IMPORTANT NOTICE:

THEY'RE GOING FOR SITES MAKING A PROFIT ON THEIR SCANLATIONS, NOT YOUR AVERAGE-JOE NON-PROFIT SCANLATOR.

THIS IS FUCKING IMPORTANT DETAILS HERE, YO.

>>36000949
>implying #lurk is a site

I remember trying to read scanlations back around 1999. Everything was hosted on tiny sites on Geocities (this will obviously change to small blogs) with instructions to get files from IRC. If all the download aggregation and link aggregation sites were to vanish, we'd have a return to that, and to scanlations additionally hosted on /a/ and on series-specific forums.

Would it suck? Yes. Did we deal with it before? Yes. On top of that, scanlations now are SUCH higher quality than what we used to put up with. Hands up anybody who used to read shitty scans with over-compressed jpgs translated from Chinese or French editions typeset in Times New Roman or Comic Sans! Bonus points for Great Teacher Onidzuka!!

Repotsing this:

>>36000572
They've bowed to every demand, except speed next day scantilations and quick digital distributions. Think for a minute, a bunch of 20 year olds with pirated photoshop, self-taught image manipulating skills and amateur Japanese translators are able to clean and translate a manga in one day after the manga raw is out and distribute it on public file hosts. The manga industry can't do that. The manga industry with schooled professionals, better resources in every possible way CAN'T DO THAT. It's freaking MADDENING to wait for something you can have on the spot just because of bureaucracy and hidden interests. Why should I wait till August for biomega 3 to come to the states when you can easily have it out by next month, why should I wait till august for Evangelion high school apocalypse when you could plunk that on have it ready for purchase next fucking week? Provide good services I provide money.

>>36001074
any not for profit scanlator still takes away business from a legit japanese publisher by scanning, translating and distributing the works for free.

if you think they are going to stop at the scanlation sites and not go after scanlators, you are mistaken. This is not 30 years ago when japan didn;t give a fuck about fan scanlations.

Corporations have the right to their IP.

>>36001172
Ignoring corporate bureaucracy and copyright laws speeds up the process immensely.

>>36001172
i agree. but will they listen? not likely. They will just pull a BangZoom and go "The Manga Industry is Dying World. Buy our late over-priced junk that will be in the bargain bin the week after you plonk down $20 for them."

>>36000949
I'm late to the discussion but what happened when the RIAA and the MPAA went after torrent sites?

Exactly.

>>36001269

that is another headache - after ACTA drops, it's gonna get easier for people to shut the sites down.

>>36001172
Adding to this:


>http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/
See this? Do it for manga, I'll pay 50 dollars a month for a subscription. Make it even more enticing, pay for a subscription for weekly/monthly manga magazine scans and get a 10% discount when you puchase the tankubon.

See that? I'm an overweight neck beard who's failing chem 101, lives with his mom and has no job because he's a lazy fuck and I just outlined a good business model, something TRAINED DEGREE HOLDERS with EXPERIENCE can't fucking do. Either they're intentionally blocking progress or they're dumber than an overweight neck beard who's on /a/ as opposed to not being a fat fuck. I refuse to believe this people are dumber than me.

>>36001174
That's all well and good, but what about the series that never make it out here? I'm STILL waiting to buy a US release of To Love Ru. I would purchase every last volume of that the day they hit the shelves.

Nothing will come of this, you take one file sharing site down and two take its place.

the MPAA/RIAA are proof of this.

i would happily pay

if they would actually release more stuff i'm interested in

i'm only buying Shaman King, Claymore and NANA right now

i'll try to get Berserk in th upcoming months, how are the English releases?

>>36001331
Darling, it's $50 for a year. but i am willing to pay the same i pay for Crunchyroll.

>>36001269

Yes, exactly.

The industry can't stop piracy or file sharing any better than it can distribute its content as >>36001172 points out for the same reasons >>36001172 points out.

>>36001363
Better than the scanlations of the early volumes, that's for sure.

>>36001333
it's too raunchy for western sensibilities. We have censored it and replaced it with a version of Pokemon for you.

>>36001384
>pay for Crunchyroll

>>36001333
this

but it would be Needless and Baki and maybe KDJ for me

>>36001331
Or... That business model in fact doesn't actually turn a profit and you would know this if you weren't a fat neck beard failing chem 101.

>>36001455
waidaminite. You guys don't have to pay?

we can't even watch the good shows in Singapore.

