ITT: Idiots who don't understand localisation.

in b4 checkmate

superior subs lol

lold

inb4 bakemonogatari

>[gg]'s subbing strategy

>>32734126
yes, like you

YES! MORE AWESOME FANSUBS! I love these threads.

>>32734393

Jesus Christ that really is awful.

>>32734381
No, like anyone who complains when the meaning remains equivalent, as with the majority of gg's localisation choices.

>>32734607
...Are you being serious?

What is wrong with [gg] subs? I don't think I've ever watched anything that they have worked on.

But none of the ones that have been posted are even from gg.

>>32734611

Sup Koda.

>>32734659
That coalguys early release episode sure was awesome.

>>32734648
Butthurt weeaboos miss their honorifics and jumbled Japanenglish grammar

>>32734648
People don't like the fact they do a localisation instead of a direct translation. They change things around so they mean pretty much the same, but make more sense to people with less knowledge of Japanese culture and humour. They also add curse-words in instead of impolite wording, which butthurt weeaboos don't like, even though it's the Western way of representing a certain level of rudeness towards somebody.

The troll subs for the first K-ON episode were fucking hilarious.

>>32734643

What, I mean sure it's funny.

But don't they have superiors or something? I don't see how they can get away with that.

Unless of course...

>>32734719
There's being an asshole, then there's being an aspie.

>>32734719
>localisation instead of a direct translation
Oh then I understand completely.
I don't watch them in Japanese because of voice acting.
It's because I hate it how they change what they are saying.

>>32734688
Calling people on /a/ weeaboos? You're on the wrong board. We like the honorifics.

>>32734741
>Unless of course...
Yep.

My favourite was:
DING DONG DING DONG
*WE KNOW THE BELL IS MEANT TO GO DING DONG DANG DONG BUT HERE AT COALGUYS WE HAVE LOCALISED IT TO DING DONG DING DONG*

Or whatever they put.

...

>>32734774
It means the exact same, it's just a different way of saying it.

>>32734719
Japanese doesn't really have curse words though. Just "I'm talking impolitely at you" words.

Temee doesn't mean "goddamn motherfucking cunt whore" and people who are like, hurr durr, localisation, don't understand translation.

>>32734842
If you spoke like that to Japan, they'd look at you like you'd just raped their mother.

What do you mean you can be verbally rude to someone without calling them a 'slutty bitch cunt'?

>>32734842
Guess what? In the West we have "I'm talking impolitely at you" words too. They're called curse words.

I watch subs for the original experience, if I cared about localization I'd wait for dubs.

>>32734893
gg is too stupid to write tone into their translation.

>>32734793
yeah, these trollsubs were really funny.

on the other hand, it's really annoying when newfags start to show screenshots from them as actual failsubs.

>>32734906

And we also have "I'm talking impolitely at you" that aren't curse words.

What's your point?

You know what? The word faggot does not belong in my cartoons, that doesn't happen in the west either. If you want to claim it's 'localization not trolling,' explain why 'faggot' is so prolific in their subs?

>>32734972
No we don't. Lrn2English.

>>32734982

lol stop beng so srs fgt xD

>>32734798
Hahahahaha

I like gg's subs...

>>32734910
Truth.

>>32734995
You don't have to be such a jerk about it.

so how long before this is put up on sankaku?

>>32734995

Hello limited vocabulary.

>Lrn2English

derp

Let me guess. You're the kind of person who swears like a sailor IRL and can't get a point across without saying "fuck" at least once?

>>32734982
They go for how people actually converse in real life, rather than the horrible mess most cartoons/dubbed anime show.

>>32735071

so funi xD

>>32734779
We HEAR our honorifics. The honorifics in the subtitles maybe would be useful to people who know at least a little about the Japanese culture... but they would be easily able to figure them out on their own while listening to the show, so pretty much it defeats all purpose and you just scare newfags with particles they don't understand. I at least don't think scaring newfags away from anime is a good thing.

