>Implying $10 is a lot of money and you can't buy used books

Shit sucks, man. I was in the middle of reading Yawara when it happened. As long as mangatraders doesn't cave then I'm okay.

mangaupdates.com

register, make your reading list, easy tracking of releases

But yeah, the price of manga from US publishers is ridiculous considering the speed the average person could read it at.

Poor, poor fucker without a job or priorities.

Ten bucks is a small price to pay. Go on Amazon and they'll give you a discount on 'em. Go to borders and use their coupons(offline and online).

Those of us who pay bills budget something for our entertainment. Go to a movie one week. Buy a game another if you can(prolly used or handheld) the next. Buy manga the next. Or who knows, maybe you can use that same amount of cash to go on dates and get laid so you won't be on 4chan nearly as much to complain about not getting free manga.

The times they are a changing again, and I couldn't give two shits. I've been buying manga and I'll continue to buy manga for 6-7 bucks a volume. Learn to hustle you poor poor little manga fan.

You get what you pay for... and who knows, you might just appreciate it more if you have to work for what you love, bitch.

>>37869515
Don't forget that a lot of the translations are crap.

I hate buying manga because of young age trauma. Every manga I bought fell to pieces. Fuck your bindings publishers.

Wow. I am amazed. All of the manga I scanlate are gone, even the ones that aren't licensed and whose publishers aren't in the coalition thing. And you guys were parading it around back when MangaFox and OneManga were taking their licensed stuff down.

Well fuck you guys, just go to our blogs. We have mediafire folders and IRC bots for a reason, you know

10 bucks a book is fucking fine, stop being an asshole and support the industry

I don't care that they took off the licensed manga since I don't read that stuff anyway. Taking off the unlicensed manga is a different story.

>>37869563

Why do you people say this? Fan translations are no better than professional ones. Stop being a fag and buy shit.

>>37869563
Yeah, the changes, and sometimes blatant censorship made by the US publishers is another big turn off for me.

>>37869239
>implying 10 bucks for 100 or so pages is expensive
get a job

>>37869698
It's not just that man. It's also the retarded changes they make.

>>37869549
>>37869655

Just as a reference, manga tanks are typically $6 in Japan and $2-3 in the rest of Asia. I am not paying $4 per volume for the translation.

>maybe if your books weren't 10 bucks a pop I'd consider buying them.
You are a tight ass if you think $10 is too expensive for a manga.

>>37869709
I'd like proof of that in the modern era, I've seen only censorship of things that were either already censored (BL manga) or things older than 1995 or so, (CCS lol).

>image of a character crucified
>WHOOPS CAN'T HAVE THAT IN A CHRISTIAN NATION
>now image of a guy laying in a photoshopped circle

Fuck I WISH they were 10 bucks each.

They're fucking expensive where I live, like (what's the exchange rate?) 20 bucks each.

>>37869844
I lol'd.

mommy i need $10 daddy said he wouldnt give me any cuz i blew my allowance on Call of Duty DLC WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT MY MANGA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>37869742
I have a job, paying 10 dollars for something that takes less then an hour to read is ridiculous.

I can by a paperback novel that takes me several times as long to read for less, and then sell it to a used book store for more.

>>37869655

I will support the industry when price and quality match again. Translation quality has declined in both anime subs AND manga, and dubs and extra materials beyond clean OP/EDs have both gone extinct.

I'm getting a worse product for a similar price to what I paid 4-6 years ago. So FUCK the industry until they pick their asses bck up by their bootstraps.

>>37869844
>Implying they do that to manga

Are you underage jobless shits even trying anymore?

>You are a tight ass if you think $10 is too expensive for a manga.

Manga: 20 minutes of reading for $10
Lord of the Rings: 25 hours of reading for $18

>>37869709

Stop it with this "censorship" business. No one curses a blue streak in the Big 3 and even excessive acts of violence are let through(this is the same audience that should be able to read DC comics and they have just as much graphic bloody violence in their monthly books).

It's not nearly as bad as it was in the bad ol' days of the 90's with parents trying to latch onto anything remotely non-PC to blame for their childrens' problems.

>>37869802

$6 new, and you can get them used in good condition for like $2.

A lot of licensed manga are out of print and none will ever be printed again. If you missed it, tough shit because it's gone.

That said, most manga I read aren't licensed and aren't likely to be.

Its not the money that bothers me. Its the fact that mangas in the US are hard to find in significant quantity and far behind Japanese ones.

And you can FORGET about finding anything semi-obscure.

>>37869965
>Lord of the Rings: 25 hours of reading

What? I remember reading each volume in no more than 8 hours

Buy the books used then. They are around half the price depending. Quite frankly, quit complaining. If you aren't going to buy it in the first place, you'll have to deal with what comes with "piracy" including finding new sites to go to when the old ones get taken down. Not like it's difficult or anything.