The only things I'm buying right now are Yotsuba& Lucky Star and the Haruhi novels. I'm not much interested in manga, neither is a lot of people, in the west anime is more popular than manga, because pic related.

Funny they always blame piracy despite comics and manga WORLDWIDE declining, people are getting bored of the same shit over and over, and rather than change your buisiness model to compete with piracy you'd much rather piss the pirates off so they won't buy shit from you.

>>36001331
I'd pay for this, especially if it made it feasible to publish stuff that wouldn't otherwise get an English release.

I feel a lot less bad about downloading Oyasumi Punpun or Franken Fran than I would about downloading Berserk or One Piece, but I'd still like to be able to read those legitimately.

>>36001491
Paying users get them a week sooner, but they're put up for free too.

>>36001384
Fucking cancer

>>36001172
>why should I wait

What are you 12?
Brainwashed 'tard.
Manga isn't a right, it's some more shit they want to fleece you for.

Remember the motto:
WHAT THE MARKET WILL BARE

I don't pay for shit, I wouldn't pay with a digital subscription, don't expect miracles.

Personally I don't buy the stuff because the online stuff gets things up much faster. I remember when I had to wait 6 months-1 year just for the next issue of Dragonball to come out. Shit sucked.

>>36001537
Holy shit! here i was trying to watch animax dubs whilst you guys got stuff subbed!

we are blocked out of Funi and other manga sites as well.

thank you international protectionist corporations!

Different thing from movies and songs, all they need to do is go after scanlators.

Unless you guys know japanese and read raws.

>>36001547
why?

>>36001551

The market isn't bearing the shit they're doing now.

Piracy has changed the landscape to make buisness fairer, corperate bastards know this and won't change blaming any loss on piracy and not their shitty buisiness model

>>36001547
Seconded.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU FUCKERS,
I AIN'T PAYING SHIT!!!

LIFE IS A GAME, DUMBASSES,
YOU PAY, YOU LOSE.

http://freakbits.com/9-reasons-piracy-helps-the-music-industry-1123
http://torrentfreak.com/is-piracy-really-killing-the-music-industry-no-100418/
http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-killing-the-movie-industry-greed-is-100222/

>>36001668
don't forget the USD $4.17 trillion fair use market.

>>36001633
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also maybe
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>>36001474
>Giving people fast high quality service is a bad business model.

This is why we can't have nice things and I don't trust any company ever.

This shit is why we need socialism, the government would MAKE them make animus and mangos affordable.

>>36001631
Hey, fucking ANN schill, go fuck yourself.

In the words of Hox

>implying that even death could ever stop me from translating

>>36001633
oh look little summerfag thinks he knows shit about life

>>36001551
I don't understand what you're saying here.

People buy Crunchyroll subscriptions; people will buy online manga subscriptions. Maybe not /a/nons, but plenty of people will.

I believe in the principle of at least making things equal between Japan and elsewhere. How much does an issue of a manga magazine cost? How much does an issue of WSJ cost? It's probably cheap enough to offer entire magazine subscriptions. I shouldn't expect tankoubon quality, but the translation should be quality, and it should be able to stand on its own and entice me to buy the tankoubon when it comes out over here.

When I can, I buy

But the fact this, there is shit I wont give my money for but want to follow, or I simply CAN'T find

If I knew where to buy Veritas, Freezing.
If Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer was localized...which it wont.
These are just a few examples

Etc, etc, etc.
Stuff like this pisses me off. They expect me to pay for shit I don't like, and never make available the stuff I like, so what am I to do?

>>36001172

Fucking this. If you want my fucking money, stop taking fucking forever to get me my shit.

>>36001753
Remember kidz, support the good people who brings you fun mangas!

>>36001815
>implying publisher give a fuck about what YOU want

>fucking pirates getting their shit kicked in
thank god
you people don't give a single shit about the artists involved

Fuck them, I buy shit when I can, and unlike a lot of people I actually fucking CANT afford to buy shit, I pick up maybe a volume of manga a week and maybe, MAYBE a series boxset every few months.

Fucking college sucks every bit of money I get from my job.

>>36001910
>implying publisher give a fuck about artists.

>>36001818
This. Update your piss-poor distribution models to provide for even service, and I'll actually think about paying for that service.

About fucking time.
Let the warehouses burn, let the newfags and lowlevels cry, we'll be none the worse for wear.

