GAINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX

In b4 Adachi Panties and Stockings.jpg

Oh god, this could be the new FLCL.

We already have japanese powerpuff girls.

inb4 the villain is a super intelligent monkey with a turbant.

>Stocking will be voiced by Gainax regular Yukari Fukui

Picked up.

Time to go burn things.

They better not get Maaya Sakamoto for this shit (thus compelling me to watch it).

Very American-looking character designs there, fellas.

So wait, the animator came up with the plot...?

>>34489085

FFFFFFFUUUUUU this style reminds me of that Cartoon Network series, Ami Yumi was it? About a japanese pop band or some shit.

Blossoms
She's the commander and leader

Bubbles
She is the joy and the laughter

Buttercup
She is the toughest fighter

Powerpuff save the day

Fighting Crime
Trying to save the world
In bed just in time
The Power Puff Girls

>expect trashy Japanese fanservice
>get reverse-weeaboo-ness

I'm ok with this.jpg

inb4 it turns into a depressing anime about the fall of moe girls into cockmongering sluts

Hmm, with a distinct enough visual style, it might be able rise above the standard moe cliches.

They kinda resemble the Powerpuff Girls' style.

>>34489146

He came up with the idea and did the original design work and concept art. This is the show he always wanted to be working on.

>>34489141
Yoh Yoshinari is a huge fan of Western cartoons.

>Hiroyuki Imaishi (Gurren Lagann, Dead Leaves) is directing the project
I hope it will be fucking crazy like Dead Leaves.

>>34489140
What's with everyone wondering about Maaya Sakamoto in particular? Or are you the same guy from yesterday?

>>34489168
Look, as much as I respect him as an animator, some people should just stick to their areas.

I might bite my tongue later, but somehow this whole project doesn't sounds promising at all.

>>34489139
>Stocking will be voiced by Gainax regular Yukari Fukui

confirmed for dead.

This show gonna be hated by japs and 3/4 of guys in other parts of the world since they fucking weaboos cunts.

>>34489196

Because Nono = Yukari Fukui and Lal'c = Maaya Sakamoto and people want to see Nono and Lal'c together again. ;_;

>>34489196
Maaya Sakamoto worked with Fukui in Diebuster. A reunion would be nice.

TRAILER PLZ

Sigh. When Hanamaru was announced, the same kind of thing happened. We hyped it, thinking that halfway through it there would be some awesome twist, leading to the balls to the wall GAINAX END.

And look how it ended.

>>34489147

Yeah yes here it is

Hi hi Puffy Ami Yumi

Ladies and gentlemen, do you notice? A frightening disaster is impending to the town and DATEN-CITY in god and satan's interstices now. Will it be an evil spirit? It is possible to say, and it is not an evil spirit. It passes to knowing, and it is everyday experience that graws at DATEN-CITY. To be direct with you, the disaster that attaDATENcks-CITY is PANTY & STOCKING! Hey, men. Don't turn neighbor's skirt.

>>34489271
More like everyone feared something that woulcn't have happened.
YOu poelpe should understand taht you just can't do whatever you want with an adaptation.

>>34489233
Seriously it should have been like this for everything, if you were to hire Maaya then you MUST hire Fukui.

>>34489271

Adaptation vs Gainax Original.

>>34489152
it now plays in my head, oh god

I'm liking the designs, I expect porn of these characters on Pixiv within the week

>>34489233
>>34489236

FFFFFFFFFF that was Maaya Sakamoto?

Browsing through her work, I realize how many of her works I've seen and how little of it I recognize. It really creeps me out.

>>34489272
That shit was pretty bad. Powerpuff Girls on the other hand, I actually kind of liked.

I'll at least give this show a try when it comes out regardless.

>>34489147
It's really more superflat style than cartoon network style.

GAINAX have been going superflat lately.

>>34489085
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?!?!!?

It will be shit.

Remember that I said it first.

>>34489365
Sure... Just like what you said in Heroman...

>>34489390

Heroman was shit.

Anyway, this will be fun and awesome; the staff is insanely talented with crazy shit and this is crazy shit.

the only reason i'll watch this is cause we'll certainly get gainax quality and expertise.

however, as i recall, few people remember some of gainax's other animes like nadia and aberoshiwhatever

>>34489390

Well it IS shit. And these designs look like some 3 year old came up.

