Storytime thread, by the way. Not so much a story this time, but interesting, /a/-related, and worthy of discussion

I storytimed Blankets here a few days ago, but /a/ didn't like it too much, I think

>>34300084
Thanks for storytiming this, it's pretty cool :3

moar!

>>34300084
We loved it, actually. Thanks for posting it.

This guy, I don't remember his name. We went over his books in english comp. This one's pretty good. Enjoy /a/.

>>34300109

Oh good.

Always happy to share.

>>34300123

Scott McCloud. And you probably read "Understanding Comics", his first book. This is from "Making Comics", his third. His second was "Reinventing Comics", and can be skipped (it's mostly ideas about the then-new concept of webcomics that ended up being impractical)

>>34300165
That's right. Yeah, we read Understanding Comics. I've seen this too, though. My prof was a huge graphic novel nerd. Good stuff

So the manga section was a bit short. I'll go through the whole chapter, which is still /a/-related (though less obviously from here on out).

>>34300123
Scott McCloud, I think he is the "infinite canvas" guy

>>34300204

That's the one. More infamously, he thought webcomics would charge 25 cent admission fees, and that would be how people made a living. Which isn't unheard of (Digger is behind a paywall, and Narbonic used to be before it ended), but is rare.

I strongly suggest people read the Nausicaa manga. It's a lot darker than the movie, though.

I just downloaded this guy from an /ic/ thread for help with a comic, haven't read it yet but it's pretty nice that there is a manga section.

I also feel that everyone should branch out into genres they don't normally like now and then. Times a billion if any of you dorks seriously want to try a webcomic.

>>34300267
Heh, that reminds of the time i used to read the Websnark blog almost every day

Actually, the rest of that chapter's about finding the artist within you etc. Let's skip back to the chapter on world-building.

>I also feel that everyone should branch out into genres they don't normally like now and then.

This.
If it's got a good story, then I'll usually watch it, genre or fanbase be damned. But I get the feeling that a lot of other anime fans just don't want to stray outside of the little box they sample out of.

8U

>>34300339
I hear you there. I've been trying to find some Shojo titles like Tezuka's Princess Knight and Rose of Versailles but never had much luck finding them.

Also, will read Nausicaa. My main concern is with the English translations though. Did Tezuka write some of his comics in left to right or did the translators flip them? I can't bring myself to read flipped manga, it just feels unnatural and something from the past.

>>34300467

Hurm. That first panel kind of loses it's punch as a scan.

>>34300313
>>34300339
>Will it hurt or help comics.

Might as well throw this out there and generate some discussion. I'm still a bit undecided but overall manga is hurting comics. Sure you get the occasional avatar the last airbender and what not, but almost all of the anime-inspired stuff I've seen has been pretty bad. It either follows anime cues and stereotypes slavishly, or done lazily, such as kawaii uguu~ eyes plainly photoshopped over eyes.

More on following anime stereotypes. Ghost in the Shell, miyazaki movies, Serial Experiments Lain,Evangelion are all wonderful and even beautiful series partly because they reject anime stereotypes while at the same time using their trappings to form a story. Of course some of these, like Eva, are so popular that they form their own stereotypes, but that's another discussion all together.

I could be 100% wrong of course, especially since 99% of every medium is trash.

>>34300499

You kind find it both ways, I think. Tezuka's considered Great Art now, so it's not hard to find it unflipped. Check a library.

>>34300489

I think if you want to write, you should watch bad stories as well, or just watch a few episodes of some random series now and then. But experimentation is good; it leads to college lesbians.

>>34300525
Eva and Lain are the same genre. They are practically the same story.

>>34300525
if you're up for discussion, whats your honest opinion on manga like One Piece and Hunter x Hunter?

not trying to start a troll thread

>>34300598
Haven't read HunterXHunter yet, and I actually like One Piece despite all of the bashing it gets, easily the best out of the Big Three.

>>34300525

>>almost all of the anime-inspired stuff I've seen has been pretty bad.

There is a WORLD of difference between "inspired by anime" and "trying to cash in on the anime boom".

I can't find an /rs/ of it (Damn it! I wanted to storytime it), but I recommend you check out a series of graphic novels called "Flight". It's an anthology series, so you can grab a volume at random.

>>34300525
>Ghost in the Shell, miyazaki movies, Serial Experiments Lain,Evangelion are all wonderful and even beautiful series partly because they reject anime stereotypes while at the same time using their trappings to form a story

Explain thineself.

