them.

MOE IS KILLING ANIME. MIYAZAKI KILLED ANIME WITH SHIT LIKE KIKI'S DELIVERY SERVICE HURRR DURRR

>>38339905

It doesn't matter whether moe is evil and ruining the industry or not, people who watch anime are pathetic fucks anyway.

We watch anime for "Entertainment" and have extremely low standards for what we watch, I honestly don't even know why I watch anime and read manga anymore, it's all so predictable now. I pretty much only lurk /a/ and read manga once in a while, don't even watch anime anymore.

You have to realize, nearly every single anime is the same shit with different names, places, powers, and characters with a few exceptions.

>>38339844

Honestly, I've never seen any hard facts regarding the shows appeal. Logic dictates for a show to sell the numbers K-ON has been, it must be appealing to people outside of the hug pillow crowd.

It does air on something like 26 channels throughout the week at all different times, not just late night slots. Its just the premiere is the late night slot on TBS. Also, its not like people can't watch things on the internet. I mean, I know this place is a skewed demographic, but its not like anyone here is watching it on TV.

This was a fascinating article with the OP's quote taken out of context for MAXIMUM TROLLING.

>>38339397
He's still a hikki now. If you read the final notes at the novel, he said after years of making the novel, he's just living off the royalties paid for the novel, and he couldn't write anymore because of the trauma of writing about his own life.

>>38339905
Ahahahaha did you totally overlook him praising K-ON?

God you're an idiot but plese keep posting tl;dr

I don't care about some creepy lonely future pedophiles with no jobs, so why should i watch anime about them.

>>38340005
No, fuck you.

Airing list:

TBS : 初回は25:29～
HBC北海道放送 : 04/20 25:56～
ATV青森テレビ : 04/18 24:50～
IBC岩手放送 : 04/20 24:45～
TBC東北放送 : 04/22 25:30～
TUYテレビユー山形 : 04/20 24:50～
TUFテレビユー福島 : 04/24 26:43～
UTYテレビ山梨 : 04/22 25:55～
BSN新潟放送 : 04/20 25:45～
TUTチューリップテレビ : 04/22 25:35～
MRO北陸放送 : 04/19 25:25～
SBC信越放送 : 04/24 25:45～
SBS静岡放送 : 04/20 25:20～
CBC中部日本放送 : 04/22 26:30～
MBS毎日放送 : 04/10 26:28～
RCC中国放送 : 04/23 26:55～
BSS山陰放送 : 04/19 25:25～
TYSテレビ山口 : 04/22 25:17～
RSK山陽放送 : 04/19 25:50～
KUTVテレビ高知 : 04/21 26:31～
ITVあいテレビ : 04/22 25:20～
RKB毎日放送 : 04/24 26:45～
NBC長崎放送 : 04/19 24:50～
RKK熊本放送 : 04/18 25:50～
OBS大分放送 : 04/22 25:20～
MRT宮崎放送 : 04/17 26:09～
MBC南日本放送 : 04/21 25:10～
RBC琉球放送 : 04/23 26:35～

Channels on that list that are in the Kanto region:
TBS

Airings on that list that aren't late-night:
0

I don't want to watch anime about NEET either. I watch anime to have fun, not to learn about social issues.

>>38339411
>>38339405
I agree with him.
Let's say an anime (or movie) director wants to make something about "Economic problems". Is he qualified enough for that? Does he have enough knowledge in Economics or does he even know the basic data of what he is talking about?
Most of the times... they don't. They are completely clueless and it ends up as trash.

>>38340053
>>38340053

And moe haters eats up like idiots and get laughed at. OP is either a shitty troll or a not-so-shitty troll. I can't even tell now.