>>34489417

The character design is fucking awesome.

>>34489416
Hey remember when GAINAX made that shitty movie about a rocket?

Too bad Kazuya Tsurumaki is busy with Rebuild. The staff could use him when it comes to real wacky shit.

>Yukari Fukui

Stockings confirmed for BAD END

>>34489454
actually no, what anime was that

>>34489448

Looks like shitty powerpuff girls clone. That's not really "fucking awesome".

Well Panty seems to have those "imma have to slap a bitch, Lightning," eyes.

Oh great. I can see all the trolls with their butthurt sages coming to every hype threads about Panty & Stocking and say "Looks like a western cartoon shit. Go back to /co/".

>>34489496

They are similar to PPG, but they're also stylish in their own unique way, specially the faces.

>>34489501

MAAYA SAKAMOTO PLZ

WELL SHIT, SO MUCH FOR FAPPING VIGOROUSLY
THANKS FOR CRUSHING MY HOPE, GAINAX
NO HOPE SINCE YOU'RE NOT SHAFT
SO NO LOLI FANSERVICE EITHER

Oh well, it kind of feels like this may be pretty good either way, with or without all of the no fapping.

>>34489491
Boku no Honneamise

This will be the best fanservice show in the history of the world. And I'll hate it.

>My face when not moeshit

>>34489553
>not moeshit
Bro, look at it again.

Man, I am tired of everyone mistaking what is obviously superflat for some sort of cartoon network Genndy art style.

>Gainax announces a powerpuff girl sequel
>/a/ fuckin loves it

Holy shit you guys would eat any shit Gainax comes up with.

>>34489553

You should look at it again.That's a pinnacle of moeshit.

>>34489576

Superflatness is superflat.

And most Japanese fags can't fap to it.

>>34489589
>implying you didn't watch PPG

is that a panty gun?

>>34489623

It didn't air where I live.

>Superflat
Stop using words you don't understand.

>>34489606

No, this is moeshit.

P&SwG looks like reverse-weeabooness, superflatness and lolwutness.

>>34489553
>>34489606
I looked again.

Still don't see any moe. If anything, this could be a comedy anime with a lot of actions for kids in the Gurren Lagann time-slot(09:30 every Saturday was it?).

The story centers around a teen-celebrity-like blond-haired girl named Panty and a black-haired Goth Loli girl named Stocking. The two are angels sent from the heavens to battle the "Ghosts" on Earth.
MMMMmmmmMMMMMMmMmmMmm

>>34489606
Still not sure if moe shit.

inb4 panty and stocking use their namesakes as transformable weapons. seriously, look at them

>>34489691
>doesn't see the stocking sword and the panty gun

blind anon is blind

what the fuck happened to the england 1900-1930 shit?

>>34489707
maybe ANOTHER project?
A studio can do more than one anime a year, you know.

>>34489704
nope, just got here actually. why don't you get me a drink?

>>34489718

No, Gainax can't. They're a small studio, bro.

>>34489707
It could be for another Gainax project later in the year. Or, this could be it.

>>34489637
It was better than it looked.

Hopefully this will be too.

>Main characters name are Panty and Stocking
>Character design confirmed that it's not some ridiculous ecchi anime despite the title

Picked up.

>>34489637
Then you have no right to comment, do you. Powerpuff Girls was, for the most part, an excellent cartoon.

People are only scared of this not because it's "moeshit". Quite the opposite, it's because it doesn't have the usual bland, formulaic anime look that's fits into their comfort zone. It has alot more in common with Junko Mizuno's work than anything else. And that's awesome, because Mizuno's stuff is great.

>>34489606
KyoAni anime are the pinnacle of moeshit. This is going to be Dead Leaves in 1930 with two girls instead of Pandy and Retro.

>Gainax still confirmed for God tier studio

>The two are angels sent from the heavens to battle the "Ghosts" on Earth.
>angels
>Lovely Angels

Well, it's been nice knowing this city.

>>34489814

Powerpuff is good for kids. Not for adults, mate.

>>34489704
>seriously, look at them
>them
>implying that you were gonna figure out that i saw >them already bro

>expect echii fanservice trash
>get cartoony and crazy character designs

This is me laughing at all the naysayers.

