>>31577715
If I had the money to buy anime I'd just use it on faster internets so I can download more anime in the meantime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAXl05rJNQ

I'll never buy anime.

>>31577715
In exchange for that, perhaps you could create the business model which makes that shit fly? I know I couldn't.

I don't get it. You know why K-on! got another season? High sales. If we bought things like Baccano! and Birdy, Japan would make more seasons to make money off us.

>>31577818
>implying NA had anything to do with K-On! S2

>>31577715
No, no you wouldn't.

If they came out like this, you world torrent them like you normally do.

>>31577891
Way to read the whole post. If another country buys their shit, they'd produce more to make more money.

>>31577715
>shit that will never happen.jpeg
cause your too picky and cheap, jewbag

>>31577932
Name 1 series where American sales influenced a sequel.

>>31578081
Not technically a sequel, but Gundam Seed did have it's name changed from Gundam SIN so it would be more marketable in America.

>>31577818
>implying Japan gives a shit about sales in America

>>31577932
Also, there is a fallacy in your idea. When another country gets distribution rights, they pay a lump sum for a duration of time. Meaning that sales of individual products, DVDs, advertising rev from broadcasting, misc merchandise, the original content creators see no money from it.

>>31577818
>Have ass subtitles?

What is this, I don't even.

>>31578277
Fucking idiot.

>>31578277
Are you a troll? Do you know nothing about contemporary fansubs?

>>31578173
now your making shit up.

>>31577715
I will still torrent them.

>>31578221
I think the theory is to have it available directly from the production companies

>>31578081
Big O.

>>31578277
I never heard of ass subtitles, so the name threw me off.

>>31578081
Bakugan and Duel Masters. Shitty shows(well, DM is awesome), but examples. Bakugan's sequels were made specifically for NA. Could you imagine Brains Base making Baccano! S2, just for us? That's never gonna happen.

When the industry does that, they might as well put up a huge CLOSED banner and go home.

>>31578496
You might want to tuck your newfag back in. It is showing.

I remember when Brotherhood first came out and had simulcast. Then they fucked up and showed an episode before it came on tv. Now they are a week behind.

>>31578455
Correct /a/non.

That is the only one, but only because CN put up most of the funds to get the S2 made. This is what happens, a US company has to approach the Studio, and basically bribe them to make it. This will never happen. Funi, Sentai, etc make way too much money with very little effort to put out money to get a series made.

Paying for downloads? That's fucking stupid. Nothing to differentiate it from the free alternative.

Yeah, I still collect vinyl records.

>>31578507
Both of those got squeals since they had lucrative merchandise to go along with it. Those shows (like the transformers) were made specifically to sell toys.

>>31578579
They did that with One Piece too.

>>31578642
>Are released within 24 hours of airing in Japan
Is the only difference from our current situation. And most of that time is spent encoding

>>31578592
The other thing that can happen is if we buy enough of it Japan can charge a ridiculous licensing fee, that's why they license long shows in seasons because they get to keep raising the fee each time, and with Brain's Base being all BUY BACCANO DVDS in DRRR!! it's clear they like the series.

>>31578718
that's because fansubs are so fucking insistent on encoding their own shit.
Why don't they just release the .ass file as soon as translation is done so I can slap it on the raw?

>>31578732
I'm not arguing that NA sales are meaningless. The overriding fact in anime production is that sales numbers outside of japan are pointless. Did gundam W popularity in the US have anything to do with the creation of SEED? No, regardless of GW performance in the states, SEED was going to get made anyway.

The point is, Anime is made for Japanese, any money they make from overseas licenses is icing.

>>31578883
In addition to your argument, Jap studios aren't confident in their knowledge of NA's taste.
So it's super rare, nay, non-existent that they make an animu targeted for NA-fags.

>>31578856
Which RAW? what if the raw sucks? Most good fansubbing crews have a raw provider. Some one who rips/then encodes raw. With HD content this can take some time. Plus then the crews have to view it, trans it, edit it, time it, QC it. packaging it into a mkv and encode it is insignificant in the long run. Mazui is good at the 'with in 24hr' with railgun.

