>Is this supposed to make any sense

Just barely.

>CHALLENGER DEEP

> pinnacle of anime

No, go watch Season 1 of Bleach to see the true pinnacle.

>baka gayjin
>bullshit.
Both of them.

If you didn't find the sense, you are just retarded and/or didn't even pay attention to the series.

>>36368048
This

Ahh.

Evangelion.

A fun walk down Freud boulevard.

>>36368129
Not even close. Maybe for twelve year olds...

>>36367992
God fucking dammit what is it with you fags?
Why do you need to have everything spelled out to you?
A little plot ambiguity is no bad thing.

>>36368158
this.

I guess you think James Joyce is bullshit too.

Have you ever heard of expressionistic art? That is what Evangelion is.

inb4 pretentious

>>36367992
It was all a dream.

>>36368158
Face it by episode 22 the plot had disappeared replaced with the incoherent ramblings of a depressed creator.

>>36367992
>Babby's first non shounen3 anime and he can't understand it

>>36368158

>plot ambiguity not a bad thing

Sure.

If you're a tool.

>>36368214
Plot ambiguity is a bad thing.

If you don't want to think or be challenged

I suppose we should explain this movie too while we're at it.

>>36368264

Actually, that would be easier than eva...

>>36368204
LOGH was shit too and about 40 episodes too long.

>>36368201
Let's review Evangelion's plot
- Shinji's evolution as a character
- The instrumentality program
Yeah... they never left

>>36368264
fucking good movie by the way

>>36368264
>iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

>>36368264
What's to explain, aliens created a new species using humans, not hard at all.

Wanting Evangelion to make 100% sense is like expecting Vision of Escaflowne to explain magic.

You don't have to understand everything to enjoy it you idiots.

>>36368283
sage and reported for obvious reasons.

no, its not supposed to make sense. just anno trolling all the retard eva-fags who wouldnt stfu

>>36368323

Or explaining that the force is actually bacteria.

>>36368264

No, 2001 is far more comprehensible than Evangelion in that Evangelion doesn't say something suddenly off topic and then move on to something else without even trying to explain what that shit just meant.

At least 2001 has a certain degree of alrightness.

>>36368349
Oh lawls

>>36368291
>I have shit taste and a poor attention span

>>36368332

I see you are very competent at what you do.

>>36367992
What do you want to understand? Third impact happened, everyone turned into tang and Human Instrumentality and once you face your fears and failures you can choose to come back from the tang.
By the end of the movie Asuka and Shinji made their way back to earth
...I'm not sure why he tried to strangle her, though

Pay attention
Watch it again. It makes a lot more sense the second time around when you know what to look for.

>>36368349

THIS

You alls suck.

Evafags really think NGE compares to 2001? FUCKING WOW.

>>36368400

Yeah whats with that.

From what I understand, he destroys human life and then regrets it.

What

NGE + EoE is better than 2001. and 2001 is excellent

>>36368459
oh that silly EVA; the fish always gets bigger every time he tells that story.

>>36368459

why did I laugh.

>>36368438
2001fags really think 2001 compares to EVA? FUCKING WOW.

>>36368438
2001 is more of a classic, but I personally enjoyed eva more. Everything considered, 2001 is better.

>>36368382
Maybe he wasn't sure if he still into the human instrumentality or in the real world?

Oh wow now its just a shitty ragethread.

Hitler is shinji, the angels are the jews, understand?

>>36368507
evafags really think eva compares to 2001? wow, how retarded can one get?

Pretty sad that all the morons in this thread don't have the patience to rewatch and think about a highly ambiguous work of art.

Eva is extremely multilayered, and like Anno said, it doesn't cater all the answers to you.

I'm sure you're all the kind of people who think "modern art" is "gay" and "pointless", so what's the point?

>>36368473
I think it's something like this

He's trolled his whole life by his dad
finally does something about it
get's a naked Rei telling him there's meaning to life and that he is in fact not worthless
feels better, decides he wants to live again

>>36368561
As much as I like shinji, he's too much of a wimp to be Hitler

>>36368536

>>36368590
hes emo enough

>>36368382
I think he strangled Asuka because he's afraid of her. To live in a world without any other is easier. This story is real, not some waifu bullshit (even though teh Rei is my waifu), and it confronts the fear of people and intense loneliness I'm sure most of us experience. You have to let yourself empathise with Shinji, or you won't enjoy the show.

>>36368635
and his dad abused him, it really works out

Evangelion doesn't have to make sense. Tell me you didn't enjoy the Asuka fight in EoE. Robots, no lasers. This is how it should be.

NGEfaggots think EoE is some sort of work of art, when in reality it's just a piece of fucking shit that was designed to insult otaku fags.

