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    157 KB Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:18 No.37781697  
    My favorite anime are Gankutsuou, Berserk, and Mushishi...

    and yet I find myself watching crap like K-On. Is something wrong with me, /a/? Anyone else out there like myself?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:19 No.37781727
    like everyone
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:19 No.37781728
    There's nothing strange about this since K-On is also good.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:20 No.37781755
    >>37781728
    OP here. Fuck you it's a pile of feces. There has to be another reason why I'm watching it.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:21 No.37781766
    nothing wrong with watching something fun and cute from time to time
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:21 No.37781769
    >>37781755
    I don't know what you're talking about. It's really well done.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:21 No.37781778
    >>37781755
    because you like to fap to it?
    >> \oдo/ !C.A.Tdb5RI 07/14/10(Wed)05:22 No.37781784
    Maybe you like cute girls doping cute things. Nothing unusual with that.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:22 No.37781787
    >>37781755

    >they see me trollin
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:22 No.37781796
    Today I downloaded first half of second season of K-ON. I watched it all in one sit. It was so moe I died inside.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:22 No.37781799
    It is relaxing, funny, and involves cute girls doing cute things. What is not to like?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:23 No.37781823
    >>37781755

    Mindless entertainment? It's not like you really have to think for k-on. I mean look at how popular sitcoms are. Amusing situations that you don't have to think about to get, laugh a little, throw it away in your memory.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:23 No.37781842
    >likes Berserk
    >calls K-ON bad
    Haha.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:24 No.37781856
    OP, if you knew you wouldn't like it.
    WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN START?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:25 No.37781916
    YUI'S FAMILY NAME COMES FROM THE GUY WHO DID THE BERSERK SOUNDTRACK
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:26 No.37781924
    >>37781856
    You know, I'm one of those people that likes to watch something first so I can bash on it after having the experience... So yeah. I guess it just kinda stuck to me.
    >>37781823
    But because of shows like these we won't get adventure/action series like Berserk.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:26 No.37781955
    >>37781924

    >But because of shows like these we won't get adventure/action series like Berserk.

    Not true.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:27 No.37781959
    i usually watch serious stuff, no comedy. scifi, action etc.

    And then i watched Ah! My Goddess and i was like "aahhhhhhh, why am i still watching this". And yet, i watched the entire first season.

    Sometimes it's just hard to stop once you started, even if you die a little inside with every further episode you watch.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:27 No.37781962
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    K-On! is a light-hearted comedy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with liking it along with other more "mature" shows. It's called having a variety of taste and in my opinion, that's a good thing. Maybe you're just going to have the face the facts and realise that it's a decent, albeit somewhat mindless, show.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:27 No.37781975
    >>37781842
    You had best be trolling for all that you are worth, you fucking faggot.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:28 No.37781990
    >>37781916

    HTT should do a cover of Forces.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:28 No.37782008
    What are you talking about. K-ON is awesome, and you should feel awesome for watching it.

    Also, >berserk >anime

    0/10
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:28 No.37782012
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    >>37781962
    Agreed.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:29 No.37782021
    >>37781842
    >likes K-ON
    >implying Berserk is bad

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    That's a riot right there.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:29 No.37782024
    My favourite show is Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and I like K-ON too.

    I don't think it's crap either. It's a technically well made show and I find it entertaining.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:31 No.37782077
    >>37782024

    I'm watching LoGH right now and I just watched the ep when WHY ARE YOU SO FRUSTRATED died. It's not that great as the fans see, but it has good characters like Wolfgang and Yang. Also, Oberstein makes me rage.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:33 No.37782123
    >>37782077
    I've seen one episode.
    When does it get not shitty?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:34 No.37782136
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    >>37781728
    >>37781766
    >>37781769
    >>37781784
    >>37781799
    These, OP. Don't be sad, just enjoy the wonderful moe.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:35 No.37782154
    >>37782123
    when you grow up
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:36 No.37782177
    >>37781697
    Might be a passive/active audience effect. More otaku liking moe anime has helped effect change in the industry for MORE MOE. As a result, more moe shows are coming out, and it is shaping the tastes and interests audiences of anime.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:36 No.37782178
    >>37782077
    How is it not that great? Do you know a similar show which is better? I'd sure love to watch it.

    >>37782123
    Perhaps the show wasn't made for you. I can only recommend to give it a few more episodes, but if you find it boring, you might as well drop it. What did you find boring about it?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:37 No.37782212
    >>37781990
    My favorite show is Paranoia Agent, Millennium Actress, Paprika.

    And I like k-on! because yui's family name came from the guy who did the music for those anime.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:38 No.37782240
    >>37782177
    of audiences of anime*
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:38 No.37782251
    >>37782177
    "moe" has been around since the dawn of time. It's also not a genre, but a character attribute. Shows can't be moe, characters can be moe. And whether a character is moe or not depends a lot on the viewer's preferences.

    To call K-ON "moe anime" simply displays a lack of knowledge and most likely newfaggotry.

    K-ON is a slice-of-life/comedy anime.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:39 No.37782253
    >>37782178

    Space adventuran? Outlaw Star and Planetes. I hate the lazy battle scenes of LoGh. It doesn't have an impact and breath-taking animation.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:39 No.37782270
    >>37782178

    The way the first episode was just a guy doing nothing but sit on his ass ordering people to do stuff.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:43 No.37782361
    >>37782270
    What about the whole "fighting a massive battle in space" which took place around him?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)05:43 No.37782364
    >durr I can only enjoy one type of anime!

    People like you are the problem. Feels good being apart of the master race who enjoys plenty of different types of anime and isn't ashamed or guilty about it because of shitty macho bullshit and sheep behavior.

    >>37782177

    Your whole post is bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:44 No.37782382
    >>37782251
    Then tell me, o wise one, is it a coincidence that moe characters are the main selling point of K-ON?

    There has been a distinctive shift over the recent years to more anime with more and more characters designed to be moe.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:44 No.37782399
    >>37782364
    Thank you for your insightful response, as always. I will be ignoring you now.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:45 No.37782400
    >K-ON
    >implying crap

    There's something wrong with you. It's called normalfaggotory.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:45 No.37782404
    >>37782251
    Well, actually moe is a feeling and it can be felt for more than just characters. Things like trucks and factories can be moe too.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:46 No.37782440
    >>37782361
    Eh, I'm not much for action and 'splosions.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:47 No.37782465
    >Restricting taste, genre, and enjoyment.

    DEEPfags are as bad as shounenfags now?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:49 No.37782513
    >>37782253
    I couldn't disagree more.

    >Outlaw Star and Planetes
    are completely incomparable shows, because they focus on completely different aspects.

    >I hate the lazy battle scenes of LoGh
    The series is inspired by 18th century warfare, with its infantry lines and cavalry charges. Also, it tries to depict the coherences of warfare more realistic. In fact, I don't know any show which did a better job. Not to mention war itself being deeply interwoven with politics.
    >> undercoverfujoshi 07/14/10(Wed)05:51 No.37782551
    Because K-On has cute girls doing cute things. It is like junk food.