Creating an ass is the most time consuming portion of it. Plus I enjoy the karaoke which is near impossible with out the attachments of mkv.

>>31577715
this is some ANN copypasta, gtfo

Why don't you just give back to the people who produce the shit you love instead of mooching everything like an ungrateful child and thinking that it makes you cool to do so.

>>31578592
funi has already announced they will be funding anime

MKVs are the cancer killing fansubs

I will buy anime when 80% of the eroge market gets translated.

>>31579004
What if the raw sucks? What if the SUB-VERSION sucks, you fool?
If they would just fucking release the ass files, if the video file suck, you can just slap it on better video.
And no one give a shit about flashing karaoke. That shit can be softsub and nothing of value will be lost.

>>31579082
Cool theory, bro. Expand on it.

>>31579126
>If they would just fucking release the ass files, if the video file suck, you can just slap it on better video.
There's this thing called "timing"...I'm not sure you have any idea how all this fansub business works...

I don't have room for 50 dvd boxsets
I dont want to leave my house to buy my anime

>>31579082
I'm disappointed I can't run it on my ps3, but it's by far the best format.
>>31579126
>herpderp I liek speedsubs herpderp mytastes>yourtastes

>>31579166
Nigger, I'm fully aware of how fansub business works.
Both Corea-fags and Chink-fags run their fan sub with .ass files. Every raws have same timing with only difference being the existence of the sponsor, which is constant 10 sec difference.
So fan-subbers just release 2 sub files, sponsor and non-sponsor.
Slap it on video of your choosing, BOOM ZOMG.

>>31579126
Wow, personal attacks aside, your really need to do some research on subtitle timing. Just because I have the raw and and ass does not mean they will work together. I mean they will, but you will get fucked up timing. I would rather wait ~3 days for a nice looking, QCed fansub then fuck around with with that bull shit. Plus fuck having to deal with .ass and video files. This is why we have Matroska.

>>31579166
They all get it from same batch files, fool.
It's all same shit.

>>31579004
this is what lazyass fansubbers actually believe.

>>31579210
>I dont want to leave my house to buy my anime
http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/

>>31579260
Dude, I already watch anime with separate sub files.
Timing of same episodes are all same shit.
Even if there is difference, (which in most cases their aren't,) just offset your subtitles with arrow key. It takes 2 seconds, quite literally.

>>31579250
Have you looked inside an ass? you see how it registers down to the millisecond? Encode errors, delayed start time, delayed commercial editing, all of these influence the timing of subs. Seriously, calm the fuck down.

>>31579054
WUT?

>>31579128
Larger files for a minuscule jump in quality

shitty soft subs

Incompatible with most players

>>31579393
>BAWWW I CANT TAKE 5MINUTES TO TRANSCODE IT FOR MY ANCIENT SHITTY PLAYER!

>>31579239
>I'm disappointed I can't run it on my ps3, but it's by far the best format.

ps3 media server, google it

>>31579353
Again, QC is an important aspect of the crew. If its so simple and you know so much about it, why not join GG? I mean, your a fa[gg]ot and all so you should fit right in.

>>31579379
It really doesn't matter what you say about .ass files, because I already do all this with .ass files for being Corea-fag.
I slap sub files on raw and american-fansubs, depending on who did better encoding in Ji-Hi. It's all fucking good.
I just feel bad when f/a/gs are constantly going SUB WHEREEEEEE

>>31579353
>I already watch anime with separate sub files.
Sure. And where exactly do you get these at hmm?

>>31579437
wasn't that basically just streaming video to PS3?
what's the point then?

>>31579488
I'm corea-fag.

>>31579467
>Korean
That explains everything.

>>31579393
mkv has nothing to do with quality.
>shitty soft subs
This is just bullshit. the presence of attachments in mkv allows for fonts to be embedded in the files so that everyone sees with the crew intended.
>Incompatible with most players
Only because is FSF, which is not a bad thing...