If Gainax wanted to make moeshit and peddle hug-pillows and other pathetic merchandise then they wouldn't have used character designs like that. Come on /a/. You should be able to tell what's moeshit and what isn't.

Seriously, how does this even look bad to anybody? Because it's cutesy?

Newflash, half of anime was cutesy even before the moe trend as we see it today came along. And this looks alot fresher and more original than Hanamaru Kindergarten ever did (for all that may actually have been a good show, I tried watching it but two episodes in and it seemed really bland so I put it on hold).

I swear, people here get newer every day.

>>34489860
Most anime is for kids you fruit.

PPG is no less entertaining for adults than Gurren Lagann.

>>34489930

>PPG is no less entertaining for adults than Gurren Lagann.

Oh wow. How does it feel to mildly retarded?

>>34489860

PPG had some pretty dark episodes that even adults could like.

RIP Gainax

you will be missed

>>34489930
Neither of those are entertaining for adults.

I want Yoshiyuki Sadamoto to design characters for a new anime. Has he done anything since The Girl Who Leaped through Time?

>>34489930
Gurren-Lagann was a homage to Robot anime.

PPG is a shitty kids cartoon.

And then they went and fight about PPG...

>>34490060
Madhouse and Mamoru Hosoda are currently borrowing Sadamoto for his next film.

This will flop badly.

>>34489860

PPG had a lot of stuff only adults would get.

Also the fact it had to be censored for some episodes shows it wasn't all kiddy.

>>34490102
GLEE.

>>34490071
Pretty much all robot anime ever was made for kids.

>GAINAX

All is lost. It can't be undone.
It's wasted and gone.

remember when gainax was about mecha anime?

When this gets localized, It will be renamed "Ribbon and Dress" or some shit like that.

>>34490165
>Nadia

>mecha

eh whot?

Jesus Christ, their weapons match the names.

Stocking isn't so bad, but Panty's gun is just "wat."

>>34490165
FLCL wasn't all that mecha.

>>34490034
Name and describe one

>>34490165


Not everything Gainax made was mecha.

>>34490165

Yeah....No...

I was expecting ecchi like a lot of people, but it looks hard to even pull off the traditional Gainaxing with boobs that angular.

Anyway, I for one welcome our new cartoony ghostbusting magical girl overlords.

>>34490221
not everything but a lot
nadja(no mecha, but there was a robot and a futuristic sub)
then of course nge, diebuster/gunbuster, flcl, gurren lagann

Abenobashi wasn't mecha.

AHHH I LOVE THE STYLE, it looks just like Q-ko-chan! Eagerly anticipating this, it looks awesome.

Why the hell are you guys keep saying that "Gainax is dead", "So long Gainax" or anything like that from looking at the character design and premise of Panty and Stocking?

Can you see that this looks original, fresh, new, and different from any other anime that is currently airing? It doesn't look even a little bit moe. Or are you guys prefer generic moe anime than something new?

>>34489227
Haters gonna hate.

Goddamn I hate Stocking's design.

>>34490329
I can tell English is not your first language. Tell me, anon, where do you reside and where are your roots?

Out of about 21 series Gainax worked on about six of them were mecha.

>>34490329
this is generic moe anime

Gainax are dead

>>34490178
The same way "Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann" was changed to "Heaving Piercing Crimson Lotus Enveloping Face" right?

Though, to be fair, it was abbreviated to just "Gurren Lagann".

>>34490329
You're new here. Don't deny it.

>>34490217

Wow have to dig in my memories there, well If I remember well there was an episode called speed demon that was pretty dark, the girls travelled into the future and arrived in an alternate reality where Him destroyed townsville and everyone in the city were all old people almost zombielike that hated the PPG and wanted to kill them even Utonium and the mayor.

>>34489736
They could be growing though. They've got a good income from the TTGL franchise, and since they animated Eva they're getting money funneled to them from the Rebuild movies.

I'm /a/, I judge the merit of an entire company based on a single piece of promotional artwork.

>>34490387
Since 2006. Not that new.

>>34490428
High five, I do so too.

>>34490350

See

>>34489147
>>34489272
You are not alone.

This reminds me of Pure White Lover Bizarre Jelly.