>>32735071
I liked [gg]'s subs for Baka Test. The comments like that made it very enjoyable for me.

>>32735079
Actually I'm in the third year of an English degree, at a university in England. I also did Japanese as a side module in my first two years.

Nice try though.

wapanese

So many anally aggravated fansubbers here. Look, your localizations are just as bad as a direct translation of the words. Both lose a lot of meaning. What you should aim for is a good translation, and that has elements of both direct translating and localization. Let me show you what I mean. Let's take the Japanese phrase "gou ni haitte wa gou ni shittagae."
Direct translation - "when in someone's native land, follow their laws." This is incredibly stilted and while the words have been translated into English, the nuance of the phrase has not been translated.
Localization - "quit being a faggot and do what I do." While this gets somewhat closer to the meaning, it loses just as much trying to be cool.
Good translation - "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." The Japanese phrase has been translated into an phrase that any English speaker should be familiar with and has the same meaning as the original Japanese dialogue.

>>32734906
>In the West we have "I'm talking impolitely at you" words too. They're called curse words.
They're called "I'm insulting you" words.

>>32735128
>credentials on the internet

Hey, me too!

>>32735083
not everyone converses using the word faggot out loud all the time

just a tip

>>32735145
Yes they do.

If you don't, you're a faggot.

>>32734910
>I watch subs for the original experience
PROTIP: The only way to get the "original" experience is to be completely fluent in Japanese (both language and culture) and watch it raw. Any other way is diluting the "experience", and no, subs are not closer to the original than a dub. It fucks with plenty of shit like the pacing of lines, particular speech patterns, divides your attention between reading and actually watching, etc.

>>32735074
shitkaku has already done two "failsub" posts in the last week or so.

>>32735190

>>32735071
gg is fucking awesome, made baka test alot better IMO

>>32735128
>>32735128
Demand a refund from your school, cause if you think stringing curse words together is the only way to be rude, you're not getting the education you're paying for. Hell, you're probably not even out of high school.

god damn you guys are a bunch of faggots, quit bitching about fansubbing and just learn to fucking deal with it, or learn to actually interpret japanese and watch the shit raw.

>>32735145
>America
>Not say 'faggot' constantly

nigga you trippin

>>32735134
The "good translation" is what localization actually is. Your "localization" is just bad subs, nothing to do with localizing at all.

>>32735241
I could write an essay on evolution of language bollocks, and why it's acceptable in a media environment, but I can't be arsed. It's fucking 7AM.

>>32735244

Sup gg

gg should just die for all I care.

>>32735071
Wow, gg subs are way more entertaining, thank god I've been trusting them for a while.

>>32735295
Sup random /a/ fag?

IMO, swear words are the most efficient way of conveying disrespect, rage, etc. Anyone who intends to use the English language to the fullest can and should use some of them.

That said, it depends on atmosphere. For Baka Test, it's ok because it's a school, which is an informal setting.

>>32734719

While I do appreciate the effort of proper localization, I still think there's a certain line when it comes to fansubs. Some shows just can't be localized very well, and any effort to do so alienates the [small] demographic that would watch it in the first place. Mostly, it's just shows set in Japan that this mindset affects, because all the honorifics and jokes/references are lost in translation. It's questionable whether shows like this would even be worth professional localization, seeing as how it still might not appeal to a typical Western viewer.

Don't get me wrong though, I still love proper localization, but only if it works with the material. I mean, if I was watching a fantasy show like Slayers, I'd feel any use of honorifics were out of place. And proper localization usually gets rid of all those annoying "It can't be helped" and That is..." phrases, because the translators are too damn lazy to write anything creative/sensible.

Basically, I'm saying that direct translations and localization should be applied in a case-by-case scenario.

>>32735252
>America
I've never met an American worth speaking to who talked like that.