Rebuild might turn into something not shit, but as for EoE, anime doesn't get such worse than this.

>>36367992

im starting to figure out why people dont like eva. they just dont have the brain power or creativity to appreciate the series or abstract art in general. when something happens that isnt fully explained they get all freaked out and just say "lol random, this is made up bullshit". i cant imagine some of you sitting through a david lynch movie.

>>36368673
I didn't because she got raped.

>>36368680
Hahahaowow.jpg

>>36368680
care to back up your point? Also, know anything about post-structuralism?

http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-End/dp/B000068OJ1

holy shit, i just found out eoe is rated nc-17
what the fuck

>>36368680
The original NGE is my favorite series of all time, but Rebuild so far is just okay to me, like a 7/10. Anyone else of this persuasion?

ITT: 1990's vs. 2000's

>>36368769
probably because of the jizz

>>36368769
You have suicide attempt, masturbation and lots of deaths and gore.

Haha, oh summer /ɐ/!

I forgot to check my calender before posting in this thread. That explains everything. See you later, yall!

>>36368773
I agree, Rebuild is nice and all but, it doesn't feel the same, at all.

>>36368646
But I thought that when Shinji came back from the tang he would be a better person, decided to love himself and the people around him... and then he proceeds to strangle the bitch to death.
...Shinji, I am disappoint

>>36368812
yeah, why argue with braindead fourteen year olds? Sorry you guys can't appreciate Eva, but if you don't make an effort it's not like we'll be able to change that.

>>36368831
He decided to face his problems and all the people that had mistreated him.
Like Asuka.

I don't care if IT'S ART, but the first half of the series made perfect sense and then it was just a bunch of pseudo-deep symbolism that was thrown in at random.

>>36368812
oh god me too
brotip: one of the best things about anime is its ability to manipulate reality and time, and in these manipulations to confuse the boundaries of the world. those are the highest peaks of anime. when anime tries to pretend to be real people walking around in a real people world, it is not fulfilling its full range of possibility.
that's why god tier anime is shit like lain and paranoia agent and paprika and flcl and eva. the very nature of animated television is about confusing the boundaries of fantasy and reality.

>>36368831
waking up to that kind of world probably wouldn't put you in a very good mood, you know?

>>36368887
>but the first half of the series made perfect sense
Simple things, moster of the week, pretty much without plot, but heavy forshadowing
>and then it was just a bunch of pseudo-deep symbolism that was thrown in at random
that's when things get complicated and you just stop trying, because it's simple.

>>36368773

i agree. rebuild so far has just been a way for me see my favorite characters again in 1080p, watchable but definitely nothing i would recommend. there were a couple scenes in 2.0 that were pretty great, like shinji & rei at the end.
im just hoping 3.0 & 4.0 pull out all of the stops and we get something that rivals ep 21-26 + eoe in surreal apocalypse tragedy

>>36368897
this /a/non speaks the truth

>>36368938
I actually meant to say EoE was the one that made no sense, but then would you kindly explain the purpose of:

Unit-01 being crucified
The MP Units growing faces and impaling themselves
Having a giant Rei
Shinji trying to kill Asuka despite deciding to be a better person

Evangelion is about how a mostly emotionless female is more attractive than a bi-polar slut.

The only thing that made no sense to me was the whole innuendo scenes during the third impact
...What was that supposed to mean? "the birth of a new world"?

>>36368204

>>36368897
awshitnigga5starpost.jpg

>>36369117
merging of souls; return to the womb; immersion in the Other

>>36369058
there's a lot of truth to that statement

Evangelion? I liked it better when it was called Gurren Lagann.

>>36369228
0/10
You're not even trying

>>36368264
OMG IT'S AN AT FIELD OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

>>36369250
OH SHI-

Love it or hate it I don't think any anime has ever inspired as much passion as Eva. Over ten years later and we're all still talking about it, with no sign of an end in sight.

Face it bitches, Eva is the ultimate anime.

>>36369249
>he actually replied

>>36369162
Someone gives a credible answer. I'm sure this will be ignored and Eva haters will make the same thread tomorrow.

I'm sorry, I'm not a troll and I did enjoy the movie, but seeing some serious answers in this thread I feel encouraged to finally ask this:
What is Rei?
She's not an Angel but she's the same as Kaworu? Is that because she's a clone? Why was she chosen as the medium of the third impact?

>>36369278
Couldn't have said it better

>>36369356
Clone of Yui and Lilith etc.

>>36369356
clone of Yui with the soul of Lilith

If Eva doesn't just click for you when you watch it, there's something incredibly, incredibly wrong with you as a human being.

