Oooh boy, here we go!

Birdy
Dead Leaves, FLCL, TTGL (all same director)

All my favorite shows have great animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzX_GJB2oMQ

Also, K-ON sakuga.

The story is light and gay moeblobs but the animation's consistently innovative and original

western animation is far far superior in animation quality

wanna make an anime?

all you need is mouth flaps and key frames

Japan does make beautiful art Ill give them that

art =/= animation

>Japan has some of the best and most original animators working in hand drawn animation

I lol'd

Who else found Birdy's animation wierd? It was fantastic for the most part, but in season 2, shit became QUALITY during some of the faster scenes. The details were completely gone, leaving a blob of colors. The style changed to Kemonozume for a few seconds at a time, and then right back to normal.

>>36703943

No but bro...studios...monies budget moneyies...stoidues and their money becaue Japan doesnt haveAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>36703893
>animation
>innovative and original
DERP

Shinya Ohira is pretty good. He has an interesting style, but depending on the context of his animation, it usually looks TOO distorted.

Much better is Tetsuya Nishio or my personal favourite, Hideki Himasu. I don't think anyone can capture natural movement of people and animals as well as Hideki Himasu can. And his scene from Ghost in the Shell, where Motoko tries to rip open the tank hatch, is amazing!

>>36703943
>>36703955

Why do people on /ɐ/ know FUCK ALL about animation?

>>36703943
Obvious troll, for those who don't know, it's a copypasta from some spongebob loving furry.

if it's so good why are Oshii and even Ghibli so down on the supply of good animators left?

go read the interview between oshii and the guy who did Ponyo; youll see how bad a shape the hand drawn animation market really is.

>>36704006
YES! I heard stories about him going into severe solitary sessions whilst he animated that

>>36704013

I was once a freelance animator

>>36703974

Birdy season 2 featured some really great animators and had some superb scenes of animation. On the other hand, there were a couple of episodes where they screwed up big time. I don't know the story behind it, but it was a scheduling problem - they literally ran out of time to finish the episodes properly. There was one scene in particular where the animation/art was worse than storyboard level! These issues were largely fixed for DVD, I believe. Still, Birdy was very ambitious in a lot of ways, and often it produced some great stuff.

>>36703846
>implying Imaishi directed FLCL

>>36704048

I dont care who your furry is

japanese animation has been done far lazier than that of western animation

>>36704049

The problem is that there are perhaps too many animators who care only about cool looking flashy shit and not enough that care about creating good overall works.

I think Oshii and Miyazaki hit the balance well. Ponyo was stunning, what he got from his animators. And all he really told them was 'we're going to use more drawings. Other than that just have fun and animate!'

Hosoda's another director who has good animators under his belt. But seeing how animation is a job that requires you to move around a lot anyway, you see names popping up all over the place.

imb4 SHAFT

>GOOD ANIMATION
>Japan

>>36704078
>>36703955
>>36703943

Can I just take this opportunity to point out that faggots who spurt out that mantra 'Western animation has better framerate' are fucking stupid. If you compare the average, mediocre anime series, then yes, it's probably true (and that's where the art/detail vs motion comes in), but there are anime out there with animation that shits all over basically Western animation. If anyoen thinks for one moment that Japan doesn't have god-tier animators then you're totally wrong.

>>36704078

what is it like? I'm an overexcited young'un with that as a dream

>>36704189
>too many animators who care only about cool looking flashy shit and not enough that care about creating good overall works
well put. this is also the case with the viewers

Any anime series made completely in stop-motion?

>>36704209

EYEM THE SHITTIEST

>>36704270
slave work for slave wages

* Astro Boy (Tezuka Production, 2003-2004)
* Blue Comet SPT Layzner (Sunrise, 1985-1986)
* Casshern Sins (Madhouse, 2008-2009)
* Cowboy Bebop (Sunrise, 1998)
* Eureka Seven (Bones, 2005-2006)
* Gaiking Legend of Daiku-Maryu (Toei Animation, 2005-2006)
* Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG (Production I.G., 2004-2005)
* Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (Production I.G., 2002-2003)
* Machine Robo: Revenge of Chronos (Ashi Production, 1986-1987)
* Magic Knight Rayearth (Tokyo Movie, 1994-1995)
* Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi (Madhouse, 2002)
* Medabots (Bee Train, 1999-2000)
* Neo Ranga (Studio Pierrot, 1998-1999)
* Neon Genesis Evangelion (Tatsunoko Pro, Gainax, 1995-1996)
* Rahxephon (Bones, 2002)
* Red Photon Zillion (Tatsunoko Pro, 1987)
* Space Battleship Yamato (Office Academy, 1974-1975)
* Space Cobra (Tokyo Movie Shinsha, 1982-1983)
* Space Pirate Captain Herlock (Madhouse, 2003)
* Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Gainax, 2007)
* The Vision of Escaflowne (Sunrise, 1996)
* Xam’d: Lost Memories (Bones, 2008-2009)

