>BUY DVDS SO I CAN KEEP MY JOB

kiss my ass faggot

>"If people don't resist the urge to get their fix illegally, the entire industry is about to fizzle out."

What industry? The anime industry in Japan is fine, you shouldn't have taken a job in the dubbing industry in the first place.

>"I can guarantee you that this time next year, Bang Zoom won't be bringing you anymore English language versions of it."

YES. THANK YOU.

I love how he acts like the American industry dying will change anything

They obviously have some amount of people paying for their crappy product.
Little do they know, they wouldn't get a cent from me even if there wasn't a better way to get the anime.

Maybe we'll finally get subs released on DVD in the US on par with Japan.

>>34028258
>>34028268
Fucking agreed, the anime industry does not give a slightest shit about the Western market.

And nothing of value was lost.

>>34028303
I'd probably actually purchase my favorite series in that case.

For now bang zoom can go suck a fat cock.

>No more dubs
Good

>eric p. sherman

P. SHERMAN, 42 WALLABY WAY, SYDNEY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jh77_yJca4

only good thing to come from them

Who the fuck is Bang Zoom anyway? This proves how relevant your dubs are to me, CEO.

>less dubbed shit
Time to open a bottle of champagne, bros.
Will a Dom Pérignon suffice?

To be fair, the anime industry will suffer for this. If people aren't purchasing the insanely expensive licenses to port the work, the Japanese animation industry does suffer a very healthy bonus it gets after a work is completed.

On the flip side, maybe they will actually distribute works in the US with subs on their own in a reasonable amount of time and put a bit of faith in the foreign market. I'd sure as hell buy Sora no Woto on DVD.

GOOD.

By the time an anime comes out for sale as a boxset in my country it's been 2-3 years since it aired in Japan. Fuck the dubbing industry.

>>34028307
Yes it does. Stop thinking that it doesn't

>>34028307
>the anime industry does not give a slightest shit about the Western market.
hurrrrrrrrrrrr

Kill confirmed.

>>34028383

>>34028431
They won't distribute here because they don't really want us to even have anime

Likely the only reason they allow dubs to come over is the money involved

>>34028472
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-01/n-america-2007-anime-market-pegged-at-us$2.8-billion

Note the chart. Character goods cannot be pirated.

I'll start buying DVDs when they get localized within a reasonable time and don't cost $100 or so for the entire thing. Until then, pic related.

>>34028431
Have you seen the quality of "official" subs? Until they hire fansub groups, I'm not even considering it.

ITT: people who wouldn't buy DVDs even if they were cheap and sub-only

>>34028519
>Implying character goods can't be pirated.
Not downloaded? Sure. Not pirated? lol no.

Good
Doesn't affect me in the slightest

>>34028569
Hey, I can get it for free without leaving my house.

Get them to sell it in my room and then I'll buy the subs.

Fuck that.

Maybe if anime DVD's over here were cheaper I'd actually buy them.

Basically the only place to buy anime DVD's here in Australia is from Madman Entertainment online, which sources dubs from Fumination mostly.

Do you guys know how much they cost?

70$
for 24 episodes

ARE
YOU
FUCKING
KIDDING
ME

When will they realise that people don't want it in english? Only a very tiny few want english. Their own fault for not realising that they have a really small niche within a niche. I'm happy with my DVD and BR rips when they come out. Not paying $30 for 4 episodes (that's what many titles are here in aus).

>>34028519
Yes, and they still make a lot off DVD sales. DVD sales will always be a lot smaller than merchandise sale. But DVD sales still affect Japan.

Escaflowne got a film made because of the VHS sales in America as well as it's popularity in Korea.

Big O! got a second season because of its popularity in America, etc

>>34028599
>70$
>for 24 episodes
Seems perfectly reasonable to me you tight arse cunt

>>34028599
That is what happens when you have a monopoly on the market.

>>34028543
>implying fansubs aren't horrible

>>34028599
>Basically the only place to buy anime DVD's here in Australia is from Madman Entertainment online
You used to be able to buy it from HMV or Ebgames and I think EzyDVD. But that was before every second anime was moeshit.

>>34028599
Don't you pay over $100 for videogames? How is that not a good deal

>>34028583

>>34028406
Dom Pérignon~

I think there still is some market for dubs, though I won't make any estimations on how big it might be. I have friends that absolutely love anime - have probably seen as much as I have, and I've seen a fair bit - but straight up will not watch something subbed. Says the subs go by too quickly.
Of course, these guys are also LOLstreaman, so I'm sure their opinion doesn't count.

>>34028630
Most western TV boxsets run for $40-50.

>>34028569
4 subbed episodes on blu ray for 10 dollars and I would buy for sure. It also needs to be released no later than a week after it airs on Japanese TV.

I still have a few DVDs from when I was young and stupid enough to pay 25 dollars per DVD.

OP is a loser. Seriously, ugh.

>>34028658
WHAT KIND OF GAME REQUIRES 100 USD

>>34028599
70/24=2.8 dollars per episode.

That would mean 11 dollars for 1 DVD. That seems reasonable.

>>34028658

I've never bought a game for more than $80, and that's only something I'm DESPERATE for, or can't find a vpn network to play on. Other wise most games I play are $20 - $50 and I play them ALMOST EVERYDAY, and have done for YEARS. The length of time is completely different.

>$30 for 4 episodes

I remember $30 for 3 episodes being the standard. And I was happy to pay it! I'm also the guy who gladly forked over $150 for Slayers Next.

Ahh 2001.

>>34028697
>4 subbed episodes on blu ray for 10 dollars and I would buy for sure.
why so poor?

/thread

old news is old news

>>34028704
Ausfalia dollars, while Americans pay $60 maximum, Australians pay over $100 sometimes up to $150 so I've seen

I would buy DVD's if dubs weren't so goddamn awful.
Reminds me of the russian Haruhi dub. That one was actually good.
video related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVl-VwmAMI

>>34028677
Wait, are they lolstreaman subs? Because most of the official dub streaming I've seen is only for the first few episodes.

