oooooooooooooooooooold

Good.

That shit ruined /a/, it'll be a fucking blessing to see it gone.

I cries like little bitch

On the one hand, I'd rather the companies embrace better distribution methods. On the other hand, I don't mind receding to scanlator websites and IRC channels to filter out some of the trash,

If they didn't want me to pirate manga then they should have released the ones I read in english.

>The Digital Comic Association, a Japanese publisher group supposedly formed to promote digital sales but fast turning into the manga equivalent of the RIAA

Naively indeed, first of all, Why are they blaming manga "piracy" sites for this shit when the main reason as to why they're sales are failing is because they're slow?

Average manga fan logic is simply like this:
>Why would i want to buy the latest volume of one piece when they're 6 months late

>>36923208
>>Why would i want to buy the latest volume of one piece when they're 6 months late
Well I'd be pissy to have a 6 month wait to get my one piece chapter but I do buy the volumes. I get couple a month... I only have 12 more volumes till I'm caught up with viz. Then I play the waiting game.

>>36923208

Because when your company sucks shit for failing in any aspect why not blame piracy? I mean every other industry does like movie, music, ect.

Publishers only see "Sales are bad.Must do SOMETHING about it to please Shareholders."

Then, like the videogame industry, they go into a crusade that costs them even more money and resources- which they wont recoup, to try to shut down what is effectively impossible to shut down.

If anything, it'll become harder to get manga by the traditional places like onemanga.

No more online reading faggotry.

>>36923059
I have about 400 (I am not kidding) different manga series that I am waiting for new chapters to get translated. Sometimes some groups drop them and other groups pick them up. There is no way I can keep up with them unless I can get them from one site.

>>36923349
>I do buy the volumes

cancer

get out

>>36923516
>cancer
go back to /b/

>>36923407
Well, isn't it supposed to be the same thing for Nebraska?

>Hurr durr White people can't get a job, anymore, FUCKING MEXICANS.
>hurr durr America is going through a recession, there wouldn't have been a recession if Mexicans put their money back to the economy instead of sending 90% of it to MEXICO.

I'm fine with the US, great people and great country, i just don't like the fact that they don't want to blame themselves for shit they've caused.

This can only end favourably.

>>36923208
Six months? They just got finished the Shabody arc. They're at least a year if not two behind the current content. How the hell can they expect people who ARE caught up to want to wait for their paperbacks. I really hope this bites them in the ass. I have way too many censored, poorly translated, and never finished series sitting on my shelves to want to deal with their terrible business model these days. If they put out a cheap digital "Jump" or eBook graphic novels, I'd be happy to subscribe/buy, but as it is they're digging their own grave going the RIAA route and suing the shit out of everyone.

>>36923563
I blame oversensitive soccer moms ruining the childhood of their devil spawns.

>>36923563

What am I supposed to respond with something about America being superior? Hurrr durrrr Americancer vs. Eurofag trolls vs. troll time

>blame piracy for loss of sales
>spend money combating piracy, taking money out of licensing manga to publish, and the like
>blame piracy for further loss of sales


Seen this shit before.

>>36923624
Yeah I think 54 just recently came out. 55 isn't due till October. Thats what? A year behind japan?

>>36922099
Companies need to start focusing on translating VN's and Light Novels. Fans have pretty much got a stranglehold on manga and anime because it's so easy to do, and while you'd think an official company could outdo them, history has shown that isn't happening anytime soon. Hence, focus on things that are difficult for fans to do and release at reasonable prices at a fast pace.

> everyone just goes back to IRC and downloading manga instead of reading it online
> still going to get Steel Ball Run chapters
> THE FUCK D4C MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE MY BRAINED WAS DUWANGED

>>36923700
Thats not counting the difference in jump releases.

You know what they need to do?

Come together to make a fucking iTunes for manga. Post chapters for a dollar translated, high quality, and everything. They need to fucking embrace online.

>>36923650
On what part of my post did i insinuate that America is better than Europe?