>>38339206
>>38338908
ITT: people who don't realize the impact that entertainment has on a society and the consciousness of the people as a whole

It's like you guys don't know how important the works by Sir walter Scott were to the consciousness of the Southern United States that lead them to secede and go to war with the North (because they had a warped sense of honor, chivalry, etc--still to this day do), or how Uncle Tom's Cabin lead to a massive outcry for the end of slavery in the North and greatly exacerbated the tensions between North and South and caused a greater push for the abolitionists; or how works by Dickens, Hugo, Dostoyevsky, et al, cause a push for massive social reforms throughout Europe (Dickens especially in the UK and US) during the Victorian era, or how Birth of a Nation shaped social thought in America when it was made.

>>38339371
>>38339405
>>38339411
Firstly, I said that I do not approve of mindless entertainment. There are trillions of ways to entertain an audience, and some of those ways are by having deep subtext and themes and so forth.

Secondly, every single form of media can be used for different purposes. For example: a movie can be entertainment OR it can be a tool OR it can be art. But it should not try to be all things at once. A Triumph of the Will is a tool. The Godfather is entertainment. Un Chien Andalou is art. It's about what the creator's end goal is. Does the creator want to enlighten the audience and make them think about large social issues? Then it is probably not a story, it is probably art, or a tool.

>>38340006
Nope, Biochemistry major. I just liked my English literature and composition classes in high school.

Honestly, every show has a theme for the viewer. Sato just isn't well-versed in analysis or something. Sometimes, a cigar just isn't a cigar.

>>38340005
Oh, and for the record? 6-8 airings don't cover all regions. A shitton of anime doesn't air nationwide in Japan. A lot of it airs in Kanto, Kansai, and parts of Chubu only.

>>38339905
It isn't entirely evil.

Plenty of Moe shows, and Proto-moe shows have their place in anime history. Others do nothing but pander and imitate though.

Haruhi
Key-Shit
Azumanga Daioh
Hell, even Lucky Star
have their place in anime history.

Chu-bra and the like, however, are nothing but fanservice-upped imitations of a winning formula.

Best Moe of the last season? B Gata H Kei. At least it tried to provide intelligent commentary on a rapidly sexualizing youth culture.

Eden of the East sucks
hahaha

>>38339950
Again money talks

>>38339844
>>38340040
K-ON was the second most liked show of Spring among regular female anime watchers after Hakuoki or something.

Of course I did not save the link to the poll though.

>>38340094
Really now, American History is the most useless subject you could ever know about.

>>38340094
Name one cartoon that has done something like that.

>>38339221
Well written stories can make a point without being ridiculous and are as good if not better than well written entertainment stories. It's called subtlety.

>>38340094
Damn good points.

Anime can be a medium of some integrity, but instead you fags are too busy eating up moe-moe-kyun BS which does nothing to advance anybody's perspective on anything. It's not even visually inspiring.

It's cynically designed to push your buttons.

>>38340077
I said many regions, not ALL regions, fucktard.

>>38340181
>regular female anime watchers
both of them?

Why does it seem like if all big directors are retarded assholes with a massive superiority complex and a self righteous to tell everyone how much their lives suck?
Its like if man, what happened to the idea of entertainment.

>>38340186

Yeah, really. If you want serious business, read a book. There's more types of media out there than just animation.

>>38340251
You are severely underestimating the legion of fujoshi.

Just read the whole article. The guy has sand in his vagina.

>>38340225
>Anime can be a medium of some integrity
It isn't, never has been and never will be. Thank god.

>>38340094

THIS IS ISN'T SLAVERY OR THE CIVIL WAR FOR FUCKS SAKE

IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE WHO STAY INSIDE THEIR HOMES

WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE JUST IGNORE THE STUFF YOU DON'T LIKE AND ENJOY THE SHIT YOU DO LIKE

JESUS FUCK I SO MAD

>>38340156
I consider those shows with moe elements, not moe shows. The centerpiece isn't the moe for most of them, so much as the slice of life business.

>>38340186
Victory Through Air Power?

>>38340280
They all saw Miyazaki rant about iPads and decided being a bitchy fag was the cool thing to do

Anime featuring NEETs are always better than moe crapfests.