>>34490384
The art is far from generic. Generic moe is like Key and Kyo-Ani, this is a retro-version-of-a-futuristic-world-east-meets-west-hybrid moe like Kaiba was.

>>34490473

Get out of /a/ Travis !

>>34490420
They've always had a ton of money since 1995. Budget is no problem for them--unless the Japanese suddenly stop buying Eva merchandise.

Oh come on, /a/
- little girls
- panty
- stocking
- fightan

You're not sold?

>>34490217
EAT YOUR PEA, PROFESSOR

>>34490004
Oh /a/, you guys are so fucking stupid.

Looks fun.

And the animation is by Yoh Motherfucking Yoshinari.

>>34490329
>Or are you guys prefer generic moe anime than something new?

Dohohohohohohoho.

So Panty takes down her panties and turns it into a gun, while Stocking takes down one of her stockings and turns it into a sword?

Hmm, the character designs were not what I was expecting, but at least it is not moeshit.

Bawwww

I predict Dead Leaves levels of awesomeness.

>>34490375
Yes, but they're the six that everyone can name off the top of their head.

>>34490558
> So Panty takes down her panties and turns it into a gun, while Stocking takes down one of her stockings and turns it into a sword?
Personally I'm hoping for a lot of reverse asscracks.

>>34490516
But the little girls aren't drawn in a sexually appealing way, so /a/ won't like it because /a/ is dum.

>>34490596
That's why I'm waiting for the live version.

>>34490540
>>34490595
>>34490608

HNNNNNNNNNNNG Buttercup !

>cartoony, super-stylish character designs that look Tezuka/PPG-ish
>/a/ calls it moeshit

Fucking blind faggots.

>>34490514
That's not what they claim. Years back they claimed the only reason they did series such as He Is My Master was so they had money for their serious projects.

I will enjoy this as long as they don't try to make it "serious".

HAI GUYZ,
IM POSTING ON 4CHAN IN THE LIBRARY, SITTING UP FRONT

THIS GIRL NEXT TO ME IS MAD HAWT, SHES GIONG TO THE BATHROOM ATM

CAN WE POST SMOETHING COOL SO SHE NOTICES ME BEING SOME SORT OF COOL INTERNET BADASS ON A MYSETERIOUS INTERNET FORUM (LIKE EYE CATCHING IMAGES)

I ALSO GOT 2CHAN OPEN, JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK LEGIT YA KNOW?

>>34490660
Well, they had serious money constraints in the 80s and the early 90s.

I can't be the only one who thinks that Stocking looks like Powerpuff Bernkastel.

>>34489164
So /a/ wont like it then?

>>34490418

What about the one with the evil magician?

Whats funny is that was my first episode

Maybe its a parody of Moe and fanservice shows.

>>34490743
HiMM originally aired in 2005.

Oh god has it really been that long?

>>34490769
>FUCKIN PARODIES

God I hope not.
I can't stand parody anime.

>>34490769
great, we try to parody moe by adding more moe

it's like killing fire with fire

>>34490777
You don't like Gintama?

>>34490776
They were originally planning to make a sequel to Honneamise, but ran out of money. So they just made Gunbuster instead.

>>34490769
> Maybe its a parody of Moe and fanservice shows.
Hah, yeah that'd be new alright. Certainly never been done before.
Fanservice parody is just fanservice, but it's ok because it's ironic

>>34489417
>Well it IS shit. And these designs look like some 3 year old came up.
Doesn't stop people from liking K-ON

>>34490766

Oh yes I remember this one, I was surprised by the death of the magician.

>>34490804
No. I dropped it after 8 episodes of unfunniness. Fans of Gintama could probably find paint drying humorous.

>>34490804
I gotta say, Gintama was an exception for me.

>>34490660
They've always done adaptations of manga to make money for their bigger projects. Hanamaru is the most recent one.

>>34490804
Gintama is awful.

>>34490796
>implying these designs are moe

>>34490828
How about Hayate The Combat Butler?

>>34489589

Better than eating whatever shit, Kyoani comes up with just because moe moe kyun

FUCK YES, YOH YOSHINARI DOING CARTOONY SHIT

>>34489417
>And these designs look like some 3 year old came up.
Are you really serious? Why? Because they're actually stylised and cartoony and not exactly the same as 95% of the bland non-designs that anime has been churning out for decades?

