sounds about right

"My biggest worry is that we can't mae what we want to make. We have to make products the market demands"
Kazumori Hashimoto, Anime studio owner.

Looks like we are stuck with Moeshit forever.

For a one sentence summary, it's pretty damn good.

I stopped at

"Anime depicts big eyed males or females."

"With the declining birth rate the target of anime production has moved towards young people and adults who grew up watching animation, we now produce anime specifically for those people."

I can see where this is going.

HOLY SHIT THEY ARE SHOWING LOLICON HENTAI

BEST NEWS REPORT EVER

>>33937524
I approve

>RapeLay
entry level shit

someone could claim that a drawings any age. Konata's suppose to be 18 but looks about 6 years old. Justified fap then?

>>33937637
>>Implying he faps over Konata
nerkturd weaboo faggot alert

>one chilling online video game, called 'RapeLay', lets players choose victims of any age - and a growing number of animation studios are turning to porn to survive.
>online
wait, what?

So banning loli is double killing anime industries

I hate how the Anime industry blames "Online piracy" for it's collapse.

If the entire industry is built around the niche animu DVD market in fucking America and China, it deserves to die.

It survived just fine for 50 years without outsourcing it's revenue streams to the west.. why the sudden "Duur the western pirate devils are causing the industry to die now" bullshit?

"The industry is geared to where demand is, which is the obsessive fan (OTAKU) market, not the general public.
That's the trend I worried about most."

They don't like us ;_;

>>33937698
Every media industry does that

>annie-may
>sterotypical "japanese" music as BGM
hurr
>Katanagatari C2 trailer
WOAH

Also, gotta admire the organization of people queue in Japan.

>"Anime is cartoons of big eyed children or teenagers, usually involving sexual situations in post apocalyptic settings"
More stereotypes!

>K-On
>Precure
so kawaii <3~

>art drama "shit sells"
Cry me a river, blame the planet, not the medium.

>We can't make what we want
Stop making shit

>>33937816
I just read the Transcript, but yeah, I was surprised at PreCure too.
I tend to hate any group that points to RapeLay though.

Animu has dropped in quality compared to live action television.

Back in the day you would turn on Evangelion or Cowboy Bebop for adventure/fantasy/action needs (both had fucking high ratings, Evangelion was one of the highest rated shows in Australia ever when it was broadcast), now we have TV shows like Spartacus, Rome, Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Generation Kill, Underbelly, The Wire, Caprica, Heroes and all sorts of stuff that leaves anime in the fucking dust.

My face when I realized that [a/ is that cancer that is killing anime

Annie may? Fascinating.

>>33937896
I'm not sure this indicates a drop in anime quality, as much as it reflects the fact that network dramas have gotten really fucking good over the past five to ten years.

"magazine called manga"
"ecchi = softcore"
...

I thought the report wasn't so bad
it was pretty accurate to say the least

also i saw angel beats and macross frontier stuff there, so i was happy

>>33937953
It's true, though.

>My biggest worry is that we can't make what we want to make. We have to make products the market demands.
FUCK. FUCK YOU. WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT DO YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT MARKET DEMANDS. ALL YOU HAVE IS HIT AND MISS EXPERIENCE FROM TRIAL AND ERROR. THERE ARE SO MANY UNCLAIMED NICHES BESIDES PEDOSHIT. FUCK. I MAD.

This should motivate you weaboos to make lots o' babies and educate them about anime so you can keep the industry alive

>>33937896
>Heroes

>>33937977
>implying animation producers don't do market research

>>33937977
He's talking about the moe boom.

>>33938009
First season was solid.

I say they should stick to shounen

>>33937942

I fucking lol'd at the bit in the end when he was like "oops".

>>33937816
Okay now that I have finished the video.

Well, that is pretty damn sad. It's kind of a loop - you can't advertise something that wouldn't sell and without advertisements you sell less. Animation allows for depiction of many things not possible, or quite difficult in live-action, so it's really quite sad that this industry have this problem. This brews another loop - you know that porn would sell - many people buy porn. So they don't even try to do something else. But don't make a mistake here - anime porn was ALYWAYS there and it was ALWAYS selling.