>It also needs to be released no later than a week after it airs on Japanese TV.

It seems to me the only way this would be possible would be if the original studio/channel was running the show. And I think Japanese distributors getting into the game directly would hurt us overall - it's one thing for them to turn a blind eye to the fansubbing community now since once a U.S. distributor has licensed a property, they've got their money and could probably care less. If their sales were more directly affected, I think they'd be a bit more inclined to crack the whip.

>>34028657

EB, HMV, game and gametraders all still sell a VERY tiny 'selection' mostly bleach, naruto, op and EL are the only things I've ver seen on their shelves.

Why would i want to buy dvds anyway? They take up space in my bookshelf, i have to switch discs in the middle of a marathon, i have to change the subtitle/language settings every time i start a disc, dunno how its for anime but i guess they also have unskippable intros and piracy warnings and shit.

I'd rather have my HDDs full of anime and i can just make a playlist with one click and watch it on my TV.

What's the big deal? Not like half the piratefags here would buy anything no matter what.

Also, some people would rather have a decent dub than read along with moonspeak babble if it can be helped.

Also inb4
>decent
>dub
>reactionimage.jpg

>>34028652
>implying HK bootleg subs count as fansubs

>>34028738
Attention Russiafags: please come to US and teach our industry how to dub. ;_;

>>34028742

Nah, they watch shitty quality TV rips.

>>34028515
>They won't distribute here because they don't really want us to even have anime
Probably this. Some licenses actually piggyback other, shittier shows and very hard to pitch to western audiences. Makes me think Japan is trolling those guys, too.

>if it can be helped.

It can't be helped.

>>34028784
The very main reason I download fansubs is because I don't wanna wait a fucking year for the DVD

If anime was released here MUCH faster and a lot cheaper I would probably still download fansubs no lie, but I would be buying more DVDs/blu rays for sure.

>It also needs to be released no later than a week after it airs on Japanese TV.

They tried that last year on crunchyroll and such. It didn't make any money, so this season there's hardly any simulcasts.

>>34028182
What the fuck? Anime dubs are good, faggots. Anime DVDs are dual audio. Why the fuck don't you want a dub on there as an EXTRA? Also, some dubs sounds better than the Japanese audio (e.g. Cowboy Bebop).

Faggots.

>>34028677
It's an accessibility thing. If it's a dub it's likely more people will be able to watch, so there will always be a market for dubs.

The reason why anime isn't selling very well is because it's being especially catered to a small group of people that, while they do buy, makes anime less accessible to more people.

Gah, I honestly just don't watch anime anymore unless it's old shows that have been recc'd to me.

>>34028801

I would by it at a reasonable price. $20 for a season at most because I only get 6 - 8 hours of runtime. But because we have such a shit capitalistic society were a 'box office' movie first hits DVD it can be $30+ for a 90 minute movie.

We have to wait for another year? :(

>>34028865

I'm not waiting the possible YEARS for it to get 'dubbed' which I DO NOT WANT I'm not paying for something I do not want.

>>34028865
Generic reply is expected.

>>34028601
Most of the people I know who are really into anime clubs and cons are almost completely dub-only. You know those girls that walk around spouting 'baka' and 'kawaii'? I don't even know where they picked those words up, because most of them watch only dubs.

That's why they only watch shitty shows that have already been licensed and dubbed.

>>34028784
its being done by animax to FMA:B
but only subs though

>>34028865

>>34028865
Dubbing isn't free. It adds thousands to the cost of production. This is why all the more niche titles are now sub-only.

>Read post on ANN forums

Hilarious.

You people are to cheap anyway, but its not like it matters

>Be collector
>Import Anime DVD/Blurays from Japan
>Be completely unaffected by any of this

Feels good man

>>34028789
Fucking this.

>>34028865

Because dubbing adds cost (rent/buy a recording studio, hire voice actors, etc.) to a release. Cost that inevitably gets passed to the consumer. People get irritated at being asked to pay for something they themselves will not enjoy or use.

>>34028923
You mean all of them? This shit's been reposted plenty of times now, the replies to each thread have been roughly the same.

A question. Why dub in the first place? It's clear everyone prefers subs, would be cheaper, and voice-acting is atrocious. So...Why, again?

Even in Singapore, craptastic company doesn't bother to dub- They just steal fansubs from online.

I'll never buy an R1 DVD because of the terrible technical quality (lol MPEG-2 video, lol AC3 audio, lol piss-yellow aliased VobSubs) plus the fact that basically no R1 company in existence knows how make a soft-telecined DVD. Tells a lot about their technical incompetence.

I'll rather stick to my softsubbed H.264 MKVs and enjoy the superior quality.

That's what you get for not licensing Kaiba and Dennou Coil you filthy phillistine fucks.

>>34029007
>everyone

/a/ is not everyone. Not everyone's a gigantic weeaboo faggot.

I will never buy an R1 disc because I will never buy anything an American plebeian has manufactured.

>>34029035
>implying anyone over here would have bought it

I can't even think of anything they've licensed.

I don't care about dubs in the slightest. I defiantly approve of the move towards those Sentai Filmworks-style $20-30 box sets. That's how it should be.

Just here to remind everyone complaining about prices in this thread that Japanese K-ON Blu-Rays are $80 each. Two episodes.

Prices are not the biggest problem with these companies.

>>34029007

The notion that generating sufficient sales to stay in business (DVD sales, and if you're lucky being picked up for TV) requires reaching out to casual fans, which means English.
1) getting people to take cartoons seriously -> hard.
2) getting people to watch foreign language film -> hard.
Doing both at the same time? I'd imagine it's hard.

>>34029007
>It's clear everyone prefers subs
As much as I prefer subs, this is very wrong. The vast "silent" majority prefers dubs. Vocal fans on the internet prefer subs. Guess who buys more DVDs? Who makes Afro Samurai and History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi top selling titles?

>>34028980
Yeah, well, I live in Singapore, so I get to purchase non-dubbed shit anyway.