NHK is still and always will be my favorite manga/anime

Sato's problem is that he's blaming the fans when it's the industry that's pumping this shit out. What happened to the artists? Almost everyone in anime is just trying to make money now, and what sells is shonen and moe.

>>38340287
TENTACLE RAEPING LOLIS
IS
INTEGRAL

>>38340283
no one ever complains about the fujoshi odd that

>>38339703
Considering the epic sales due to Moe, it may be considered an issue, since it is hard to have an normal conversation with people who have an entirely different focus for a show..

However, you are right. If everyone whould produce moeshows similar to Lucky Shit and K-On, it would be difficult for the demographic to buy most shows they enjoy and diversity isnt a given in an kuukikei Anime. Also take note that most people who watch Moe-shows also enjoy shows with an different setting in narration, style, pace and atmosphere. Therefore domination as implied will never happen.

I believe that the Anime industry does have an great flow of creativity that is evenly balanced. Good shows do come out every one or two seasons, it is up to the demographics to enjoy any of those shows or not.

How popular an Anime really is is only implied to how many people like AND buy it, discussing any show is a whole different matter.

>>38340310
Because you're spreading a big stinking load of cutesy shit all over the face of the cultural zeitgeist.

>>38340079

Unless you've got someone like Thomas Pynchon, who is in fact educated in engineering, and writes about math and science in his novels quite effectively - most artists don't do what you are suggesting here.

You're right - if a guy who knows nothing about economics makes a movie with metaphors or subtext about economics, it's probably going to be a joke.

But that's not art anyway.

Art talks about social and personal problems from a subjective perspective. Shows about neets and hikki are meaningful not because they propose a solution, but because they offer perspective, and because people can relate to them.

>>38340283
Fujoshi read manga.
Hell, everyone in Japan reads manga.
Anime is for male nerds only.

>>38340225
Anime has always been meant as entertainment, nothing more.

Just a shame entertainment now means cute girls doing cute things.

>>38340156
>Best Moe of the last season? B Gata H Kei
>does not know what moe means

>>38340239
Every single one of those channels (except TBS, HBC, and MBS) broadcasts to a single prefecture. TBS, HBC, and MBS are region-wide and the prefectures in their regions do not have their own individual JNN affiliates.

True: K-ON is airing on every JNN affiliate.
True: K-ON is airing late-night on every single affiliate.
False: K-ON is airing multiple times or during the day in some prefectures.

>>38340280
>Why does it seem like if all big directors are retarded assholes with a massive superiority complex and a self righteous to tell everyone how much their lives suck?
>Its like if man, what happened to the idea of entertainment.

Most of them are not like that. It's just that the pricks like this guy are more vocal.

>>38339806
>>"How can Sato say that's not a important point of discussion in an anime?"

He isn't arguing for "DEEP" anime, he is arguing that anime is slowly being reduced to a formula that is built around what otaku will watch. This formula is BLAND and isn't appealing to the mass market. In addition, the production chain has now insulated itself with this formula and there are no new, novel, interesting, risk-taking, storytellers out there these days.

The example of manga shows that the less contact with "the system" of production has kept mange inventive and refreshing when compared to anime.

The lessons you reference are usually part of a larger story and not a single story element unto itself. Such stories are hurting the industry as less and less time is dedicated to fleshing out a complex story and more and more time is spent on fiddling with the image quality as a tool for emotion-eliciting (see: moe and other otaku-bate).

You people want to know about an anime that changed people? That had a visible effect?

Yea... A fucking cartoon from japan that impacted people and society?

FUCKING CAPTAIN TSUBASA.

You can find at 75 professional soccer/footballers in Europe and Asia who site Captain FUCKING Tsubasa as an inspiration.

>>38340186

K-ON

>>38340355 Anime is for male nerds only.

Women have made up an increasing amount of the anime market for years now and they've been trying to cater to it. But women don't buy the same sort of merchandise as male fans and I don't think the merchandisers can figure out how to market to them properly. Japanese are horrible entrepreneurs, too passive and cowardly.