Japan does make good stories in anime medium. But they don't sell. Why? Not enough advertisment? Normalfags don't care about animation? Live-action TV and live TV shows became better and more prominent? Maybe illegal online distribution IS a part of a problem seeing as we live in a consumeristic society which wants MORE, RIGHT NOW, FREE and catering to their needs, as low as they are.

I sad.
Aoi Hana sold <1000 copies and 400 complete downloads of RENTAL copy were made in Perfect Dark P2P network. How's that.
Waiting for the delivery of Natsu no Arashi! S2 dvds, the show which didn't sell and will never have an ending in anime form.

Why the fuck did they use Fairy Tail as an example? Nobody watches that shit.

>>33938027
Here's a surprise for you - they don't. Do you think a survey that says "which anime last season did you like best" is proper research? It's not.
Even if they asked people what they wanted to see it wouldn't get far, because the consumers only know what they have already seen. Nobody did proper research for this subject since the beginning of the anime industry. Fucking surprised? I bet you are.

We had a live watching thread of this earlier tonight. Thread got nearly 300 posts. You missed out. WAfag?

2ch and 2chan have been a major problem for years in both the Japanese Gaming and Animation industry.

The whole Dragon Quest shit still makes my heart boil with rage.

>>33938129
Missed the point. They could use just about anything because EVERYTHING gets uploaded in a matter of mere hours.

>>33937661

If it can be found on the Internet, it's an "online game." And you get "bonus points" in Halo 3 for posting naked images of your underage self.

The media agrees, don't bother them.

So what if we're completely full of shit, we get more ratings!

>>33938122
Wait, are you saying Aoi Hana didn't sell enough or it sold a surprising amount?

>>33937373
>Anime is cartoons of big eyed children or teenagers, usually involving sexual situations in post apocalyptic settings

The worst part is how eerily accurate that statement is

>>33938229
I'll repeat myself.
Aoi Hana sold less than 1k copies.
That's a commercical failure. They had to stop the production of a drama CD half-way.
In Perfect Dark, there was 400 complete downloads.

400 illegal downloads to 1000 legal purchases.
Think of it.

>Anime is cartoons of big eyed children or teenagers, usually involving sexual situations in post apocalyptic settings

/a/ name the anime

Code Geass.

First season, decent, sort of mature, developing decent well written plotlines.

Second season, lets just forget the plotlines from the first season, loli's, fanservice galore, shitty ass/non existant story.

You can obviously see who the second season was trying to cater too, shit sucked bad.

>>33938317

Lucky star?

>>33938301
That still doesn't seem like very much, illegal or not.

>>33938317
90% of Anime in the 80's and 90's?

>>33938367
It's even more shocking this way, you know.


Somebody please tell me how did K-On sell 40000 copies because I really want to know.

[ ] big eyed children or teenagers
[ ] involving sexual situations
[ ] post apocalyptic setting

Pick two.

Feature containing censored porn.
>* cartoon (3)* children (5)

>>33938204
>The whole Dragon Quest shit still makes my heart boil with rage.

now I'm curious

teh only solution is to wait for this generation of otaku to die or kill themselves

>>33938393

It's shit, of the type that retards love to eat. And the world is filled with retards.

>>33938301
>400 illegal downloads
That's not even much. It's both a commercial failure and a failure of popularity.

>It is a freezing Sunday morning in Tokyo, just 5 degrees celsius
>5 degrees celsius; freezing
Silly australians.

>>33938493
>*the
worst typo anyone could make.

>>33938393
Well, Aoi Hana was under-rated, the fact that it had a yuri tag probably didn't help, niches like that don't seem to go far.

K-ON, and by extension KyoAni, has a HUGE budget. Comedies in general tend to be more popular than dramas, and the fact that they can have their VAs sing catchy songs probably helped too.

It isn't like you should ask if K-ON was better than Aoi Hana or not, they just have much better resources.

> Anime is cartoons of big eyed children or teenagers, usually involving sexual situations in post apocalyptic settings

This actually describes the entire industry quite well.