>>34029092

That's just because Elevens are stupid.

Just stop dubbing shit, saves them lots of money, release it faster, release it as a boxset straight away for $50 or whatever and surely sales would be better. Advertise anime on jrpg websites.

>>34029093
And do people have the incentive to try and do these things other than money? The CEO probably doesn't give a slightest shit about anime and just spouts this shit because he's losing money.

Majority of western anime fans prefer dubs.

And that's the sad truth

We're just really fucking vocal about our opinion.s

>>34029164

Does anyone have an incentive for doing ANYTHING that doesn't come down to money?

>>34029191
We know what's right and wrong.

> so far, there are no successful ways to monetize online entertainment. Not so that creators can afford to produce and distribute quality content.

Wut? Love them or hate them, Crunchyroll seem to be doing OK. Funimation are streaming stuff. Outside of anime, Hulu seem to be doing OK too. Am I missing something here?

English dubs are fine for shows that aren't Otaku uguuu moeshitfests.

You know, with some minor cuts to the fanservicey bits, like the closeup on Mio's boobs, Mugi's yuri goggles, and references to maid cafes, K-ON could easily be marketed as a Hanna Montana-ish girl's show. That's where the real money is.

Still, on the whole I find the death of the western anime industry sad. Who among us hasn't thought at one point or another how awesome it would be to do something you love for a living? Making money or not, I have to believe that many if not most people in the industry started out this way.

>>34029246
AW HELL NO DON'T YOU FUCKING MENTION IT.

>>34029191
Fucking bullshit, the majority are pirating from the streamfag gaiatards to the weeaboo fucks over here.

Only one buying dvds now are people trying to get jobs in the R1 industry.

>>34029276
In fact, you could probably do it with most of the "group of girls living everyday high school lives" moemoe animu that we've seen in recent years. Something like Railgun would be harder, what with the Kuruko antics. Maybe it would just be easier to cut her out of the show entirely and focus on the superpower crime fighting. Also no shower/bath/onsen/beach episodes.

This is exactly the same as those news that say that the Game "Industry" is dieing.

Nothing but the small fries bitching about natural selection.

It's not the Anime "Industry" that is dieing. The shit studios are dieing who produce shit shows that nobody buys. People do buy good shows. They download it first, deem if it's worthy, then buy it if it's good.

In the world of fancy covers and liar descriptions, piracy is the only thing that allows people to judge an anime before buying it. Like hell I will buy something before seeing if it's good. I don't care if five million people worked on it. If a studio prouces shit, that studio must DIE. If they want money, they have to put effort into their work.

Sorry. This is the New World Order. The "Industry" fucked around with us consumers for too long. We will no longer buy shit.

And yes; WE decide what is shit. And yes; we have the right to decide it BEFORE buying it.

Almost all of my best anime memories are from dubs. Toonami, Fox Kids, Kids WB, Adult Swim, Sailor Moon, Ronin Warriors, G-Force, Robotech, Samurai Pizza Cats, all dubs. All great shows.

If it weren't for dubs, I wouldn't be here, you wouldn't be here, and this board most likely wouldn't be here. Stop sucking the cock of glorious nippon, quit your local Ivory Tower's Anime Club, and remember where you came from.

The death of the dub industry is a fucking shame, and I hope it does not come to pass.

>>34029354
So you mean, uh, remove half the show?

>>34029145
>Just stop dubbing shit
A lot of companies do. The only one that still dubs everything is Funi.
>release it faster
They would if they could, but the Japanese companies make them wait. Japanese fans could go easily export American DVDs for much cheaper than buying it locally and so, the Japanese companies make the lincensors wait.
>release it as a boxset straight away
They are doing that.

>>34029215

But the majority of us don't buy anything

Hell I only buy figures and manga, I won't go fucking near DVDs. And I put a lot of fucking money into it. Neither of which helps anime at all. (Figures are either imports or some a crazy old lady that buys and sells em at a market.. how the fuck she stays in business is beyond me)

>>34029229

Crunchyroll doesn't make that much money, but they're on the right track.


There needs to be something like Steam is to video games.

Allows people to buy episodes/series, and always have that shit linked to an account, and able to download at any moment.

rent/stream for like 3 bucks, own/download for 5/6

Fucking fund it

>>34029357
I wasn't here because of dubs because I'm not a native American, bitch.

Anime has been an integral of my culture and I could give less of a shit if crap I never watched died.

Besides, the death of dubs would mean less weeaboos.

I suppose I can rationalize the whole 'fansubs = try before buy' idea. Elevens get to watch shows on TV - if it's a decent-but-mediocre show, they watch, enjoy, then move on. If it's good, they'll buy the DVDs.

I don't know. I just see the US anime fandom being too much "LOL I r poor college student, got to spend my money on other stuff" to buy even small amounts of official DVDs.

>>34029385

So because people you dislike enjoy something you don't make use of, you don't care if it ceases to exist.

Classy.

>>34029367
Oh, you're right. well, we can always fill in the gaps with random footage from other shows! Just re-jigger the script to tie the different clips together. In fact, Index would be the perfect source. You could end up with the Railgun/Index Power Half-Hour.

>>34029355
>In the world of fancy covers and liar descriptions, piracy is the only thing that allows people to judge an anime before buying it
Except a number of companies such as Funi let you view shows on their website for free via streaming. If you're watching a show that isn't/won't be licensed, fair enough, but otherwise, you can't really use that argument.

>>34029441
I'm an [a/non, what do you expect from me?

>>34029357
>If it weren't for dubs, you wouldn't be here
Except that I'm not an american and I didn't get to hear your glorious English dubs. All I got was terrible Finnish dubs whose voice actors were changed every second episode. Some stuff aired in Japanese with subs though. So yeah, I would be here even if there weren't English dubs.

>>34029451

>Implying that Robotech isn't something magical and worthy of all the love it's accrued over the years

>Implying I wouldn't watch the SHIT out of a A Certain Musical School Club

>>34029413
If I were a buyfag I'd import directly from Japan and use fansub scripts, even if it cost me more.

