manga all the way

no

Shut-in master race reporting in.

>tier means animal in german

Vodka means "water" in Russian.

>normalfag tier
I'm ok with this

The problem with anime-only (or mostly) fans is that they often refuse to read the source material for the shows they watch. That pisses me off, especially when they try to have serious discussions about plot and characters when only a small portion of the story has been animated, like all those Haruhi fans who have never read the novels.

The Master of Everything Reporting in

>>32471979
no, that's voda

>>32471979
Not exactly , "voda" is water

Yeah, I agree with this.

Also, why hasn't there been more of a market to license and bring more Light Novel series over the pond?

im ok with this

In America, anime is more normalfag/mainstream than manga, which is more mainstream than light novels.

>sitting on your ass and reading comic books that cause you to be a social outcast
Boy, the definition of gentleman sure has changed.

gent-mal tier
i usually only watch anime if i really like the manga

Chai means tea. Enjoy your tea tea.

I like 'em all

Faggot tier:
All of them

>>32472100
You mean like all the idiots discussing Durarara and Baccano?

>>32472100
There's also a more extreme example.

Eloquen/t g/entlemen go in /tg/ I am afraid.

>>32472231
Same with us Ausfags.

Serious VN (the ones without random shitty p0rn or retarded main characters) are better than most of animu and mango.

Normalfag here.

Umineko, Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime are shit.

tier lists are all shit tier
no exceptions

this is /b/ shit to the extreme

>>32472313
>Serious VN (the ones without random shitty p0rn or retarded main characters) are better than most of animu and mango.
HAHAHAHAHA No

Normalfag Gentleman here.

>>32472360
He's right though. Stuff like Ever17 is excellent.

>>32472313
It's a pity that they are like 1% of all VNs.

manga > anime > * > being sodomized >> light novels

>my opinion>your opinion

I disagree. Only people who have never read books can really like light novels. Even visual novels have better writing.

>>32472437
>has never actually read a light novel

there is nothing wrong with tits here or there

>>32472173
I think light novels could do really well over here if a non-manga publisher licensed a bunch of them and marketed them as young adult novels. As it is now, they get shelved in the manga section and only attract niche fans. I guess they would have to change the cover art and illustrations so as not to scare away people who aren't used to seeing manga-style character designs in their books.

Light novels are trash. Gentlemen read real novels for literature, manga for a more visual medium. Light novels are shit made by "writers" too bad to make proper novels and too lazy to draw manga or too pretentious to get someone to draw for them.

>>32472457
I've read Haruhi Suzumiya, it was meh.
Reading Bakemonogatari now, not so bad, though. but still far from perfect.

>>32472388
Ever17 is good but you can only give me a few examples of good VN in comparison with Anime and Manga

>>32472515
Forgot to mention I agree completely with the rest of the list. It's just that LN are almost as bad as visual novels.

>>32472515

>>32472536
>>32472515
>Opinion

>>32472515
...But most light novels have separate illustrators for their drawings. Derp.

>>32472525
Reading them translated, or in Japanese?

ITT: My opinions > your opinions, etc.

>>32472580
In Japanese. As far as I know, Bakemonogatari isn't translated.

Spice and Wolf LN was good.

MY TASTES > YOUR TASTES

Light Novels are horrible.

They are essentially shitty anime scripts in novel form.

>>32472437
If you've only read translations, then that's probably why. The main difference between light novels and "proper literature" is that the language is more accessible (furigana on uncommon kanji, casual grammar). The subject matter is also usually less serious, but that doesn't mean it's always poor writing. It's a less restricted medium than more formal novels, so it can result in creative storytelling.

>Light novels
>not shit tier

>>32472592

Fuck you, my opinion > your opinion.

Talking about novels, where is the rest 115 of my guin saga books? It's like they are waiting for me to die now, sad since all fans translations ragequit.

Light Novels are like those novels you buy on the supermarket.

>people saying that visual novels and light novels are worse than anime
>don't realize that 40% of anime is based on one of those two media

>>32472313
Most VNs have random porn. They just changed the name eroge to visual novel to get more female readers.. and it works.

>>32472602
>>32472525
Tell me you've read Zaregoto.

I wish I could.

I do all three, what does that make me?

>This thread

>>32472646
>They just changed the name eroge to visual novel
Yeah, no

>>32472679
Master race.

>>32472638

nice statistic you pulled out of your ass there

I find generalizing mediums to be fucking retarded.

Each and every medium has gems which everyone should check out, regardless of who they are.

>>32472638
Is reading a script better than watching it applied to a visual medium? No.

>>32472638

Most anime based off visual novels are complete shit. The only exceptions are KyoAni/Key.

