>>33537799
>Implying [a/ watch good anime

most of them

the lack of big 3 in that chart feels good too

but but .... theres no Umineko anime

>>33537878
>>33537799
samefag 0/10

Official Chart has Luffy, because he's more /a/ related than you

>>33537927
and there's a GTO anime...but I can't find onizuka...
maybe he needs He own Chart

>>33537974
>implying /a/ dont hates big 3

>>33537984

onizuka is not a hero

he is badass and a pedo, but not a hero

Oh jeez what a lame pile of shounen-shit and homoerotism. This chart sucks, and quotes are so pretentious

>>33538060
since when that don't mean hero?

True chart

>ITT we post our own chart and call it official

I want to see a new villain chart next.

>>33538113
>so pretentious

i dont see bakemonogatari in there

>>33538147
>walls of text
>Lupin's quote

What the fuck /a/?

Please just stop this. These charts are all terrible. Stop embarrassing yourselves infront of /v/ and /co/.

>>33538023
He's right though. The final chart had Luffy on it.

> Official Hero Chart [a/?
You mean the Official Troll Chart right?

Because Luffy was only taken off for this specific chart because trolls are butthurt 13 year olds who spam threads full of "WAN PISS XDXDXD"

i haven see many op, because many of them sucks

>>33537974
>blahblahblahblahblah I'm an OPfag
what you said

>official
Yep, because any character that isn't on it is NOT A HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

Amirite guys?

>>33538307
>13 year olds who spam threads full of "WAN PISS XDXDXD"

you mean the average one piece fan in /a/ right

Well, I've seen 24 of them.

>>33537799
WHY IS YUSGAY YOUR A MESHI THERE?

ITT: Make up bullshit charts and call them "Official"

So where's Luffy?

I only watch good anime

>>33538446

see

>>33538185

Ichigo should be there

The chart OP posted was the one we agreed on.

How the fuck is Spike and most of the other characters on there heroes?

>>33538639

because they do heroic acts

Just take out the Fate/Stay shit and the VN crap and we're good.

>>33538618
Not really.

characters are alright but some of the quotes are awful

This is the agreed on chart.
There's another one where Luffy is replaced by Kei
That is all

Also, I haven't watched all the series no

Half of these quotes are seriously stupid.

>>33538670
I can't remember a single heroic act Musashi has done in Vagabond. Alot of these characters just seem thrown in cuz they're badass.

Amzingly after all the time and shit we put into that chart, we still forgot to put Duck on it.

>>33538718

Really? Is it the length or something else?
Not trolling,seriously curious

I like the OP chart better, with a few small exceptions

1) I like Adam Blade. I'd take him over K1

2) I think Kenshin, Yusuke, Goku and Harlock's quotes are better on the other chart. Also I would add "Thats what it means to be an outlaw," back onto Gene

3) I still think Guy's quote should be "Have you forgotten Mamoru? Victory goes to... THOSE WITH COURAGE!"

3)

>>33537799
>no Princess Tutu

shit-tier chart

>>33538862
>>33538987

Ballet mind

thanks Op i was searching for a chart without faggots in it

>>33538938

Goku's was changed because it was dub (which turned out to be invalid since both Ed's and Moon's are dub versions)
Kenshin was just shortened to keep it's meaning it being friendlier on the eyes.
Yusuke and Harlock, yes, I agree, the first quotes used were better, but what you gonna do right?
There's always going to be different opinions. /a/ should be able to move past that

>>33539139

>Without faggots in in
>Battler is in instead of Birdy

Dear god what the fuck?

Sorry guys, but the characters and quotes on the charts are really not the best choices there. Guess that just shows what different people think is the essence of a show or the "coolest" quote.

For me there's really just a very few quotes that sum up the persons or shows character

>>33539044
Perhaps one of the VN characters should be taken out and replaced with her.

>>33539148

Fair enough points. I'm not getting bent out of shape or anything, just sharing my personal opinions. That's the whole point of the project, isn't it?

I certainly think the chart has come a long way.

Did /a/ ever do a villain chart? Our original contribution to the meta villain chart wasn't all that great.