>>34029461
Yeah, well, I don't like their subs.

Remember Death Lord? Fucking god...

>>34029451
And then K-on! was Robotech.
The end.

>>34029464

Why are you posting in a thread about the death of American-made english dubs if you never watched American made english dubs and don't care about American made english dubs or the people who watch them?

I've been watching anime for years and haven't purchased a single thing. Feels good man.

>>34029510
Not him but I laugh at bastards who bastardize anime.

I buy shows and movies that I know I like and I know I'll be able to re-watch, providing the price point is right. Dubs don't interest me either way, if its there, I just wont watch it. I've been loving it since the trend for cheap box sets started. I'm loving my Hidamari x365 DVDs. I'll even import Japanese R2s, CDs and books if I know I'm not going to get it over here.

I don't know what more these people want from me as a consumer. I'm not buying things just out of some moral obligation to your company or the industry.

>>34029485
And Robotech along with some other loose adaptations, kick-started the anime industry. Therefore, A Certain Musical School Club is inevitably the key to reviving the current anime industry and bringing in some much-needed new blood to the buyfag portion of the fanbase.

>>34029481
Then you're just being a picky bitch and have no right to try and take any sort of moral high ground.

The average 720p TV rip looks better than DVDs these days.

I wouldnt buy dubs for the simple fact that johnny yong bosch uses the same voice in every single dub he does...

Yes, i wouldn't buy DVDs even if they were sold in my room for toe cheese, why waste so much plastic and burn so many fossil fuels in order to make a product that I'll probably never use twice and doesn't biodegrade?

I wonder if they really sit around thinking," Jee, why do 75% of anime watchers download illegally, and what they do download isn't even dubbed!"

If they really don't know that their dubbing and censorship has a tendancy to completely fuck up a decent anime, I'm not sure if I even give a shit if the entire 'western anime industry' collapses in on its fake foundations.

As long as we dont nuke japan again, there will still be anime, so in the words of john stewart, go fuck yourself.

I would support dubs if most of them weren't terrible.

Some examples:
Azumanga Daioh
Haruhi
Lucky Star
Higurashi
Some of the gundams
Elfen Lied
Abenobashi
Many more......

Halfway decent dubs:
Bebop
Trigun
Outlaw Star
Mushishi
G Gundam and some others
FMA (not brotherhood)
.hack//sign
death note (it was meh not great but better than most attempts)
Probably a bunch I'm forgetting.

>>34029510
>if you never watched American made english dubs
I have, but not in my childhood, which was the point of the post I was replying to.
>don't care about American made english dubs or the people who watch them?
I care about the people who watch them, because they keep asking here what shows have good dubs, and I happen to hate recommendation threads.

If Bang Bang Zoom or whatever releases the dub of the second season of Haruhi, I'll buy it. Other than that, none of their products interest me. Too bad.

>>34029461
Oh yeah! I can't wait to watch these free streams... oh wait, I'm geoblocked from accessing their entire site.

And even if I could watch them, FUNi's streams are fucking hideous quality. Picture fucking related.

I don't buy anything because I don't like DVDs.

the only decent dub i ever saw was Ghost in the shell... and that only counts for the main cast

side character voices still sucked

>>34029609
>>34029609
>>34029679
>>34029679
How could I forget GitS.

Excellent dub.

>>34029461

Of course, but there is no difference between watching it online, or watching it on my computer at larger resolution and with better subs, if I intend to buy it anyways in case it's good.

And before you go there, I don't care about people doesn't intend to buy it. It's their problem.

If the stream would be good, or if they would air some shows in my country, I would watch it there. But until stream reaches the quality of fansubbed mkv, ie.: until what I see will be a fair representation of what I would get if I buy the DVDs, I will go with the fansubbed mkv.

Nevetheless, there is still a great FAIL there on the side of the distributors anyways.

You cannot "fight" against piracy. It's a lost war. You can only win by making piracy unnecessary. Which is what some stream sites are trying to pull now, it was about time, but they still haven't reached the level of which we are used to.

The fucking faggotry is that if they do, then pirating and fansubbing will be at least 50% less necessary.

This entire shit is still just the small fries bitching that their shit low-budget anine isn't selling.

And yeah, they will die out. Gonzo died too. Anyone cried? I drank champagne.

>>34029662
Here's a TVrip for comparison.

>>34029609
yu yu hakusho wasnt bad either, same with big o and samurai champloo

>>34029609

I'll give you Elven Lied and Higurashi because those were legitimately bad, but what was wrong with Haruhi, Lucky Star and Azumanga?

If you say "localization," "they tried to translate the jokes," or anything else along those lines, prepare for me to scoff at you.

>>34029720
Samurai Champloo's rap scene was hilarious.

>>34029726
50 year old woman playing teenagers.

>>34029726
No, no, no, the jokes kind of hard to be changed due to language.

My problem was most of the voices were quite annoying and a few of them just felt so out of place.

Also wendee lee.

>>34029726

Azumanga was terrible, but I don't see what was wrong with Lucky Star or Haruhi. They were both really good.

>>34029622

>I care about the people who watch them, because they keep asking here what shows have good dubs, and I happen to hate recommendation threads.

...you know, that's completely fair. Its not really on point to the conversation, but its a legitimate gripe and I understand it. Carry on sir.

>>34029753
>50 year old woman playing teenagers.
>implying that the Japanese don't do the same thing

>>34029726
Five words: Including honorifics in the dub.

That was the case with Lucky Star at least.

Besides that, >>34029753

>>34029726
They didn't even try to translate the jokes at all.

Companies will continue with their "We're not doing as good as we want to, even though we didn't earn it, because of 'The Pirates'! They also raped my wife and gave my dad cancer!"

Buyfags will continue with their "You fucking dipshit spoiled fucking brats!! You only pirate to show off!! Stop fucking pirating NOW!!!!"

People who download anime will continue to download anime, because that's the most comfortable avenue for watching the anime they're interested in.