Stop pandering to Otakus.
Get some decent writers, write some decent shows and maybe people will start watching again.

What I would be doing is sucking cock to get my hands on as many popular IP's as possible to make Animu about (DnD, Starcraft, Tolkien, Warhammer, Aliens/Predator, Star Trek, Warcraft, Star Wars etc etc.) and milking that cashcow, while developing my own decent original animu series with the revenue (maybe a historical drama or something)

Since no one liked me making my own thread:

SBS Dateline | Suspended Animation

The Japanese ‘anime’ animation industry is big business, worth $2 billion a year, but it’s facing some major threats and many companies are turning to anime porn just to survive.

The problems come from illegal downloading, which is hurting advertising sales, competition from Chinese and South Korean animators, and dwindling interest from anime’s traditional audience of Japanese children.

There’s also concern that the anime porn depicts children in sexually explicit scenarios. One game is even called RapeLay and lets players choose their victim’s age.

Video journalist Adrian Brown looks at what the future could hold for the big-eyed heroes and heroines of anime in Japan

Part 1 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahTYcJR1qo

Part 2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYJ6wowUnp0

Recording straight off Australian TV for you guys.

Enjoy

>>33938405
[ ] big eyed children or teenagers
[X] involving sexual situations
[X] post apocalyptic setting

1. Make a badass power rangers anime based on the original story line
2. ????
3. PROFIT!

>>33938586
>[X] involving sexual situations
>Fist of the North Star

wut?

The truth is where are foreigners suppose to watch subbed anime other than the internet, it's not like there are any UK TV channels that bring out subbed anime hours after it's watched in Japan.

I still purchase anime DVD's but most of the stuff is so hard to come by in England that the only way to own it is to download it for instance K-ON! you can't buy that anywhere other than play Asia.

I've noticed Haruhi is now available in some UK stores but at £40 for four episodes it's not exactly cheap, so really I try to support the anime industry but it's just so expensive to buy the stuff legally that unless I really want it I won't part with the money.

Good. Anime might as well die at this point.

"If you ask me I enjoy watching anime with pretty girls"

goddamn moe faggots

They have reports like this every year, they`re just slightly more frequent in the english language now. The anime industry is supposedly on the verge of death every year now, and you newfriends think you`re on to something. Just like how people were sure Gonzo was done like four years ago. Also, ever stop to count how many shows are airing? And how lucrative a success can be forever? Sunrise = Money, money, money. Gainax = Money, money, money. Khara, money. Bones, moola. Recent SHAFT = Many bags of beans. Kyoani = Fuck. Toei, profits coming from everywhere else, and producers that`ll let you do anything as long as you have an interesting premise, even just visually. Satelight = Able to figure out how to get bloody extraneous amounts of money to make a show, especially with Kawamori. And more.

All you have to be is a studio that knows what they`re doing.

>>33938738
>>33938543
>>33938493
>>33938497
>I have no real opinion so I'll just bash on genres I dislike because no one will make anything as deep or engaging as Eva again

>>33938754
tl;dr everything is okay?

Because it isn't, this season is a complete disgrace.

>>33938405
Needless

>>33938821
This season is fine, cry some more

>>33938784
>Eva

Nigga you gay.

This is probably the least biased video done by a westerner about anime. Though it still has its quarks.

Oh well, at least I got anime in my generation, let it die in pieces.

Gather a team, make your own anime

Grrl Power did it.

>>33938821
HoFL, Yojou-han and the continuation of drrr are good.

>Just like how people were sure Gonzo was done like four years ago

But Gonzo is done? (where you get 4 years ago I don't know since no one talked about it then)

>>33938865
pretty sure that was sarcasm

>>33937698
>It survived just fine for 50 years without outsourcing it's revenue streams to the west.. why the sudden "Duur the western pirate devils are causing the industry to die now" bullshit?
They never blamed the west for dropping revenues, just piracy in general, also including japanese piracy.
Moe is obviously killing anime.

Seems like a fair and balanced report if your target is audiences who don't know anything about anime yet.