>>33539269
It's alright to have different opinions you know? Just say what you think is wrong. Sure, the threads were a trollfest, but nothing will change for the better if we don't at least try to move past that

>>33539283
I'd say Shiki from Tsukihime. Not trying to be mean here, but he's the less know guy out of all the VN MCs
Personally, for me, the chart should be as such "pic related", taking into consideration all the characters suggested at the time (minus Tutu of course

>>33538780

This is the actual official chart, as you can see
http://www.mediafire.com/editorguy

No, I haven't seem them all, but that's really just a troll thread.

>>33539414

>Just not saying*
Sorry

>>33539437

That chart was the agreed on one
I saved it from the original thread
Heck, I contributed to the chart with some characters and helping find and adapt quotes

>>33539341

I wanted to do one, but I suppose, after taking about 4-5 threads making the heroes one, the villains one would be even worse

/jp/'s villains chart is far superior.

So what exactly is wrong with having big 3 heroes on the chart. This is an [a/ chart right? It pretty stupid to exclude shit based on personal biases.

>>33539612
Nothing. Just a couple very vocal and very annoying trolls made a trollfest everytime Luffy's name was mentioned.

But he's there, see >>33538780 and >>33539437
http://www.mediafire.com/editorguy

>>33539612

big 3 sucks ad having them on something that represents /a/ taste is horrible wrong

you may be a underage faggot and thats the reason that right now you cant understand it

but cancer like that must die

>>33539612

Because Naruto, Ichigo and Luffy are braindead faggots and including them lower great characters like Spike, Nanoha or Guts to their pitiful level?

>>33539612

Ichigo and Naruto were left out because frankly, they don't define shit.
Luffy was contested a lot, some wanted it, some didn't, trolls on both sides.
In the end, two charts were made, one for Luffy, one without
Pretty stupid if you ask me

>>33538780
Yeah man I mean I don't care if Luffy is on the chart or not but for the love of GOD don't put him in instead of Kei Kurono!

Fucking terrible chart. Half of the quotes aren't even heroic.

>>33539717
>>33539714
You realize you two are arguing about cartoons you don't like on an imageboard and frankly if it represents [a/ theres no reason big 3 or any shounen for that matter shouldn't be on it since they are discussed regularly.

>>33539581
Damn, that's a lot of artifacts.

>>33538780

Ok, going off this as the "official" chart, I reiterate my points in >>33538938 except for the first one about Adam Blade. Replace that with "Cut Yoh for Kei from Gantz."

Seriously, not having Kei on this chart would be a crime.

>>33539721

Kei was a replacement for Luffy in the first place
But there are FAR worse problems with the chart in my opinion, relating to the meaning of the word hero (this can be somewhat overlooked, as hero can be subjective).

>Official
elfman.jpg

>>33539581

One of the best Bern's pictures ever. But she has better quotes.

Isn't K1, both Shiki's, and Shirou /jp/ characters?

>>33539819
I agree man put Kei on the chart he was fucking cool.

>>33539830
Yeah i know what you mean.

Why the fuck were people getting pissy over Luffy?
I don't see how you could argue he isn't a hero.

>>33539941
We don't want Big 3, faggot.

>>33539880

1. Save both the "official" chart, and one with Kei
2. MS paint, crop the image of Kei
3. Place onto the other chart over Yoh
4. ???
5. Profit!

There, should be easy right?

>>33539955
And the chart is supposed to represent your personal preference?

This is the real chart.

>>33539871

K1 has an anime, heck, Higurashi is probably the better of all those mentioned
Shiki from Tsukihime should go
Shirou stays as well, F/S Night wasn't that bad an anime.
I will not comment myself on the other Shiki

>>33539799

I don't hate One Piece and I read Naruto and Bleach until just recently, but Big3 protags simply don't qualify for this chart.

>>33539988

No it isn't
Birdy is missing. Battler wasn't even considered for this by the majority

>>33540005
The chart has Guts on it.
Yet you argue Luffy shouldn't be on it.
On a hero chart....

>>33540030
Everyone agreed on Battler, no one wants a shit character like Birdy.

>>33540005

That's YOUR opinion
Move past it.
I don't like Luffy on this and would like Mikado from Drrr instead, for example.
It didn't get approved, I moved past it

>>33540079
VN characters shouldn't even be included with this, since /jp/ already made their own chart with them. These shouldn't overlap.

>>33540079

>Shit character like Birdy

see now your troll is showing, even if you don't mean to
Birdy is more of a hero than Battler

>>33540044
Who exactly are you suggesting we put on the chart then? I think we should only put characters on the chart who are equal to me in every regard.