>>31579524
derp. what a cop out

I watched Korean drama subs with honorifics and I don't understand a fucking bit of Korean and I have no idea what these honorifics mean, nida.
Ahjussi? Fuck this shit I'm outta here.

>>31579501
transcodes too.

english fansubbers are just attention whoring dramafags mroe interested it show off thier l33t karaoke skillz rather than getting out acceptable subs for fans quickly - tell my something I don't know.

>>31579558
ahjussi = ojiisan

>>31579555
Hey Kimchi smelling mother fucker, you mad?

>>31579600
nah. I should smell like dog right tho, because I just had some.
Fucking delicious.

>>31579572
>bawww people don't work like my personal slaves to give me everything I want instantly and for free without asking anything in return

>>31579082
MKV is just a container. Now go die somewhere. Quietly but painfully.

>>31578221
Your prove because I'm pretty sure they do when other markets make it possible to animate a sequels like the second season of Big O.

>>31579600
What's wong with kimchee? I bought some a year ago and it still tastes good now. The chemotherapy is a bitch, though.

>>31579426
Shit takes time and space. The file could have simply just been made an AVI

>>31579437
Media Splitter makes the files ridiculously larger. I remember having a 297MB file turn into a 754MB file.

>>31579393
MKV is a container so your larger files point is invalid.

Also, nothing wrong with softsubs. You can turn them on and off or even change languages. Bastardising the original video with subtitles is much worse.

And so what if it's incompatible? Things change, and so do standards.

>>31579698
>I bought some a year ago and it still tastes good now
how was the food poisoning?

>>31579501
If I'm using both monitors, I can use my third screen.
>>31579437
ooo thank you.

I like having a few select god tier anime on DVD. Especially if they come in nice packaging with good extras.

All other shows will be downloaded.

>>31579651
See
>>31578592

I dont get it. Japanese people watch anime for free on their TVs. Why cant we do the same? Why is recording the TV broadcast suddenly such a huge crime?

>In MKV format
You lost me there, OP.
Seeing as how my 4 month old computer has trouble playing BD rips that my PS3 plays smooth as silk, I'd much rather have the files in a format my PS3 can play.

>>31579393
>Larger files for a minuscule jump in quality
>shitty soft subs

>>31579827
> suddenly
Because you are not watching the commercials.

>>31579827
They also have to sit through commercials and pay for cable/satellite.

>>31579854
Your doing it wrong. You 4y/o computer can play 1080p bd rips with no impact on the CPU.

the problem is not enough advertising. The only time I see anime DVDs is when I'm at a store. Also I'm not paying $25 for 4 fucking episodes with no special features.

>>31579827
You aren't funded by the advertisers.

>>31579854
> Doesn't know what hardware to buy
Seriously, gtfo.

>>31579854
man dude, as much as I'm a PS3 fag,
why the heck would you watch video on PS3

>>31579942
you would love japan then, $60 with 2 episodes, it rocks.

>>31579935
Yeah, well so can my six year old computer.

It fucking fails with 1080p rendered softsubs though.

>>31579998
>Implying you don't have an hdtv

>>31580048
>six year old computer
It might be time to upgrade, brosef.

>>31579942
In Japan they pay $50-70 for two episodes and no extra features.

Also when was the last time you bought an Anime Dvd? All of the ones I own have a ton of extras. Except for Hellsing and Higurashi which were released by Geneon a company notorious for pulling that crap.

>>31580014
And this is what you get for that $60.

>>31579919
So if we record the advertisements too fansubs become legal?