We've played this song so very many times yet people still shit up communities with useless complaints.

>>37869844
Like I said, besides things like lol yu-gi-oh cards (which is Konami/Wizards for the card game, the OWNERS officially censoring, so blame the company who OWNS the IP who feels this is how it should be presented, or 4kids, and besides no wait Nintendo does pokemon internally now, fuck show me proof of this!

If anything, more shocking things are coming out, most of the Tezuka manga has horribly racist/offensive parts (gg swallowing the Earth for example) and yet its coming out, unedited and uncut! The biggest censorship that isn't lol 4kids I can think of at this moment is Angel Cop when manga removed the anti-Semitic content.

>>37869962
that is straight out of the US version of FMA, seriously.

>>37869965

Any 500 page trade paperback fantasy novel: $7.

Ticket for a 90-120 minute movie: $6-10 depending on time of day and where you go.

>>37869965
I took 2 month to actually finish lord of the rings

It sucks that they took off the unlicensed manga. That's the only thing I have a problem with. I already buy the manga I read that's licensed.

>>37870052
>What? I remember reading each volume in no more than 8 hours
8x3 = 24

HURRRR
DURRRRRRRRR

>>37869655
I was perfectly willing to. Until the industry pulled an RIAA and started this shit. Now I will never buy another localized copy of manga ever again.
Scanlations will not stop regardless of their builshit, and neither will the flow of tank scans from japan. They may be less convenient to get, but large scale webhosing was nonexistent when the scene started anyways, so it's back to IRC and SHARE again - no big fucking deal.
In either event, I will stop reading manga completely before I consider supporting this shit industry and their cut throat, spit in the fans face tactics.

How long you an enjoy something had nothing to do with how much you'll enjoy it. There's a lot more to manga than just speed reading the fucking story. Take time to appreciate the art and shit. 10 dollars for a beautifully detailed book is not a high price at all.

they are even more now. I saw Black Lagoon volume 1 yesterday for 13 DOLLARS in Barnes and Noble.

I would buy loads of manga if it was cheaper.Like 6 bucks like it used to be.

>>37870079
>Any 500 page trade paperback fantasy novel: $7.
About 3 hours of reading.
>Ticket for a 90-120 minute movie: $6-10 depending on time of day and where you go.
Significantly more entertaining than reading. Also, great for dates.

>>37869844

Mmkay... one change in Fullmetal to avoid some backlash from a church with more followers here in the Western world who like to cry foul on anything correlating to a religious figure not in a glorious mien.

Not the rule. An exception nowadays.

>>37869239

You do understand that those of us who are normal VISIT the sites of the scanlators and obtain the releases there?

Who would of thought!

I have no problem with buying manga or the price of it, I just wish I didn't have to wait so damn long for another volume to be released. They're so fucking behind it's not even funny.

>>37870184
>/a/
>dates

>>37870160
>Manga
>beautifully detailed

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>37870073
>>37869941
Can you read Japanese, if so could you make a blog pointing out these mistakes, with clear citations from a proper dictionary and the Japanese editions, and sometimes, translations are DEMANDED BY JAPAN (for example, as a super robot taisen fan, Atlus was forced to translate the name of a machine, Great Zengar, or DaiZengar as the fans latched onto it, as DyGenGuard (to fit with the official naming scheme, Dynamic General Guardian). That might be an issue as well with offical product.

>>37870073
Something tells me if it is where I remember it from, it was either ordered by Japan or changed in the later editions/reprints; but otherwise, I'd like proof, since claims like that could be easily shown in scans.

>>37870237

I'd be more willing to buy if the price was just slightly lower. It only really works for online purchasing, buying in stores is dumb. I haven't seen a manga deal at Borders in half a decade, and even then was it something like buy 4 get one 1 free.

>>37870160
>10 dollars for a beautifully detailed book is not a high price at all.
Unless we are talking about berserk/akira or bastard i don't see how this works out for other manga.

The small amount of manga I actually read... I read because they haven't been licensed here yet. If they were licensed over here I would be willing to shell out for them. Really sucks but shit will just move more underground.

Still Hoping for a Goodnight PunPun release over here, considering the authors other works have been licensed.

You guys seem to think there won't be a dozen more of these sites shortly. When mangafox took off all the adult and loli content, more sprang up almost instantly.

>>37870300

And even then, MSRP on Berserk is like $13, so with normal dicsount, $8-9?

>>37870086
Hey, Japan feels you don't deserve it, blame Japan for SHOCKINGLY expressing control over their IP, and not wanting people to translate their works without permission!