>>34300525
>Lain
uhhhhh

>>34300644
That's a pretty good distinction. I was going by the pseudo-anime stuff you used to see on Cartoon Network and the stuff that clogs up much of Deviantart. Thanks for the recommendation by the way, I'll search for it.

where can i find more of this book?

>>34300525
>[manga] follows anime cues and stereotypes slavishly

Other way around. But yea, anime is pretty derivitative -- count the number of anime original series airing right now, it's not a lot -- and the Japanese aren't exactly the most creative. Doesn't matter what the medium is, the Japanese tend to produce really samey stuff in a shockingly short amount of time.

>>34300705
hey, reboot here being heavily influenced by anime and manga

>>34300724
http://www.mediafire.com/?yjmomamznmy

Here it is.

>>34300758
thank you sir

>>34300724

http://www.mediafire.com/?ygywn4mnnd1

Also, the first book, which I think also has a longish manga section

http://rs7.rapidshare.com/files/107841157/scott_mccloud_s_understanding_comics.cbr

>>34300752
Damn, can never get the two straight. But I'm going to play the devil's advocate a bit. You can't really just apply that to the Japanese. Just look at the amount of doctor drama shows in the U.S., while on the other hand anime and manga have really far-out plots a lot of the time.

>>34300758
>>34300779
Thank you good sirs. Also for the discussion, why is it that /ic/ hates everything anime/manga related?

>>34300827
to put it into perspective, why don't we call it the

"Deviantart Effect"

>>34300752
>Doesn't matter what the medium is, the Japanese tend to produce really samey stuff in a shockingly short amount of time.

Ugh Angel from Angel Beats. Everyone is busy bawwing over her and it's just annoying. The anime was obnoxious in shoving the "look how pitiful she is" aspect down our throats.

>>34300758
>>34300779
Sweet, thanks.

>>34300598
Not him, but I think One Piece is great because it has sort of a back to the basics approach with it's story. I'll use an image in this thread to explain.

>>34300267
Let's say One Piece is on a three part branch. It's contemporaries are on part 3, with their own specialized interests and details. One Piece is somewhere between 1 and 2.

In Naruto the story is focused around Ninja and everything about the series from it's setting to how the characters fight is based on that.

In One Piece the story is about a group of pirates, but the crew can go anywhere or fight anyone. There is no set focus, just whatever Oda thinks is interesting.

It doesn't try to be deep like Naruto does. It just has fun and stays true to itself. It's fans can appreciate this and are happy people. Sure you get the kid that can't handle criticism or the over zealous fan, but that's in every fandom.

And of course it can get off track a lot and might not always be interesting - Fishman Island and Davy Back Fight/Skypiea respectively, but it's still good.

In the end it's descended from Dragonball and other martial arts titles, but it takes it's own route in things. I think titles like this are what North America needs- things closer to the source that give you a better understanding of the medium as a whole than specialized titles that might give a wrong impression of it. We might see more diversity in people who derive influence from manga than random person who likes Death Note/Fruit Basket/Naruto.

What do you see, /a/?

I see skyscrapers, from the ground towering above me

>>34300936
An aerial path way my airplane could fly through. Sort of like in Star Wars.

>>34300897
meh, some people are into that, I couldn't get past episode 1 even though a friend recommended it

>>34300927
>Not him, but I think One Piece is great because it has sort of a back to the basics approach with it's story. I'll use an image in this thread to explain.

Same here. It has this sort of whimsical feel about it, from the action to the art style. It feels like I'm a kid again when I read One Piece.

Since I put up the whole chapter, might as well also put up the chapter notes before I jump to something else

>>34300927
I disagree, One Piece, Naruto and Bleach are all very much similar, if anything, Kubo is the most spontaneous of the writers and Kishimoto the most pre-establishing. One Piece also manages to deviate heavily in so many sorts of established consistencies that actually prove detrimental to its enjoyment.

wow this guy is good. respect.

Unfortunately, this lurker has to sleep now, but thanks so much, OP.

Actually, notes are boring, and I don't have much time. To the beginning; chapter one.

>>34300897
The writer worked for Key, so what do you expect? Tone that shit down a bit. Make us feel for the character instead of saying "You should feel bad for this character" and expecting us to do just that.

>>34300807
To be honest, I haven't watched much American television in the last decade, but you do have a point. But I find the Japanese have it down to an efficient artform of slicing tropes together in a rigid pattern.

>>34300753
Early Mainframe works were god-tier and easily the best older children's show to air. Beasties and the latter seasons of ReBoot were pretty amazing.

>Actual discussion, interesting pics, and everyone is being polite

First time on nightshift /a/, feeling pretty good so far.