>>33539830

The point of having a chart with a lot of characters on it is to show a wide range of "heroes," who represent a wide variety of ethics, morals and causes so that the greatest possible percentage of /a/ related media can be gelled into a single product.

That's one reason why the original villain chart was so popular: because there wasn't just one kind of villain on there. The combination of a dozen characters from various /jp/, /a/, /co/ and /v/ sources ended up including a pretty staggering variety of villainous archetypes.

The more archetypes we have on there, the more representative the chart is of /a/ as a whole. /co/ had the same problem with their hero chart. The debate about whether any characters from Watchmen should be on the chart was endless. In the end, they kept Rorschach and Nite Owl both because they may not have been "heroic" to everyone, but they we're heroic to a descent percentage of the contributors when viewed in a certain light.

>>33539721
superior version with both, then?

Also, Kurono arguably isn't a hero.

>>33540136
>Implying visual novels and anime aren't the same fucking thing.

They are both Chinese cartoons, deal with it.

>>33540154
The official chart is fine.
I just don't know why people are bitching so much about Luffy being on it.

why are there two form the fate stay series. Ashitaka doesn't belong, he was only in a movie, theres got to be alot better options. As much as i hate it, you'd have to represent the big 3 as well.

Oh man Case Closed was the shiiiiiiiiiit

>>33540154

>Implying anyone can be equal to you

Moving past that, Luffy IS a hero, while Guts isn't, at least, taking a LINEAR definition of hero
But seriously, if we do that, the character chart would be boring. We need all kinds of heroes, that do things for different reasons and have different goals overall.
Guts is the perfect example of a anti-hero (a hero that fights for good, yet does it out of selfish reasons)
Luffy, I suppose, would be a hero in the true sense.

>>33540195
But VNs are not cartoons.
There is no animation most of the time.

>>33540194
Yeah I know but I was happy to see him on there. I didn't know people on /a/ were into Gantz. Yeah I'm cool with this list is kicks total ass.

>>33540253
Colorful pictures of fake people are cartoons.

Hero chart is a fucking stupid idea. Badass protagonist chart is much better. As is villains chart.

>>33540290
Not really, they are comics.

>>33539717
so you add faggots from fate/stay? nigger please.

>>33540245
Well if you want to get technical about it.
Luffy is a 'villain' in his world.
The Marines and the Government would be the 'heroes'.

>>33540185

THIS!
See, this is exactly why.
Taking for example Yoh, he isn't exactly something that contributes much to the chart, so I don't think he belongs there. There are others that would be much better, like Tutu, or Mikado, or Kei (if we assume this is the Luffy chart), or Rock, or K1

arguing after the chart is done and a dozen threads were made JUST having these exact same discussions....

yep, no thanks, enjoy your pointless arguing.

I THOUGHT WE AGREED NOTHING RELATED TO THAT CHART EVER TOOK PLACE ON /a/.

>>33539717
Nanoha?
Really?

>>33540312
Comics and Cartoons are the same thing. They even share a board, like /a/ did until Moot decided to split it, primarily for Touhou.

>>33540245

I've never watch any One Piece but i'm wondering how exactly Luffy is a hero. Isn't he a pirate looking for Treasure or some shit?

>>33540328

He isn't, he's a villain if we look at it from the common man who doesn't know shit.
We all know that the marines are corrupt and evil, yet pirates are as well.
In One Piece, your alignment isn't decided by which side you are one, but by your actions and morals
And Luffy fights for good causes out of of empathy and morals.

>inb4 He broke into Impel Down argument

All heroes have flaws, to say otherwise is taking away the humanity of the character, thus making him boring. We can argue that Luffy's flaw is his selfish behavior when it came to this matter (saving his brother over keeping the world safe)

>>33540398
COmics and cartoons are not the same thing, being in the same board is a different issue.
Vns are not comics either.

>>33540414
Well he selflessly helps people all of the time.

>>33540366

Yes really. She's also much better than 90% of other characters from that chart.

>>33540245
Guts is the definition of epic hero, shut your ignorant mouth.

>>33537974

>Official ALTERNATIVE Chart has Luffy

Fixed. Your bitching broke through.

>>33540461
Sure man, whatever.