>>38340353

>attempted to define the word art

I stopped reading there.

>>38339221
There is not difference between art and entertainment. And stories throughout history have been used as vehicles to teach people. Look at the fairy tales that people take for granted: Have you actually read the fairy tales in the original selves (when they were written down by the Grimm's brothers?) or have you read aesop's fables or mother goose's nursery rhymes?

Epics of old, not only told a story, but they had a moral and they dealt with the social and philosophical issues of their culture. The Odyssey, the Iliad (especially the Iliad) dealt with a lot of the moral dilemmas of the Greek society, the same for the mahabarata, Ramayana that deal with the social dilemma's in India. What does one do in their caste? is the action so and so take right? Should so and so have done this? What do you do when you have to honor two things that go against each other? etc.

>>38340352

YES FIGHT ON YOU WARRIOR OF CULTURE, YOU PARAGON OF SOPHISTICATION, YOU AVATAR OF ORDER

BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THE MEDIUM YOU SO DESPERATELY TRYING TO DEFEND IS CARTOONS

OH WAIT

>>38340350
Yeah, you sure aren't BIASED in your post or anything.

Is....is it wrong that I don't really care? I mean, he's just stating his opinion on the current state of the anime industry in Japan. It has nothing to do with me.

>>38340406
pointless if no one buys it

>>38340355
>Fujoshi read manga.

Don't know why people don't get this, there's like 10 fujoshi anime (including gundams thank Sunrise for creating faggot pilots) compared to the thousands of BL shitty as fuck manga out there.

>>38340339

Because girls who shlick to Gundam pilots are perfectly fine while guys that whack off to Lucky Star are the cancer killing anime.

Don't ask me. It seems like its all the same shit really. The girls are just as bad as the guys in this case, they just don't get all the flack.

>>38339844
>For instance, it's been said that the lack of panty shots and typical shit like that has opened up K-On's demographic
The lack of pointless mindnumbing fanservice is why I like it.

>>38340192
Yes, very true. I think that stories can contain those elements, but when you start off creating some kind of media, I think it's very important to know what your focus is. If it is a story, then in my mind your foremost goal should be to entertain, and the other aspects such as getting the audience to think about a certain subject should all support that central goal of yours.

It worries me because I see so many authors trying to make their stories be too many things at once. They want to be entertaining, but they also want to convey a message, but they also want to address specific political issues, but they also want to discuss human nature. And in the end they cannot decide what to focus on, and their story is a jumbled mess. That is why I advocate a more orderly system of naming these different forms depending on what they primarily focus on. I hope that makes more sense.

>>38340406

But that's how it is with pretty much everything these days, especially cartoons in america.

I would rather watch Lucky Star than shit like Ergo Proxy. I watch anime for entertainment, not for "LOOK HOW SMART I AM GUISE".

>>38340434
Don't trivialize cartoons. They've been shown to have plenty of power as a medium.

>>38340355
How the fuck did Gundam SEED sell so well then?

>>38340490
That doesn't make it right.

>>38340441

I like you.

ITT pretentious faggots get mad

>>38340406
>isn't appealing to the mass market.
I don't see how this is a problem. Otaku sub-culture has always been a niche, and should remain as one. Anime being mostly a niche industry is a fucking given.

Also, who cares about normalfags?

Bland formula or not is just a matter of perspective and opinion.

>>38340516
Because it is Gundam and old people remember Gundam from their childhood and want to recapture that.

The dude has great taste.

I also love Eureka Seven, Cowboy Bebop, Ergo Proxy and K-ON.

>>38340568

>>38340441
But do you have no opinion on the matter at all?
I don't care either, it doesn't affect me directly or even indirectly because its not like if his words would change anything. Still, I think he's full of bullshit just like Anno and Miyazaki now.

>>38339474
>So he says he likes K-ON.

He doesn't you incredible 12 year old troll.