>>36369401
>>36369379
Lilith Yui mind

>>36369027
Easy
>Unit-01 being crucified
That and the tree of whatever are a symbol of EVA ascending to Godhood, it's pretty much universal. It was of course a cruzifixionfor ascension.
>The MP Units growing faces and impaling themselves
No meaning, eva is full of that
>Having a giant Rei
Well, she's llith, mother of humankind and she had to be big enough to use the balck moon/fruit of knowledge. Also fanservice.
>Shinji trying to kill Asuka despite deciding to be a better person
Facing his problems, Asuka had been a bitch to him the whole series and the instrumentalitation. For ONCE he decides to not run away.

>>36369379
>>36369401
Ohhh... I see. I thought she was just the clone of Yui
Thanks for answering!

>>36369356
"What is Rei?"
A clone of Yui, but her creation also connects her to Lilith, so she's effectively, but isn't, an angel.

"Why was she chosen as the medium of the third impact?"
Presumably because of the Lilith in her. Combining Adam and Lilith (man and woman) lead to third impact - symbolic of the dissolution of boundaries in coitus I would imagine. Rei was also special for Gendo because she reminded him of Yui.

>>36369456
all hail the arch troll

>>36369517
and his best self insert

Just throwing this out there, but those who love Eva, please watch Anno's live action film Shiki-Jitsu. It's a sorely under-appreciated masterpiece.

>>36369162
>>36369334
It wasn't ignored. I'm the anon who asked and I understand it now
...I guess

>>36369458
Mmhm. Well that's all well and good but I still doubt any of that was actually intentional and was more of less eyecandy.

Also if it is true, I don't want to have to be a godfag to understand anime.

>>36369534
>live-action Japanese film
I don't know about this. I'll still check it out, though.

>>36369581
Yeah, most of EVA is fanservice, but things like the cricifixion and the strangling are actually meaningful.
EVA loves fanservice, but it's pretty well mixed inside the series to the point you don't notice.

>>36369027
Giant Rei is Lilith returning all souls inot herself, simple as that. The MP Eva shit is just part of the Instrumentality ritual; think about it for its Freudian rather than plot value. Black Moon is Lilth's egg she's drawing everyone into. When it bleeds that means everyone is returning to human form. (Remember "a woman who does not bleed" from Rei's monologue?)

>>36369458
>>36368852
So I'm guessing Asuka's reaction to caress his face instead of being a bitch like she always was means she decided to be a better person too?
...That sounds better to me than my first interpretation of the movie

I propably wont ever watch this after reading this thread.

>>36369534
Any idea where I might find it?

This thread is giving me a big urge to re-watch NGE...

>>36369693
Yes, Asuka actually accepted it and try to get close to Shinji, something she had been avoiding from the very beginning because of her traumas.
Shinji then forgives her and stops.

>>36369739
This happens, after the rebuild 2.22 week I rewatched it because constant threads.

>>36369732
well if you're okay with semi-bad quality, it's on youtube. Still watchable though.

I bought a boot-leg of it for pretty cheap, but check it out on youtube first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdgSvqOJ3u0

>>36369739
do it

>>36369730
Gonna regret it.

>>36369730
That attitude is idiotic and you should feel bad.

>>36369777
Thanks. I'll ckeck it out.

>>36369693
yeah, too bad THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES LEFT ON EARTH

>>36369878
"All souls have the ability to return, if only they have the will to live."
-Yui Ikari

>this thread.
/a/ really is turning into a generic forum. Remember when we could discuss the flaws in EVA without circle jerk squad telling people they were stupid?

Fuck I haven't even watched any if this EVA shit and I already hate the pretentious artistic bullshit.

>>36369919
no

>>36369919
OP post deserves to be flamed.

>>36369942
if that's your attitude you probably wouldn't like it anyway.

The fact that you use "artistic" as a pejorative makes no sense to me though.

>>36368424
has this scene some deeper meaning?

Why is Lilith/rei being killed. And by what? Shinji's decision? Or has she kinda served her purpose?

>>36367992
good riddance

>>36370024
Shinji=God
He decides in ep26 taht he wants everyone to be different individuals. Therefore the soul that was required for the instrumentalitation to work rejected it.
Then it's as you say, Lilith had no purpouse left and died so everyone could go back, but she's still alive, somehow.

>>36369919
It's summer time, bro.

Looks like Eva was TOO DEEP for OP.