>>33540452

Fair enough. Was mainly wondering as I see people fighting about him in these threads but reasons are rarely listed,

>>33540414

He is, but he always ends up fighting for other or for a greater cause, no matter who it's against
He's fought against just about every side of the One Piece world, marines, pirates, pirates that fight for the marines, gods and others.
Who he fights doesn't matter, it's who he fights FOR that matters to him

And this isn't saying Luffy deserves the spot. You can say that you don't like him, or him being there (I don't personally) but you can't just argue that he isn't a hero

>>33540414
In the world of One Piece, a pirate is just a person who wants to have more freedom than others.

>>33540429
True.
I vote Luffy be replaced with Hannyabal.

>>33540473

Guts fights to fuck over Griffith. He just happens to help people on the way. Go read the manga

>>33540451
Comics : Cartoons :: Manga/VNs : Anime

I'm really not quite sure why Luffy deserves to be on the chart any more than Ichigo or Naruto. All three should be on there, along with Goku and Yusuke. Heroic traits are rife in the main characters of fightan shounen and whether you like it or not, they all qualify. I don't particularly care if people want to include Big 3 characters or not, but if you're going to include one it's only fair to have all three represented. Just saying.

>>33540518
>>33540521

Again, thanks for the clarification.

>>33540506
That's because there is no reason for Luffy not be on it. Other than, big three hurr, hurr, hurr, hurr.

all these charts reach too hard for "heroic quotes", just find something that sounds cool, ffs.

>>33540366

Nanoha played a vital role in stopping Precia who tried to destroy the whole fucking multiverse. Show me somebody on this chart who did something even close to that.

>>33540557
They put the ones they like.
It's not about fairness.

>>33540573
and that should be more than enough. luffy , naruto and that orange haired guy need to be on.

>>33540557
Because the Big 3 aren't inseparable. /a/ hates Naruto and reads Bleach for the trolls and fun.

>>33540592
Just going by' ACHIEVEMENTS' to measure a hero or character is retarded.
Enjoy your BEEEEEEEEAMfest.

>>33540557

For starters, even Luffy being on this is something that's arguable
Then, comes the fact, One Piece, while grouped with Bleach and Naruto, has been here far longer than those two.
Then comes the fact that Luffy has reached a certain level of seniority Ichigo and Naruto haven't

And finally comes the fact you are a faggot for comparing people like Goku and Yusuke that helped make those archetypes in the first place to characters that followed them
That is all.

>>33540545
The whole theme of the manga is, if you didn't notice, whether Guts is going to fight for Caska or for revenge.

A summary of the final thread, just to get things clear and prevent imbeciles like >>33540079 from spouting shit.

-Luffy was always sort-of-contested, thus the Luffy chart and the Kei chart. No consensus was ever reached on that.
-The idea was to allow for some leeway with /jp/ character so long as there was /a/ related material (anime or manga) that made them relevant AND (this is important) showed their relevant side. Thus, Ryougi, Shirou and Tohno are in.
-Battler was almost unanimously rejected since barely nobody cared enough and the anime didn't exactly made a goof job of showing his good side.
-Keiichi was considered, but it was repeatedly mentioned that his quote should be switched to something that's actually representative of why he should be there, isntead of a retarded quote about him being quirky. The fact that this quote is on the fake chart is justa result of people taking shit in their own hands without paying attention to the purpose.

>>33540610
You mean the Luffyfags are more vocal and bitchy, right? I get that, I'm just saying it's not hard to add more characters. Just tag a new column into the OP image, think of two other characters and you're sorted. Can we stop bitching about this now?

People actually like One Piece, see this thread right here:
>>33537370

It represents part of /a/, like it or not. This thread was never about personal tastes to begin with.

Naruto can get the fuck out.

>>33540696
Oh, and:
-Onizuka was heavily contested on both sides. If anybody says there was any sort of consensus, they are trolling. For what it's worth, the Editor eventually decided to leave him out.

>>33540592

You are a faggot if you aren't trolling

You don't measure a hero on the SCALE of he's achievements, that's retarded.
You measure a hero on the worth of those achievements in comparison to his own abilities and limits
A guy that headbutts a man armed with a flamethrower while simultaneously shitting his pants our of fear, but keeps going because he has courage is someone much greater than someone with powers saving the multiverse.

Same for a kid that uses a goddamn net community to stare down a woman that could have him seriously hurt, all for the sake of helping a headless monster he just met, and all this simply because he loves fairy tail endings and happy moments.
And Mikado isn't even on this

>>33540642
>implying Nanoha isn't one of the most badass characters ever created

>>33540765
> And Mikado isn't even on this
Shouldn't be anyways.