>>36923624
Exactly

>>36923730
Despite being a good idea, Publishers will always attempt to for the one that's mainstream, so unless if it's TMoHS, I doubt people would jump in that business.

Yen Press does try to try out the alternatives though(wherein they actually stick to taboo titles such as Sundome) and they licensed the S&W novel, so if there's going to be a company that's going to dive first to that field, it's them.

>>36923817
can't unhear

>>36923817
Seriously, iTunes has sold 10 BILLION SONGS with that model. Sure, the manga market is on a much smaller scale, but the numbers don't like. Price aggressively and aim for bulk sales with low distribution cost. Steve Jobs may be a dick, but the guy knows how to make money.

>>36923917
Seriously man. I'd pay a dollar for high quality Vagabond chapters released a couple days after Japan or something. A shit ton of people would pay for fucking One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach.

It's only a dollar a week. Fucking elementary kids can afford that.

They will never do anything online BECAUSE IT IS THE DEVILS PIRATES RUIN TEH ONLINES

Piratefags aren't going to buy anything, so they're losing profit either way. What's the point of wasting even more money on something that we all know will be dropped in less than a year anyway?

>>36924088

As stated here already they waste money trying to prevent people who aren't going to buy it anyways when they could cut production costs going paperless by using online sales methods. Someone dropping it is a moot point when they can't even get the shit in the first place to make any profit.

>>36924088
>Piratefags aren't going to buy anything
>implying I don't buy translated tanks of manga I like when I find them.
>implying I wouldn't buy shit like Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer if Viz translated it.

>>36924088
The people who weren't going to buy anything regardless are not a loss of profit. That's one of the fundamental flaws in their crusade. iTunes has shown that when you make content available cheaply, easily, and in high quality, people WILL purchase it.

I would happily drop $20 a week on all my favorite series if they showed up automatically via a subscription ready to read rather than going out and hunting through the various scan sites to see who's gotten a translation of One Piece up, and is it a shitty one or a decent one... If it's a monthly series and fell off the updates list most of the sites have, I might not remember to look for it for weeks if I didn't go to the site that day and see it. Like Prunus Girl for example. People in the other thread are asking if any more have been translated yet, and it seems they're stuck at 12. Do you not think a fan wouldn't drop $1 to get the next chapter RIGHT NOW if it was up on iTunes for download?

>>36924379
>Do you not think a fan wouldn't drop $1 to get the next chapter RIGHT NOW if it was up on iTunes for download?
I wouldn't, I'd wait until someone bought it and made it available for free (like what happens with every song in existence atm).

Dear Publishers, hire translators, sell online for a reasonable price, something comparable to the prices in Japan (250 yen/~$3 for WSJ).

>>36924491
And you're one of the people who wouldn't buy anyway that they think for whatever reason is a loss of a sale.

>>36924491
>>36924379
>>36924305
the point is not everyone is going to the new model, but you're still going to get more people this way.

>>36924491

That's great I'm sure for every person like you there's a thousand of others who will actually buy it being readily available so they don't have to worry about yourself.

>manga comes out in japan
>hox translates it in 2 hours
>publishers translates it in 2 years

The publishers should be thanking God for the free publicity these sites give their product. How the hell do they think manga developed any fanbase outside of Japan anyway? Internet piracy, baby!

>>36924505
I forgot to mention one more thing.

Leave the people who pirate alone, you can't stop them. Leave the existing stuff alone, you'll see less scanlators.

>>36924491
Yeah, just like how you leech off your parent's salary for all the things you're currently using right now?

If they'd make it something similar to iTunes, Piracy in the US would greatly lower since it basically means that manga chapters are available and affordable for everyone.

The reason as to why they still stick to papers is quite simple, they get MORE out of it, considering the fact that it's only going to cost $4 if they're going to sell it online. By sticking to selling manga volumes, they get more by factoring the printing cost(which is unnecessary) and the shipping. They will have to pay none of that if it's set up online.

Piracy will SUCCEED because they don't know when to lay that greed down, and no matter how many law suits they will do, Piracy will still live. Seriously, studios did the same thing with the pirate bay and it's stronger than ever now.