>>37870154
So, you are a leech, literally not buying anything and not paying the mangka for his/her/their efforts? GG child!

>>37870298
>went to local Borders last week
>buy 3 get one free

>>37870300
actually, Berserk is one of the series I do own, along with Eden and Hellsing. And I do not regret purchasing any of them, they are good books, story and art.

If they're too expensive because you have no intention of ever re-reading them, then go to the fucking library.

Also do you know why they're expensive? Because faggots like you wouldn't buy them in the first place. Know why the translations aren't so hot? They have to hire translators for cheaper.

And you know what? The industry still does good thinks. Look at Viz's Signature line. Look at SigIkki for christ's sake! They're translating and releasing Seinen and Josei series instead of just sticking to money-makers like Naruto and they're PUTTING CHAPTERS TO READ ONLINE FOR FREE.

>>37870366

Maybe it was just your store.

>>37870354

>implying that buying licensed stuff affects the mangaka in the slightest

>>37870354
I buy japanese tanks, imported DVD's/BD's, soundtracks, artbooks, et all regularly.
So fuck you.

>>37870154

Ten less dollars from you. Probably 30 more from the new fan who actually buys shit.

I see no loss.

>he still uses online manga readers

>>37870079

One is text. The other is film.

HURRRRRDURRR

>>37870343
Well it still sums up to 260$

>>37870181

Prices shot up here too. I'm in Ireland atm and despite the recession, prices have shot up towards 15 euro for some issues.

>>37869239
shounen jump manga is only 7.99 a pop also you get discounts from books a million or trying buying your shit used like i do. Hell my good will gets manga and I bought all of love hina and chobits for 5 bucks.

>>37870533
that's nuts man. i remember when viz charged $35 for a fucking volume of Ranma. i wouldn't be surprised if the prices for manga go back to those ridiculous levels as publishers start squeezing what remaining fans they have for all they're worth.

The piracy crackdown is bullshit for a lot of reasons. Hollywood's complaints that piracy somehow damages them is laughable.

But manga localization is a small, niche industry. 'Pirating' manga is even easier than movies because these online viewing websites are so easy. So even young readers of Naruto and the like who form the primary buyer base are capable of access without purchase either online or simply by reading the damn thing in the bookstore itself and putting it back.

I'm not going to say that piracy crackdowns are not extreme and problematic. But I am going to say that refusal to support the industry is a lot more harmful because it is different from the music or film industry in more than one way.

I once thought about buying. I can do the $10 for a volume no problem. But then I realize there's 20+ volumes out and suddenly I don't really feel like buying them anymore.

I'm Japanese-literate and have a job, so I'm just here to laugh at you. Don't mind me.

I don't even read manga much and I still filled out a survey. Good luck to you guys.

It's really sad to see them go. It was such a well kempt place compared to onemanga or other shit like that. I really liked the reading list. They didn't have to take all of the series down like that. They could have atleast kept the unpublished ones.

Just torrent it.

in this thread, leechers are leechers

my god, NO ONE is entitled for "free manga" but the dam thing

>>37870745

Yeah. If you're buying as it's coming out, it's probably better.

Short manga are totally worth it though, stuff like Nausicaa.

>>37870745
buy one a month man, it's not that bad

or don't buy never ending series

Look, I read shit online too, but I also buy manga that I want to support. Every one just needs to find a balance.

>>37870745
The only series around that length worth reading are Naoki Urasawa.

Planetes: 5 volumes.
Adolf: 5 volumes.
Ode to Kirihito, MW and Apollo's Song: One twenty dollar volume.
Tekkon Kinkreet: sweet-ass giant single 30 dollar volume.
Me and the Devil Blues: 2 volumes.
Solanin: 1 volume.
Yotsuba: 9 volumes.
Azumanga Daioh: 1 giant volume.

>>37870881

Care to point me in the direction of these publishers? I don't get titles like that over here; I'd have to order.

Not OP, but here's my opinion on it all:

10 bucks a book is fine for series that I'm currently following, and that I'm keeping up on and buying at the rate it comes out, which is like, every 2 or 3 months. I'm doing this with like, 7 or so different series. I support them.

The only series I read scanlations of are the super-long ones like One Piece that Ive fallen behind on and caught up. If I wanted to "legally" catch up, I'd have to spend $500 in one pop, and then I'd still be 2 years behind and would then go back to the regular schedule. I'm not willing to spend that much in one go. I know it's kind of selfish, but my reasoning is that when the series is finally finished and when I have a better job and the money to afford it, I might see if I can find a good deal on the whole series to buy and read (I prefer having the book in my hand as opposed to reading from a screen.)