>>36001896

Then I simply don't pay.
Hey, it's very simple. It's not like Japan retailers are going to care what happens with manga's that aren't released in the US

And without the origins support, I'd like to to see the US do shit about it. Heck, legally they can't

>>36001910
implying artists get good money from greedy publishers from sales.

they are paid before they draw and by pages. Not so much in royalties.

>>36001910

How stupid are you?
You really think half of the manga artists even care?
If they're not already stinking rich, they're in this for more than just money...or both.

>An unnamed spokesperson for the coalition also pointed to smartphone applications designed to read such sites as an escalation of the problem.

Hahaha, fucking Mangastream. This is going to be fun.

>>36001943
Well work more asshole, the mangas ain't FREE!
Work through the bone, chump!

Surely this is just going to stop casualfags getting into new manga.

People who care enough to be hanging out on /ɐ/ will still be able to find this stuff.

I'm late to the discussion, so sorry if this has been brought up before, but. . .

If the site isn't based in US or Japan, wouldn't that mean such a coalition would have absolutely zero legal authority to force the site to close?

>>36002035

tell that to the Pirate Bay owners

>mango

who gives a fuck reading is for chumps

>>36001973
>>36002017
>>36001948
yeah im sure the artists just magically lose their pages and they mysteriously appear in the publisher's lap
they buy and sell this shit
if there is no market due to everyone pirating, only amateurs will do it
enjoy your slushpile culture in -10 years

>>36001910
Kubo heard about scanlating when some retarded cunt congratulated him on Chapter 400 on Twitter. The only thing he cared about was scanlators releasing it earlier than the magazine would come out in Japan. Which I agree with.

>>36002106
>implying anybody cares

>>36001815

I would buy every fucking volume of Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer, Franken Fran, Liar Game, Kaiji, and Steel Ball Run if they actually released them here. Too bad they fucking won't. Also, I'd by the imports in moonspeak if the bookstores here didn't inflate the prices by 170%.

>>36002106
>implying the culture is "good" now. xD

>>36002106

This is a typical argument from an anti-piracy standpoint, but the reality is in fact quite the opposite.

Also,

>implying the vast majority of manga isn't already a hodgepodge of shit-laced garbage

>>36002077
japanese publishers dont have the movie, music and software industries wanting to stop these sites though

>>36001973
b-b-but Rumiko Takahashi...

>>36002077
Pirate Bay is located in Sweden.
Any attempt to legally shut them down has to go by Swedish Law and through the Swedish government. Which, so far, has failed.

>>36002106
>only amateurs will do it
You mean people will draw for the love only?
What a horrible world!

>>36002106

Dude that isn't the issue
Even if suddenly piracy stopped, corporations would still shit on the artists because hey, the way they see it, they're giving them jobs so they decide the price

You have to reach a fucking high level to demand your terms. And even then you can get fucked over hard. Toriyama is an example of this

>>36002197
>b-b-but Rumiko Takahashi...
b-b-but Inu Yasha...

900 dollars worth of goods, plus another $1000 of shit I'm too lazy to bring out from the storage. $2000 worth of goods. I wouldn't have gotten any of these if I didn't read them online first. Seriously I'm not the only one, people buy shit because they see it on the web.

>>36001973
>not paid in royalties
Actually, that's how they get paid. Tankoubon, anime, and merchandise sales will rake in the big bucks. Your salary from [manga magazine] is simply a means to that end.

Buying online magazine subscriptions would probably put little money back in the artists' pockets. As for buying tankoubon and such, I dunno, is the manga licensing model as ass-retarded as the anime licensing model (i.e. non-Japanese sales don't go back to the original publisher and artist)?

>>36002286
>Meeeeh! Meeehh!! Fleece me more Master, Fleeece me MOOORE!

>>36002140
i would buy all of franken fran and this figure if it was available

You mean we'll see people post pages at their actual resolution instead of onemanga downscans? STOP THE PRESSES!

>>36002286
respectful, open minded attitude

>>36002360
angsty teenager attitude

>>36001384
>pay for Crunchyroll
Oh jesus I hope this is a troll.
Back on topic, once again some bunch of faggots wants to control the internet and once again they will fail. People never learn.

>>36002467
>moralfagging attitude that brings nothing to the table.

>>36002433
wait till they come after the scanlators or if scanlators themselves stop doing this to support the industry.

>>36002140
Fucking THIS.
Viz and the other faggot publishers need to license shit that people actually want to read.
If they can't do that, or if they want to take six months in between volumes, they can fucking go out of business for all I care. They're outdated, obsolete, unable to adapt.
If I buyfag, I buyfag GOOD SHIT. Shit like Black Jack, Excel Saga, JJBA, Berserk. If you can't get me anything in their league, I'm not going to buy anything else.