>>34301034
Agreed, Kubo is pretty far out there for such a mainstream writer, too bad all the twists never make sense. I'm still going with One Piece as the best of the big three however, but that's because I'm an art whore and some of the later chapters are looking just amazing.

>>34301115

>>Beasties

Canadafag detected

But yes, Mainframe was awesome.

GASHUNK

I hate random bolding in every other goddamn word. It hurts the eyes and impedes word flow. I can understand that it's meant to intonate and emphasize specific words but written language is different from spoken language, the concern should be ever so much more on diction and parsing than stupidly making random words LOLBIG.

>>34301034
As a whole Bleach and Naruto are okay, the story progression and character development is really shitty lately even for a shonen

>This thread
Oh man, now I wished I made my cause and effect essay on anime. The occupation of Japan is good all but this stuff is just gold.

Might as well give my reasons for liking manga more then comics. Manga seems like it just explores more art styles then comics, while comics all seem to be superhero stuff. But then again I'm still getting into /co/'s entry level stuff.

>>34301155

There's actually a section about that very topic in the book, in the chapter on words.

Personally, I never found it distracting, but I never felt it was an improvement.

>>34301198

>>Manga seems like it just explores more art styles then comics, while comics all seem to be superhero stuff.

You should've been here for Lost at Sea and Blankets!

Read some Vertigo, and some Indy comics. Flight. Maus. Jar of Fools.

Oh God OP's comic is in my Springboard book for school.

>subjective motion lines

JUST CALL THEM SPEEDLINES YOU DOUCHENOZZLE

After 20 pages I suddenly realised this was written left to right instead of vice versa

>>34301123
The art, really now? Oda has the worst art out of the three. His character designs are undoubtedly highly exaggerated but their consistency in depiction is horrible, it's not merely stylistic evolution mind you, Kubo is certainly the strongest when it comes to drawing characters, a point emphasized by his lack of backgrounds and Kishimoto is very well rounded, he does characters and backgrounds well and does them both himself. Oda doesn't even do his own backgrounds anymore having (as I hear) seven assistants for such purposes.

The great salience of One Piece in my opinion, lies in its appeal to youth, not merely of the youth, but to the innocent and ignorant yearnings for youthful times when things were more cut, dry and easily simplified.

>>34301232
i've only been reading manga for two years, been through maybe 100 series, all the entry level shit, mind recommending some stuff?

>>34301256

4chan is a source of education and learning

>>34301175
Bleach? perhaps, but Naruto? It's practically cookie cutter, seriously, you really can't ask for much more in a shonen.

>>34301203
>Vertigo
They the guys who made Requiem Chevalier Vampire?

>>34301034
Ultimately One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach are all children of Dragonball.

One Piece is a lot like the early half. Did you remember the times when it was about Goku trying to find something and he ran into a bunch of different fighters and battled them? When he had a bunch of funny friends and they tried to help out even when they weren't the strongest?

Naruto is a lot like the middle half. How about that tournament where they just focused on battles and training? How about the relationship between Master Roshi and Goku, which basically is the forerunner of the Master-Student theme in Naruto between everyone from Jiraiya to Kakashi to Sasuke? When rival schools were battling with their own ace and the emphasis was on becoming stronger?

Bleach is a lot like the late half. AKA Dragonball Z. The fighting is focused on one guy and his various minions. A lot of the old friends are no longer useful and newer characters are introduced as allies to help fight. People are wondering at this point why it took forever to find the Dragonballs at first and now they can find them in a day. This also the point where things feel dragged out.


Kubo feels like the most jaded of the writers. The man wrote a western themed series about trying to overcome death while trying to find a future. It bombs. Then he writes a Japanese themed series where death is treated as an everyday thing and is more about cleaning up the messes of someone else's past.

>>34301323

No. It's an imprint of DC. They made Preacher, Fables, Sandman, Y: The Last Man, House of Mystery, etc.

>>34301278
I hate that when that happens.

>>34301280
While I disagree with you on the art, you make a great point with

>The great salience of One Piece in my opinion, lies in its appeal to youth, not merely of the youth, but to the innocent and ignorant yearnings for youthful times when things were more cut, dry and easily simplified.

It's just good old fashioned superhero fun.

>>34301335
Hmm, I'll try them out. Thanks bro!

>>34300573
Story, plot, setting and genre all mean different things. They are not interchangeable.

>>34301329
>>34301329
>Kubo feels like the most jaded of the writers. The man wrote a western themed series about trying to overcome death while trying to find a future. It bombs. Then he writes a Japanese themed series where death is treated as an everyday thing and is more about cleaning up the messes of someone else's past.