>>36924864
whoa there, no need to get your panties in a bunch. he asked a question, i truthfully responded.
>do you not think a fan would...?
>i am a fan, and I would not

>>36924305
>post talks about hard core pirates that don't buy anything, regardless
>refute the post by proving without doubt that you are infact not in that group

THANKS FOR THE INPUT

>>36924864
A volume is what? $8 for 7-10 chapters depending on the manga? Thats about $1 per chapter. If they go the online rout not only will they be selling their chapter without printing costs but then they'd also get revenue from ads and whatnot. Manga that sells well online they can then print out into volumes as they come out in japan and that way they know what should sell well and what won't. They are extremely butthurt about the internet not to go this route imo.

The anime/manga companies need to start living in the real world, not their happy fantasyland where the internet doesn't exist except for their company websites. Piracy isn't going to stop. They have to find ways to make money in spite of it or they can whine themselves out of existence. Doesn't matter to me.

>>36925038
And if they went this route, they could actually offer all the people who bought the chapters in the first place a discount down to the price Japan pays for the GNs since they made almost the same amount if not more money already from the digital versions. Not that they'd go that route though, they'd probably push for the greedy $8-12 a book approach and enjoy the same limited sales they do now on the physical media.

>>36924964
Because the reason is simply because you don't buy shit, when i said fan, I'm not talking about people like you.

Also, go get a job

Doesn't bother me, I download all my anime and manga from torrents and IRC. They can try all the anti piracy measures they want, but every group they shut down will get replaced pretty much instantly.

I'd totally buy manga on an itunes type deal as long as it was reasonably priced and kept current with the manga as it's released in japan. The problem with licensing is that none of the manga I'm keeping track of are licensed in the first place, and even licensed manga is way behind what's actually being released in japan.

If they could get their selection on sites in english promptly, I'd be signed up for that shit tomorrow.

lol they're losing theoretical money because I don't buy anything, especially not those creepy wall posters, body pillows, figurines, bedsheets, and sex toys.

>US manga publishers

This bullshit what makes me rage

Why should US publishers decide on whether the world gets to enjoy what manga they should read.

Last time I check, no American publisher is translating Kamen Rider Spirits or Billy Bat

>>36925469
All I ever do buy is the merch, don't need no translators or licences to import a wall chart or fig.

>>36925469

Because these totally need to be translated and take months, years, to be produced AMIRITE?

>>36925564
Billy Bat is likely not being released until 20th Century boys is fully released as per the authors request. He's previously requested that publication of the US edition of 20CB be held off until Monster was completely released due to his changes in art stle over time. The same reason is likely to apply to Billy Bat.

>>36923817
Japanese... Embracing online? Fuck no. Look at how long it took them to stream anime, and even still they're reluctant.

Plus, the second manga goes online at that level, the major publications lose a lot of their control over the market. Suddenly you don't need to go through Shounen Jump to get your manga out to the public.

>suing the small group of fans you do have and not putting in the effort to fix the major problems with the system

Makes perfect sense.

>>36925760
manga online means no paper sales. that would hurt the paper industry. and the paper industry is pretty shit regarding profits anyway. manga magazines are being printed on paper worse than TP that costs barely anything.

>Tokyopop
>Guardian Hearts Volume 1
>Added 07.08.2008
>Guardian Hearts Volume 2
>Added 07.01.2009
That's GREAT, I'll die and get buried before they release all 8 volumes.

Those idiots should just admit that they can't provide the stuff we want.

Onemanga and MangaFox are definitely gone.

>>36925564
Because all the webs they are targeting are in the US, also Berne convention, it's a GLOBAL effort to respect copyright.

The manga bubble has burst. The 15 year olds that were buying it like crazy 5 years ago have moved on. Sales will probably never reach that level again. Manga is a niche of a niche in the US, but the publishers are apparently too stupid to realize it.

>>36925564
>Kamen Rider Spirits

Because Decade.