Still, one thing about pisses me off about the anime industry nowadays is the "shou gai nai" attitude the industry has about "what the market demands". Be creative for fucks sake, experiment, and create new demand.

>>33938916
Because the industry was pumping out masterpieces before K-ON came along.

Japan's birth rate is declining meaning less new viewers. That's why they have to make moeshit, to get money from those people.

>>33938899
>HoFL
>Yojou-han
Uhhh... right.

Blame Miyazaki. He's to blame for the cancer.

>>33938754
So anything thats produced by those studios will make money is what you're saying, correct?

>>33938821

Good anime is usually equal to : Visionary directors, with visionary, and skilled animators, most of the time, a good key writer, at least, to keep the story together, usually a visionary episode director, though if the main director takes enough control, it`s not always as important. And other factors, all pretty much being the people. If shows aren`t good, it`s ninety-nine percent of the time based on the fact that the director was generic, or lame, the animators work at GONZO, et cetera... Look at all of the classic anime, pretty much, and note their crew. Look at this seaon`s most interesting anime, and the most `new` work, which is Yuasa`s. All active directors are still coming out with great works, though Kawamori is an exception, since he`s really out there now.

>>33938975
He means they don't suck and are competent.

>>33938690
same situation

i'm on low income already, and if they expect me to wait months for a DVD release, pray it gets licenced for the US, shipping it over, then trying to play it on my region 2 DVD player, they thought wrong

>>33938965
So fapping is killing anime and yet at the same time helping anime.

>>33938543
Decently written shows don't sell man, Baccano? Book of Bantorra? Fuck that shit, people want the moe. The only hope a well written show has is to be presented in a high school format, with some kind of excuse as to why the story has to take place in said high school.

>>33939027
Sometimes they do though. Durarara is pretty engaging as far as plot and production values go and the first dvd sold fairly well.

>>33939027
Yeah, that's why Baccano! didn't sell well in the US
Their audience was clearly taken by moe shows

>>33939057
The general audience/ non-otaku that watched it hated it. Awful ratings.

>>33938975

They usually have success because they know how to put out projects, and studios like Bones and Gainax concentrate on very developed main projects, usually with lot`s of merchandising possibilities, and high interest in different markets than just otaku, and have a lot put into them. Also, look at the success of Macross Frontier, and you see how Kawamori knows how to do it.

>>33938908

It was supposedly on the brink of destruction since four years ago, and in peak months of hate here, there would be several threads on how they were going to die.

>>33938966
They're good. HoFL is a bit offputting because of the art (those fucking faces, damn), but all in all I liked it.
Yojou-han is a good show as well.

It doesn't occur to the industry that moe and a good story/artwork/etc don't rule each other out? To use cute girls as a vehicle for creating a new genre, I think, might be a smart move to get new audiences without alienating your existing audience.

ITT: Self proclaimed economic geniuses.

If there was something else they could do, they would have done it.

>>33939072

On the 2Ch / 2Chan boards, they were pretty well liked, those shows just aren`t sell-able, they`re also `too realistic`, especially setting wise, so they don`t do as well, obviously. Once they`re done, they`re done, too, there`s no mystery or really intense rewatchability, or girls to obsess over. It`s natural they don`t sell. The setting of Michiko to Hatchin also led to its poor sales. Another thing is that so many shows are twelve episodes, this most of the time will obviously not help titles which could have made it big, though it allows more shows to be made.

I for one don't mind moe at all and think that the faggots screaming "baaaw there are no good shows" should stop having such 'high standards'
and just enjoy shit.

Bakemonogatari sold well and it was great.
This is clearly exaggerated.

anime fans are basically only pillow owning faggots or casual dub retards in America

in Japan its the same thing except instead of casuals its just kids

I'm not surprised the industry is failing considering the people they have to appeal to, to make money

>My face

>my face when that guy was playing monster hunter

>>33939101
>that moe and a good story/artwork/etc don't rule each other out?

Yes they do, if the anime isn't all about cute girls doing cute things the whole time otaku won't watch it. You can't have moe and good story because it doesn't work that way

>>33939229
Wow. Talk about giving up.