>rather he likes the incredible designs.
>likes the designs not the show

ITT: /a/ is anti-intellectual

again

>>38340498
You're a fag.

It's remarkable to me that there's a constituent on here that is actually butthurt about the fact that some anime go beyond mindless entertainment. Like it's offensive to intrude on your escapist hobby.

>>38340478
When it comes to Gundam, people only bring in the fujoshi to complain about shows they don't like.

Me? My problem? I want a good fucking story/entertainment, based on what the show is about.

If you can't make giant robots fighting interesting, or have a story that has me scratching my head, or realizing it doesn't make any sense, then I've got a fucking problem with you.

I'll take K-ON! any day over a poorly written action/mecha story or any harem show that doesn't go anywhere in circles.

Conversely, I'll take a great mecha show, or a show about a DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIP (that isn't tsundere antics) over K-ON!

Fujoshi buys a lot of anime too.
See the new Gundams. Who do you think that bought Wing, Seed and 00? Mecha fans? LOL
Same thing with Kuroshitsuji and Junjou Romantica. Look at their sales. They are quite high.
Or Prince of Tennis, Reborn.

>>38339745
This man knows what the fuck is UP.

>>38340498
I would also rather watch Lucky Star, but only because Ergo Proxy is such a shitty show.

GiTS: SAC is so much better.

>>38340619
Bebop was escapist.

>>38340506
Proof A.
America.
Furries weren't born, they were made. Blame Disney and Warner Brothers.

>>38340568

You just keep telling yourself it wasn't fueled by the money from an army of horny Japanese women.

>>38340380
On this topic, are there no national/cable/satellite channels in Japan, or are they simply considered irrelevant?

>>38340498
So does everyone else. However, would you agree that something intellectual can often be more entertaining than something mindless?

My question is, which would you find more entertaining a David Lynch film, say Eraserhead. Or Transformers 2?

And that's not to say things can't be sensationalistic entertainment and contain deeper themes, because The Godfather, Back to The Future, and Ghostbusters are all great films.

Basically, I'll admit I watch entertainment to be entertained, but I add to that that I'd prefer mindful entertainment to mindless entertainment.

Regarding Ergo Proxy and Lucky Star, I found Ergo more entertaining even though I didn't like the second half very much.

>>38340666
Of course there is.

>Sora Kake Girls could have been that much better without their NEET themes.

Actually I liked the Box people--Nerval thought he was giving them everything they desired, but for some inexplicable reason the box people all die. Soaring Cake Girl realized the harsh freedom of reality is the sustenance people need rather than the illusions the box provides you.

The Demon Emperor Lulubot would've just killed them all. Wastes of fucking carbon.

>This Thread

Enjoy arguing about cartoons while knowing that nothing you ever say or do will matter to Japan because you're all filthy gaijin.

God damn it, how I hate pretentious people.

>>38340646
>GiTS

shit, watch some good anime like elfen lied

>>38340612
To be honest, I'm not 100% on what exactly the matter is. More and more anime are just pandering to creepy otaku?

Bookmarked

Will not read this at this hour when kids are playing trolls and its summer.

If someone is willing to discuss this at night, I'm in

>>38340428
Exactly, I would classify those as different forms of media. See: >>38340120

My theory is that all media can be divided into three categories based on what it focuses on: entertainment (stories, performance, etc), tools (propaganda, instruction, etc), art (personal expression, societal observation, etc)

>>38340615
/a/ is anti intellectual whenever a pretentious and arrogant person forces it into this lock mode

its a defensive mechanism of sorts

you can easily see the difference when you say something like " all your anime is bland shit with no meaning" instead of " I enjoy anime with meaning lets discuss that"

>>38340613
Yes he does like K-ON, stop selectively quoting him. He had nothing but praise for it.

>He did not say that he disliked “atmosphere-type” works like “K-On!”

I don't want anime to be mainstream, it will lose what makes anime, anime. Yes, bouncing titties and yelling manchildren is part of anime and has been for decades.