SOMEBODY FUCKING SEND THESE PUBLISHERS AN E-MAIL TELLING THEM TO MAKE A FUCKING CRUNCHYROLL VERSION OF THIS SHIT

Nobody is ever going to bring over Nana to Kaoru, My Lovely Ghost Kana, or 51 Ways To Protect Your Lover, so fuck the US publishers. I do buy a fair bit of manga, but only a small fraction of what gets put out here - since 95% of it is shonen battlan' trash.

>>36925934

No, manga is more popular than ever.

You just have a generation being raised on the online culture which has changed everything.

>>36926087

This. Nobody want to wait months or years for official releases if you can get scanlations in days.

>>36925787
yaoi is not even sold where i live. i want an international manga crunchyroll. they think only people in the US and japan read manga??

>>36926087
Manga is not very popular in general US society, it's popular in internet nerd circles. These people think they are going to sell on the level of mainstream books and that is never going to happen.

>>36926017
iTunes version, yes
crunchyroll? Fuck no.

Crunchyroll used to advocate that they'd never charge anyone who wants to watch anime in their site, next thing you know, they're offering a premium membership for something that can come free.

Also, streaming. I hated the fact that one member in their ranks is a total hypocrite, and yes, I'm talking about DomFortress.

>>36926235
precisely why they should get an ad-supported free legal manga site. look at how much mangafox is making. atleast $1000 a day. that's like selling 100 tanks in a day. i bet the whole of america doesn't see that amount.

Nippons are too proud for admitting any flaws or problems. What amazes me is this problem with getting things from over seas exists with video games too and they can't fucking seem to just get their shit together. If some stupid small time nobody who draws /h/ work can put their shitty porn online and make tons of money why the fuck can't a big corporation do the same? Nobody should feel sorry for the paper industry because in this day and age being more "green" seems to be a better image for your company.

>baka-updates
>dailymanga
I'll fucking rage if any of these two goes down.

>>36926253
i hope you don;t mean actual Apple. They are very afraid of sexual content. so expect only the fluff to pass through their filters.

if apple were a bookstore, what they censor is akin to borders taking a black marker and canceling out a sex scene in a book.

>>36926274
>look at how much mangafox is making. atleast $1000 a day.

Source for this? I know they make a lot, but i want a solid source for this claim.

>>36926305
funny thing is, they have japanese sites where you can buy online versions of some manga for $3. except they selfdestruct after 180 days. or that publisher that put up old volumes for the same price as a goddamn dead tree version.

>>36926235

The point here is that it's gotten much more popular than it was 15 years ago, thanks to the internet, and it's still popularity is still growing yet that hasn't been translating to increase in sales. There's actually been a decrease the last few years. Manga is more popular than comics. Much more when it comes young adults and lower, yet comics are still outselling manga.

There is a problem here for them but it isn't popularity.

Something is never going to be popular if it's not widely available.....

>>36926342
i read it on their forum one day but after digging i found some projection website -

http://www.comjuice.com/mangafox.com is valued at USD 1.3 Million

http://www.comjuice.com/onemanga.com is valued at USD 5.5 Million

http://www.comjuice.com/mangatoshokan.com - $735.1K USD

here's something more worrying - http://manga.about.com/b/2010/06/23/are-scanlation-sites-playing-hide-and-seek-with-manga-publishers
.htm

>>36926445
Manga is more popular than comics? What basis do you have for this statement? Just because YOU like it more doesn't mean everyone does. Anime/manga fandom is actually very small compared to just about any other form of entertainment in the US.

I buy things I really like, like Yoshihiro Tatsumi's stuff. Too bad most Anons don't buy things they like.

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>>36926445
>There's actually been a decrease the last few years.
It's called fucking global recession.

Even comics started selling less because it ALSO had a fucking buying boom decades ago.

>>36926578
>here's something more worrying - http://manga.about.com/b/2010/06/23/are-scanlation-sites-playing-hide-and-seek-with-manga-publishers
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2 years too old, You can do the same thing with Berserk on mangafox. Regardless, comjuice isn't that reliable.

4chan is worth 5.2 million? Not a truly accurate basis.