>>32735134
most reasonable response in thread

>Mazui/Ayako/Eclipse/TMD_Raze/KAA/[insert sub group here]>raws>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>
;>>>>>>>>>[gg]

>>32735216
YOU SUCK MCBANE

i fucking love [gg]

>>32735424
Thats a foul. I'm taking the ball and going home.

>>32735403
trolltits_humps_lancer.jpg

>>32735479
CANT UNSEE

>>32735396
you're a faggot, and obviously not American, meaning your sensibilities are more in tune with a woman, and from your posts you are seemingly quite easily perturbed.

That said, why the fuck are you on /a/, go watch your "good" translations you faggot.

>>32735424
Rainer Wolfcastle: I play a man who has been gone from home for years, and when I return, I'm horrified to find out that my son is a nerd.
Kent Brockman: Ha, ha! Hilarious!
Rainer Wolfcastle: It's not a comedy!

>>32735174

What are you? Fucking 12? It's past your bedtime.

>>32735514
>HURR FAGGOT, AM I COOL YET /a/?

also, does anyone else dislike the way 一、二and三年生 are translated into freshman, junior and senior?

>>32735550
If you fall for such an obvious troll, I think it's you that's up past their bedtime.

>>32735591

Nice comeback, try again when you grow hair on your nuts.

>>32735579
Yes, because I understand Japan's way of doing that shit better than America's way.

>Tough guy online!
>Stutters in person!

>>32735514
The same could be said for you. Keep watching your shitty translations.

Maybe one day, you'll stop being such a filthy gaijin american pig and become a super sugoi nipponjin!

WAAAH THERE AREN'T ENOUGH YOSH'S CHAN'S KUN'S NAKAMA'S KAWAII'S OR TRANSLATOR'S NOTES FOR THINGS THAT HAVE AN ENGLISH EQUIVALENT IN MY SUBS THEREFORE THEY SUCK


that is what you sound like.

hay guise let's argue about the usage of faggot in american culture

that should make good conversation!

>>32735579
No.

>>32735645

I could do without the honorifics, but the localization is pretty shitty. Any use of the word "faggot" outside of 4chan makes you look like the /b/tards spouting memes in public.

>>32735676
>didn't read the thread

>>32735739
I hate to break this to you, but the word "faggot" has been around for a lot longer than 4chan.

which of these shots are actually real and not doctored or troll subs

kuns, chans etc have no need to be subbed.

just tell me wtf my waifu is saying ACCURATELY, within 24 hours of the original airing and i have no problems


and oh keep your shitty TN's to yourselves. WE DONT FUCKING CARE

ITT: we bitch about [gg] doing what REAL, professional, subtitlers do: LOCALIZING.

Because [gg] actually takes the time to localize many of their scripts, they (sometimes) impart a translated anime that captures the spirit of the original language better than any straight translation can.

If you haven't seen it, go to YouTube and look up Otaking77077's 5-part video on anime fan-subbing for a better perspective of fan-subbing vs REAL subbing.

I will grant you this: [gg] does go over the top every now and then with their profanity and other colloquialisms... but there are worse groups out there, those that translate words selectively.

tl;dr:

>>32735134
>>32735383
>>32734719

Baka Test is the first show I've gotten from gg and I wouldn't use any other. Mochi's subs are lame weaboo bullshit, gg makes a good show into a great one.

>>32734739
Hate to be a /r/-fag, but /r/ing troll subs torrent name or link.

>>32735759

I do realize this, but it's usage is pretty synonymous with 4chan today. I hope you realize that saying "faggot" as an insult to anyone in public will flag you as a 4channer by anyone who's even browsed these boards in a heartbeat.

gg should have trollsubbed Umineko.

Would have made it watchable if they had.

k im going to go out and say i enjoyed [gg]'s subs
Nyan Koi
Baka to Test
Kampfer
I enjoyed these shows due to their humor and maybe [gg] had something to do with that.

>>32735814

The posts you linked to are saying the exact opposite of what you're saying.