>Gurren Lagann staff
>Designs look cartoony and fresh
>BAWWWWWWWW IT'S MOESHIT GAINAX IS DEAD

Seriously?

I call dibs on Panty.

>>34490894
Let me ask you a question.

Could you fap to that?
Well, could you?

>>34490805
The sequel to Honneamise only began to be planned in 1993, 5 years after Gunbuster's release. Production stopped in 1993 and Anno had nothing to do so he sat down and had a beer with some TV executive and convinced him to let Gainax have a slot, and from that came NGE.

In 1998 Gainax released a CD with storyboards, a script and several hundred pieces of art. This isn't the only time Gainax has tried to restart the project either.

>>34490911
Hey Taiga, what do you think of the chanes of YURI YURI YURI are?

>>34490927
>fappable = good
>not fappable = bad

Grow up.

>>34490119
In Japan maybe. Here it will be picked up on Adult Swim, mark my words.

so the powerpuffgirls with bernkastel and the blonde from noir
i'm ok with this

>>34489417
The style being simplistic doesn't mean a 3 year old would be able to draw it. In fact, I dare you to try and reproduce the style properly.

>>34490928
Oh, so that's what happened. My bad. Thanks for the information, by the way.

>>34490855
Funny for about 4 episodes.

>Gainax's face when they when they imagined the public's reaction to this

This looks less like moe, more like potential GAR with a girly appearance. Like Cutie Honey and probably others.

>>34490968
I just felt like throwing in some neat info and add to the whole discussion of Gainax's infamous budget problems. Sorry if I came across as elitist or anything.

Anyways, does anyone else hope they revive Honneamise? I loved the shit out of that movie.

>>34490927
I really hope you're trolling or being ironic.

>>34490940
only on fanwanking.

The style reminded me of Kaiba, so I instantly opened this thread.

Where is the boobs? A gainax project without boobs?

>>34491003
Nah, it's cool. It's fun to learn new things.

>>34491025
> reminded me of Kaiba
What the fuck

>>34490927
Now you're just being stupid.

You underestimate the power of Rule 34/alt art.

>>34490595
They should have given Gainax the PPGZ anime, and let Imaishi direct. It would have been tits!

>>34491045
Panty has boobs. Cartoony boobs, but boobs nonetheless.

>>34491048

They both look Osamu Tezuka-ish; Yoshinari is a huge fan of both PPG and Osamu Tezuka.

>>34491048

What? I'm only talking about the art.

>>34490927

What couldn't you fap to anyway?

>>34491081
Exactly. What the fuck?!

>>34491079

Isn't it sad, Tsubomi? ;_;

>>34491095

Well, like some anon said before, they both look Tezuka-ish.

>>34491096
No, I prefer it this way.

are you guys seriously not liking the show already because you cant fap to the art

>>34491095
Instead of screaming like an idiot, what is it that you don't understand?

>>34491079
Well, it IS /a/

I can trust this guy

>>34491079

Oh fuck the opening is playing in my head manually.

Some more of his stuff

>>34491003
I want them to hurry up and make Aoki Uru all ready. Looking at the art for it, looked like it would've kicked ass. And i loved Honneamise. ( Greatest movie soundtrack evar!)

>>34491136

He was probably thinking of Yu-Gi-Oh

lulz

>>34491185

Aoki Uru will never be made, bro; unless it goes all Diebuster and pisses off fans of the original.

Gainax doesn't make that kind of Honneamise-like animation anymore.

>>34491171
So how does /co/ feel about this?

Honneamise sequel that never happened

Moar art of Honneamise 2

>>34491145
All of this is drawn by him?

last one I got

>>34491252
>>34491241
Man, that looks awesome.

There's nothing wrong with hyping a new anime from Imaishi. (Especially one were Yoshinari gets a special credit.) Whether Hanamaru Kindergarten or Shikibane Hime were good doesn't matter since unlike this they were adaptations made mostly without contributions from the Gaianax staff members people care about.

>few people remember some of gainax's other animes like nadia

Nadia was huge huge hit. But if by remember you mean talk about on /a/...it's from 1990 (before many posters were born), never aired on American television (so it has no nostalgia value here) etc. It still gets discussed every now and then.

>>34491272

Yes. Yoshinari is a huge reverse-weeaboo.