    100% straight no homo btw.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:56 No.37782657
    >>37782382
    >is it a coincidence that moe characters are the main selling point of K-ON?
    K-ON relies heavily on situational comedy based on character interaction, thus the characters are the main selling point. Whether they're moe or not is a matter of preference. Also, keep in mind that the show is popular among all demographics, including female demographics.

    >There has been a distinctive shift over the recent years to more anime with more and more characters designed to be moe.
    Again, I don't think you understand what "moe" means. If you think "moe" = pretty girls, then you couldn't be more wrong, because pretty girls have been around since the dawn of time, and are in fact what got most people into watching anime.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:56 No.37782663
    >>37782513

    Who said I'm comparing them? I'm just implying that they're great shows better than LoGH. Also, who gives damn about the source of its realism, let alone politics? Politics is one of worst entity ever invented by mankind. It's uninteresting and boring like all the politicians in the world.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:57 No.37782692
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    Shit, nigga.
    After I finished Flame of Recca, I turned on K-ON!
    Having more than one taste is fucking awesome.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)05:58 No.37782710
    K-ON is good, it only gets so many trolls because it's popular. Compare it to other less popular slice of life "moe" shows and they are all generally well liked.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:00 No.37782765
    >>37782657
    Females can also find those characters, girls or not, moe.

    I do not think moe=pretty girls.
    Think moe moe kyun; think Yui's klutziness; think Azusa's cat ears. Designed to be moe? JUST MAYBE.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:01 No.37782787
    >>37782663
    >Who said I'm comparing them?

    >shows better than LoGH

    Pro-tip: that's a comparison.

    >who gives damn about the source of its realism
    It should be considered because it makes one better understand what the authors/directors tried to convey.

    >Politics is one of worst entity ever invented by mankind. It's uninteresting and boring like all the politicians in the world.
    I don't see how your preferences are relevant here.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:02 No.37782792
    people who bash K-ON are ignorant because half the time they havent even watched it yet and the other half watching it and saying it sucks because its cute.

    if you dont like cute things then i cant call you human.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:06 No.37782876
    >>37782765
    >Yui's klutziness
    Yeah, it's not like characters like that haven't been around since forever.

    >Azusa's cat ears
    What about the time Genshiken did it?

    Nobody would deny that the characters of the show aren't cute, but the main appeal of the show is still the comedic interaction. Cuteness is just part of it.
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    >>37782765
    Moe != cute.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:08 No.37782906
    >>37781697
    you only think k-on is crap because trolls on /a/ tell you so, get yourself an own opinion and a pair while you're at it.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:08 No.37782917
    >>37782787

    Again, I do not implied that i'm COMPARING OS to Planetes (them). I'm comparing them to LoGH. Yes, they're both preferences, but it also means that what you gave were also preferences, weren't they? if you think LoGh can never be top because you're fucking delusional. I'm afraid to say, it's not.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:09 No.37782930
    >>37782887
    Not entirely, but in most cases it is.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:10 No.37782942
    >>37782887
    Thank you once again, Captain Obvious.

    I was specifying examples that a large proportion of people would find moe. But I can't seem to find this part where I unequivocally equated cuteness to moe that you seem to have read.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:10 No.37782946
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    >>37782765

    >still doesn't know what moe means.

    Yui's klutziness is mostly played for comedy. Yes it is cute and so are Azusa's cat ears. Are you going to act like it hasn't been significant anime for decades now?

    You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what moe means. Just shut up.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:11 No.37782972
    >>37782946

    c.f.
    >>37782942
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:11 No.37782974
    >>37782930

    No, it isn't.
    >> HeXCraft !!9J7j7NOPQba 07/14/10(Wed)06:12 No.37782990
    >>37781697

    Yep, you're just trying to "fit in" by watching K-ON! because you have a perception that somehow you'll be missing out on something if you don't watch it. Well, you won't, because it has no plot.

    The problem is, you're mildly retarded, and can't see that. You might not be beyond help yet, only you can discover that for yourself.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:12 No.37782994
    >>37782946
    >Yui's klutziness is mostly played for comedy.

    You don't know what moe is either.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:12 No.37782995
    Haven't klutzy characters been the foundation of some forms of comedy, like slapstick, for years and years?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:12 No.37782999
    >>37782942

    It doesn't matter what you were trying to say because it's wrong. It was ultimately based on the premise that that is all there is to K-ON which is bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:13 No.37783025
    >because it has no plot

    Worst post I've ever seen tonight. K-ON has a plot, retard.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:14 No.37783028
    >>37782999

    This.

    I watch K-ON for its complex character development and its super deep plot.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:14 No.37783035
    >>37782917
    >I'm comparing them to LoGH.
    And I've told you that they're completely incomparable because they focus on completely different aspects.

    >it also means that what you gave were also preferences, weren't they?
    No.

    I asked for a similar show which does a better job than LOGH. You named two completely different shows which you like better because of your preferences, but you were unable to provide a similar show which does a better job in aforementioned aspects, i.e. a believable depiction of warfare and politics.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:14 No.37783043
    >>37782999
    Get out.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:14 No.37783045
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    >>37782994

    I don't know what moe means? HAHAHA. I'm positive I have a better grasp on the term than you do.

    Your greentext doesn't even make any sense. In what way does that imply that I don't understand moe? Shut up.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:15 No.37783056
    >implying an argument, even if its conclusion is false, cannot have a true premise, or an argument, even if the premises are false, cannot have a true conclusion

    dohohoh.jpg

    I recommend you take some papers on logic and argumentation at your local college.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:16 No.37783071
    >>37782994
    How about you elaborate a bit on that? In my opinion he's completely right.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:16 No.37783072
    >>37783045
    You've stated others were wrong without any explanation whatsoever.

    So, Yotsuba C. What does moe mean?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:16 No.37783075
    >>37783056
    was referring to:
    >>37782999
    >It doesn't matter what you were trying to say because it's wrong. It was ultimately based on the premise that that is all there is to K-ON which is bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:16 No.37783080
    >>37783028
    Derp
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:18 No.37783127
    >>37783045
    >he thinks he knows what moe means
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    HEY GUESS WHAT! MOE IS WHAT YOU FEEL, NOT WHAT A CHARACTER IS!!
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:19 No.37783153
    >Another discussion about what moe means
    not_this_shit_again.jpg

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080710101534/http://heiseidemocracy.com/2005/12/07/the-moe-image/
    http://thoughtscream.org/wp/?tag=moe
    http://thoughtscream.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/gs-the-deconstruction-of-moe-subculture-03-tsundere/
    http://matthew.animeblogger.net/2005/07/20/wednesday-notes-akamatsu-sensei-talks-moe/
    http://www.sky.sannet.ne.jp/ma1919/moetry.html
    http://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/articles/2009/Galbraith.html
    http://www.tsurupeta.info/category/tags/moe
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:19 No.37783164
    >>37783072
    moe is an appealing cuteness with a hint of sexual attraction.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:19 No.37783168
    >>37783028

    Cool Sarcasm. :3

    No, K-ON is enjoyable because it has great atmosphere. It is well directed and funny. The character interaction in particular for the 2nd season has been very good. The fact that I find the characters adorable only enhances the enjoyment--it isn't what is based on. I can find cute anime characters anywhere and everywhere but that doesn't make a show good.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:19 No.37783170
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    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Moe

    "Coined in Japan around the year 2000, "Moe" (萌え) is an ill-defined otaku term that means, amongst others, "cute", "huggable", "endearing". While it's sometimes used to describe a series, it's more about a specific kind of character. Can also incorporate sexiness, to some. To others it invokes a Big Brother Instinct.