Nothing ever changes.

>>34029796
>>34029753
The problem is she tries too hard and ends up sounding like a 50y/o trying to sound like a teenager.

Bad voice actor is bad.

>>34029828
But you don't even know what a real Japanese teenager would sound like. For all you know, all of your favourite VAs sound like 50 year old women.

>>34029857
Pretty sure Japanese teenagers don't have something "deep" about their voice that makes them sound older than they are.

>>34029796
They usually don't.
They really, really rarely do that.

>>34029857
>But you don't even know what a real Japanese teenager would sound like.

>>34029796
You know, they don't

>>34029857
>implying japanese VAs for teenage girls are in their 50s

>>34029803

Honorifics are a very touchy subject. It seems like every fan and every translator has their own personal opinion on which ones to leave in, which ones to translate, which ones to ignore, which ones to try and simulate with some English equivalent, blah blah blah. I can understand it offending you on a personal level, but I don't think it goes to the quality of the dub.

As for the old women playing young girls thing... I dunno, I feel like English fans are just way to fucking critical on that front. They WANT to hate the english VAs and that colors their opinion.

From Azumanga, I thought Chiyo, Tomo, Yomi and Sakaki all did an excellent job. Osaka could have been a little better, but I was charmed by her accent so I gave her leeway (HATERS. GONNA. HATE.)

Kaorin and Kagura were the only major characters I felt really missed the mark. (Yukari and Nyamo of course didn't have the teen problem and were awesome)

>>34029998
Something about their tone of voice, almost all of the characters that is, sounded very very off.

I will give credit where credit is due though, whoever did the teachers did an excellent job.

>>34028599
>>34028599
>>34028599
>>34028599

what? thats fucking good. Here its 30$ per DVD which has like 4 episodes..I bought the 1+2 DVD of code geass for 70$

I'm eating them. Dem delicious dubfags tears.

General rule of thumb about dubs: older and foreign characters often sound better in dubs than younger teenage girls.

Adult, foreign characters > foreign characters > adult characters > teenage boys > teenage girls

At least, IMO. Western VAs simply cannot voice teenage girls even if their lives were at stake.

>>34030063
Not sure where you live, but in the US it's $20-70 per box set (varies) and $13-20 per DVD (also varies).

>>34030095
>>34030095
If they play a character that is around their age (give or take 10-15y/rs), they sound fairly decent.

I notice most Japanese VAs for teenage girls are not over 30, same for the guys.

I also notice most English VAs for teenage girls and guys are over 30, many over 35.

>>34030095
I'm inclined to agree.

>>34030114
>>34030114

Canada. Our dollar is almost the same as yours and we're still paying shit load a lot more on stuff. My family and I go shopping in the US cause everything is so much cheaper. Ex a shirt in US is 40$ brand name, Canada same shirt brand name 80$ GG.

>>34030218
Crossing the border to shop?

Sounds like when people from MA and ME come to my state to buy soda/beer because there's no sales tax.

>>34029998
No matter how you prefer your honorifics, I think you'd agree that JAPANESE HONORIFICS DO NOT BELONG TO SPOKEN ENGLISH.

I mean what the fuck. If you seriously say that it'd ever be a wise decision to include FOREIGN HONORIFICS in a dub, I'm going to personally slap your shit.

>>34030278
I agree.

However, I also agree that the honorifics should not be translated into english.

IE: "Ms. Yukari, Miss Sakaki"

>>34030278
Daiz-kun stop being a baka.

>>34030218

Yeah. Like 1 hr&1/2 to reach border, usually head towards new york to shop, total of around 7 hours just to shop. it's worth it we save like 50% of we would've spent in Canada. + it boosts your economy i guess..

>>34030278

I think you're right 90% of the time. Even 95%.

I do leave room for exceptions. Chiyo-chan had to be Chiyo-chan. It wouldn't have been right if she wasn't.

>>34030337
Chiyo-chan is the only exception to that rule.

<3

>>34030171
Yes, with most anime characters that are teenagers, American voices just sound way too old. Part of it is that Japanese is a higher-pitched language in general, so even if the American voice actor was the same age as his/her Japanese counterpart, they would still sound older. I hate it when they cast 30-40 year old men to voice boys.

>>34030307

You... don't think that student's should address their teachers as Mr. or Ms.?

What?

>>34030392
That seems to be the case.

I'm sure more 18+ would love to get into VA work and could potentially do a great job, but it seems like such a...... closed market I think is the correct term?

>>34030398
Ah, I shouldn't have put Yukari in there.

I was talking when speaking to someone of a similar age, as in Sakaki's case. It sounded odd.

The reason American VA's are all so damn old is because they've spent ten years falling down the ladder of the entertainment industry, and eventually hit rock bottom.

>>34030307
Wait, so don't use them or translate them? So what the hell would you want? Especially if it's something as frequently used as 'onee-sama' or 'aniki'. I personally liked Gurren Lagann's use of 'bro'.

>>34030391

Chobits had one character using Senpai. I cringed the first time it came up, but before I knew what the fuck had happened I'd stopped noticing it. Its been a long time since I watched it, but I think its a plot point in one episode when she stops using it, and I was really bummed out about it.

This is what I mean by "room for exceptions." They can sometimes work. The translators and actors just have to be really careful.

>>34030392
I believe a core problem is that the VAs haven't even tried to emulate the distinct vocal patterns in the show they're dubbing. Boys have voices higher than they ought to be (Lelouch, even though it wasn't bad, and MOTHERFUCKING BLACK STAR), girls have voices too low, etc. etc., which is why adults dubbed usually sound better because they resonate with the older VAs.

>>34030461
some of them, many started out as american cartoon vas and just swapped over to anime. though i think in JYB's case anime is a step up from power rangers.