>my face when YKK will never be available in the west

>>36002286
Holy shit, that stuff is fucking expensive.

>>36002360
You just mad because you can't buy stuff with mommy's credit card.

I still don't like how companies assume anything watched/read illegally is a lost sale.

I couldn't possibly afford to buy all the manga I read, so if they made it impossible to pirate I'd just stop reading it.

>>36002631
Companies assume that. Just like the governments assume that filtering the internet will "Protect the children."

at the end of the day it's about money and power.

>Franken Fran will never be licensed

>>36002140
I would bu Lucifer and the Biscuit hammer and petition gainax for an anime. Too bad LBH won't come to America, too bad gainax doesn't give a shit about overseas fans and what they want.

>>36002744

That and Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer would be glorious to buy

>>36002631
The music industry makes the same bullshit assumption.
I download mango and full albums not to archive as though I'd bought it legitimately, but to check them out as though I were flipping through it in a bookstore or listening to a demo CD at a (good) record shop.
If I don't like it, I delete and don't download any more of it.
An iTunes-esque economic model where publishers license, translate, market, and contract scanlator groups to edit & typeset everything could work. But it'll never happen because the publishers are retarded.

>>36002286
SZS manga has been released in english?

>>36002765
Not just GAINAX, all the anime/manga industry don't give two shit about overseas fans.

>>36002744
>Franken Doctor: Follow the adventures of Fran as she and her whacky friends go on an adventure to cure people from mysterious diseases!

>The devil who hates biscuits: An exciting new adventure of epic pastries! Follow as Sam and Ken try to stop the evil chef from the future from destroying all the pastries in the world!

Porn industry is the most pirated industry out there but they're making big bucks.

I haven't been able to read the last chapters of my dear goddesses D:

fuck 'em

>>36002910

manga industry = anime industry

The manga industry aren't that retarded

>>36002875
Yup. The first four volumes even had a good translation and fantastic translator notes in the back.

Then they switched translators in volume five. . .

>>36002946
That's because they don't give a fuck, porn will always sell.

>>36003011

I meant "=/="

>>36002140
THIS.

I'm a buyfag for stuff I actually like (bibliophile lol; I enjoy printed books, and prefer having something I can hold in my hand to a scan on a screen), but there is a significant percentage of things that I want to buy that just aren't available in English. If those things I wanted were available in English I'd snap them up like a little kid with a birthday cake, but since they aren't, I'm reading the scans.

Vertical, Viz Signature, and Dark Horse are getting my money lately because they're publishing stuff I actually want to buy.

But seriously, FUCK if I'm buying Generic Shounen #57. You want to publish that? Go ahead, but I'm not reading it, online or buying it.

>>36003020
Cause the original guy (a pro) was too expensive.
So they switched over to a retard.

WHY AREN'T YOU GREATFUL GIVING US YOUR MONEY, SCUM!!!

>>36003054
You give this people too much credit.

>>36001331
>>36001331

this... thiiiiiissss

if only the j-corps fucking did that... I would definitely buy their stuff because I could read it on time without having to wait ages till the fucking publisher in my country decided to put it on tnknbn

>>36003096
Is that why? I never found out the reason for the switch.
Ah, well, that's one lost customer for them.

THe PIGS WILL ALL DIE.
BUT IT WILL BE LONG DEATH,
FULL OF SQEELING & MOANING.

BE BRAVE, HOLD ON TO YOUR DIGNITY.
(don't buy shit)

Things I want to buy but are not in the states:

Change 123
High school of the dead
Mysterious girlfirend X
Hundreds of one shots that will never be seen outside of Japan in print.
Kodomo no Jikan (Ye I read it for the story)

i always wondered,

why don't Japanese companies release stuff in English

DVD's/BD specially (subs)

they would get a lot of profit from the importing

>>36003161
Never read what Torren Smith wrote about the new people the publishers hire?

Why wait months before you can buy something in North America which you can read online right now for free?

There is only one logical choice: read the scanlations.

>>36002368
>longhaired_DrSaber_with_bolt_through_head.jpg

>>36003249
YOU ARE THIEF! WHY ArEN"T YOu WAITING LIKE ALL GOOD LITTLE BOYS & GIRLS!!!!

>>36003241
Because US companies cockblocks them.

Also, too much investment for little return.