>>31579942
>I don't have $25

>>31580054
so you are telling me that you download the animu on comp obviously, transfer it to external-HDD or thumbdrive, then stick that on PS3, then watch it?
and half of the time, rage that it doesn't play on PS3?
Why would you do that to yourself? Should have just got a huge monitor with the money you spent on hdtv

>>31580118
Try $86
http://www.yesasia.com/us/bakemonogatari-hitagi-club-blu-ray-vol-1-first-press-limited-edition/10204
64998-0-0-0-en/info.html

>>31580191
The second one is $98
http://www.yesasia.com/us/bakemonogatari-mayoi-snail-blu-ray-vol-2-first-press-limited-edition/10205
78087-0-0-0-en/info.html

>>31580142
meh. It wouldn't be as illegal.
People would be flipping through commercials, but people do that with tvo or whatever those shit were called

>>31580142
No, because you aren't in Japan and the advertisements will therefore be irrelevant for you. Even if they were, the company still isn't getting paid.

>>31580142
>>31580254
Then again, I don't think us watching Japanese commercial would be any interest to Japs

>>31580048
not to turn this into a tech help thread, but since the zipperhead is gone. You need to check your codecs, use CoreAV and research if your video card to see if it can offload h264

>>31580176
Because my monitor is small and I don't feel the need to buy a larger one. I also like to lay back on my couch, in front of my tv, with some food next to me, and marathon some animu for a few hours. Not sit down in a chair, hunched over my computer screen.

>>31579854
>he doesn't know that the PS3 is getting .mkv-support

>>31580323
Well, have fun with PS3 video then.
How do you watch animu on PS3 anyway since most american fansubs come in mkv format?
You just watch raw?

>>31580302
Couldn't you use this exact argument to say that someone in Japan recording it and watching it months later would also be illegal?

>>31580322
No, that's what I was talking about. I can play 1080p fine with no CPU usage on my old pc, thanks to the graphics card. It's the subtitles (especially at higher resolutions) that are too CPU intensive.

MKV is god-tier format.

If you can't play MKV, time to upgrade and get a less-shitty media player (like MPC).

>>31580398
The problem is not so much related to playing any specific format on the PS3. The problem is that it doesn't read the embedded subtitles.

>>31580405
No, because they are still in Japan and some commercials last. Also, they are not distributing that shit.
Distribution and supporting it is the most illegal part here.

>>31580389
>Implying successful trolling

>>31580302
What company and why would you get paid for watching commercials?

You pay for airtime in order to put a commercial up, but getting paid for having people watch a commercial...?

>>31580479
I'm pretty sure specific format is a big issue.
Unless something happened I don't know in last few month, PS3 can only play specific formats of AVI, MP4, and some other shitty ones no one cares about.
And yeah, PS3 also does have problems with subs. There is program that allows you to add subtitles in the way PS3 want, but you need to get your hands on the .ass file anyway.
Going all the way back to my argument several posts ago.

Well at least mkvs can play on an ipod touch streaming wirelessly from comp if you use airvideo app

It's just a shame they don't keep their colour or position.

To keep both of them, you need ripbot264.

>>31580242
cheapest i've found is via preorder
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/B002PL5ETE/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&languag
e=en_JP

>>31580607
mkvs play the same way on ps3 with the ps3mediaserver

>>31580499
The people doing the advertising pay based on how many people watch their adverts. This is why Superbowl commercial slots are expensive.

>>31580649

Protip: Look at the international shipping rates before you call it cheap.

I can't stand you people who hate buying anime for some weird reason.

If you like the show, then you should support it by purchasing the DVDs.
It's because of people like you that companies are struggling.

>>31580398
mkv2vob for the PS3. Converts MKV files into Mpeg2 format with encoded subs. Files are fuck huge though unfortunately. Had a 99MB MKV go to a 400MB Mpeg2

>>31580649
$60.94 Not including the cost of shipping something from Japan.

Still going to be in the seventies at least.

>>31580810
Do you know what a VOB is? would you expect it to be smaller?

>>31580744
So whats stopping a japanese fag from switching channels everytime the commercials come on?

>>31580810
Well fuck. yeah I did that for a while I was hyped that I got PS3.
Can't do that shit every time. Why the fuck would you do that to yourself

>>31580772
International rates aren't really that bad. Especially if you go through a third party, you can get rather cheap.