>>33938970
>>33938970
>>33938970
>>33938970

Downloading anime is killing the industry.....good news everyone streaming anime doesn't have any affect on the industry at all.

Also anime animators, I love you all you've entertained me for most of my life but seriously you ungrateful fuckers, if you want to do what you love then you need to be prepared to not get paid to do it, conversely if you want to be paid you need to be prepared to work on shit you don't like, grow the fuck up and get with the real world, this is the philosophy that most authors live by, they write what they like some times it sells, many times it doesn't the only way they make money is if they cater to the masses

>>33939429
Shut up

>>33939429
>Does not work for a living

>>33939429
>good news everyone streaming anime doesn't have any affect on the industry at all.

You're and idiot, streaming anime does just as much damage to the industry as you're not paying for it.

>>33939462
not as an animator, that shit pays slave wages

>>33939475
internet sarcasm son, look into it

>>33939230
>Bakemonogatari sold well and it was great.
>Bakemonogatari
>great

>>33939298

Seriously, all of you need to stop thinking you really know anything about otaku, or what all of their tastes are. Also, look at the TT search popularity, and think. In the long run, Gundam outsells K-on. Frontier outsells Bakemonogatari. Eva outsells everything. Mecha is way harder to make, but if they could, like they used to, they`d probably make a million of those shows, also, see what the director said about why he didn`t want to try more of the FMP crap. Also, models outsells figurines, and pretty much no neko-kawaii crap is still largely popular in the next decade. You think all of Japan is just some stereotype you got from the next newfriend on here. Go to 2Ch, and see what the prevailing discussions are on compared to what the most popular of the day is. They made shows with heroes likes Casshern because it was easy and popular. Good creators who liked what they were doing figured out how to do it good, then it happened with mecha, then the standard and tech got so intense they couldn`t keep up, now it`s school-life, cutesy escapist stuff, but most are the mass-produced shows that you don`t judge a medium by. And the people at Kyoani, A-1 and Shaft want to make this stuff.

>involving sexual situations in post apocalyptic settings"
NOT ALL ANIME IS LIKE THIS GOD-
>usually
Oh, well, never mind, please continue.

>>33939072
Ratings don't mean anything when it comes to anime. Its all about the dvd sales.

>>33937373
It's not even rageworthy

>>33937942
>Annie may?
May what? if its dirty can you give me her number

>>33939298
Taishou Yakyuu Musume and Sora no Woto come to mind

>>33939530
anime usually airs on tv first, which means they need sponsors to pay for it before it ever gets put on dvd, so yes ratings initially do matter

>>33939230
Bakemonogatari is just a moe harem show without the moe and hardly any harem.

It only sold well because of its visuals and SHAFT.

>>33939562
Even then, dvd sales > ratings. DVD Sales ultimately show whether or not the show has a fanbase and is marketable. Shows with good sales also tend to have sequels.

>>33939576
It sold well because the novel had a strong following and DVD-original extras (finished animation, in-character commentary) were intersting to said following.

>>33938511
isnt that around ~40 degrees F?

fags claiming the anime industry has gone to shit have no sense of perspective at all

Yet again, this story proves that Western media did not do any ACTUAL research before writing their articles!

I can't believe that even public broadcasters like the SBS resort to such focus on the sensational and controversial parts of a subject.

>>33939795
sensational and controversial is what sells my friend, fox news built itself on that principle, all media outlets do

>>33939502
>Gundam sells

Sure but only shit like SEED now, I bet Unicorn will do horribly. Unlike SEED it doesn't have all the bishie males for yaoi hambeasts and derp moe bitches like Lacus

And guess who the two most popular characters are in Gundam, Kira and Lacus, the shittiest male and the shittiest female from that awful series.

>>33939850
Well still I think it's disgusting.

>>33939724
As an Australian I believe they were originally going to go with describing the temperature as "Fuck'n cold". Describing the temperature as freezing is obviously a rushed edit there, since 5 degrees makes it indeed not freezing, but fuck'n cold.

Sauce on 07:10?