There is a certain style necessary when it comes to writing literature versus film/TV. That isn't there in light novels. They are shit tier from a literature standpoint. They are basically just scripts for anime and might as well be animated.

>>32472741
So people aren't allowed to estimate anymore?

>>32471915
I endorse this.

>>32472774
How many light novels have you read to come to this conclusion?

>Light novels anywhere but shit tier.

il watch anime till im capped then read manga. its not that big a deal

>>32472646
>to get more female readers
BL novels exist too, check the latest anime adaptation for next season Togainu
fujoshis love those novels and normal ones girls can just skip the porn

>>32472780
no

>>32472679
A tasteless weeaboo.

>>32472800
No.

LN/VN > manga >>>>>> anime.

>>32472638
It's like you've never read anything at all in all mediums mentioned, since when are adaptations better than the original? Especially if it's adapted into an anime, scarcely.

>>32472768
>>32472774
With regards to Light Novels, this is a legitimate point. Many, if not most, are basically just written versions of an anime, and not really like a real book. Kind of like a book I saw a few times many many years back; a novelization of the Jurassic Park movie... even though there was already the actual novel the movie was based on. Light Novels are usually closer to that kind of thing than an actual book.

That said there are still a few advantages to consuming something in written form, and you would be a fool to say otherwise. Because of this, I wouldn't say anime is inherently better.

>>32472911
Quote the wrong person?

Manga is good; anime is good and I basically think of them as one in the same. I prefer the animation medium though.

Light/Visual novels however are both trash, however, with little literary value. Light and Visual Novels are shit tier Japanese literature and porn. The only good VN I've played is Umineko.

Light novels are great. Manga is great.

Anime is meh.

More text and words is always bad. If it has art and sound, that means it's better as a story.

>>32472973
>Light/Visual novels however are both trash, however, with little literary value. Light and Visual Novels are shit tier Japanese literature and porn. The only good VN I've played is Umineko.

So you've basically done the VN version of watching the big 3, k-on, and Cowboy Bebop and then saying anime sucks and Bebop is the only good one?

The problem with light novels is that there is only the medium of text to present an idea. As the text has to be completely translated to be understood by us (Unless you are able to read Japanese well), the original image the author was going for will end up being mangled. This problem isn't as bad in manga and anime, due to the more universal mediums that they employ alongside the language.

What seems to be going on is that light novels are constantly being compared to 'real' literature, while anime and manga are just compared with each other.
How about, you know, LN's compared to anime and manga?

"Light novels" are kids' books.

Oh, wait -- this is 4chan.

>>32473020
I realize you're kidding, but I get the feeling this is half of the reasoning behind hating LNs/VNs. It makes sense, considering this is the time of day that all the kiddies are coming home from school, too.

Anime doesn't compare to real film
Manga doesn't compare to real graphic novels
Light novels doesn't compare to real literature

Manga is the one medium in which there is the most creativity and artistic value out of the ones listed.
VNs are stupid "Oh my god you saw my panties now you have to fuck me, also, cheap melodrama" pervert-pandering shit, they deserve the tier they're in, and if one is made lower than that, they should go to it.
Light novels are streamlined shit, either to just pander to otaku with crap like Index or whatever or just an excuse for a writer to not have to do the actual work behind script writing. "Hey, someone will eventually adapt these for me, I just have to keep on with my crap writing."
Anime is mostly adaptations. Original anime tends to be quite creative as well, and therefore has its merits.

So: Manga > Anime > LN > VN

i read only mangas, but i do have a social life (like a normalfag) so wtf i am?

>>32473186

It's nice how you say how all VNs are eroges, and all LN's are Index shit. It's fascinating, really.

OP's chart is nice because there is no tier really better than the other. They branch off in 3 different directions and there is no linear best to worst bullshit.

>>32473036
I agree, light novels are meant for casual entertainment; they aren't striving to be literary masterpieces. I think light novels are usually the equivalent of young adult literature in the West. Compared to manga, with a light novel you can get a more complete story, with a more intricate plot and better developed characters. A good writer has to make up for the lack of visuals on each page by writing interesting exposition. Some LN writers use kanji in a creative way that is completely lost in translation.

>>32473141
"Anime" are kids' cartoons.

Oh wait - you're retarded.

>>32473186
>VNs are stupid "Oh my god you saw my panties now you have to fuck me, also, cheap melodrama" pervert-pandering shit, they deserve the tier they're in, and if one is made lower than that, they should go to it.
>has never played a VN

>>32473203
All VNs are at least dating games and the few LNs that are not Railgun are basically just concepts for anime.
I mentioned this.

>>32473186
>Visual novels are all dating sims
Teehee.