    Moe characters are cute. This is usually the specific aim, even over sexiness. Moe characters are implicitly youthful, congregating to high school age and below. Adult female characters who qualify are almost always in their low twenties. Any characters older than that have this fact unmentioned, or the character's appearance is altered as little as possible."
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:20 No.37783181
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    >>37782990
    >it has no plot.
    Actually it does. A plot is just the events that occur in a story. As such every story ever thought of has a plot. It may not coherent, it may not be deep and intricate, but it'll always be there. K-On! (similar to a lot of other comedy shows) uses an episodic narrative form where the events of each episode are mostly seperate from the events of the episodes before and after. In other words, each episode contains its own plot.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:21 No.37783217
    >>37783168
    You're such a faggot good lord.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:22 No.37783223
    >>37783173
    >tvtropes
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:22 No.37783238
    >>37783168

    >No, K-ON is enjoyable TO ME because it has great atmosphere. It is well directed and funny.

    When opinions don't agree, the show pretty much becomes meaningless bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:22 No.37783242
    >>37783173

    >http://tvtropes.org/

    second biggest bullshit after SC
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:23 No.37783256
    >>37783173

    >tvtropes

    >nobody sleeps tonight.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:23 No.37783258
    >>37783056
    >>37783075
    A tripfag not being logical? No way.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:24 No.37783267
    >>37783238
    Are you denying that K-ON is well directed? K-ON is technically very well made, probably as good as it gets in the genre.

    Whether the characters appeal to you is a different question, but to deny that the show is well made is outright foolish.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:24 No.37783268
    >>37783173
    >around the year 2000

    tvtropes don't know their shit
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:24 No.37783269
    >>37783258
    Why isn't Yotsuba C banned yet? All he does is shitpost and cry for attention.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:24 No.37783270
    >No, K-ON is enjoyable because it has great atmosphere. It is well directed and funny. The character interaction in particular for the 2nd season has been very good

    I can't tell if this tripwhore is trolling or not but for whatever reasons whenever he posts my rage matter goes off the limit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:24 No.37783273
    >>37783238

    if you actually watch the show, you'll be directed to nirvana.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:25 No.37783302
    >>37783267

    Aw, look at you, trying to argue like the term "well directed" stands on objective grounds.

    Do us a favor and fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:25 No.37783311
    >>37783270
    >>37783269
    Brofist.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:25 No.37783314
    >>37783270

    What's wrong?

    He's right.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:26 No.37783320
    >>37783238
    The same could be said of all shows
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:26 No.37783325
    >>37783270

    I'm not watching that show, but i can agreed with him.
    why? because the show actually success with that term.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:26 No.37783332
    >>37783320
    Then we both understand why trying to call me out for being "wrong" is a stupid gesture.
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    >>37783181
    Indeed. Though it would be more precise to say that K-ON is not plot-oriented. Unlike, say, Boogiepop Phantom, K-ON is a character-oriented show, focusing on exploring the characters it portrays rather than the events that occur within it. Generally speaking, 'plot' shows/films refer to stories in which larger scale events occur (see Princess Mononoke as opposed to Whisper of the Heart).

    Did I mention that I did Drama and Scriptwriting at Uni?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:27 No.37783369
    >>37783302
    >the term "well directed" stands on objective grounds
    Nothing stands on objective grounds, but there are certain criteria people agreed on, and based on those quality can be evaluated. It is also, without doubt well animated.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:27 No.37783372
    >>37783314
    He's not, he's a conformist retard who swallows whatever anime throws to his mouth. People with no criteria make me sick.

    And his trolling is annoying as well.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:27 No.37783374
    And here I thought this thread might actually have some nice discussions, but then the tripfag had to shit it up.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:28 No.37783387
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    Except when you're "opinions" are based on incorrect and fallacious bullshit they don't hold much water.

    K-ON haters can never give real reasons for why K-ON isn't a good show. It always comes down to shitty buzzwords like moeshit or saying shit like it has "no plot", "bad animation" "no character development" which are all complete bullshit. It's that type of ANN bullshit. Many of them haven't even seen the show or their opinions of it have been warped by what trolls tell them they're supposed to feel. Just look at the OP. He enjoys K-ON but feels necessary to call it crap and get acceptance for liking it just because the show is popular and has plenty of trolls. That is the problem with everyone. They can't think for themselves.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:28 No.37783395
    >>37783372
    How about you tell us about your criteria and why K-ON is a bad show based on them?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:29 No.37783403
    >>37782465
    Hey now, I consider myself a shounenfag, a DEEPfag, as well as a moefag. I appreciate aspects that come with each mold.

    I have to say my tastes are pretty much wide spread.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:29 No.37783413
    >>37783362
    Then what would your bullshit be for shows like Ga Rei Zero - which are heavily based on plot but that plot happens to be completely based on the character development?

    Also, what you said is pretty basic shit even children understand, I hope that's not what you didn't pay for Uni and come out with the same level of understanding this stuff as children.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:30 No.37783425
    >>37783372

    What's your criteria then?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:30 No.37783439
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    >>37783403
    >master race

    Sup bro.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:30 No.37783441
    >>37783372

    I feel sorry for you when other people can enjoy any show that you don't like.
    people can watch K-on that I never watch and never will.

    I don't really care since I will watch any show that I like.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:30 No.37783446
    >>37783395
    I actually don't hate the series, i just found incredible how people can watch such a retarded show with no point other than appeal to the most creepy otaku fantasies.

    I'll agree that the show is well animated, that's for sure.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:31 No.37783481
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    >>37783403
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:31 No.37783482
    >>37783446
    >creepy otaku

    Normalfag detected
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:32 No.37783483
    >>37783387
    >you're
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:32 No.37783490
    >>37783446
    So, why do you think K-ON! is bad?

    You haven't answer the question.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:32 No.37783499
    >>37781823

    It is the same as a sitcom, using kids, you could probably compare it to those Disney children's sitcoms, something utterly mindless, watch if you have NOTHING else to do or like watching cute girls do cute things.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:33 No.37783509
    >>37783482

    Does it make me a horrible horrible normalfag for thinking a lot of loli is just plain weird? And I dislike lolis in general?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:33 No.37783514
    >>37783446

    why people can't watch it?
    they didn't buy it to download it.

    if you want to argue with japanese otaku, go to 2ch.
    you'll find no one in here.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:34 No.37783532
    >>37783482
    I'm not a normalfag, i'm just not as pathetic as those fucks.