Kubo wrote a book? Huh. To be honest Kubo does feel like the most intelligent of the writers, whenever someone pulls out some stupid plot twist and /a/ goes into a fury I can just imagine him laughing. Not like a troll mind you, but like he knows that he's doing a generic shonen manga and is just seeing how far he can push it. What do you think?

>>34301280
Oda's art has characters of a wide variety of shapes. In a way, it harkens back to the source that Tezuka was inspired by: Walt Disney.

Here we have some early art of Aladdin. Sure Walt didn't have any involvement in it, but it's still a great example. Look at how all the different characters have their own unique shape.

In a way it goes in the opposite direction that you see in the Branch Theory where things become more specialized and realistic. Compare Dorehoho to Lone Wolf and Club and it's Gekiga genre. One Piece goes the other direction and is more cartoony.

Also, the man can draw pretty damn good backgrounds if you want to talk art talent. I think there's a pic floating around that compares them all.

>>34301329
You're making sweeping generalizations which don't generalize the things you're trying to describe.

They're all shonen which take after the things that preceded them, that's forever a given. My previous comment didn't disagree on this point, but I think you're still very much wrong on the focuses on the 3 shonen.

>>34301329
Also everybody has a bankai

Okay, I need to sleep.

Given the discussion, here's a page further down the chapter with Luffy in it.

>>34301527
Is he referring to this?

>>34301527
Thanks OP! Normally I don't get into critical analysis stuff like this, but its all been very good. Going to download tonight!

>>34301450
I think Kubo is making money and loving his life, no seriously, he fucking enjoys his work, he probably laughs all the way to the bank.

>>34301552
I enjoy JoJo's art the most out of all the shonen stuff i've read. It sucked the first two arcs, but its gotten so epic lately. Everyone looks like the frigging statue of David.

>>34301450
If we want to talk about seeing how far you can take a shonen, we've got to look at NisiOIsin's Medaka Box.

>>34301596
Seriously, if direct comparisons are made with his other works, there is no doubt that he just dove into levels of absolute absurdity that both admonish and lavish common tropes.

>>34301588
I meant the "Oh my god" part

I had to buyfag this as a textbook for a class on comic design. I'm kind of interested to read the rest of it now. Thanks for the dump.

>>34301450
Kubo's not dumb, he knows what he's doing. I respect him as an author. He knows that this is a trade and entertaining his audience is the most important. The reactions /a/ has is exactly what he wants. I really think that he wants to milk it for all it's worth and go back and finish Zombie Powder or do something more emotional.

>>34301480
Ah, I see what you're trying to say now. Well, I'll clarify. If we take what McCloud said about how the children of earlier series tend to specialize more on a paricular part of their parent titles, then:

One Piece: Focuses on the journey part and the group of friends and the diverse group of enemies. Replaces the Journey to the West connection with a Jason and the Argonauts connection (Golden Fleece/One Piece).

Naruto: Focuses on the organized fighting part, martial art schools, and the relationships between Master and Student. Kishi's major theme in Naruto is about the "next generation", something Toriyama was getting at when "Jackie Chun" beat Goku. The Martial art schools are now fully fleshed out families of ninja with their own Jutsu.

Bleach: Focuses on the battles between a major antagonist and his goons caused by the antagonist taking someone the protagonist cared about (Vegeta taking Gohan/Byakuya taking Rukia/Aizen taking Orihime). Kubo subverts this a bit when the major antagonist (Byakuya) is not in charge, but plays it straight with Aizen later on. Compare the feelings fan have about Isihida + Renji + Etc. being useless now to how fans felt about Yamcha + Picccolo + Krillin.

>>34301762
>Raditz taking Gohan

Fixed. Damn I need to rewatch it.

>>34301602

Medaka Box has been a lot of fun to read on that count; but I wonder where it'll go after this current arc. Seems like there's a good chance it'll just fall flat on its face.

I like this thread. /a/ should definetily have more threads like this.

>>34301812
It's 3 AM here. The kids are asleep because they have school tomorrow.

>>34301830
or maybe it's just the trolls are busy fapping to release all the rage they built up earlier today

>>34301812
You'll never have these threads on daytime /a/ because of kids, normalfags, etc. Even then you still get a couple of hurr durr Wan Piss and lol moeshit people. But for the most part Night /a/ over all other /a/'s.

>>34301762
I still disagree, such large and extensive works aren't properly summarized by the mention of one or two themes, some of which you've mentioned feature only intermittently.