WHERE DO WE GO NOW?

I own 1300 volumes. At this point, I do get a little irritated when the piracy legislation makes scanlators pull ddls and such (I rarely if ever use online readers, so I could give a fuck what they do), since I've more than done my part to support the industry. It's not that I bought that much and now I'm done, I still buy shit, I'd just like to be able to read stuff that's unlicensed/not out yet. It's pretty impossible to figure out who to be pissed at though, since this all comes about as a result of a clusterfuck of Japanese and US influences, both governmental and corporate. I guess eventually we'll all have to start using IRC, since that seems to be everyone's last bastion for their releases.

Can't wait for Mangafox and Onemanga to go down.

well a majority of the stuff people read are unlicensed in america.

but yes i think that if you can you should support the industry.

>>37871052
Viz (Urasawa, Solanin, Tekkon Kinkreet), Yen Press (Azumanga Daioh, Yotsuba), Vertical (Ode to Kirihito, MW, Apollo's Song) and Del Rey (Me and the Devil Blues).

Planetes and Adolf you can get used but are out of print.

Obviously if the manga industry in your country doesn't provide worthwhile series like these, my post doesn't really apply.

>>37871143
To the store, to buy some mango

Fuck. I was reading Berserk on there and that was the only place I know of where I can read that.

>>37871202

Again, it;s not that the problem is that these sites exist so we don't buy manga, it's that the mentality is to find stuff for free regardless. It won't change people into buying manga. The solution could have been integrating all of these sites into ad-revenue generators for the Japanese, something like CrunchyRoll, but I guess the Japs really are adverse to change.

>>37871202

why? so a sudden imaginary market will appear overnight? somehow I think not even 1% of manga will be made available to an english speaking audience.

I won a kindle at a conference
I have software to read manga on said device
I have a script for IRC that gets me all my manga releases before I know they're out

I'll never pay for manga ever again, and I can read them anywhere at my convenience. The tears of the manga industry are a sweet tonic I quaff and savor on a regular basis.

>>37871052
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_Inc.

pretty much these guys.


>>37871154
>implying that IRC servers can't simply be subpoenaed and records demanded, and what again, gives you the RIGHT to read unlicensed things. Import them if you must read them if anything.

>I have a script for IRC that gets me all my manga releases before I know they're out
Requesting that script.

>>37871154
this is exacerbated by lack of legit e-distribution model for both original tank volumes and localized scanlations. at least with the music and movie industry, they've caved to the tides of change.

>>37871388
Have fun when eventually people stop making manga altogether because there's no longer any profit in it because everyone is reading it for free.

>>37871363
more or less though, these are for the casuals, if the casuals (I hate that word but it fits) can't just GO TO ONEMANGA/MANGAFOX via GOOGLE.COM they will be more likely to buy it, if anything. The hardcores will still pirate, but the removal is simply making the burden to pirate hard enough that buying becomes easy.

>>37871473
I'll be dead before that happens.

>>37871473
that's not going to fucking happen. shit is too big of a cultural cornerstone in japan.
it's more likely the north american localization industry will collapse one trillion times before anything happens to japans manga industry. and even then it would probably take several nukes and a couple low orbit ion cannons to make anything happen to it.

You know what my biggest problem with buying is? Using Hayate as an example, there are 24 volumes currently out in Japan. Viz JUST released v15 last month.

>>37871619
scanlations are up to date bro

>>37871473

The movie and game industry aren't dying are they? The only thing that got destroyed by piracy is the psp but at least it does well in Japan.

>>37871421
Nowhere in there did I act like I had the right to read unlicensed things. I'll freely admit that despite supporting other titles, it's illegal for me to read even unlicensed work for free. Also, IRC is the SCANLATOR'S last bastion, not mine bro.

Also, you're on 4chan, everyone expects their shit for free now, so even if I did feel entitled, that wouldn't be anything shocking or new for you to point out.

>>37871473

hahaha yeah right... they've been saying that whenever a game changing technology or a cultural perception has changed the game for people in control of an industry.

>>37871619
You know what allows them and encourages them to release faster?

Buying. All the faggots who are pirating it instead of buying it are the ones making it this way.

>>37871660
I'm well aware of that, I'm just using it as a point for why I don't like buying manga.

>>37871473
That's not going to happen in our lifetime.

>>37871081

Actually. They accelerated the release of One Piece. We're about three or four months behind them, but Shonen Jump runs three weeks of chapters at a time each month in the mag, so we're not falling years behind like before.

>>37871612
this guy is right. If people are worried about pirates, they should cut off Japan from uploading raws and that wont happen.