>>34491272
yeah, it's from his pixiv

I hate american cartoons where they try to make it look anime like, and anime that tries to look american cartoon like.

>>34491302
Link to his pixiv please?

Anyone have a link to his Pixiv page?

>>34491405

You do know that anime was pretty much inspired by American Cartoons right?

You arn't just a retarded weaboo, surely?

>>34491405
That's because you are a fucking Weeaboo.

>>34491405
But Avatar: The Last Airbender is good.

>>34491405

Don't tell me you hate Tezuka?!

>>34491405
Teen Titans' animation style is decent actually.

>>34491405
So you don't like Megas XLR? What are you? faggot?

The only good american cartoon was Samurai Jack and Megas XLR.

>>34491564
Cool opinion, bro

>>34491564
>No mention of Dexter's laboratory

I sad.

Avatar
Teen Titans
Batman : TAS
X-men ( 90's version)
Exo-Squad
Mighty Max
Bionic Six
Ben 10

>>34491645
This list is legit until
>Ben 10
Just no.

>>34491695
Ben 10 is a decent watch...

>>34491719
If you are 10 years old who likes Naruto then yes.

>>34491564

Add PPG, Dexter's Lab, Clone Wars (2d version) and Batman TAS and you might be getting somewhere.

>/a/ doesn't remember Nadia
>1990 - before many posters were born
>no nostalgia value here
>discussed every now and then.

If you're a troll congratulations!
I want to hit you in the face with a fucking shovel!

WE NEED SOME GAINAX EDUCATION IN HERE

>>34491779

What's the trolling exactly. It was someone else that said few people remember Nadia. You know that > means that it's a quote right? That post said huge hit.

And if you don't think /a/ is filled with people born after 1990 who haven't seen an anime older than Haruhi I don't know what to tell you.

>>34491752
And fucking Gargoyles, you lout.

its from gainax so it will be awesome

>>34491438

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=461718

>It was someone else that said few people remember Nadia.

Pay attention kid. /a/=/=The world
That post only became more ridiculous when he implied that Nadia a "huge hit" Ginax show was not well know on /a/

> if you don't think /a/ is filled with people born after 1990 who haven't seen an anime older than Haruhi

...you don't even read the post do you?
Guy said most posters were born after 1990, are you actually agreeing that the majority of /a/ is less than 19 1/2 years old?

Riot Grrls? Is it 1991 again?

I'm okay with this. Make me proud Gainax.

>>34491983
no, gainax makes only shit anime

>>34492463
>are you actually agreeing that the majority of /a/ is less than 19 1/2 years old?
I think you're the one that didn't read his post.

>if you don't think /a/ is filled with people born after 1990 who haven't seen an anime older than Haruhi I don't know what to tell you.
You also apparently don't read any posts on /a/ lately, because everything about the quality of at least 60% of the posts made in the last couple of years (and this is conservative estimate) suggests this.

FUCK Y'ALLS BITCHING

WHEN DOES THIS TIGHT SHIT COME OUT

>Pay attention kid. /a/=/=The world
read this again
> But if by remember you mean talk about on /a/...
It's a discussion of /a/. If Nadia was a huge hit people obviously remembers it but not necessarily here.

>Guy said most posters were born after 1990
read again
>many posters were born
Many is not most. But being born in 1983 and being 7 years old when Nadia aired somewhere else in the world doesn't make much of a difference. /a/ is filled with high school kids.

>...you don't even read the post do you?

How ironic

>are you actually agreeing that the majority of /a/ is less than 19 1/2 years old?

Well that wasn't what the post said but

>>34492618
You spelled Kyoani wrong

>>34492749
>>34493108

Lets review
>few people remember some of gainax's other animes like nadia
What poster was replying to

>Nadia was huge huge hit.
Implying Nadias large commercial success
.
>But if by remember you mean talk about on /a
Changes topic from broad view to focused (/a/)

>it's from 1990 (before many posters were born),
implying a large number of /a/ posters are under 20
Extremely vague as to be irrefutable but the point of this matter is for it to "sound" stupid.

>never aired on American television (so it has no nostalgia value here)
implying that to have nostalgia value on /a/ a show must have been shown on American television

Questionable logic + Vague generalities + complete lack of common sense = possible troll

Problem?