I believe you're just seeing connections that you yourself have taken notice of and place too acute a focus upon them. Just because you see them doesn't mean everybody can exclude all else to see the same.

But honestly now, almost all shonens end up focusing on Fighting, Friendship and Female Anatomy.

>>34301830

Almost 7am where I am.

Ha ha, college is nice.

>>34301888
5:47 A.M. here.

>>34301762
Kubo was depressed while he wrote Zombie Powder, pretty sure he dislikes the thing in comparison to his current work. And I really doubt he would meld Bleach into something he wouldn't want to work on.

>>34301762
>>34301762
Also for Naruto, the rival aspect. Tien was Goku's main rival during the tournament. Their masters hated one another despite having the same teacher. They instilled different values in their students which clashed in their battles. Do I also have to point out that the defining feature of Tien was his eyeball and Sasuke's are his eyeballs?

>>34301906
0/10
and not samefag, you know you can check right?

Wow, that whole thing was really interesting. I guess this shows why I'm not an artist - I didn't even notice stuff like the way motion is handled or shojo manga's lack of positioning. That provided a great deal of insight into exactly what, specifically, is different in manga (beyond shallow stuff like big eyes).

>>34302054
Yeah I've been hanging around /ic/ and /lit/ for the past three months trying to teach myself how to write a decent story.

Its been much tougher then expected.

>>34302093
you're better off just writing to learn, writing out the bones is a helpful book, and honestly wouldn't listen to much of what /lit/ has to say about writing

>>34301883
I know. I'm just sort of seeing things in the Branch Theory thanks to that earlier post. I think that's where our conflict is coming from.

I used Dragonball as the easiest example. I know Kubo liked GeGeGe no Kitaro but I've never read it so I can't say how it influences him.

I only use Dragonball because it's the one I know best and the one they liked the most.

I agree on the basic commonalities of all Shonen. All of them vary of course, but all Shonen Jump manga have these as their main three focus: Friendship, Effort, and Victory. They even say it themselves. You can find that in even in titles like Death Note.

>>34302127
It's more like I'm just trying to learn the basics of writing, stuff like what is a motif, themes, etc., and submitting short stories so they can criticize it. /ic/ is to teach me how to draw a decent comic.

>>34302093
Keep at it. Practice makes perfect. I haven't been to /lit/ or /ic/, but I dunno about asking for advice on an imageboard. I can't imagine ever subjecting my games to the trolls of /v/.

>>34302240
/v/ is great after 1 A.M. or so, just ignore troll threads and focus on something that /v/ adores, such as horror games, strategy games, etc. Really you have to learn the ins and outs of /v/, kinda like what you have to do with every other board.

>>34302324
THANK YOU! All /ic/ would say is hurr Loomis when I wanted even more then that. I also want to make a game someday, but I was going to make something like Silent Hill where it's scary dark and deep. But I figured making a few comics would be the best thing.

For you: Listen to critics, yes most of the time they're full of shit but you can get a lot out of them. Take Yahtzee's review of Silent Hill 2. Yes he basically jerks off the game but you can really see why video games can be art through his ranting.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/878-Silent-Hill-2

Also more recommendations would be godly.

>>34302328
Don't get me wrong, I love hanging out in /v/, but they're masters at just taking dumps on everything out there. Even if I came up with a perfect game, I'd probably get SAGE FOR INDIE SHIT.

Are the other boards not like that?

>>34302479
All the boards are kinda like that sometimes, depends on the subject really. Remember gorespammer and all of Lucky Star? Every board has its own fetishes really. You just gotta find /v/'s fetishes. Also just ignore anyone saying Sage for ____, they're almost always trolls. /tg/ is arguably the best board simply because it holds the most intelligent people, they don't fall to trolls easily.

Holy shit 4chan has formed multiple in-depth subcultures.

>>34302436
Critics like Yahtzee are great but I don't think you can go wrong by looking at what average people think. Check out www.noobtoob.com. The humour is geared towards 13-year-olds, but they're excellent about saying exactly what they like and dislike about a game. It's one of the few revew shows out there where I can think they're totally wrong about hating/loving a game but still understand how they came to their conclusion.

Incidentally, one of my perpetually-on-the-backburner projects is a survival horror game set on a rotting pseudo-70s space station where 90% of what goes on is psychological. The problem with doing a horror game with no budget is that the genre really relies on atmospheric cohesion, which is not easy to pull off if you don't have dedicated sound effects and graphic artists and writers and scripters - it feels like too much for just one man to handle.