>>37871727
obviously. the answer i was looking for was "bro-fist"

Anyone got any idea of how much the mangaka actually sees when you buy something from an American publisher? I wonder if after licensing fees and publishing fees it's just be easier to track down a mangaka and donate to his paypal or something.

>>37871688
>The movie and game industry aren't dying are they?

That's because A) They are much, much, much, MUCH larger.
B) Pirating is a lot less easily accessible. It also takes more time, so initial releases and theater runs make plenty of dough.

LOL MANGAFAGS Y SO POOR BRB TORRENT HD RIPS

BERSERK IS GONE? WTF I WAS JUST READING IT.

ok, someone give me another site so i can read berserk, pls..

>>37871857
>B) Pirating is a lot less easily accessible

that's a fucking crock. the movie industry's belly-aching is no different from the manga localization industry's. it all amounts to fucking GREED.
maybe if those fuckers released shit on a regular basis (Aria volume 6 FUCKING WHERE??) and with non-babelfish translations then they wouldn't be in the fucking bind they are in now.

>>37871735
Yeah, but the problem was, at the time I was following OP by reading Shonen Jump, and after the skip, I wasn't going to just buy a bunch of graphic novels without having the originals. And again, I can buy GN's at the rate they normally come out, but with that jump, it was like, dozens of GN's in a short period of time, which was too much. I ended up dropping Shonen Jump once Yu Yu Hakusho ended, since it was the only series to actually be allowed to run from beginning to end the full way through. I'm doing One Piece with scanlations because, again, to do so with the manga would cost about $500 or so, since there's over 50 volumes out.

The movie industry feeds off appealing to the lowest common denominator with SPLOSOINS FUCK YEAR MICHAEL BAY and RED TEXT ON WHITE BACKGROUND movies. And it continues to grow.

The gaman industry has, likewise, shit down gaming to appeal to SPLOSIONS FUCK YEAR MADDEN OF WAR HALO EXTREME. And DRM that punishes legitimate paying consumers because PAYING CUSTOMERS ARE ALL PIRATE CRIMINAL SCUM. Also, DLCs with carnival money points designed to make you pay more in than you get out (fucking BioWare points how do you work); I assume it's not actually any harder to pirate despite all that shit requiring new activation codes, though.

>>37871473
Several other anon have made my point for me, but yeah: it'll be a cold day in hell when the manga industry in Japan collapses into non-existence because a mess of filthy foreigners are consuming their media for free.

I mean, if not for the support of the North American industry, anime and manga would have never become established and flourished in the glorious nation of Japan. Whatever would they have done without the support of the all mighty Americans and their enormous penises?

Who the fuck would want to buy a volume of manga with shitty translations for at least $9.99? And that's not including sale taxes.

Japan Manga Industry is losing profit. But they are still Profiting and will always be able to sustain themselves.

the only industries dying are ones in other countries where they take their time and have a limited market with no advertising.

American Industries are trying to profit from people who are taking sources from Japan.

Pretty Stupid.

>>37871970
>Google Naruto
>first page results include direct links to online scan sites
>Google any hollywood film
>no instantly simple to use pirating options on the first page results

Derp der durrrrr.

Also of course it's about money. If none of you faggots buy Aria why are they going to pay wages and printing costs to release it?

These recent events makes me consider quitting.

Manga Industry (in the US) is facing a combination of the problems of the music and newspaper industries.

If they want to curb piracy they need to adapt to digital distribution and lower prices. It would massively cut their costs and allow a more direct stream of profit to flow into Japan.

Remember:

1000manga exists.

>>37872109
NOOOOOO DON'T DO IT HOX

>>37872109
Don't do it Hox!

>>37872109
My heart just stopped. Don't say stuff like that!

I will never buy manga again after Tokyopop stopped publishing the Getbackers halfway through. If you are going to license something at least publish it all the way through. Dont waste our time and money like that.

>>37872109
it's not hox, his trip was stolen

>>37872209
Since last night?

>BAWWWW BAD TRANSLATIONS
>BAWWWW TRANSLATE FASTER
>BAWWWW INVEST MONEY IN SERIES WHICH I DON'T SUPPORT
>BAWWWW ADVERTISE IN A COUNTRY SO DOMINATED BY MEDIA MARKETING THAT TINY NICHE INDUSTRIES COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD A DECENT CAMPAIGN

Jesus you are all faggots.

>>37872124
It does, but it's still kinda deficient.

If only there were a MANGA site where TRADERS could exchange new chapters as they were released....

herpderp how do i get tripcode stealan'

posting to prove it that his trip was stolen

btw Hox#ersatz
:3

>>37872003

Your case is understandable, man. It definitely would be massively more expensive if you tried to buy everything.

My one answer that I've been using for a long long time when I don't wanna spend any cash on movies or book is to go to the library.