Current-season fags are cancer, I tell you,

>>33540772
Oh, another detail: We had finally filtered out the morons who were arguing solely on the basis of being strong or badass.

Thanks for going retrograde on us.

>>33540810

That's stupid, leaving out current season people just because their current season
If their innovative why not add them
I am not saying to add Mikado, just saying that arguing using those points is stupid

>>33540696
I gave an alternate quote for K1 but no one listened back then.
Goddamn it /a/

Hey guys why am I not on this chart? I was doing my best to help Battler and his poor little sister.

>>33537799
36 out of the 55

>>33540655
They're modeled after them, it doesn't make them inferior. And presuming that Luffy has reached some kind of heroic level the others haven't is utterly laughable. You are the faggot for presuming any one is more deserving than the other, when all you're taking into account is the popularity of one over the other on /a/, which has nothing to do with heroism.

>>33540902
> when all you're taking into account is the popularity of one over the other on /a/
> /a/'s hero chart.

retard.

>>33540888
You are on the most fitting chart6 for you, along with Houzuki and Saya.

>>33540902

But the chart has to include unique (which none of the 3 are), heroic characters, that at least represent /a/ somewhat
Out of all 3, Luffy arguably represents /a/ better, just saying

OP is a faggot for using dub names of characters and series (ex: Conan Edogawa/Case Closed and not Shinichi Kudo/Detective Conan).

>>33538780
It's nice how you keep switching semantics to pretend shit: There's a reason Editor called it the "Luffy Chart". THAT's the alternate one.

Kei was not put in there because people bitched about Luffy being in, Luffy was replaced in the final chart. Another was left unedited because people were bitching about Luffy being left out. The difference is pretty significant.

I've only seen 1 anime on that chart but have only watched anime for about 2 months now

will make it my buisness to now see all the anime on that chat

>>33540711
I also think there's a surprising amount of OPfags here. Not the underage retards, but actual reasonable fans.

inb4 >implying greentext

As for his heroism, I think this whole situation helps, though there's also the deal with Impel Down..

>>33541020
>One Piece fans
>reasonable

Hahaha oh wow

>>33540982
Learn to read. Also stop trying to bullshit. Luffy was in the chart ever since the beggining, and is only not present in one of the many versions of the chart.

Besides, a lot of us still remember how it actually happened, especially the last few threads, so stop trying to bullshit.

If what you said was true, it would say KuronoChart and NotKuronoChart.

Instead, we have LuffyChart and NotLuffyChart.

>>33541020

There are very few reasonable OP fans here. But That's more than any forum I have been... So that's good I think.

>>33541054
Ever heard of vocal minority, reverse-trolling and samefagging?

>>33540938
>Heros in anime and manga
More like it. Just because a particular fanbase is vocal doesn't mean it should be acquiesced to. Naruto and Bleach are both discussed at length for whatever reason, and are represented on /a/ as much as One Piece. Yet I don't see any of those who follow them condemning the others while promoting their own hero. Luffy is no more deserving than the other two protagonists, and if you can't appreciate that then I'm sorry, but your Luffyfaggotry has blinded you.

>>33541054
1. make a retarded post pretending to be a retarded fan of something
2. screencap
3. use as evidence of something
4. ????????
5. still a retard

feelsbadman?.jpg

>>33540886
>I gave an alternate quote for K1 but no one listened back then.

The argument was coming to a close.

The problem is when other idiots just come in and start doing shit without paying attention. There was a lot of work put into getting the best possible quote for everyone and Editor paid a lot of attention to what everyone was saying in order to polish them up. It's pretty sad when someone just rolls in and shits over the amount of work that it took to get /a/ working semi-coherently.

>>33541107
>>33541138
>Using excuses you can't prove
>BAWWW MY PRETTY FANBASE COULDN'T BE BAD HURRR

Feeling insecure there, chaps.

>>33540955
Luffy isn't unique either. Goku and Yusuke represent WSJ fightan series well enough without including him.

One of the reasons Luffy was kept in the final chart is exactly this:

in the end, the Troll/Trolls (still not sure if it was one or two, but I'm sure he's in this thread), were even more annoying than the actual people who wanted Luffy in, got in the nerves of even more people, and presented less arguments as to why he shouldn't.

Where are the other boards versions?