    I'm still kind of a pathetic fuck when looked by society, not that i care though.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:34 No.37783536
    >>37783387
    >K-ON haters can never give real reasons for why K-ON isn't a good show.

    That mentality prevents you from seeing WHY people actually dislike the show, you retard.

    Hell, I would feel that way too. If I was some stuck up faggot that thought a show had NO flaws, and any negative attention given to this show was due to the fact that these people don't possess functioning brains.

    It all comes down to tastes, you ignorant fuck. "Well directed" and "good character development" are subjective terms that change based on how you perceive the show under specific contexts. People disagreeing with your glorious opinions does not mean they're projecting logical fallacies, and by the looks of your previous posts, you don't exactly understand what fallacy means either.

    So, Yotsuba C, do us all a favor and shut the fuck up. I'm not asking you to stop posting with a trip, but if you are, then stop being a goddamn idiot.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:34 No.37783556
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    >>37783362
    >Did I mention that I did Drama and Scriptwriting at Uni?

    I lol'd. Not saying you're wrong, but that kind of thing does not increase the rhetorical quality of your post here. You might as well have said

    <(pic) 'I happen to be an expert on this subject'.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:35 No.37783575
    >>37783446
    >no point other than appeal to the most creepy otaku fantasies
    Sales disagree with you, because the show is popular among all demographics. It's also surprisingly popular among female demographics.

    K-ON hardly contains any fanservice at all. What are these "otaku fantasies" you're talking about? Cite examples from the show.

    >I'll agree that the show is well animated, that's for sure.
    Yes, it is.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:35 No.37783581
    >>37783490
    - Incredibly shallow plot
    - the music theme is completely overshadows by the moe exaggeration
    - their behavior annoys me personally, and i normally like moe.
    - i can't stand its fandom.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:36 No.37783587
    >>37783509
    According to /a/? Yes.
    According to me? Yes.

    Hey. Maybe it's just because preference. But if you're in denial and separate yourself from "otaku" or think there's a threshold that you can't cross, then you are a normalfag. Especially so if you can't get into the otaku sub-culture.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:36 No.37783594
    >>37783532

    >hating people who can enjoy anime

    I think you are the pathetic one in here.

    this come out from a person who never like K-on but never bother telling them to stop having fun watching anime.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:36 No.37783595
    >>37783446
    >such a retarded show with no point other than appeal to the most creepy otaku fantasies.
    Except normal people like K-On! as well. It wouldn't have sold so well if only otaku were attracted to it.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:36 No.37783597
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    >calling me a conformist

    lolno. I am far from a conformist. I don't like anything or hate it because it's popular. My opinions are my opnions. You're an idiot.

    >People with no criteria make me sick.

    Funny, because people who's criteria is based on majority opinion make ME sick.

    >And his trolling is annoying as well.

    HAHAHA. You complain about MY trolling on /a/ of all places? HAHAHA

    >>37783446

    >retarded show with no point other than appeal to the most creepy otaku fantasies.

    Can you prove that? No you can't. Would you say that if ANN and trolls on /a/ did not feed you that bullshit? No you wouldn't. That is the problem with you K-ON haters. Your arguments against the show are always based on fallacy.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:37 No.37783608
    >>37783536
    There are educated opinions, backed up by facts and reasoning and there are "opinions" which are nothing but that.

    If you want to be taken seriously, I recommend you start providing proper arguments.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:37 No.37783611
    >>37783575
    >Sales disagree with you, because the show is popular among all demographics. It's also surprisingly popular among female demographics.

    It's a show that portrays a cast living peacefully and having fun. No shit it's popular among females.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:37 No.37783618
    >>37783581
    samefag here, "overshadowed".
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:38 No.37783627
    >>37783581

    >i can't stand its fandom.

    even though you hate them you can't stop posting in their threads.

    pretty funny ain't it?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:38 No.37783630
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    >>37783387

    I agree with you for the most part, Yotsuba, but I don't think I've ever seen a post where you don't use the word "bullshit" at least six times.

    Seriously man, you need to expand your vocabulary a little.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:38 No.37783640
    >and yet I find myself watching crap like K-On. Is something wrong with me, /a/? Anyone else out there like
    Yes, you are an elitist faggot. Why cant people like OP watch whatever they want without feeling guilty?

    Fucking hypocrites
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:38 No.37783643
    >>37783597
    >Can you prove that? No you can't. Would you say that if ANN and trolls on /a/ did not feed you that bullshit? No you wouldn't. That is the problem with you K-ON haters. Your arguments against the show are always based on fallacy.

    "I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I SHALL PLACE MY JUDGEMENT ON THE SHOW, AND YOU ARE TO PROVE ME WRONG."

    Yotsuba C in a nutshell.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:38 No.37783647
    ITT: MAL and ANN users
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:39 No.37783650
    >>37783144
    Wow, only one person here knows what they're talking about and you all ignore him. Typical /a/.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:39 No.37783666
    >>37783587

    It's mostly the lolis. I'm not a big fan the whole looking-like-little-girls-while-doing-sexualized-things.

    I usually think of myself as right on the edge. I like a lot of anime, subs > dubs, etc. etc., but don't really collect figmas, merchandise in general, and that sort of stuff. Also I fairly easily keep my power level hidden.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:39 No.37783667
    My favorite anime are Mushishi, Planetes, Gankutsuou, LoGH, Baccano and Nodame Cantabile.
    Didn't care much for the first season of K-ON but fucking love S2.

    Moe hate is perpetuated by newfags trying to fit in with other newfags. Accept your moe overlords and you'll feel much better about yourself.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:39 No.37783677
    >>37783575

    Nowadays otakus couldn't care less about tits or panty shots, they're all over high school girls imprisoned on 10 years old bodies.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:40 No.37783682
    >>37783608
    >>37783608
    Protip: adding the term "educated" before "opinions" doesn't mean jack shit.

    >I recommend you start providing proper arguments.

    I've done my part. I suggest you start doing yours.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:40 No.37783683
    >>37783667
    This.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:40 No.37783698
    >>37783667
    its the idiots from /v/ bringing their CASUAL bullshit mind diseas
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:41 No.37783699
    >>37783597
    >Your arguments against the show are always based on fallacy.

    laughinggirls.jpg

    Quite hypocritical to be judging someone else's logic like that, don't you think?

    >>37783056
    >>37783075
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:41 No.37783700
    >>37783581
    >- Incredibly shallow plot
    How is that a bad thing? Are you implying a shallow plot can't provide entertainment?

    >- the music theme is completely overshadows by the moe exaggeration
    You keep throwing that word around which doesn't fit here. There is no "moe exaggeration". The show focusses on situational comedy.

    If you want to watch a sitcom of a band you don't want to have them play music all the time, you want to watch them do funny things.

    >- their behavior annoys me personally, and i normally like moe.
    Whether something is moe or not depends on the viewer's preferences. There is no such thing as general moe.

    What about their behaviour annoys you? Have you watched the show? Personally, I find they're acting fairly normal.