>I don't watch fansubs, period. I know I maybe missing out on great shows but know that they will not come if all of my localization options are dead, as I refuse to use illegitimate ones. Thus my goal then is to help make these distributors profitable and a dub is one tool that helps push anime more into the mainstream and improve it's marketability to the most important market of all, those who have no idea what otaku even means, i.e. the non-"hardcore" fans as the market needs to grow and not stay where it is. Bang Zoom's potential dropping of anime then means one less pool of talent actually dedicated enough to help bring anime over to us, thus potential talent is gone and the industry shrinks and contracts stagnating further than what it already has, the fact that there is a group of fans that have no problem with that is concerning.

>>34030469
In agreement that "bro" was awesome.

>>34030278
I think you're just scarred from hearing too many people pronounce honorifics incorrectly. I hardly ever watch dubs anymore, and when I did, it was rarely for a show that called for the use of honorifics, but even I can recall the "chahn"s and awkward "Miss"es.

Honestly, I think they can more often than not be neglected, but when it comes to times when using honorifics become imperative, and given an actor can say them right (and they definitely can, with practice), I don't think I'd mind hearing them in dubs.

>>34030494
JYB was godlike as Vash, and he should've stuck with adult roles. I mean, his dubwork as Lelouch was good, but it didn't emanate the same power as the original, mainly due to higher pitched voice.

The Baccano dub was thankfully great at least, probably because it was filled with new blood. But also because it was in a western setting with western characters.

>>34030533

ahahah, ooooh god

>>34030443

Well, in Sakaki's case, it serves a couple of purposes. For one, the group tends to show Sakaki deference. She's tall, pretty, smart, athletic and cool. They naturally show her the respect they would an older girl. For another, it reminds the audience that Sakaki is her LAST name, not her first. That's not super important, but its just one of those things.

Also, from what I remember of the dub, Chiyo, whom IS much younger, is the only one who regularly addresses her as miss. In fact, I believe she does so with almost everyone, even "Miss," Tomo. Kagura, Tomo and Yomi at least usually just call her "Sakaki."

>>34030584
I suppose you got me there. Good point.

>>34030550
Vash was his godmode anime.

Everything after was almost mediocre in comparison.

Lelouch was good though.

>>34030550

I really like JYB's Ichigo. Its one of the best things about the Bleach Dub in my opinion. He's got this great "growl," he adds to the voice when he gets Serious Bidness. And his Hollow Ichigo is even better.

>>34030550

What is funny is JYB isn't that bad in his Video Game Dubs.
Like Adachi/Main from Persona 4
or The Hero Kid from Disgaea 3

>>34030461
Pretty much this. No American kid thinks, "I want to be a voice actor when I grow up." They all start out trying to get into acting, end up doing low-paying commercials and eventually do dubs as a side job to pay the rent while they go to auditions.

On the other hand, the ones that DO take it seriously often do a bad job not by acting poorly, but by 'reinterpreting' the role and sometimes changing the character completely from what the original director intended. They don't usually read the manga/light novel or whatever the anime is based on (the Japanese voice actors usually do) so they only know a little bit about their character.

Every single person in this thread is a fucking idiot...

waiting for 4kids to disappear......

kerokerokerokerokerokero

As much as honorifics usually bother me when directly used with english, I really like the FLCL dub. That could partly be nostalgia talking though.

>>34030707
he was fairly good in .hack//gu as well.

hell, even when he gets a minor role in an anime (like that one FMA episode or that one champloo episode) he does a great job.

>>34030777
FLCL's dub was beyond amazing.

Either the VAs did a great job, or they got great direction.

So thankful they are allowed to use the old dub in the new release.

>>34030734

The problem is that Voice Actor is not a profession in America. Its a side job to "Actor." In Japan you can make an entire career out of just doing voicework and making live appearances.

Also, you noted the "not what the original director intended" problem. Acting is creative work by its very nature. The original VA's get to be there on the ground floor, working with the original director. The Americans are one more removed from that.

Anime fans basically want actors and directors, some of the most creative people in the world, to completely stifle their creativity and robotically duplicate something someone else did. That's a hard pill to swallow. It is the nature of the entertainment industry to think "My way would be better."

Damn, glad that I'm not american and have to tolerate dubs.

I will buy DVDs if they get released faster, have better translation for subtitles and have a better fucking font. Jesus Christ, glaring yellow hardsubs are not fun to look at.

Nearly every country in the world, from Mexico to Britain to Australia to Japan, have Voice Acting schools where people are trained specifically for doing voice talent in commercials, animation and the stage.

America however, treats the profession as a 'side gig' to live action movies and something to be done if you can't get into a 'real' profession (like Broadway or Hollywood).

Hundreds of applicants will go to auditions in Japanese 'group call' sessions, but the judges will only pick one of them to be accepted to be trained at these famous voice acting schools. America has nothing like this, nor a demand for voice acting talent.

Our view of a 'good voice actor' is based on how loud and 'catchy' your voice is. And what catches Americans attention is faced paced annoying banter or loud bass screaming and hollering.

If you think this isn't the case, watch any amount of Television commercials or listen to any Video Games. Compare them to the voices in an Anime dub and you have the source of many of the voices struggling to 'work their way up' the ladder of the American voice 'acting' system. And Anime dubs are near the very bottom of the chain. And those that stay there for long periods do so because they tried and failed in 'higher' forms of entertainment.

you wouldn't download bread

>>34030307
Look, leaving out honorifics != trying to directly translating them

That'd be stupid. They're doing an entirely new audio track, so they can throw lots of shit completely away, such as honorifics. High school kids are calling each other surname-san? Just translate that to their first names, like actual English-speaking people of that age would do. Most series will not have cases like characters suddenly changing how they call someone (eg "Instead of 'surname-san', can I call you 'first name'?") and even if there were you could figure something out that'll deliver the same meaning.

In other words, DELIVER THE MEANING, NOT A READOUT OF A CLUNKY-SOUNDING LITERAL TRANSLATION.

>>34030963

No, but I sure as hell will duplicate it and distribute it for free!

>>34030935
This, also they need to start adding translation notes and not translate everything literally. (Almost as if they used Google translate to translate some of the text....)