>>34302436
Sure thing:

Non-Japanese Comics:

Transmetropolitan:
issues 0-7 http://www.mediafire.com/?xgxj2oh5tnz
issues 8-14 http://www.mediafire.com/?kgenemsxglm
issues 15-24 http://www.mediafire.com/?jj24dh1mzqq
issues 25-35 http://www.mediafire.com/?ngwunyt2jln
issues 36-46 http://www.mediafire.com/?sxttv1jeddi
issues 47-57 http://www.mediafire.com/?tvq4njnxxll
issues 58-60 http://www.mediafire.com/?ymzdzgzldhg

The Sandman:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e42bbe0d9adb50cced24a2875c7fa58e48bc08489e6923076d217c73094ddc3b

Kingdom Come:
http://www.mediafire.com/?zmmmzyyhf2y

Lucifer (Read after Sandman):
Part 1:
http://rapidshare.com/files/305880223/lucifer_-_the_morningstar_option__1_of_3.cbz
http://rapidshare.com/files/305873503/lucifer_-_the_morningstar_option__2_of_3.cbz
http://rapidshare.com/files/305896587/lucifer_-_the_morningstar_option__3_of_3.cbz

Part 2:
http://rapidshare.com/files/145945533/lucifer.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/145950814/lucifer.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/145956341/lucifer.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/145961872/lucifer.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/145967806/lucifer.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/145974030/lucifer.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/145975646/lucifer.part7.rar


Japanese Comics:

The Drifiting Classroom (A less on how to do Horror the right way):

http://www.mediafire.com/?fnmtytzdkyz
http://www.mediafire.com/?ynzy3migkzu
http://www.mediafire.com/?jmwfmdeqry5
http://www.mediafire.com/?mlz3jmhdhyg
http://www.mediafire.com/?mjimjwjzmyj
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmkqmyzyu3z
http://www.mediafire.com/?ibnmhnmjmby
http://www.mediafire.com/?qjjnktlmfhw
http://www.mediafire.com/?zmzuj5yhzym
http://www.mediafire.com/?zz3ji5wg21y
http://www.mediafire.com/?gnewyggimmm

A blog for "Alternative" Manga:
http://samehat.blogspot.com/

>>34302572
Everything on the Silver Surfer, a pretty cool and sometimes "Deep" dude:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=824993322aada1470f83d91f6dff7c38cd00a0e7ee715ead90608b7f696c2a58

Steel Ball Run, read it if you aren't:
http://www.mediafire.com/jojoproject

Hox's translations. He has very good taste in manga:
http://www.mediafire.com/hox
Blog: http://hox.fluffypress.com/

Books on weapons for realistic writing:
http://k-ebooks.blogspot.com/

>>34302704

TinTin (Lost the first four, but it's a series than can be jumped into):
TinTin 05 - The Blue Lotus:
http://www.mediafire.com/?13vjgyannqa
Tintin 06 – The Broken Ear: http://www.mediafire.com/?jzigzd5zlmd
Tintin 07 – The Black Island: http://www.mediafire.com/?yjmlmtvojtm
Tintin 08 – King Ottokar's Sceptre: http://www.mediafire.com/?li1tiotoj0t
Tintin 09 – The Crab with the Golden Claws: http://www.mediafire.com/?dwn4nmzhhln
Tintin 10 – The Shooting Star: http://www.mediafire.com/?h5ymtbj5mmj
Tintin 11 – The Secret of the Unicorn: http://www.mediafire.com/?zlmwzeyitni
Tintin 12 – Red Backham's Treasure: http://www.mediafire.com/?2my1zmihndm
Tintin 13 – Seven Crystal Balls: http://www.mediafire.com/?nz33lmmq2nz
Tintin 14 – Prisoners of the Sun: http://www.mediafire.com/?2lktmd5z3ty
Tintin 15 – Land of Black Gold: http://www.mediafire.com/?mmtragi22gm
Tintin 16 – Destination Moon: http://www.mediafire.com/?oogyto03mii
Tintin 17 – Explorers on the Moon: http://www.mediafire.com/?o4zezb40jmy
Tintin 18 – The Calculus Affair: http://www.mediafire.com/?zfxzzwkezm3
Tintin 19 – Red Sea Sharks: http://www.mediafire.com/?wywyzynyg4y
Tintin 20 – Tintin in Tibet: http://www.mediafire.com/?euxnzdzhrtk
Tintin 21 – Castafiore Emerald: http://www.mediafire.com/?a2yyem3lwix
Tintin 22 – Flight 714: http://www.mediafire.com/?dtzzjjjzmoy
Tintin 23 – Tintin and the Picaros: http://www.mediafire.com/?jingjm1h432
Tintin 24- Tintin and Alph-Art: http://www.mediafire.com/?jttzyyyd3ni
Tintin 25 – Land of Sharks: http://www.mediafire.com/?2jjzz25l3tz