>>37872305
How did you get this?

>>37872305
oops

Hox#ersatz
:3

>>37872357
>>37872341
there's a thread on /a/ right now with a bunch of trips and their passwords

and first of all. i must say.

mango licensed in america.

published new volume.

go to barnes and nobles.

get a cup of starbucks.

go to manga isle.

sit and chill while reading latest volume.

>>37872124
Not for long.

>>37872205
That kind of shit does make you want to stop buying. The problem is that they stopped halfway through because it wasn't selling, so it really isn't a good argument for pirating rather than buying if you stop and think about it. Tokyopop are a bunch of retards who make it hard to support them though, since they do that shit on a routine basis. They launched that whole line of VNs without any marketing research, without any advertising, and without telling the stores to put them in a logical place on the shelves, and then dropped them all immediately when they didn't sell like hotcakes. The easy solution to series getting dropped by publishers is for people to actually buy them in any case though. Dark Horse gets a lot of respect out of me, since they actually warn the fans when sales are low and prompt them to try and boost sales by word of mouth if they actually want releases to continue.

>>37872395
Please show me. Is it still alive?

>>37872413

Any competent bookkeeper will eventually kick you out of the store.

I worked at a boarders for 2 years and had to escort countless number of people who tried to use the store as a public library.

>>37872205
Its not their fault, shit happens dude, /co/ was all in an uproar when Blue Beetle was canceled because they loved it

Same thing when they put Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy on hiatus for however long to do Thanos Imperative

manga toshokan bent to pressure huh?
well shit I remember a while ago they made some speech about they'll never remove shit.

>>37872510
It's easy to do when it takes you 20 minutes to read the entire book.

>>37872205
Of all the companies taking part in this faggotry, Tokyopop infuriates me the most. The number of series they have let lapse into extended hiatus/extended release dates/out of print status while still crusading for copyright protection is aneurysm inducing.

I give Viz, Del Ray, and Dark Horse a pass. Viz makes a point of releasing manga fast and cheap, and Del Ray bends over backwards to provide the best translations and notes possible (at the expense of a few more dollars), and Dark Horse releases some super high quality products and handles titles even scanlators ignore. While it pains me to not support Aria and Wolf and Spice, Tokyopop and Yen Press can die in a fucking fire.

>>37872510
barnes and nobles is more chillaxed. they dont mind. they even provide tables and very comfortable seats for enjoyment of reading.

they dont care.

>>37872510
Then why do they put couches in the manga section.
its like they want me to live there.

>>37872572

You may get away with a few volumes but eventually any good store manager is going to ask you to leave and ban you from the store.

>>37872594
>>37872628
fuck yea.

>>37872510
>I worked at a boarders for 2 years and had to escort countless number of people who tried to use the store as a public library.

Too bad countless people still get away with it, I went to a Borders last week and the manga aisle was full of people sitting on the floor reading Naruto or Bleach

>>37872693
>sitting on the floor reading Naruto or Bleach
>sitting on the floor
where they belong.

>>37872667
Man I don't know how the fuck the large chain book stores (the only ones that sell manga in my area) would manage to ban anyone from the store. Way too many customers/employees to enforce that shit if you come back a few days later.

>>37872510
that sounds like a very bad business practice,
in anything involving customer service it does not behoove you to treat your customers like shit.

>>37872667
i used to do that for 3 years in middle school. left school head to barnes and nobles. bought coffee and just sit there and read.

also you could always take the book and move around that place.

and to clarify the barnes and nobles i go to is huge, 2 to 3 stories.

so maybe thats why.

time for a cheap, subscription based manga service.

Allow folks to carry around volumes and volumes on their favorite gadget for a price - fuck buying pounds and pounds of paperbacks that gather dust after used.

>>37872588

I never saw Barnes and Noble or Borders kicking people out.

I did see a small comic book store kicking people out for trying to finger their scummy little paws across all the stock, though. Mint quality is SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.

>>37872693

Again, you'll get away with it for awhile but eventually the store will crack down on you.

My store manager would watch and keep notes about people who stayed, sat down, and read books/comics without buying them. Eventually, once they crossed a point he would ask them to leave.

>>37872731
its actually pretty comfy dude.

its nice and carpeted and you just lay down in the manga isle.

and if you have friends, its better than sitting at a table of a couch.

>>37872588
>Viz makes a point of releasing manga fast and cheap

And now, with Pluto and the like more slowly but with special treatment.

Also online.

For free.

>>37872819
thats why you take the book and move to another section.

>>37872667
I don't know what unfriendly place you come from
but for years where I'm at I've gone to a Barnes and nobles just to read.
The only time I can remember anyone being kicked out was when some creep was going around and hitting on girls and generally being creepy.