>>36704270

its fun for a while

but if your not going to stick with anybody then they arent going to have you doing anything special

>>36703779
>Japan
>good animation

The ultimate fingers-in-ears covered-eyes 'boo-itude.

>>36704345

But if you really care about it, that's just the first rungs of the ladder right? I hear the stories about sleeping under desks and living off noodles or bread but I guess that crunch time is what toughens you up.

>>36704454
Or in your case; The ultimate misunderstanding of what makes good animation. All you need is high framerate, AM I RITE?

>>36704631

Even if you just look at framerate (as these morons do), Japan still has great animation with awesome framerate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFzdoAj6vk

BAAADY

Also, how was this made? Looks like photoshop, but animating in photoshop is such a fucking pain I can't imagine Yamashita animating in PS, maybe just for cleanup. Trying to find a decent program to animate on the computer with but most of them suck balls.

>>36704631

I bet you're serious.

Why hello there.

I've seen Mitsuo Iso do things on 3s that half the guys at Disney wouldn't dream of. For creativity, Japan leads.

/a/ is too full of newfags to have a decent conversation about animators or sakuga anime. This thread has opened my eyes: /ɐ/ actually does suck now.

Half of each show is comprised of holding the same still image for 20 seconds every few minutes? Side profiles of human faces indistinguishable from dogs? tl;dr tl;drtl;drtl;dr? High quality.

>>36704756
Again ART=/=ANIMATION. THAT THING HAS LIKE 5 FRAMES PER SECOND, SURE IT HAS NICE ART, BUT ANIMATION IS ABOUT ANIMATING, MOVING THINGS, MAKING THINGS COME TO LIFE, NOT A STILL PICTURE.

Mean while, I'll be enjoying my well ANIMATED spongebob.

>Japan has quality and innovative animators

I'm blind too.

>>36704941
Mononoke has better animation than Spongebob.

>>36704749
I hope to god I'm being trolled right now.

>>36704941

come on, seriously? 3/10 man

>>36704973
No shit but I presume you have not seen Disney's older works.

/a/ is the shittiest place to discuss about animation, OP.

most anons don't know shit about it to discuss it properly. i myself don't know enough to discuss it although i have a few favorite animators of my own. the only guys on /a/ i always see providing some interesting info/discussion on animation are diebuster and ghost nia.

>>36704941
Have you actually watched Mononoke? The more actiony scenes have some pretty good animation.

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>>36705167
what the fuck does disney have to do with mononoke and spongebob

>>36705167

Older works. Yes. Exactly. Hence my saying 'currently Japan lead'

Both Japan and the West have their fair share of really good animation and really bad animation.

Get over it and move on.

The west forgot how to animate about half a century ago. Since then, Japan has left them in the dust.

Kana no Kyoukai.

That is all.

>>36703943

because disney are so good with their traced shit right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh84g8rC2oA

My favourites have to be Makiko Futaki and Shinji Otsuka

>>36705244
yeah but thanks to japan's ridiculous policy of paying minimum wages to young animators they might lose that to korea and china in the future

QUALITY thread??

>>36705282
don't fucking start this.

>>36705218
If the west has good animators, they must be in retirement because everything produced now is shit


Only good thing airing is Boondocks, and japan makes that

>>36705274
kara no kyoukai's has a pretty visual style but its animation isn't very interesting, although fluid

>>36705244

oh fucking sweet where did you get this? Is there more?

Akira

pinnacle of animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLSMo5IEqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVQzIpHOE9Q

>>36705395

saved from either /a/ or /m/

>>36705507

ITT: Weaboos, raging everywhere!

Say what you want about KyoAni, but they have the best animation quality for tv series 99% of the time.

>>36704716
He animates in Flash

>>36705579

Please keep posting more! or link to a r/s please

>>36705670

But it's so fucking clunky! You have to right click and select to get a new frame. Is flash really worth the learning curve? I tried it and it's really not user friendly.

>>36705716

that's all I have for kanada sadly