    >- i can't stand its fandom.
    What does that have to do with the show?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:41 No.37783710
    >>37783650

    /a/ Doesn't know what is "Moe" anymore.
    I feel sorry for people calling K-on is a Moeshit.

    WHILE I DON'T FEEL THAT ANYONE OR ANYTHING IN K-ON IS MOE!

    that's why i'm not watching it. but why should I hate other people for watching it?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:41 No.37783718
    Can you watch K-on? YES
    Can you say it's good? YES, if you're a bloody faggot.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:42 No.37783736
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    No, I know exactly why haters hate. People were hating on K-ON before it even started just because it had the KyoAni named attached to it. People have been conditioned to hate on it. Which is why it always comes down to these fallacies and falsities as I pointed out. It is rare that someone here gives criticism against K-ON that isn't blatant trolling, fallacious, false, or contradictory.

    I have the capacity to respect other people's opinions but not when they aren't real opinions but just ANN troll manufactured garbage.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:43 No.37783740
    >>37783581
    It's funny.
    No one complain about the art theme in Hidamari is completely overshadowed by the moe exaggeration
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:43 No.37783743
    >>37783439

    Nothing much.

    Just got a awesome dose of One Piece during my re-watch marathon of the anime (The Bellamy Punch, FUCK YEAH), then actually switched to K-ON! and a bit of Dokuro-chan/ Thinking about trying Sayonara Zetsoubou Sensei tonight (forgive me I do not spell the title right).

    Also participated in that Berserk thread a while back.

    I enjoyed it all, but One Piece made my night, I have to say. What did you bros enjoy tonight?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:43 No.37783744
    >>37783181

    It's like many other high school set comedies, I just never found K-on funny.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:43 No.37783751
    >>37783581

    It's a slice of life, it's supposed to have a shallow plot.
    Moe is not a genre, character archetype, or even a way someone acts. Stop using it as any of those. Is it that hard to just say "I wish they'd focus on the music more," or "I dislike the characters for the most part?"
    The fanbase has nothing to do with the show; every fanbase is full of ridiculously stupid people.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:43 No.37783753
    >>37783710

    >why should I hate other people for watching other show that I don't like.

    its a trend for newfags.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:44 No.37783772
    >>37783736
    >People were hating on K-ON before it even started just because it had the KyoAni named attached to it.
    Isn't that the same shit that happened to Lucky Star?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:45 No.37783779
    >>37783700

    There's a certain point, atleast for me, where the fandom will just completely disgust me to the point of the show/whatever disgusting me by association. It just rapes my desire to investigate further when there are SO MANY drooling retards or pretentious faggots raving about something.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:45 No.37783787
    >>37783736
    Holy fucking shit, dude. Stop hiding behind that "it's hated because popular or kyoanihurr" nonsense. You've done this with Angel Beats, and now you're doing it again.

    I, for one, enjoy K-ON. I enjoy watching cute girls doing cute things, I enjoy the general lighthearted mood, and I enjoy watching the main cast's interactions.

    However, I can see why these sorts of things wouldn't cater to a certain group of people, REGARDLESS of whether it's "popular" or "produced by KyoAni." That's just it. It doesn't suit their taste.

    I swear to god, if you use that bullshit excuse one more time, you're going on the filter.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:46 No.37783809
    >>37783700
    >If you want to watch a sitcom of a band you don't want to have them play music all the time, you want to watch them do funny things.

    There's where the issue comes to play, i don't find k-on funny.

    >What about their behaviour annoys you? Have you watched the show? Personally, I find they're acting fairly normal.

    Not sure if you're trolling me or not, k-on girls don't act like normal high school girls at all.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:46 No.37783811
    >>37783667
    >Moe hate is perpetuated by newfags trying to fit in with other newfags.
    This.

    People who claim only to watch "mature" anime are newfags. Mature anime have always been so rare that if you only watched those you'd hardly watch anime at all.

    Anime is not the medium for serious storytelling, it has never been. Serious anime has always been a rarity, an exception to the rule, while the majority of it has always been about cute girls.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:46 No.37783824
    >>37783710
    How insulting, anon. Don't group those who know with those who don't. Then again, it's not so far from the truth seeing as how the influx of newfags tend to be extremely new or unfamiliar with anime/manga and its related fields and elements.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:46 No.37783827
    Yotsuba C is Howling, guys. Ignore everything he says.
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    back then people hating lucky star not because of Moe.

    Back then the MAJORITY of /a/ still understand what is MOE

    back then some of /a/ hates LS because of 'BUY MOER HARUHI DVDS"!

    Moeshit terms doesn't exist before the split.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:47 No.37783855
    >>37783811
    I think you're the newfag if you truly believe that.
    Stop shouting bullshit just because there's people that don't drool over uour moe, there's newfags as well as oldfags who don't like moe.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:48 No.37783872
    >>37783751
    >every fanbase is full of ridiculously stupid people.
    >Yotsuba C

    I agree. Can some mod ban this tripfag already? The quality of his posts is quite atrocious, and the thread went to hell when he started posting because his posts incite so much rage, and not because what he says is true either.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:49 No.37783891
    >>37783855

    you can't hate moe because moe exist everywhere.
    you just doesn't realize it.

    Dun dun dun!
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:49 No.37783902
    >>37783872
    This.

    Fucking this.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:50 No.37783906
    >>37783743

    I want more dokuro-chan, completely retarded comedy but I love it.
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    >>37783787
    WOAH DERE CHAMP

    Tripfags don't even deserve to be acknowledged by anyone man enough to love K ON.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:50 No.37783916
    >>37783787
    This anon right here know his shit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:51 No.37783941
    I would never filter Yotsuba, his stupidity is fucking hilarious.

    I've never seen him posting anything that isn't incessant bitching that someone doesn't like the shows he likes.

    >>37783787

    Yotsuba was like this for fucking Angel Beats? Seriously?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:51 No.37783942
    >>37783809
    >There's where the issue comes to play, i don't find k-on funny.
    Well, I do.

    >Not sure if you're trolling me or not, k-on girls don't act like normal high school girls at all.
    It's been a while since I got out of high school, but they didn't seem that unrealistic to me. Keep in mind they're 16/17. Of course, one should also consider that they're characters in a sitcom so realism is sacrificed for comedic purposes.

    Besides, I asked you specifically for examples.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:51 No.37783948
    >>37783597
    >lolno. I am far from a conformist. I don't like anything or hate it because it's popular. My opinions are my opnions. You're an idiot.

    You mad bitch?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:51 No.37783950
    >>37783912
    True.
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    I love his work.

    Canabis artbook is awesome.

    I'm gonna dump it.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:52 No.37783968
    >>37783682
    >I've done my part.
    Where did you provide proper arguments? I didn't see any.

    Guide me to the post where you did.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:52 No.37783969
    >>37783941
    He loves shit, shit anime for shit people such as himself.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:53 No.37783986
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    Yotsuba defending Angel Beats was hilarious.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:53 No.37783988
    >>37783941
    Saw it with my own eyes. I was scrolling by and that was his ultimate justification for why people hated Angel Beats.