>>37872862
>and if you have friends
>reading Naruto or Bleach
Hahaha. Tell me another, so that I may laugh again.

>>37872588
I fucking love Del Ray because they published the last volumes of some of the mangas that Tokyopop dropped.

>>37872791
to be frank I actually do like reading thing in book form,

>>37872819
think about it this way. You're there to read the book. they know that. its not gonna make a difference whether they kick you out or not since they know your not even gonna buy the shit in the first place.

>>37872940

Your lucky then.

I've had managers who were quite the assholes, but they technically are following store policy.

>>37872791
I'd be pretty keen on a subscription service for manga. $9.99 USD a month for weekly access to all the new releases (WSJ, Shonen Sunday, Young Animal, etc.), and a little more for access to the archives or some such.

>>37872791
>>37873065
SPAHS ARE AMONG US

>>37872963
well think about it this way. you call naruto and bleach shit, but that was like the astroboy for kids our age. it was the first time we were probably introduced to anime/manga besides toonami.

it might be shit to a majority of old fags and some newfags but its what we grew up with.

Yeah Barnes and Nobles just doesn't give a fuck

>>37873025

It's all about damaging the product. You wouldn't believe how people will just destroy something and place it back on the shelf.

If you ever see a boarders dumpster then you'll be amazed with just how much a store has to throw away due to something being unsellable. True, they'll try and return a lot, but only so much can.

If the manga is released here, the translation isn't awful, or censored, I will buy it. If I could read moonrunes, I would import.

>>37873156
that must be your place only. i mean it probably happens from time to time but people in new york who actually go to Barnes and Nobles respect the stuff.

or maybe thats just me.

>>37872588

>Viz makes a point of releasing manga fast and cheap, and Del Ray bends over backwards to provide the best translations and notes possible (at the expense of a few more dollars), and Dark Horse releases some super high quality products and handles titles even scanlators ignore.

This. Especially Del Ray. Not only are their translations top notch, their notes extensive and clear, and their books are physically some of nicest, but they even listen to their fanbase when they complain and fix problems. I remember the first couple of issues of Negima had several really poor translation choices and a few localized reference/joke changes, and the fans complained. And then, shockingly and against all odds, Del Ray STOPPED DOING IT. I was blown away.

Negima remains one of the only "long runner," mangas that I buy every new issue.

If Del Ray was the industry standard for quality, I wouldn't even care about release speed.

>>37872762
> it does not behoove you to treat your customers like shit.

they're not customers, they're squatters.

sad day man ;_;

>>37873226
best thing Del Ray ever did was the Belgariad and the Mallorean.

>>37873021
I completely understand this - I will lug around a fucking Tolkien or Thoreau or Neal Stephenson book all day. But those are week-long or month-long projects from a reading standpoint. Your typical volume of manga will not take anywhere near as long to finish.
I agree with and understand the allure of a physical copy, but I feel the format of the medium works wonderfully in digital format. Also, I'd prefer to hide my powerlevel and be a buyfag at the same time, and I have no space whatsoever for 2912839 series of manga.

Del Ray and Darkhorse are the only ones worth supporting.

I'm still amazed they print color pages in color instead of just taking the cheap horrible looking route that most if not all the others take.

So when will gotlurk and #lurk fucking update? It's been fucking months.

>>37873222
True. Other than myself the only other person i see in the Manga aisle at my B&N is an old fat black woman. And she puts shit back where she gets it. Nice and neat.

>>37873267
dude. go to mangaupdates.com/releases

you can keep track of new stuff and if you find something you;re reading then click it.

click the scanlating group.

dl.

i know it seems like a lot more work, but you have to be prepared when all reading sites get taken down.

and if you want a list, then register.

add whatever titles you can remember.

browse releases once a day and if you find another title, add it to your list.

>>37872588

My thoughts exactly.
Tokyopop became a cancer machine the second they stepped away from magazine publishing. I wouldn't mind if they went belly-up.

>>37873319
I'll be honest, I still buy Berserk, Gantz and Hellsing from Dark Horse. Too bad Del Ray doesnt publish anything I like. I still curse the fact that Del Ray or Dark Horse doesnt publish One Piece.

>>37873035
I don't think I'm lucky
I think its the store's general strategy,
they have several couches and tables for people to read on, and the fact that they send out a guy to collect the books people leave on the tables constantly leaves me to believe they are very well aware that people use the tables and couches to read.
not only that students actually go there for study groups, and I've even seen job interviews conducted there, and yes it has it share of manga cows.
I think its this store strategy to try to keep its customers content and well attached to the store.

>>37873153
are you like fifteen?