Good Localization: Things that cannot be translated properly into English or references to Japanese culture that non-Japanese would not understand.

Bad Localization: Changing the dialogue for the sake of sounding "common" or "natural english that you'd hear out on the street".

Translation does not have to be word for word, but don't fucking change the entire sentence and add unnecessary additions to sound "mature" or, worse, to appease /a/.

>>32735842
wtf are you smoking? my dad calls gay's fags all the time and hes not a channer.

>>32735842
no, it'll just flag you as someone who's part of every day life. You need to step away from the computer and go outside every once in a while, not everything's 4chan related.

>>32735383

The localization alot of fansubs actually aim at are, US. We know quite a few groups are on /a/, and if you visit a few irc channels of even the good groups you know they are practically basement dwellers while spend all day on the internet.

>>32735899

I do step outside quite often, thanks for worrying. We'll just agree to disagree.

>>32735814
Please stop pretending that you're even remotely professional, Koda.

>>32735842
It really, REALLY isn't "synonymous" with 4chan, at all.

>>32735815
>Mochi's subs are accurate and bring a more "real" feel to the show


ftfy

>>32735877
Pretty much.

But let the kids fight each other more. They need to release stress from getting bullied all the time.

what's funny is that a majority of the posters probably don't understand enough Japanese to have a substantial opinion

>>32735814
indeed; while their translation is over-the-top, it is actually quite good, especially for speedsubs. Thus, for watching it as ongoing, probably gg is the best group. I tend not to archive anime from them, tho. Didn't have much of a choice with SZS, but they did a really good job there translating everything, so it's ok.

>>32735928

Really? Go to any popular boards on 4chan and see if you can't find the word "faggot" scribbled all over the place like it's going out of style.

>>32735842

Wrong.

But it does flag you as someone who's incredibly obnoxious and immature.

>>32735978

Must just be the area I live in then.

>>32735964

I like to believe that since there were multiple groups subbing Baka Test, gg took more liberties with it, which can't be said of SZS.

>>32735894
>>32735899
>>32735842

The people my age who I know are not of the gaming community don't spam faggot as much as the people who I know have spent even a fleetingly short few weeks on here do.

>>32735814
>>32735814
Dohohohohoh

>>32736035
yeah, this is true. Still, there were things like the "troll" episode in Zan... which actually were pretty funny and sharp localizations, even if still over the top.

>>32735963
While it's true that someone who doesn't understand Japanese would have no credibility when talking about a group's accuracy, you don't need to know a word of Japanese to spot bad subs or localizations that bend over backwards to avoid falling over forward. Long before I learned Japanese, I could tell Working Designs was a horrible localization company because I found it incredibly hard to believe the Japanese would make a character spout badly pronounced Spanish in the middle of battle. Badly pronounced English? Sure. Spanish? No.

>>32735877
>Good translations leave awkward shit like "It can't be helped" in instead of adapting it to contextually to what is being said

>>32734793
someone PLEASE tell me they have a screenshot of this

>>32736154

After a while you realise that too literal sounds shit, no emotion, too much or too specific localization is clearly losing everything. Adding in words or phrases when a character is talking that don't fit the situation correctly is just annoying (character raging at someone and tl is along the lines of: Fuck, FUCK you, asshole, shithead [any LONG string of 'offensive' words you don't need a sentence of just swear words]).

>>32736186
>Good translations cater to myself and /a/, because we're a super sekrit klub with awesome memes XD

Also, "it can't be helped" is a common phrase that has been translated that way for a long fucking time. Unfortunately, there is no better alternative to translate that sentence into English. Welcome to Foreign Languages! They tend to be different than English. I know this must blow your mind right about now, but bear with me here.

>>32736154
i think you havent watched zatch bell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TawoZ3AjbeM

>>32736154

I actually like Ted Woolsey's translations compared to the literal translations of square soft games so

no opinion on WD though

>>32736154

And then Bleach happened.