>>32473036

The thing about VNs, anime, and manga is that they're doing something you don't see anywhere else to the same degree.

Light Novels simply aren't that great of literature. There are much better things out there you can read from Japan and English. The only reason to read a light novel is if it has an anime adaptation.

>>32473176
>real graphic novels

what?

>>32471915
I enjoy them all.

What tier am I?

Anime > visual novels > manga >>>>>> light novels

What if i manga and anime?

gentlemen normal shut-in weeabo here

Light novels should move over to the shut-in weaboo tier

>>32473259
>Phoenix Wright is a dating sim
>yeah no

>>32473284
He means stuff like The Sandman.

>>32473309
average /a/non tier

>>32473342
Phoenix Wright is an adventure game. Saying it's a VN is like saying Loom and Monkey Island are VNs.

>>32472973
facepalm.jpg

And manga have such high literary value, right? LN are supposed to be written as if it's like an anime or manga. That's what LN are normally in Japan. And LN are still quite a new thing, but it's getting more popular. Also, cool opinion bro.

>comparing media in general rather than enjoying what each has to offer.

Sure is shit tier elitist faggots in this thread. Feels good being a superior otaku who does everything and judges them on a case to case basis.

>>32473176
>Anime doesn't compare to real film
not always true
>Manga doesn't compare to real graphic novels
manga = graphic novels
>Light novels doesn't compare to real literature
sounds about right

>>32473376

Pheonix Wright is a VN.

>>32473376
Protip: visual novels are a medium, not a genre. Adventure games can be visual novels.

Nobody here has read any light novels, and only dislikes the idea of them.

>>32473426
Visual novels aren't games, they're two different mediums.

Phoenix Wright is a game.

>>32473186
Cool generalization bro.

>>32473407
Maybe we just compare them to find out each medium's strengh and weakness?

LN's are rather enjoyable, IMO. Yeah, some of them are the screenplay in written form, but some of them allow you to get into the heads of the characters better. While anime doesn't allow for lengthy breaks for the character to mull over his thoughts, LN's do. (See: Spice & Wolf, Haruhi)

Furthermore, some novels continue farther than their adaptations ever will. That is, if Tokyopop gets off their asses and hires someone to finish translating the series. I'm looking at you, FMP.

Other novels (of anime-original material) provide a lot of sidestories and background explanation. The more or less work as a companion piece to the anime, barely treading the same ground. The Code Geass novels are like this. I think the Macross Frontier and Gundam 00 novels are like this, too.

Light novels are supposed to be mindless fluff it's in the fucking name. I don't get why people are trying to defend them.

>>32473459

Pheonix Wright is a Visual Novel.

>>32473459
Plenty of visual novels have the same amount, or MORE 'gameplay' than the Ace Attorney series does. You're just extremely uninformed. Phoenix Wright is a VN.

>>32473459
Phoenix Wright has no real gameplay, you learn and do everything through text and portraits, and the only way to lose is to fail a logic puzzle or go outside character.
Its a VN.

I like all of those.

>>32473459

You're right. Just like romance VN's are a game in that you have to choose the right flags to win. They are not exclusive.

It's a VN.

ITT: people who can't even read or watch what they are judging in its original language. Also, generalization and evaluating from a small sample of entire genres and mediums.

Fail.

>>32473523
No one's saying it's deep shit, but it is true that you can do fun things with the written word that you can't with visual media (and vice-versa).

Also, pic related.

Ubermensch Tier:
IRL

God Tier:
Literature

Royalty Tier:
Movies

>>32473407
the only right person

>>32473523
>I don't get why people are trying to downplay them for not being literary masterpieces.

Fix'd.

>>32473523
Because most anime and manga is also "mindless fluff" and saying that LNs suck by comparing them to real 'literature' is idiotic. They are the kind of book that compares better to The Da Vinci Code (which I would much prefer a lot of LNs to). It's entirely irrational to say LNs are inherently worse as a medium.

Light Novels are just anime/manga without any art. And hey, without art, all anime/manga are pretty awful, literature-wise. So that's all you're left with.

I've never read any, but I know I'm right!

>>32473393
>LN are supposed to be written as if it's like an anime or manga. That's what LN are normally in Japan.

Not really but there are lots like that which are desperate for anime adaptions. A correct description (for good light novels) would be genre writing influenced by manga, anime and boogiepop.

>>32473597
Congratulations.

>>32473597
No.

>>32473176
Oh look, it's /co/ again. Do we need to go at it again? Can't we just make it short? Manga > rest of comics.

>>32473621
>Not really but there are lots like that are desperate for anime adaptions

And most manga aren't either?