I was lucky I think. My library (before it burnt down ;_;) had a manga section. I got into one piece there which was a plus because I didn't have to wade through shit scans. I still have volume 21 that I never got a chance to return.

>>37873454
yeh.

im starting to think
B&N>>>>>>>Borders

>>37873153
19 actually.

Meh. The great thing about the internet is that nearly everything you want is available. You just have to do the googlework.

And I used to spend HOURS at B&N and Boarder's when I was in HS. I bought something maybe once every two months? Only one time staff complained and that was when I fell asleep on my friend's lap and unknowingly spread out all over the aisle. They only told me that I can't sleep in there. Then again that was a good 4 years ago.

Recently, I've started to notice that at B&N they kind of limit the places where people can sit and read. My boyfriend and I had a woman tell us to move three times because we sat near walls, corners, and in front of a shelf in an empty part of the bookstore. Then again she was probably afraid we were going to make babby in between the shelves. What pissed me off is that while we had this woman on our back, they never once told the emo Narutofags and homo Bleachfags to move from in front of the manga section. I noticed they made the aisle only big enough for one person to walk through at a time. But it didn't stop those fags from standing up for a good 2+ hours just to read Naruto.

That's the reason I read and buy everything online.

>>37869983
CMX ruined Tenjho Tenge for me.

>>37870062
>shit up communities with useless complaints.
>4chan
>derp

>>37873153
So your suggesting I compare Naruto and Bleach which is what kids today have, to the stuff I had as a kid and should see a correlation is shittyness?

>>37873450
Honestly I enjoy Viz's translation of One Piece after I got use to it. I would like Del Ray to have gotten ahold of it though. I'm not really a fan of the actual volumes on Dark Horse though they still do a good job. I don't know how to really explain it they just feel flimsier (for lack of a better word) than Viz's. We'd also probably be behind 3 years as well. For a Del Ray release it might be worth it though.

>>37873319

Let me also add. Udon is also one manga company I support.

They don't really put out a whole lot that isn't street fighter at the moemnt, but the stuff they do is IMO good quality.

(I swear they use better paper and a better binding process. This and all of their translations that I have read have been great.)

>>37873450
I'm hoping that Del Ray picks up the Get Backers.

>>37873626
im just saying its what we grew up with.

its like how most people wouldnt call their parents cooking shit.

you grew up with it. it was your first experience. so i don't understand why your flaming me because i like it.

i explained why i liked it and you call my tastes shit.

Other than Lucky Star from Bandai, the only manga I buy is stuff from Yen Press (Haruhi, Hidamari, Geijutsuka, K-On when that comes out) and Udon for their reprints of Silent Mobius.

>>37873226
>Negima remains one of the only "long runner," mangas that I buy every new issue.

Amen to that. I've noticed that most groups doing Negima take a lot of liberties when translating new chapters. Picking up the latest commercial release is almost like reading an entirely new story. Plus the full translation of the latin notes? Plus all the random fan art from the tankoban? Plus the translation notes? Two more bucks is worth it alone to learn that one of the teachers at Mahora is based on Serpico from Berserk. That level of detail and accuracy should be encouraged and rewarded.

Anyone that doubts the prowess of a Del Ray release should read a volume of Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei online and then the commercial release with all of the ridiculously detailed notes at the end.

sage for sounding like an advertisement

>>37873650

Are they the company that did the Sakura Ganbaru and other Sakura related Manga? If so, they're good people. Excellent work on their part.

>>37873727
i really want to buy it because i like the authors style.

but by the time they started publishing i had already read up pretty far ahead and was thinking i would buy it later.

now after a while with all those volumes out.
i calculate the price of buying everything that came out.

price scares the shit out of me.

>>37873650

I agree. I wish they put out more stuff. They usually go above and beyond for the stuff they put out.

I also <3 Sakura Ganboru

I'd buy manga if it didn't take up so much fucking goddamn room.

>>37873712
my parents cooking is shit,
thats why I do the cooking
but I digress
naruto is a shitty series
you belong to a shitty fanbase
get out.

Well fuck, I think I might drive down to B&N tomorrow and actually look at some of Del Ray's works. Never thought /a/ would encourage me to go outside.

>>37873727

Del Ray also brought us the Pheonix Wright Ace Auttorney Official Casebook manga, complete with translations modified to conform to the translation conventions of the english release of the game

This alone would have been enough to make me their slave for life.

>>37873868
B&N is a nice place to hang out once in a while.

My big problem with buying shit online are sometimes I'll get something and realize that the flipped the book so it will read left to right. Like with Black & White. That crap pissed me off.

>>37873712
Maybe you should get some better taste if you don't want to be flamed.
>>37873848