Can we just email them these ideas and complaints? I mean I could screen cap both these threads, compile the key points and email them to all the suggestion emails?

A little question... has someone tried to get futaba channel to discuss this? I mean, the overseas thing, the marvel example, people willing to buy stuff per internet, and so on...

remember manga/animu publishers examine and spend time in there, to do as 2ch wants

>>36003248
No, link?

>>36003347
Do it

>>36003241

They've tried it before and failed.

>this thread
Hm. So I just downloaded all of Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer. What should I expect?

>>36003404
Nobody cares. The people who speak Japanese on 4chan don't care enough to start a discussion on 2ch and I don't think 2ch gives a fuck.

>>36003404

(Futaba = 2chan) != (2ch = 2channel

I think some on 2ch actually support anti-piracy. When Mangahelpers was gimp, they were all like ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━ !!!!!

>>36003512
>I think some on 2ch actually support anti-piracy.

Some no, most of them, but that's because they are in Japan.

>>36003241
Do you know how much stuff costs in Japan? If I lived in Japan (and spoke Japanese), I'd import American releases and watch them with subtitles turned off.

>>36003248
Link, please

in times of calamity and disaster is when /a/ unites under a single cause

this thread, free of trolls (except for obvious ones)
is proof of that

>>36003620
>Do you know how much stuff costs in Japan?

yes i do and yes you have made a very good point there good sir

Do western manga publishers really think people will pay for paper releases when scanlations are better in every way and are usually better translated?

WHY IS MANGA TRADERS DOWN?

>>36003768
Manga traders is down? FUCK!

ONEMANGA FTW

I SUPPORT ONEMANGA

/a/ ARE FAGGOTS

well... it seem it will be a dark summer full of live timing irc sharing

>>36003757

Yes they do. BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LAW ON THEIR SIDE MAH BOI.

I'd like to see a western publisher who releases good manga, with quality translations, at a decent speed, like what many scanlators do. Too bad that will probably never happen.

>>36002286
>Blame! and Biomega
GIVE.THEM.TO.ME
Hypnotoad.png

I usually end up buying something I read on the internet and love. I know I've read a quote from Tokyopop saying that scanlations are good for them because they can see what's popular, and what they should pick up - because people will buy the official volumes to support the artist.

But I usually only buy the Japanese version because I don't want money to go to the faggots at Tokyopop / whatever shit company does translations. Half the time they suck ass (in translation or editing). The other half of the time, they're too expensive. The Japanese volume is cheaper, directly supports the Japanese side of things (bookstore/artist/manga publisher) and is a metaphorical spit in the face to the American publishing companies.

As for translation, even if they hunt down every site on the internet, sue them, and get them shut down, you can't remove the scanlations from the internet. They'll get around. Someone's got them downloaded and will reupload them. It's the curse of the internet, once it's there it's never gone.

And as for me, I'm going to take advantage of that curse and keep posting, even if it means death.

tl;dr fuck that shit, they can't stop us

Polite sage for tripfaggotry.

So people thing a bunch of kids on the internet are better translators and editors than paid people with degrees in the Language they translate and edit?

>>36004181
Yes.

Just like the problem with the music/movie industry in the US:
The publishers need to adapt, consumers drive the market

>>36001172
Great post

i just recently decided to start buying Manga again, at least one maybe 2 a week because im tired of having to sit at my computer all the time to read it. I went to Borders (bad choice i know) And ended up buyin shit i have already read, which for some series i dont mind, because there was nothing worth trying to pick up. Im gonna give it another shot at B&N, but my hopes are not high.

>>36004181

Think for a minute, a bunch of 20 year olds with pirated photoshop, self-taught image manipulating skills and amateur Japanese translators are able to clean and translate a manga in one day after the manga raw is out and distribute it on public file hosts. The manga industry can't do that. The manga industry with schooled professionals, better resources in every possible way CAN'T DO THAT. It's freaking MADDENING to wait for something you can have on the spot just because of bureaucracy and hidden interests. Why should I wait till August for biomega 3 to come to the states when you can easily have it out by next month, why should I wait till august for Evangelion high school apocalypse when you could plunk that on have it ready for purchase next fucking week? Provide good services I provide money.

>>36004181

No, we don't think that. We know it.

It's just like how a kid who plays around with code for hours on end for fun can be better off than a guy with a degree in computer science. Degrees are meaningless in this situation.

>>36004346
So you would PAY for a digital release? Because printing our thousands of copies of a manga takes more than a fucking week.

It takes time to print and distribute manga.