>>38340693
Replace transformers 2 with something that wasn't shit even by mindless standards.
The action was dumb and it had no cool one liners.
Say, Rocky instead or Diehard or something like that.

I'd like to see an anime that start out like Moeshit and then the boring stand-in for the insecure male audience gets killed.

And then the moe girls become badass and get magical powers.

Also God is good. God is EEEEVIL and so in the church in Anime unless god is a cute moe love interest.

I'd watch the shit out of that.

>>38339516
Pretty much yeah. He feels like anime is becoming The Man instead of being a way around The Man. Anime has sold out.

Thus, hiphop culture and otaku manga culture being good things.

>>38340506

that's not what i mean. I have no problem with cartoons and anime having some message beyond entertainment. i think alot of truly good shows do that.

But to expect cartoons to have some sort of profound social impact or to see them as the spearhead of 'art' is fucking stupid

Look at the tv shows in your countries and then say you have the right to complain about japan

>>38340693
>So does everyone else. However, would you agree that something intellectual can often be more entertaining than something mindless?
Dunno about that

>My question is, which would you find more entertaining a David Lynch film, say Eraserhead. Or Transformers 2?
Transformers 2

You know the problem with NEET-related stories is that most of the authors just want to spurt their disgust towards them rather than work on pointing them new doors in life.

It doesn't really matter what the show is about, the impressions it makes as to see a the whole of it and the details that appear from time on time in it are what made its relevance. So... to trespass the personal election the public does on show, the artist must strive to highlight with creativity relevant themes inside their work. A show aimed to children can leave a positive impression of bonding with other people and to become a dependable person to those for we care, as much as can a adult oriented series.

I think some artist have a loss in the notion of how to transmit a relevant message in their art towards other people. And artist can be direct an aggressive in pointing something but from them it's expected the sensibility to make a relevant impression that can be assimilated from the way they converge the message, that's what artist can offer in that aspect. And I think that the stressful life the manga/anime industry have just has turned most of them in a rage-machine when they see someone who isn't the system, instead of look deep at their nature. Artist don't want to see the other people, and that's their most notable failure. Of course we have some magnificent artist that escape from all this, but it's kind of sad that they blame what other artist does to just spit on some people sad life.

tl;dr: Some people need to understand that only where do you aim your work is what can make changes in life, and that criticizing tastes is pointless.

わかりません　っっっっっっっっ

>>38340666
NHK-G/NHK-E are nationwide.

Broadcast satellite is nationwide (NHK-BS1/2, BS-Fuji/Japan(TVTokyo's)/NTV/Asahi/TBS, others).

Sky PerfecTV! is a nationwide satellite provider (think Dish Network/DirectTV in America).

There are also cable providers.

Most anime (ie, everything not airing on AT-X or the odd WOWOW/NHK-BS2/NHK-E) airs on terrestrial channels that broadcast to a single region or prefecture. Everything airs in Kanto (Tokyo MX, Chiba TV, TV Kanegawa are channels there, as are the main network terrestrials TBS/TV Tokyo/Fuji TV/TV Asahi/NTV), nearly everything airs in Kansai (home of MBS and others).

The state of anime is shit.

Animators, studio directors, pretty much everyone (who matters) agrees.

>>38340751
>entertainment

Needs no story, just look at Bay movies and reality TV. At most all they need is a scenario.

>>38339806
>Over analyzing his moeshit trying to find a leg to stand on

>>38340776
AMEN

Most people would say Kamina and Simon are retarded.
I say they are awesome. Shouting attacks is awesome. Bouncing boobs are awesome. Fuck the normals that think its immature.

>>38340186
Persepolis for one. Satoshi Kon tries to do this in his works--Paprika, Tokyo Godfathers, Paranoia Agent, Perfect Blue. Ghost in the Shell, NOw and then, Here and there, Maus, Planetes, many comics and manga

>>38340828
do the otaku agree?