    I scrolled through the thread real quick and he's doing the same thing. He disregards people's opnions, OPINIONS I remind you, on why they dislike it. And then he proceeds to comment on how their OPINIONS on why they dislike the show are the result of some logical fallacy.

    It's quite irritating.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:53 No.37783989
    >>37783954
    How about you do it in another thread?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)06:54 No.37783996
    >>37783787

    >Stop hiding behind that "it's hated because popular or kyoanihurr" nonsense

    lol I'm not hiding behind anything. If you don't think popularity hasn't played a significant role in the hate of the show you are delusional. It does. That's simply how this works especially /a/. I have a mind for these things. I've watched them especially recently.

    >However, I can see why these sorts of things wouldn't cater to a certain group of people, REGARDLESS of whether it's "popular" or "produced by KyoAni." That's just it. It doesn't suit their taste.

    It's not about that. You even have fans of slice of life hating on K-ON and then acting as if their shows have more integrity using the same shitty arguments as these anti-moe haters against it. Azumanga Daioh, one of my favorite slice of life is put on a pedestal it doesn't deserve at least in comparison to other recent slice of life.

    I don't expect everyone to enjoy K-ON but I won't allow them to hate on it because of bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:54 No.37783997
    >>37783954

    The cannabis way is the only way to watch stuff like K-on
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:54 No.37783999
    >>37782251
    >"moe" has been around since the dawn of time. It's also not a genre, but a character attribute. Shows can't be moe, characters can be moe. And whether a character is moe or not depends a lot on the viewer's preferences.

    Don't get me started. Obviously you don't know anything about genres, first of all, most are marked by common features and characteristics, something you would find in the moe genre. Second, a genre can be based on almost any feature of the product, some genres are defined by the time period that they came out in (Baroque music for instance), others by their quality (classical literature), some by audience (hipster), some by atmosphere (goth) and so on etc. etc.

    Genres are classifications of content with similar features. They don't exist in nature, they're arbitrary and can be as specific or as inspecific as people like. There are no canonical genres since you can always imagine a culture that wouldn't have or organise it's art into those genres, and most genres are created by critics, i.e. single individuals, but find popular acceptance. Critics have no legislative power on the matter of genres, nor any divine creative potential, so anyone can create a genre classification, or more accurately, diagnose one, so moe is a valid genre.

    The question is whether it is a worthwhile distinction, Since it helps a lot of people on /a/ divide moe shows from others, and both people who like and dislike the genre use the term, I would say it is worthwhile.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:54 No.37784000
    >>37783906
    >More Dokuro-chan

    agreed. totally. But one thing is, I can't help but think of Disgaea characters, like Flonne, whenever I watch it..it's so odd...but it feels right in a way..
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:54 No.37784003
    >>37783594
    No one here is forbidding anyone from watching k-on retarded, learn to read.
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    >>37783872

    While I agree about Yotsuba, this thread was NEVER good.

    >Durhur I like Gankutsuou Berserk and Mushishi, how could a refined gentleman like me enjoy something as different as K-On, since, even though I enjoy it, it's crap? Derpderpderp.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:55 No.37784018
    >>37783996
    BAWWWWW i can't accept there's people who claim k-on is shit, BAWWWW such a masterpiece.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:55 No.37784030
    >>37784000

    I get a Disgaea feeling from Dokuro-Chan too, actually.

    I think the atmosphere and art are just reminiscent of it.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:56 No.37784047
    >>37783855
    My argument is based on the fact that the majority of all shows have always been about cute girls.

    What is your argument based on?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:56 No.37784054
    I think we can conclude this thread, whether we like K-ON or hate it (personally enjoy K-ON to the smallest details), that Yotsuba C is a fucking asshole and dirtying K-ON's image just by talking about it.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:56 No.37784060
    This thread proves how easy is to troll k-on fags.
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    >>37783989
    I love k-on too, so i'm ganna post it here
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:57 No.37784065
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    I found Yotsuba's MAL
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:57 No.37784073
    >>37783829
    All true enough. Most of the LS hate was due to how tripfags increased during its airing, anyway. But the board was split between liking and hating LS, so meh. GL only complicated things.

    Recalling 08... the buzzword moeshit didn't really surface until Toradora. Someone forced it, and trolls and haters took it and made it happened.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:57 No.37784080
    >>37783999
    Sorry bro but these guys are right
    >>37782251
    >>37783144
    and although you aren't wrong you also aren't relevant.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:58 No.37784087
    >>37784047
    >My argument is based on the fact that the majority of all shows have always been about cute girls.

    You forgot the "all shows I have watched"

    Also, moe =/= cute, stop being a retard.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:58 No.37784090
    >>37783996
    > If you don't think popularity hasn't played a significant role in the hate of the show you are delusional. It does

    If you can't disregard stupid kids that hate something beacuse it's popular, and you assume credibility in these words, you are a moron. It DID play a role on the hate, but it's insignificant. Get your shit straight.

    >I don't expect everyone to enjoy K-ON but I won't allow them to hate on it because of bullshit.

    You're talking about a subcategory of people that hate K-ON for bullshit reasons. There ARE people that hate K-ON for legit reasons. One of the reasons being tastes.

    Fuck off, Yotsuba. You're projecting your butthurt on that specific subcategory of people onto EVERYONE that dislikes K-ON.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:58 No.37784095
    >>37783988
    Woah, I just read your post, then read >>37783996, as well as some other posts of his, and haha it fits his posts really well.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:59 No.37784110
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    I love k-on and I love Studio 4℃

    But I hate Yotsuba℃'s bullshit.

    If you cant tell that he's reverse trolling, you are retarded.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:59 No.37784121
    >I think we can conclude this thread, whether we like K-ON or hate it (personally enjoy K-ON to the smallest details), that Yotsuba C is a fucking asshole and dirtying K-ON's image just by talking about it.

    this.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)06:59 No.37784123
    >>37784030
    Yes, Yes. the atmosphere and art do play a part, I must say.

    As lover of Disgaea, I enjoyed the anime made for it, but however, I found it very lacking. Truly disappointing lack of engaging fight scenes, and the trailer was pretty good too. So misleading with the whole scene with Baal and the fight with Vyers.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:00 No.37784135
    >>37783996
    You won't allow people to hate on K-ON because of bullshit? You won't ALLOW? The fuck?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:00 No.37784137
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:00 No.37784141
    >>37784095
    I told you, anon. Irritating, isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:00 No.37784145
    >>37783999
    >genres, first of all, most are marked by common features and characteristics
    Moe characters are a common in all of anime, K-ON is characterised as a slice-of-life/comedy show, which perfectly describes it.

    >something you would find in the moe genre.
    The "moe genre" doesn't exist. And no matter how often you and your uneducated newfag friends repeat it, it's not going to become more existent. We already have genres to describe said shows fittingly, we don't need another one. Especially not one based on a misunderstanding of the term "moe" and what said "moe shows" are about.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:00 No.37784149
    >>37784110
    What does studio 4c have to do with k-on?
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:00 No.37784151
    >>37784110

    Neo Yorkshire?