>>34030961
Wrong, most Americans prefer a voice that does not sound out of place and/or sounds similar to the original Japanese VA. Either or.

>>34030963
You know you would if you could.

>>34031025

That's mah boy!

>>34031017
Was kind of what I was trying to say, but I used horrible examples. :/

There goes our chances of Coco doing another dub.

>>34031082

I have a toaster build in my pc, of course I would

>>34030884
>stifle their creativity

I WISH that much effort went into dubbing. On some occasions it hardly seems more than a job to people, with ADR directors apparently so disinterested and disconnected to their work they don't even bother to correct an actor when they fail to pronounce their own character's name correctly.

>>34031133
I would pay $20 extra for the GitS DVDs if they had a third audio track with CoCo's dub.

I haven't a single good dub in my whole life. I mean some like Black lagoon or cowboy bebop are tolerable but nowhere near as good as original japanese VAs. I just can't see that anything valuable is lost by this.

English is not my main language so I consider my opinion objective.

If you watch any dubbed work (not limited to japanese animation) you have already lost part of the final product that the director and the cast carefully minted out together.

It's not the same and even though english voiceacting can try to duplicate the original voice it's a crappy second hand product. For shame.

>>34031266
Bebop's English dub not as good as the Japanese? What? Many Japanese even think the English dub was better......

>>34031277
Only when it is poorly translated and the VAs aren't given any direction. (higurashi for example. What a fucking trainwreck that was......)

Every time I download a dual audio rip I listen to the dub for a few moments to torture myself, FLCL is the only show where it hasn't actually been torturous.

>>34031335

Japanese would even eat shit if it was in english.

>>34029763

nigga the azumanga dub was pretty good.
If you don't feel Osaka with a southern accent is horrible, which I don't.

>>34031017

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you have to take context into account. Look at the Sakaki example. Obviously there's the extra factor of the fact that we don't know her first name, but beyond that the other girls perceive her as someone older, more collected, and on the other side of the coin, somewhat aloof and outside of their group to a certain degree because of that. Thus they "distance" her a bit and by using her last name instead of her first, and occasionally attaching a "Miss." I didn't feel like it was unnatural at all. It COULD have because its not how most Americans would talk, but the voice actors worked at it and made it FEEL natural through their tone.

Lets compare this to the Bleach Dub, where Orihime's VA dispensed with Kurosaki-Kun and went strait to Ichigo. In the original, Orihime knows Ichigo only through Tatsuki, but spends some time around him, knows him from her brother's accident, and has a secret crush on him. All of this = she wants to address him more intimately, but she isn't comfortable with using his first name yet because before the events of the story, they didn't really know each other that well. Thus she simply upgrades -san to -kun and is satisfied with that. Unfortunately, none of this really translates all that well because it relies on Japanese cultural standards. So the translators fell back on something more literal: -kun implies that they know each other at least casually and are familiar with each other. So no "Mr. Kurosaki." Lets just upgrade it strait to Ichigo and rely on her acting to convey that she's a bit uncomfortable around him because of her shyness+crush+not spending much time with him.

This is what I mean when I talk about how Honorifics are hard to translate, and why everyone has their own standard.

>>34031335
>Many Japanese even think the English dub was better....

they also think Everdythangu isu supa ruky

>>34031335
Even when the English VA's are given direction, and put in lots of effort, the finished product can still be very different from what the original director and the creator of the work intended. Actually, when they put more effort into it they're much more likely to almost completely change their character's whole personality and attitude, for the sake of 'creativity' and 'doing my own "interpretation" of the original'.

>>34030961

Pretty much. Any truly talented VAs will quickly move up the chain into more visible (or at least profitable) work.

>ITT: Examples of great dubs

>>34031531
Both of those cases sound approvable.

Now if they only got some actual talents for the VAs. Too bad R1 companies don't have the money to hire some actual actors, eh.

>>34031335
Because "This is a Sword Cutlass" sounds better than "ZEES EES A SAWD COOTLASS"

ive heard the japanese audio on bebop. shit sucks compared to the dub. sorry, weeaboos

>>34031635

There are no good dubs.

>>34031266

>English is not my main language so I consider my opinion objective.

Then, as a non-native English speaker, wouldn't you actually be LESS capable of knowing what good English voice acting is, just like a native English speaker would have no idea what good Japanese voice acting is?

>>34031744
After watching FMA Dub, I can no longer watch it subbed or with Ed having such a higher pitched voice.

Vic Mignogna is a great VA.

>>34031635
Was a very suitable candidate for a dub.

Lovely amerikkans. Thinking people give a shit about them.
0 nukes weren't enough.

>>34028519
thats really unfair.
character goods are bought because anyone can appreciate them.
dvds and such require near fluency in japanese to appreciate which most dont have. if dvds came standard with english subs, im sure the dvd sales in the us would rocket, simply because suddenly they are useful.

>>34031635
>>34031772

>Hurrr

>>34031757

I listened to sub first (non-american fag here), and most of the side characters and Wendee lee weren't very impressive in the dub at all. The typical drab, midrange, monotone dub voices. I hated those old men especially.

>>34031799
No, it would probably mean that they can compare both equally, since they didn't grow up with either one and thus aren't biased one way or the other.

>>34031799
but terribad voice acting will always be recognizable
just take look at Maka
voice itself was pure sex though

It's a vicious cycle isn't it.

People don't buy dubs because they suck (but also because there's free subs to be downloaded...)

And Dubs suck because people don't buy them and the companies can't afford good VA's.

IT JUST KEEPS GOING UNTIL IT DIES OFF

>>34031799

Non-biased opinion.

>>34031805

The whole cast in FMA was off the chain. One of the all time great dubs.

If I had to give a top-three, they would be Bebop, FMA and Eva, in that order. Asuka's English VA in particular is one of my favorite female VAs, especially when she's playing a character who speaks German. Oh man, I never really like the sound of German, but I could listen to her yell at me in it all day.

>>34031799
>just like a native English speaker would have no idea what good Japanese voice acting is?