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>>36926757
can't get yaoi in most parts of asia. we don;t all live in US.

>>36926796
the publishers want to keep their head in the ground when the whole world is losing jobs. we still buy manga and anime even if we can't splurge on expensive shit like clothes or candle-lit dinners.

>>36926757

I do, I bought 4 volumes of Cyborg 009 and Ashita no Joe recently, shit's glorious.

>>36926677

lolno. The comic book fandom is smaller and is declining. The closest anyone under 20 nowadays is gets to comic books are cartoons, video games, and movies based on them.

Manga is big with kids and it's still expanding in popularity. It also has a huge female fanbase which comics don't.

>>36926812
estimates based off of alexa ratings most likely. and any way, let them have fun trying to go after NOEZ a chinese company. even apple hasn't gone after the aPad makers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YgVFWNh078 - and the knockoff has better features than the actual iPad it ripped off from.

>>36923208
>Naively indeed, first of all, Why are they blaming manga "piracy" sites for this shit when the main reason as to why they're sales are failing is because they're slow?
>Average manga fan logic is simply like this:
>"Why would i want to buy the latest volume of one piece when they're 6 months late"

Or alternatively, "why would I buy the latest volume of SZS when it's not appreciably better than the amateur version?"

I'm willing to pay for translation quality, or speed. At the moment, very few manga publishers offer either. If unpaid amateurs do a better job than you, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO GET PAID.

>>36926796
>It's called fucking global recession.

This, many used to think that videogames were recession-proof, millions even thought that the medical field was recession proof as well, but when the recession finally came, it broke out all those myths.

the anime may seem immune to this(after all, it's the closest thing to an otaku as to having a life) but manga in the west isn't. Recession will actually promote piracy, since why would you want to buy something for $10 when it's equal to 10 burgers that could cover you for three days?

If each chapter was only worth $1-3 and sold over the Internet, their businesses might stand a chance, seriously, look at how many people are willing to pay Sahadu for just translating something that's often untouched by a lot of scanlators?

>SHITKAKU

>>36927108
wait till the shills over at anime news network get wind of this.

My favorite part is where I live (on an island) the only place that DID sell manga, a borders shop that closed down. Sold it for anywhere from 15-20$ and only stocked either shoujo shit or shounen, nothing of value other then mainstream shit or some off color of the shoujo stuff. Ya fuck that noise, I will continue to pirate until they make cheap anime and actually release series I enjoy.

>>36927029
but i kind of think - if people are pirating the latest chapters of a manga but don;t buy existing volumes, they really do hurt the publishers.

licensing is not that cheap. but the manga volumes can be a lot cheaper though. i wait for sales and 30% off at bookstores during the end of the year and buy 10 to 20 tanks at a go - i like the feel of the book in my hands. but i still get a lot of media in the mean time as well.

>>36927339
can you buy shit online? most of the manga sold in my country is shojo/shonen shite as well - viz, tokyopop.

>>36927375
>but i kind of think - if people are pirating the latest chapters of a manga but don;t buy existing volumes, they really do hurt the publishers.

No. The publishers hurt themselves by making that the best course of action to those people.

The masses will do what they think is the best for them, and they cannot be expected to do otherwise. The publishers cannot offer a bad deal and then bitch when they get no sales, as if holding exclusive legal rights meant they didn't have to consider any competition.

I dunno ........ I read scans yes, but I also buy manga and only manga that I know are worth buying. I wont browse every single title in the bookstore to find which one I enjoy and the bookstore dont have to keep wrap/unwrap the manga each time someone want to check a title out.

>>36922099
I wonder how they feel about public library's

>>36927029

That's what I don't get people paying...wait my bad "donating" for translations and then other saying nobody will fork out cash for stuff? What kind of crack are you smoking there's a sucker born every minute and people pay $30-100+ for a shitty commission from some hack job artist on DA.

>>36928402

Or Barnes and Nobles where you can just casually walk in and read anything enjoying yourself on some fine furniture with wifi to get your pirated translated scans.