    The flat cap gives it away.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:01 No.37784157
    >>37784135
    Yeah, he won't allow it. That's why he's going to bitch and moan while falsely accusing people of logical fallacies.

    Flawless tactic, if you ask me.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:01 No.37784172
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    >>37784149
    Nothing.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)07:01 No.37784173
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    Haters hating in full force tonight. Calm down.

    >>37783999

    >He really wants to believe moe is a genre.

    IT IS NOT A GENRE no matter how large you make your post and it won't be allowed to be warped to be considered so. The word--within the Western anime fandom--should not be used in anyway except for how someone feels about a character. Any other way is vague, likely fallacious as a negative, and will only cause unnecessary confusion.

    Calling it a "genre" is just a way for you to try and lower the integrity of shows you deem fit. That's not what the word is for.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:02 No.37784187
    >>37783988
    So true. I saw him talking about the latest Harem show, Space and Wolf, or whatever its real name is, and someone had a negative opinion about the first episode.

    Yotsuba decided to argue by just saying "Except it was a very good first episode." no clarification, nothing relevant. Just a blatant refusal that someone else could have a different opinion. Not even addressing why the fag had his opinion. I don't even disagree Yotsuba there but the way he expressed it is just retarded in every way possible.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:02 No.37784190
    >moe
    >genre

    I miss the old /a/ elitist.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:02 No.37784200
    >>37782876
    >Yeah, it's not like characters like that haven't been around since forever.

    Oh wow, you know nothing about art! There have been atmospheric stuff forever too, but gothic stuff self-consciously manipulates and develops (that is, cultivates) atmospherics. Same with moe stuff, it's not about pretty girls, it's about cute ones, and it self-consciously pursues their cuteness, just like the romance genre pursues romance and erotica pursues being erotic. You say moe is a feeling and differs between people, so does romance, so does what we find erotic, it doesn't mean something isn't porn or isn't a romance. You lose sir.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:02 No.37784206
    >>37784173
    >Haters hating in full force tonight. Calm down.

    It's quite evident that we won't calm down, and the only way for us to calm down is for you to leave for good.

    Or is that too hard to comprehend, because we're all logically incapable of thinking such things?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:03 No.37784209
    >>37784145
    >The "moe genre" doesn't exist

    You can't be so literal.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:03 No.37784212
    >>37784173
    Don't say that, now what I've been trying to say to everybody will be regarded as bullshit just because you've said it.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:03 No.37784219
    >>37784054
    >>37784054
    >>37784054
    Just this.

    Though I personally find K-ON is not for me, it's is an anime for people who have tastes that differ from mine. It's the people like the tripfag in this thread who generate a lot of hate for it. Kind of like how Narutards generate hate for Naruto in part because of their stupidity.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:04 No.37784222
    >>37784110
    >>37784137
    >>37784150
    >>37784172
    yes, we've all seen this book
    why are you posting it
    what does it have to do with anything
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:04 No.37784229
    >>37784173
    >He really wants to believe Science Fiction is a genre

    IT IS NOT A GENRE no matter how large you make your post and it won't be allowed to be warped to be considered so. The word--within the Western literature fandom--should not be used in anyway except for how settings are developed. Any other way is vague, likely fallacious as a negative, and will only cause unnecessary confusion.

    Calling it a "genre" is just a way for you to try and lower the integrity of shows you deem fit. That's not what the word is for.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:05 No.37784245
    >>37784187
    Yeah. If anyone on /a/ deserves a ban, it's Yotsuba C.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:05 No.37784249
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    Personally, I find bad writing more of a anime killer than any "moe show" could be, unless it's just poorly written.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:05 No.37784251
    >>37784173
    >Haters hating in full force tonight
    >tonight

    Oh, on wonder you're so stupid, hi there americancunt.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:06 No.37784253
    >>37784209

    its not, because if its true, Yangire anime will be a genre for higurashi.
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    >>37784222
    >yes, we've all seen this book

    Never know /a/ knows anything outside mainstream shit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:06 No.37784258
    >>37784229
    How you feel about a character and the setting are two very different things bro.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:06 No.37784264
    >>37784087
    >You forgot the "all shows I have watched"
    No, the majority of all shows.

    There is nothing to disagree here. Since I started watching anime, which was in the late 90s, the majority of it has been about cute girls, and those were the main selling point.

    >Also, moe =/= cute, stop being a retard.
    In most cases it is. Can a character be moe and not cute?
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:06 No.37784266
    >>37784245
    I remember when we all got banned because the mod's bots screwed up. We, his haters simultaneously posted our disappointment at his unbanning.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:07 No.37784279
    >>37784249
    The thing is, "moe" and bad writing are usually tied.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:07 No.37784281
    >>37784251

    It's early in the morning, here in the States.

    He's obviously a retard residing in Australia.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:08 No.37784292
    >>37784266
    I was one of those people.

    Goddamn, why couldn't that happen?
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:08 No.37784301
    >>37784200
    Are you sure you replied to the right post? I don't see what your reply has to do with anything.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:09 No.37784307
    >>37784264
    >In most cases it is. Can a character be moe and not cute?

    Yes.
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    >>37784264

    >Can a character be moe and not cute?

    yes.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:09 No.37784323
    >>37784253
    Yangire is a lot less common than moe.

    And yes, how common an element, theme, trope, emotion is is the ONLY basis for it becoming a genre. There is very clearly a large enough but not all encompassing movement in the anime industry where shows are made to elicit the moe reaction in a very specific way; using young girls and putting them in a setting for them to do cute things.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:09 No.37784327
    Yotsuba C, stop posting now and carefully read over what everyone is saying about you.

    Reflect, then come back.
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)07:10 No.37784330
    >>37784135

    >If you can't disregard stupid kids that hate something beacuse it's popular, and you assume credibility in these words, you are a moron. It DID play a role on the hate, but it's insignificant. Get your shit straight.

    It IS significant. Would K-ON draw hate as much if it were just at mid-tier popularity as Hidamari Sketch or Aria? No, it wouldn't. It is not just popular. It's super popular and that garners trolls especially the Naruto fans, the nostalgifags who want all anime to be violent and DEEP. The same thing happened with Lucky Star and other big shows but it's the worst for slice of life with cute girls post Azumanga Daioh.

    >You're talking about a subcategory of people that hate K-ON for bullshit reasons. There ARE people that hate K-ON for legit reasons. One of the reasons being tastes.