>>36370024
Rei/Lilith is returning all souls into the black moon to become one. Shinji, who has the power to control Instrumentality via Unit 01, has decided to return to his human form, giving others the power to do so if they so will. The blood is that of humanity-- throughout the series blood is a visual symbol of the pain of individual existence, hence why Lilith/Rei does not bleed. The image is also associated with mensturation/ the Triple goddess, returning to the womb in a Jungian sense. The scene is a visual exposition of the individual will to exist triumphing over a communal and transcendent consciousness.

i assume lillith can't really die unless humanity is wiped out, too.

>>36369919
That can only happen if OP praises it.

Shinji was choking Asuka because she didn't save him.
He choked her in one of his previous inner dialogues for a similar reason.

Shinji hardly does anything for himself other than what he feels is neccessary to survive and as a result, he believes that any hardship he endures is someone else's fault.

>>36370156
good points

"Eva is a story that repeats."
-Hideaki Anno

To understand the final choke scene, think about the other instances of choking in the series.

I started crying by this point because I had no idea what was happening but I knew it was the greatest thing I had ever seen.

>>36370245
this man gets it

>>36370245
tru dat

what the fuck was that short live-action scene of showing that empty theater?

>>36370465
it's meta

>>36370465
Shinji's trying to escape into another world through Instrumentality just like we're trying to escape into another world by watching the movie

>>36370245
/thread

Good pretentious: EVA

BAD pretentious: Bakemonogatari

>>36370539
Oh God..dont pit them one against the other. The shitstorm will last for hours.

>>36370539
inb4 shitstorm

>>36370465
I think Anno was trying to first show everythign as if it was RL then the empty theatre meant everyone was goo.

>>36370465

and then; you realize that we, living in the real world, just cannot assume that everything around us is just but a movie, but the only thing we have.
We may watch a movie, seeing a unreal world within a world. But our world is everything we have. It is not within another world and everything that is happening is just playing within this universe.

maybe shinji realized this and saw that he not only destroyed everything he ever had, but also the entire content of the universe he is 'living', effectively destroying even the living forms of all meta-worlds within his universe. ´Thats why the theater was empty.

>>36370731
>>36370517
fuck yes.

Seriously, on my first viewing, that image of the empty theater moved me to tears, and I couldn't even understand why.

>>36370465
Obvious social commentary about otaku's obsession with fantasy.

>>36370896
this, definitely, but I think to imply that it's ONLY this is a bit reductive

I think the "alternative" ending where Shinji held a detached arm and went insane is the best one to fit EoE.

Besides, I don't understand why Asuka said "I'm sick of you" is this a final display of tsundere or what...

>>36370731
this is so full of fuck.

I realized now, that it is practically impossible for us to flee to another universe, since the word 'universe' mean 'everything', so even another dimension, is just only a part of this universe.
Unlike a world of fiction, that is a part within our real world, our universe is a part of...?
nothing.
nothing else exists beside our universe.
nothing exists outside our universe.
this is all and everything we will ever have.

>>36370988

"Dreams exist within reality, and reality is in a place unknown."
-Kaworu Nagisa

>>36370965
>detached arm and went insane
What? I don't remember that.
And about Asuka, I think she found out he jerked off in front of her while she was in coma

>>36371047
that was going to be the original ending

>>36371034
pretty much.

This why I loved the arc where that sphere-shaped angel sucked EVA-01 into that Dirac-sea, some impossible room between the dimensions, that is but still within the realms of reality (when EVA-01 broke out and ripped the angel apart), since even Angels with all their mind-defying power, are still just only a part of the same reality the humans are living in.

>>36370965
I don't remember exactly what Asuka said, but I do remember watching a commentary once saying that it could be translated into many things.

It could mean what you said, she feels sick, this is a sick situation, or something along the lines of she feels gross.

Choking is more or less a sign of self rejection, of the inability to face weakness within and take responsibility.

Shinji letting it go more or less makes him a man. and it can be argued that he is much more of a man in rebuild. He only blames his dad for a period of time and then he totally manned up. So I dunno, if they are gonna show the same theme then there's already no room for his personality to develop.

>>36370965
WAT

>>36370965
kimochi warui doesn't really means "I'm sick of you" I think it's more like "I feel sick" or "this is a terrible feeling"...?

I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait for 3.0!

>>36367992
>i dont understand beethoven's 9th symphony either, so it must be shit.

>>36371264
Unlesss it goes the utter depressive route and starts showing the characters true colors...

>>36371184
don't take anything said in that commentary seriously

>>36371291
I hope that's the route it takes.

Well animated badassery is cool and all, but it can't reach the depths that EoE did.

Can't you people just fucking watch cartoons in peace?

>>36371478
I know right.
People should stop discussing anime on the anime board.

You guys only think its deep because you never seen a depressed characters before. And everyone is fucking depressed in their own way.