That's not true at all. One doesn't need to know Spanish to know that those godawful spanish soap operas have horrible actors. There have been many cases of both japanese and western watchers "dropping" an airing show because of bad voice acting.

>>34031757
The only people who say that are ones who heard the dub first. Also, the only reason any dubs sound good to you at all is because you grew up hearing that kind of voice acting on American cartoons and anime dubs on tv as a kid.

As someone who never heard any dubbed anime at all except for Sailor Moon and Detective Conan a few times in Spanish, most dubs sound pretty bad to me, and even the 'good' ones don't live up to the hype. I've been watching subs since I was 11 (when I first got into anime) and since then I've learned Japanese so I don't need the subs anymore. At this point, I have absolutely no reason to support the American industry at all, since I don't need their dubs or their subs.

>>34031935

Couldn't stand the Shinji dub. Giving him the voice of a teenage Woody Allen was just terrible all around.

>>34031277

Let me one up you better

If you try to watch any media produced in a language you don't understand, you are already missing out the whole experience. No matter how great the translation is.

>>34031805
>>34031805
>>34031805

>After watching FMA Dub, I can no longer watch it subbed or with Ed having such a higher pitched voice.

THIS. It's for this reason alone that watching Brotherhood subbed is irksome for me. Similarly, Ed Blaylock as King Bradley and Wendy Powell as Envy.

>>34032037
true

>>34028258

>What industry? The anime industry in Japan is fine

Ahahahaha, no it's not. Several big companies have been posting some serious losses lately. Their retarded business model that focuses on hoping to get insane otaku to pay $80 per DVD has been slowly killing them for years.

I never had AS or cartoon network as a kid, so I've only watched all these so-called "classic dubs" just recently. They're nothing spectacular at all. Trigun and Outlaw Star were especially mediocre.

>>34032015

I felt like it was fitting for his character. Lets face it, listening to Shinji whine should not be a pleasant experience.

And the rest of the cast more than made up for it. If every "monotone," character VA was as good as Rei, the dub industry would be in much better shape.

>>34028534
Would you prefer the Japanese method of two episodes for $60? Dammit, man, we're getting whole 24-episode shows for $30-40 bucks, and Rightstuf is dirt cheap at times. What the fuck more do you fucking want, ten episodes for five bucks!?

>>34032126
>Dammit, man, we're getting whole 24-episode shows for $30-40 bucks

Toradora's going for 50$ for 12 episodes

I don't watch foreign movies dubbed, so why should I with anime?

>>34032067

I'll contrast this by saying while some of the changes to Brotherhood have indeed made me sad (since the original cast was damn near perfect) I almost feel like some of the performances from the returners are EVEN BETTER than they were the first time. Last Saturday for example, the episode where Winry delivers the baby was on. Winry's VA gave the single greatest "cute and bubbly," performance I have EVER heard out of an english VA. I've only HNNNNNG'd that hard for one other Dub performance ever (Tessa from FMP).

>>34032189
Would you watch dubbed if no subs are available?

Honestly, it's not even an issue of quality for most people. I don't care if they can get Morgan Freeman or Sean Connery to do anime dubs, I still wouldn't pay for things I can get for free.

Oh lordy lord.

>I don’t understand why more people don’t watch anime through legal sites. It makes me annoyed when people watch the same anime through some horrible, low quality anime site with ads everywhere if they can just watch it one great sites like these!
>funimation.com
>hulu.com
>animenewsnetwork.com
>netflix (has a nice selection of anime)
>crunchyroll.com (this site used to be illegal, now it’s legal.)

From
http://goanimetv.com/?p=668

I fucking lol'd.

>>34031635
>>34031635
>>34031635

It is absolutely impossible for me to watch Baccano subbed, because listening to Prohibition Era gangsters speak in Japanese is just way too surreal for me. Similarly, any anime firmly entrenched in Japanese culture feels strange to me if I don't watch them in Japanese...with the exception of Samurai Champloo which, despite its setting, mixes a lot of different cultural references into the mix. And of course shows like Cowboy Bebop don't really have a single culture present, so the dub is also fine for me.

Clicked to laugh at article and noticed gurren-hen and lagann-hen on the left... what are the quality of buyfag subs?

>>34032272

I wouldn't pay for sub-only DVDs, not even if someone gave me the money. I just would never, EVER use them. The few things I have bought of random movies and music over the years just collect dust in the closet. I feel kind of bad for these companies because no matter how far they bend, I will never be a customer. Sorry guys.

>>34032154

Toradora isn't worth buying anyway.

>>34032264

>I almost feel like some of the performances from the returners are EVEN BETTER

Along that note: Envy's lines right before he kills Hughes were absolutely fucking chilling. I look forward to seeing how everyone's improved. I also want to know who the hell they got to voice Olivier Armstrong.

>>34032343

One of the reasons I really liked the Chrono Crusade dub was they went out of their way to really try and make it fit the setting of '20s america and christian mythos. Yes, some of their 20's slang felt tacked on and unnecessary, but sometimes it flowed really well and added significant charm.

>>34029093

>2) getting people to watch foreign language film -> hard.

It seems to work for the rest of the world.

>>34032431
>>34032264

>Dubbed Armstrong

ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE

>>34032272
>I don't care if they can get Morgan Freeman or Sean Connery to do anime dubs

If they get a decent director too the result would probably be quite good, certainly better than what you get usually. American voice acting can certainly be good, hell, just look at any Pixar movie or Disney movie for example.

>>34032613
More dubs like howls moving castle and spirited away pls thnxs

>>34032613
And so what? People still pirate those movies.

Everybody knows American voice acting can be damn good if you have the money to hire the right people, that was never the problem. Dubbing companies can't afford these people and even if they could somehow, a large amount of people would still watch subs because it's free.


>>34032508
They have nothing to watch if they don't watch Hollywood stuff.

>>34032572
EXCELLENTO ANDO ELEGANTO

>>34032431

>Envy's lines right before he kills Hughes were absolutely fucking chilling.

"YOU LOOK SURPRISED!"