>>33541163
name-calling, shitposting and retarded screenshots

yep, I can see luffyhaters were very vocal.

Nostalgia thread anyone?

It's fucking hilarious how discussion the Hero chart is EXACTLY THE SAME as conceiving it, with Luffy at the center, as usual.

Well, the charts aren't gonna change now, this entire thread is pointless.

>>33540765
>You measure a hero on the worth of those achievements in comparison to his own abilities and limits

So 9 years old girl saving few universes and uncounted billions of lives just few weeks after being introduced to magic don't qualify? Or said girl holding off and unstoppable engine of pure destruction? Or said girl working so hard it almost killed her? Or said girl defeating a legendary emperor of ancient times while greatly handicapped and saving a planet in the meantime?

Nanoha is one of the greatest heroes on that chart. If you like it or not.

>>33541144

I alone gave the 3 considered quotes for Edward, I should know
As well as shorten just about all of the walls of text, I remembered the ones I had to post more over and over were Battosai's and Harlock's (which was changed in the end, to my rage)

>>33541267

Who's to say that I don't think that?
Just don't say "she's one of the best" when practically half of the chart, heck more, have achievements on pair with hers or bigger.

>>33541164

Then don't add him, what do I care

In the end, I'm happy with this. My only problem was lack of Mikado, but people as a whole didn't want him, so I dropped it.
Everything else is fine by me

>>33541267
But Nanoha is a mary-sue and you know it.

>>33541201

>>33541267

Indeed. None of that matters shit, and the fact that you are posting it shows you miss the purpose of the chart.

It's not the result or achievements that matter, but the feelings and ideals behind them.

There ARE arguments to be made for Nanoha's case, but the fact that your are bringing this up instead of something actually relevant just hurts your case because it shows you don't understand what it's about.

>>33541381
>I don't know what a mary sue is

So, in summary

-People are never going to agree about Luffy.
-Kei should be in for Yoh

is this all?

>>33541366
>achievements on pair with hers or bigger

Such as? Because nobody else on the chart did anything greater than saving a planet or a single universe at best.

>>33541391

Superior to [a/'s chart in every fucking way.

>>33541508
Yes. See the superior chart here >>33540194
Kurono and Luffy, Yoh is out.

>>33541551

Didn't we agree that scale isn't worth shit, it's the ideals and the level of self-sacrifice and morality behind it that counts?
If all the characters on the list had the same powers, then their actions would be just as great

>>33541508
We also need to replace one of those VN characters with Duck from Princess Tutu.

>>33541551
My God, you are still going on about that. It does not matter. At ALL. There is no difference between the people Vash saved and the people of Lior that Ed unwittingly sunk into a civil war (That on his credit, was going to happen either way).

It's the intention, the ideal behind it. Nobody fucking cares where it's a planet or a starving orphan, it makes no difference.

>>33541592

I suppose
I rather liked Yoh on some aspects, but he's really generic as a whole.
He has a great quote in the final chapters of the manga though, just to point out

Maybe [a/ needs a smaller herochart. Some of these really feel like they're only there so we can make the chart a 11x5. I mean Touma and Shinji? Seriously
I'm also assuming that characters like Luffy or Yoh aren't there, they just don't belong either.

>>33541401

Then enlighten me about Touma's or Edward's ideals behind their actions. Or how are Guts's ideals heroic if he only want revenge for Griffith's betrayal. Or Goku who is as shallow as a broom.

>>33541638
I don't think any of them are replaceable
If we do, K1 is the first in line anyway (with a decent quote) .
Besides, this is more personal, but it's the fucking Magician of Words goddamn it!

Lina Inverse, Guts, and Black Jack are more anti-heroes than heroes...

>>33538147
Replacing Lina Inverse with TOUMAH's wall of text?

You fucking kidding me?

>>33541764
there's lots of anti-heroes there actually

hell, even fucking Yusuke.

>>33541737

Touma is the fucking king of moralfaggots, he's the one that adheres most to the archetype of "hero" in that entire damned chart.

Edward is probably the most unique of the shounen ones on there. His entire love for life, even going to such extents as changing the definition to fit his own needs for compassion, his undying resolve to fix the shit he did, and at the same time, always trying his best to never leave anyone in the shit while doing it, even if it's just a bunch of souls without hope.

>>33541658

To be honest almost all characters on said chart don't have any great ideals behind their actions.