>>32736354
Yeah, half the reason I learned Japanese was to avoid having to deal with the translations. 90% of the time, they go too formal, and it doesn't sound like natural speech. The rest of the time, they go so nuts with the localization that there's absolutely no connection to the original dialogue. I cringe to think of what they did with Fang's dialogue in FFXIII.

>>32736459
Who said Bleach had badly written Spanish?

It's Kubo's own made up language that happens to be similar to Spanish.

>>32736287
Yes, there's no one phrase in English that conveys everything that the phase means in Japanese! Great job so far!

However, translating the character's particular intention in using that given phrase is entirely possible! In other words, you translate what the language means, not the language itself!

As an example: A student character speaking in English to his teacher would use "you." If you were translating that interaction into French, the student would use "vous," not "tu," even though that distinction doesn't exist in English. Unless the student is actively being rude, that's how that conversation works in the new language!

The same is true for Japanese! Shock and awe!

>>32735948
TRANSLATOR'S NOTE IT'S WOOD GLUE

>>32736486
And that's why FFXII had one of the best translations ever in video gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9769vztXW4

In fact, for the most part, I found the English to be superior to the Japanese

>>32736287
Wouldn't it fit to translate it into "What can you do?" or something?

>>32736573
holy shit, fran sounds just like lady amalthea from the last unicorn

>>32736573
A.O Smith is like the best in the industry

>>32736530
To add to this. I'll give a concrete example.

In the Count of Monte Cristo, there is a part where the Count says "vous" to Haydee. Haydee then asks why he doesn't say "tu." The bad Victorian translation had it as her saying "why are you being cold" But he wasn't being cold, he just wasn't being intimate. And so the awesome Penguins classic translated it to it to her saying "why are you being so formal." Which is exactly what the Count was being.

Point is: Although no two languages are 1:1 translatable, there are always ways to convey the same meaning. The thing is most fansubbers are shit translators and don't realize this. And most people who watch fansubs have only experienced translations via watching fansubs and have never actually experienced real translating (I have spent time comparing Beowulf and other old/middle english texts with that of their modern day english equivalents. Not only that, but I spend time looking at translator's notes at the back of novels to see how they changed things around to convey the same meaning).

>>32736738

we aren't dealing with tale of genji here, it's baka test

>>32736530
And you're an idiot! But that's stating the obvious. It helps to try to be a bit more original next time you try to come up with a HILARIOUS RESPONSE XD next time.
So, apart from the fact that I still have no fucking clue what the hell you just said, I'm just going to leave and remind you that you have no idea what you're talking about and I doubt you even can understand the language, hence you don't really have a valid opinion here. Please leave /a/ and go back to animesuki or wherever the hell you crawled out from.

>>32736584
仕 方ない; Literally, means/method/way not.
Difficult phrase to translate, but Japanese is full of them

>>32735383
I wonder how gg would handle Zetsubou.

>>32736787
I know that, but the point still stands: most fansubbers don't know how to make a good translation. They don't realize that you don't need to litter everything with TL: notes because there are ways to convey the same exact meaning without TL notes.

If you want to put TL notes at the end of the episode, then that's fine. But shows are meant to be watched not read, and having a huge paragraph explaining something because you're too much of a shitty translator to translate properly is worse than watching a shitty dub

tl;dr fansub wars team otaking vs team weeaboo whoever wins we lose except if team otaking wins because it's the correct side but OPINIONS and if you disagree i invite you to fuck off back to gaia but i acknowledge your dissent

>>32736823
Aw, are upset that I used your super original insult style against you? You poor thing.

Then again, you are calling me an idiot when you completely fail to grasp very simple concepts, so I guess I can't have too much sympathy for you.

It's not hard to understand, sport. When you actually translate something, you don't translate the words themselves, you translate the meaning behind the words.

Is that simple enough for you now, or are you just going to throw a hissyfit again and throw out as many generic insults as you can?