Well, that should keep you busy for a while. All of them are top notch works.

i get a lot of inspiration and motivation from this comic, thanks for sharing op

>>34302555
True, but I always use people like Yahtzee as examples of "deep" critics, people who really go in depth and explore what advantages and disadvantages gaming has as an artistic medium. Stuff like noobtube is fine, hell, even great for getting feedback on gaming mechanics and tinkering with various gameplay issues. I just use people like Yahtzee when I'm concentrating on the overall issues like atmosphere or plot coherency. For a great review of plot check out Spoony's stuff on FFVIII.

http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-viii/

Your idea about horror in space reminds me of System Shock 2 and Dead Space. But yeah horror is incredibly hard to establish without all those people helping you. You'd have to do it all yourself, much like Pixel the creator of the indie game cave story did.

Since I'm still learning the ins and outs of story writing I can't tell you about making that. But I'm going to say the same thing you said to me, just get feedback from people. 2-6 P.M. /v/ is great for this, just give a general plot summary and say, show off a character or monster design. When you get done with that ask 10:00 P.M. to 6:00 A.M. about your plot, give them an in-depth summary and they'll probably either help you fix it or help you manage the overall picture (i.e. how the player interacts with the game, what connections the monsters looks have with the game, etc.)

>>34302781
Yahtzee is really nothing more than another entertainer with a pretense as a critic, his focus merely happens to be videogames, his gags are really nought but scathing commentary and sexual tangents because that's simply what amuses people.

>>34302572
>>34302704
>>34302728
HO
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SHIT

This was unexpected. Thank you so much!

>>34302860
Eh, most of his reviews are basically that, which is why I don't like him as much as, say, Spoony. To really get the most out of Yahtzee you have to listen to the reviews of things he honestly enjoys like the SH review. Other then that you can disregard him.

>>34302555
If you want to learn some good Psychological Horror, watch the Twilight Zone. It holds up amazingly well, although I'm not sure about the 80's episodes. Some of the episodes of Doctor Who also have a pretty big focus on horror, like "Blink".

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3709766/Doctor_Who_2007_3x10_Blink_%5BHerMes%5D

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_horror_writers

Junji Ito is pretty well liked on /a/. Read Uzumaki

http://www.mediafire.com/?njzmnydqzym
http://www.mediafire.com/?02mhiczycym
http://www.mediafire.com/?zgevbwmjgly

>>34302880
Not a problem Anon. People trying to create things need to stick together.

>>34302983
Thank you, this will keep me busy for quite a while. I love Junji Ito, especially the one story about the boy with pimples.

>>34302983
Thanks. Horror is a new genre for me, so that sort of thing is exactly what I need to really figure out how to establish atmosphere.

>>34303062
This is going to sound trollish, but read guro artists. If you need a scary "gross out" moment, no one can do it better then them.

http://flying-teapot.blogspot.com/search/label/Guro

I'd also recommend looking at the general "manga" section, has some good eerie atmospheric manga

BRB getting more recommendations.

>>34303171
Thanks but fuck no. I'm pretty squeamish about blood and have never actually included it in a game, and I don't intend to start. I know, horror game without blood sounds insane, but it would be boring to just try to compete with the likes of Dead Space. Plus I'd fail.

Got any suggestions on psychological horror, where most of it is going on inside the characters' heads?

>>34303062
Ah, here we go.

http://librosgratisweb.com/pdf/king-stephen/danse-macabre.pdf

Danse Macabre by Stephan King. /lit/ usually hates King for writing himself into a corner and sometimes spending waaaay too much time in the beginnings of his stories setting up his characters. However you can't beat his short stories, YOU CAN'T. Danse Macabre is his analysis of the horror genre as a whole. It concentrates much more on American horror more then the subtle Japanese horror SH, Fatal Frame, etc. are known for. Still easily the best analysis of general horror I've ever known. Gives many good recommendations for further reading.

Now I gotta go to class. Good luck bro :D

>>34303062
>>34303003

No problem. Try to read actual horror literature like I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Easily one of my favorite stories:

http://rapidshare.com/files/248426676/harlan_ellison-i_hav_no_mouth_and_i_must_scream.pdf

http://rapidshare.com/files/364233400/2-_i_have_no_mouth__and_i_must_scream__by_harlan_ellison.mp3.h
tml

There's an old DOS game that's my main inspiration. You'll need the .iso and a program called ScummVM to play. This is easily one of the most disturbing things I've read, and great for learning!