    Except that I have and respect that. I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about the majority--the haters who troll K-ON in general. Not just on /a/--and I do think /a/ itself has been significant in how it has spread across the anime fandom--but on sites like ANN. ANN is actually one of the main culprits of this "anti-moe" and incorrect usage of it bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:10 No.37784331
    >>37784279
    And how is that?
    You're going to have to back that up with more than OPINIONS
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:10 No.37784332
    >>37783743
    >>37783403

    >the best poster in this entire thread
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    >>37783743
    Participating in this thread with glee. Catching up on some manga (HnG, NEEDLESS, Sora no Otoshimono, Umineko, etc) Just finished catching with all the latest shows out so far, except for Nurarihyon no Mago 2, which I'm about to go watch soon. Also, looping Mahotsukai no Yoru's theme because addicted: http://www.typemoon.com/products/mahoyo/index.html
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:11 No.37784360
    >>37784145
    >K-ON is characterised as a slice-of-life/comedy show, which perfectly describes it.
    I don't disagree with that, it is a slice-of-life and a comedy series, it's also a moe series. Genres and subgenres.

    >The "moe genre" doesn't exist. And no matter how often you and your uneducated newfag friends repeat it, it's not going to become more existent
    Not atomistically, no. Nothing is added to the ontology of the world by designating something part of the moe genre, but nor is anything added by calling K-on a slice of life. They're distinctions made based on content, again, it's a matter of whether they are worthwhile distinctions. You can't deny that there is a commonality between K-on and certain other similar series, and that's all I'm pointing out. I'm designating it a subgenre because there genres are simply classifacatory prescriptions - that being the case, you can't deny me the ability to classify, all you can do is argue that my classifications are more or less useful, but there seems to be a use for this distinction.

    >Especially not one based on a misunderstanding of the term "moe" and what said "moe shows" are about.
    I answered that in another post, moe is a feeling, just like romance, the moe genre tries to manipulate it, it doesn't matter if it fails, as long as it tries, and that is a prevaling characteristic and aim of the series, there can be no real complaint, since it is exactly analogous to the romance genre.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:11 No.37784361
    >>37784279
    The plot in K-ON mostly serves functional purposes, i.e. to set up the premise for the next comedic character interaction. And it does it fairly well. While not ambitious, K-ON is well written.

    Compare it with a show like Code Geass for example, which is much more ambitious, but very badly written.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:12 No.37784364
    >>37784330
    >Not just on /a/--and I do think /a/ itself has been significant in how it has spread across the anime fandom--but on sites like ANN. ANN is actually one of the main culprits of this "anti-moe" and incorrect usage of it bullshit.

    SEE:

    >>If you can't disregard stupid kids that hate something beacuse it's popular, and you assume credibility in these words, you are a moron. It DID play a role on the hate, but it's insignificant. Get your shit straight.

    Why are you taking ANN seriously, you retard?
    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)07:12 No.37784365
    >>37784135

    When I say that I mean I won't back down. It is annoying to see things go down like this. History is being distorted. I think about how in 5 or 10 years when I'm still sitting on my ass discussing anime, what will be "the truth" of the time regarding the past.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:12 No.37784374
    >>37784307
    You forgot to provide an example.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:12 No.37784383
    >>37784323

    >Yangire is a lot less common than moe.

    both are the same thing for characterization, but do you know what moe different?

    Not everyone thinks the same thing can be moe.
    but everyone can agreed that a person can be a Yan/tsun/kuu/etc dere because that what make the character.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:14 No.37784423
    >>37784331
    When a show contains moe, they regularly use it as the main factor, ie girls falling down clumsly, crying easily over the stupidest thing, normally behaving like little girls even whey they're already in high school, etc.

    As they focus on this, they kinda of disconnect the importance of others factors like character development or an engaging plot, because they're too busy making the girls looking like complete moeblobs to appeal to otaku.


    An anime that contains moe and is actually well written, i would say kodomo no jikan fits the description well enough.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:14 No.37784426
    >>37783941
    You are totally right, he is hilarious. I'll stay in this thread for a bit.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:15 No.37784431
    >>37784374
    Kaiji. When watching Kaiji you should have an emotional reaction to his screwups, because his character is developed to the degree where you can empathize with him, and have an urge to protect him.

    However there is nothing about him that is cute.
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:15 No.37784448
    >>37784360
    A genre needs to be definitive.

    What defines a "moe show"? Moe characters being present? People have different ideas about what makes characters "moe", and even if you go by the most common standards, you end up with a huge genre, filled with fundamentally different shows.

    K-ON might be part of it, but also the average Key show, perhaps even Toradora because all of its female characters have moe characteristics.

    "Moe" as a genre, doesn't make sense.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:16 No.37784452
    >>37784365

    Okay, I'm neutral on K-ON, but your posts are doing nothing but making me hate it even more.

    Oh, right, you will want a reason why, otherwise you will accuse my post of having fallacies. It all goes down to the fact that when I feel like discussing something, I can't actually join any without an extremist like you popping up and ruining everything (see: shitty fanbase). This alone isn't enough to shake my view on a show, of course. But when you provide false hype on how the possibility of hating a show is based on how stupid people are, it's natural for most people to start disliking the show.

    You blame bullshit for why people hate this show, Yotsuba. The truth is, you're one of few reasons why people like me hate this show. Please stop posting forever so I can enjoy K-ON the way I want to.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:16 No.37784455
    >>37784333
    >MOTHERFUCKING NEEDLESS

    Man, the amount of brofist needed here in just off the scale.

    Also, Umineko. I want to try it just for the sheer quality that seems to be apparent in the animation. But truly, is there more than meets the eye to this series? Inb4 "slowpoke who has never watched Umineko".
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:16 No.37784458
    >>37784301
    Simple, person I replied to says moe has been around forever, I say so has atmosphere, doesn't mean everything with atmosphere is gothic or that there can't be a gothic genre, equally, not everything with moe is moe genre, doesn't mean moe genre can't exist either.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:17 No.37784468
    >>37784374
    Hei from darker than black, caska from berserk, yuria from hnk, mirllena from escaflowne, etc.
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    >>37784423
    >well written
    >kodomo no jikan
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:17 No.37784478
    >>37784323
    >Yangire is a lot less common than moe.
    >implying yangire characters couldn't be moe
    >implying characters being yangire wasn't moe to some
    Jesus christ, Anon...
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    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:19 No.37784525
    >>37784448

    this is a dilemma for me.
    People who hates show like K-on and calling moeshit show while I can't find the any of the characters itself moe to me.

    I mean, how can they see it as a moeshit? where's the moe?
    do the haters find a moe in it that I don't find? how an they find it moe if they don't like it?

    am I the missing something in here?
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    >> Yotsuba℃ !!FAAIIaDFYSX 07/14/10(Wed)07:20 No.37784539
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    >>37784364

    >Why are you taking ANN seriously, you retard?

    Because ANN is a significant influence on the anime fandom and have been since the turn of the century. The things they say are important. It is happening with Sankaku now of late too, sadly.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:20 No.37784545
    >>37784330
    >It's super popular and that garners trolls especially the Naruto fans, the nostalgifags who want all anime to be violent and DEEP. The same thing happened with Lucky Star and other big shows but it's the worst for slice of life with cute girls post Azumanga Daioh.

    I can taste your tears already.
    >> Anonymous 07/14/10(Wed)07:20 No.37784546
    >>37784468
    >Hei from darker than black
    Not moe.

    >caska from berserk
    At times moe and cute.

    >yuria from hnk
    I never found her moe at all.



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