I hate when when translators do stupid things like using "senior" for "senpai". Don't faggots realize that nobody talks that way? Either leave in senpai, or take it out altogether.

>thread

>>32737113

That's part of the endless argument. I'm fine with either leaving in honorifics or situation specific things, but some people hate it when a word is left untranslated. Or inconsistencies show up one minute using it, the next not.

>>32736738
>>32736887

Borrowing words is absolutely nothing new in the field of translation, nor are translation notes. Not every concept can be conveyed in a different language well and forcing translation is stupid.

The fact here is that we are experiencing foreign media and stripping away of its foreigness defeats the purpose. If anyone feels their culture is so superior then they should only take in media originally made for their own culture.

>>32737369
Nice strawman there buddy. No one has ever said that American culture is superior. This has nothing to do with what culture is better or not. This has to do with the fact that good translators will localize certain things and will find ways around the language barrier to convey certain things. There's a reason why professional translators in films don't have TRANSLATORS NOTES dangling everywhere when you watch a foreign film. I've seen many french films and I don't see people bitching about keeping in "vous" or "tu" in there. The only time I see people bitching about not keeping the foreign words in there are weeaboos.

No one complains when it's a Chinese film being subbed, a French film, a spanish film, a korean film, an italian film, etc. Or when you read novels from other languages do you complain that the translator took liberties in order to convey the same meaning?

>>32737170
>but some people hate it when a word is left untranslated.

this.

if it has an english equivalent, it damn well better be used. i can't fucking stand untranslated words with TL notes because the weeaboo fuck stick thinks it's OH SO SUGOI~~~~

>>32737369
it's not about stripping away the foreign things out of it. CULTURAL things like festivals, food, names, etc can stay untranslated (and keep that fucking TL note out of there. if it has to be explained put it in a .txt)

but anything with an english (or whatever) equivalent should be put into english. no half-translated TL Note soup, like those gintama screenshots that float around here.

>>32737619
This!

For instance, do we really need this TL note? We can gather from the context clues from the line itself that Oyaji has to do with something old

>>32737555

>This has to do with the fact that good translators will localize certain things and will find ways around the language barrier to convey certain things.

No, good translators will try to convey the original as best as possible. If that means using certain words from the original language, then so be it.

The English langauge is full of foreign words and many of them especially in the last 100 years are the result of translators borrowing them. The same can be said for many other languages, including Japanese.

>There's a reason why professional translators in films don't have TRANSLATORS NOTES dangling everywhere when you watch a foreign film.

Their reasons aren't related to understandability so what your saying is fallacious.

>No one complains when it's a Chinese film being subbed, a French film, a spanish film, a korean film, an italian film, etc.

There isn't a foreign media scene in America as large as the Japanese one. And yes, I would be angry if I watched a foreign film in any language and the people were talking like /b/tards.

>when you read novels from other languages do you complain that the translator took liberties in order to convey the same meaning?

Go read some foreign books. I've read PLENTY of works where they keep original words and concepts intact with footnotes explaining them. This is nowhere near new uncommon. The shitstorms associated with it when it comes to anime are mostly of the result of people just trying to be anti-weeaboo.

>>32734126
>idiots who fucking overrate a speed-sub group

i often questioned this, then i thought "what kind of subs would baby naruto prefer?"

*cough*

>>32737619

>it's not about stripping away the foreign things out of it. CULTURAL things like festivals, food, names, etc can stay untranslated (and keep that fucking TL note out of there. if it has to be explained put it in a .txt)

Except culture is something embedded within language. When you not only translate, but needlessly localize into a completely different culture you are deculturalizing the original. The point of translation should be to bridge the translation gap--not the other way around.

>but anything with an english (or whatever) equivalent should be put into english. no half-translated TL Note soup, like those gintama screenshots that float around here.

Most of the time, but it is a case by case basis.

>>32738031

*culture gap