You can also ask /lit/ for good horror stories. I'm sure they know, they're nice guys. It might not hurt to browse TVTropes too, I find a lot of stuff there. This page might be a good place to start:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FearTropes

Once you cross into TVTropes though, prepare to lose many hours of your life.

>>34303260
>>34303210
I'm serious, if you're going into horror READ THIS BOOK! The man knows his stuff. Had fun man but now I gotta go.

>This thread
This is the reason I still come to 4chan, this stuff is awesome!

>>34303171
Interesting blog, Anon. Have this one in return:

http://kurutta.blogspot.com/

This thread has turned out great.

>>34303210
Obviously, if blood is something that would make you squeamish, then Guro would be the PERFECT recommendation for a psychological horror. It's not just about the blood spattered everywhere, but you yourself admitted that you're unsettled by it and there are obviously others like you. Using that simple knowledge, it's quite easy to get under someome's skin by showing them something that creeps them out, no?

I know that this might not convince you to try Guro, but if you were to change your mind, the first, if rather drastic, place to start readin gup on this stuff is School Girl in Concrete. It's so fucked up that you'll hate yourself AND me when you're done with it.

>>34303340
Looks good, thanks!
>>34303353
Know that I think of it, even though part of SH's scares were due to its subtle scares, they heavily implied love via the rust. Though that could be a message for decay.

>>34303402
>love
Meant blood, sorry for the hurr durr

>>34303467
Paging Freud...

I'm not too big on guro myself, but to each their own.

A lot of the older PC games seem to have an aspect of horror in them, like Fallout. It's unsettling in it's own way, even though it can be gory at times. (Play as Kenshiro by having the Bloody Mess trait and focusing on Hand to Hand combat.)

Old comics are the same

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Crypt_%28comics%29

The stories stand the test of time. They are still pretty damn creepy at times. There's a reason why that one fag made an uproar that got the comic code installed that made it so only Super Hero comics were viable.

Old Pulp stories are also very violent and horrific at times. Look up The Spider and the works of H.P. Lovecraft. They are my main inspirations next to old DOS games like IHNMMS.

>>34303641
Modern comics like Hellblazer are the successors to the 50's horror comics.

Hellblazer 1 - 24
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5XW9V4UT
Hellblazer 25 - 27
http://www.mediafire.com/?bmjomgw82t5
Hellblazer 28 - 80 .rar (484.88 MB)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ICXQ2Z40
Hellblazer 81 - 135.rar (483.5 MB)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=93OBVIQI
Hellblazer 136 - 200.rar (439.42 MB)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDA61JL6
Hellblazer 201-237.rar (425.45 MB)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CR07CJIM
Hellblazer 238 - 246
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=748VKWZ6

Also, Wiki to the rescue again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_anime_and_manga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_novels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_comics_in_the_United_States,_1947%E2%80%931954
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_games

Read or play anything you can! It opens up what you can think of when it comes to horror.

Every Anon should read this, though.

Just to say they have. It's crazy shit.

Fuck. Best thread in a long time.

Thanks OP.

Helter Skelter by Okazaki Kyoko
http://www.mediafire.com/?tylmhjfvkj4

Pet Shop of Horrors
http://www.mediafire.com/?5tli5zatltz
http://www.mediafire.com/?cjmmebpy1um
http://www.mediafire.com/?0nn1nzltsra
http://www.mediafire.com/?abnnzz8zyjl
http://www.mediafire.com/?3jgxwm25yw0
http://www.mediafire.com/?dmg4gzz143m
http://www.mediafire.com/?enwktwlnomt
http://www.mediafire.com/?dtmjbvtbnyv
http://www.mediafire.com/?49wn04qu9gi
http://www.mediafire.com/?2y9311mzznj

why do western comic fags bold random wrods
sage for pretentious shit

>>34304519
Oh look, the kids are up at last.

>>34304494
Thanks for the links. Will check out.

>>34304611
I'm not a kid I'm 24 :3

>>34304667
Oh, okay. A manchild then.

Anyways, archive anyone?

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/a/thread/34299962

>>34304494
>>34303993

Best posts in this thread.

>>34304841
Good job anon.

>>34305052
Just for reference, this is automatic. If you have the number of the opening post of any /a/ thread, you can recover it with this site.

>>34305123
Arrgh.. I confused it with the archive submission for 4chan where you have to actually make a request for that. Nonetheless, it gave me an easy bookmark.

>>34304494
>>34303993
I you like those you should check out Bradherley's coach