ITT moefags mad

>>38340666
If you want more info and can use IRC there's some relatively knowledgeable people when it comes to TV in Japan in the IRC channel for the Elitist_Fags raw group.

>>38340818
It was a nightmare reading that shit.

>>38340861
My bad. I read your posts. There have been anime/cartoons/comics that have the potential to do it, but as long as anime is used primarily as a medium for escapism, then those that try to gain actual social/artistic merit are disregarded.

>>38340818
talking about evangelion and anno using it as a metaphor of his shitty life right?

Evangelion was a deconstruction of Mecha anime, right? I'd like to see a deconstruction of Moe anime.

List of famous industry people who have praised K-ON:

Osamu Kobayashi
Sato Dai

who else?

That man is my hero.

>>38340751
>My theory is that all media can be divided into three categories based on what it focuses on: entertainment (stories, performance, etc), tools (propaganda, instruction, etc), art (personal expression, societal observation, etc)
That's pretty much the same way I think about things.

>>38340799

So you want K-ON meets Eva? Interesting.

>>38340918
>Evangelion was a deconstruction of Mecha anime, right?
No, it wasn't.

>>38339745
I could not accept a Canon-sensei anime, unless it has ridiculously gorgeous animation. And I mean, movie quality shit. Also, no pixel-dicks.

>>38340186
EVANGELION

>>38340926
so you like k-on!?

>>38340776
>and has been for decades.

BUT

BUT

/A/ TOLD ME EVERYTHING BEFORE 2000 WAS AN ORGASM IN ANIMATED FORM

>>38340793
Yup.
Shit like Rambo, Cobra (picture related) are where it is at. Damn, they need to make more movies like those.
Nowadays they want men to be emo faggots.

>>38340951
Of course, who doesn't like K-ON?

>>38340869

No, but many otaku are neets and hikkis who are completely dysfunctional. They don't know what's best for themselves - if they did they'd get their shit together.

>>38340287
Novels weren't at first. Novels were written for females and children and were seen as trash reads by the elites. Novelists used to preface their novels with, "I know novels are childish and shit, but I need money, really I do work in areas that have artistic merit--like plays and poems, but they're just not making money, blah blah blah"

Now people like you say, "READ A BOOK" I find it funny really. People who don't know the history of media are the ones that always say things like this

>>38340498
>GUISE
Wait, what?
I watch anime for entertainment, but that doesn't mean I'm entertained by the same drivel as you are.

On the opposite side of things, I might enjoy a few shows that others would consider garbage.

Why?
Because tastes are like fetishes.
One person can be really into something, while another person finds it boring or just plain weird.

>>38340878
>itt: moe haters madder in trying to find leverage for ammo despite being TOLD.

>>38339745
>Canon-Sensei anime?

ONLY IF THEY ANIMATE HER SHITTING OUT A GIRAFFE IN ALL ITS GLORY

>>38340966
those things were just as mindless as k-on

My theory is that all media can be divided into one category:

MEDIA.

I never got the point of generalizing to the point of retardation.

>>38340750

I'm in

>>38340966
Oh man you've got the good taste.

>>38341000

>I never got the point of generalizing to the point of retardation.

But you just did.

>>38340310
I didn't mention just slavery and civil war. I also mentioned times when there was a social problem (massive gap in wealth, child labor, very bad abuse of women--read the play A doll's house, which played a big part in pushing society to stop 19th century Europe from acting like muslims toward women).

>>38340989
Actually, it seems they do. They are just too fucked up to care because they are too fucked up, so they don't care.

They need a nice white knight hero to save them from their shitty lives. Also, drugs are bad. Look for Jesus.

>>38338345
>“atmosphere type” (kuuki-kei) anime. The latter is the type where nothing happens, or there is no significant plot or grand narrative. They tend to focus on cute characters and be very popular with moe fans


Oh, so the elevens have invented a catch-all term for shitty, cancerous anime. How convenient.

The customer is always right. Cry more.