>>31580936
What the fuck are you trying to argue?
Commercials are stupid?
This isn't japanese exclusive argument anymore btw.

>>31579827

It's the same reason why it's illegal to record something here and post it online.
The TV companies pay the anime studios for the rights to broadcast.
They don't want unauthorized distribution of the shows going around the internet because they don't have any control of it.
It's the same reason why anything that's copyrighted gets taken off the internet.

>>31580795

don't have the source but i recall reading an article a while back stating that most anime made for broadcast has to make even/profits from dvd/merch sales because ad revenue isn't enough to cover the full cost of the airtime (even at midnight slots)

>>31581157
Well, yeah. I bet.
I can't see many companies paying lotta money for commercials that only bunch of Otaku,hikki and NEETS will watch

>>31580997
Am I breaking a law if I play a CD and a few friends are listening to me but none of them own it? If I play a DVD and a couple people watch?

>>31581236
Go ask a lawyer, fool.
FYI, no, it's not.

>>31579942

Where have you been the last few years? $40 for a half season, bro. No reason to complain about that anymore. Like others pointed out, it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than the $60-$80 for two episodes.

Japan is legitimately worried about re-importation of our Blu-ray discs of their shit, because they're a steal compared to the JP ones.

Broadcasters pay for the rights to broadcast a show. The TV station then makes their money by using advertising. Popular shows equal more revenue from advertising.

People in Japan get their anime for free since the advertising ultimately ends up funding it. The money from the TV stations don't cover the costs of production usually, and they have to make up for it in DVD sales and so on.

>>31581342
actually yeah it is. Its considered public broadcast. You didn't hear about the NFL a few years ago trying to charge for superbowl parties...

>>31580975
You're still going to pay around $10-$12 for shipping bringing it to around $72 for 45 minutes of animu, storyboards, and pieces of cardboard.

Not to mention that if did't pre-order it would be in the $80 range easily.

>>31581236
Not if you don't burn them copies.

>>31581364
actually japan is not worried about re-importing, since BD have the same region protection as DVD (not same, but)

>>31581236
Depends.

>>31581364
Yeah I see that all of the time on Auction sites.
http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m73106503

>>31581405
How do the anime studios make money from the TV studio?

>>31581428
It depends on size of the broadcast.
Bunch of random friends? No.
Bunch of people where stranger can join in? Yes.
It's grey area and it's not always clear. It's called fucking laws, and it's complicated. That's why we have shit ton of lawyers and they make shit ton of money.

>>31581342
Why not? Am I not ignoring the advertising and broadcasting fees associated with it?
What if I take that same DVD and broadcast it as a stream to a group of friends over the internet. Same situation, but different mode of viewing. Is that illegal, then?

>>31581445
$12 isn't a lot of money. Neither is $80 really anymore. A pair of pants or shoes can go for $80. Money is made to be spent on things you like anyway. What else am I supposed to spend it on? Anything else is equally worthless when you really boil it down to brass tacks.

>>31581405
Actually in Japan the studios pay the TV stations money to air their Anime. There is little to no funding on the TV station's part. That's why the Anime studios push so hard for people to buy the Dvds.

>I will buy anime

STOPPED reading.

>>31581491
Region-free players, but sure they are worried, people can get Box sets for cheaper from overseas, sure they get crap packaging and so on. But some might not even really care if they are saving over 50% or more.

>>31581557
No country's law has adapted to quick change in the society that INTERNETS have brought.
As of now, your common sense or logic doesn't apply directly to laws.
Don't blame me.

>>31581616
You can pay $80 for a pair of pants but that doesn't make it a good investment of your money.

>>31581675
Fair enough.

I buy anime when I really wish to support a particular creator

>>31581692
yea $80 for 2-4 eps plus fancy packaging is definitely not a viable, i'm sure their aware of that but that's kinda the only thing bake/buyfags like myself can do while waiting x years before it's finally licensed, even then i'm sure SHAFT isn't getting anything from finally licensed maria+holic/szs sales.

>>31581692
That was my whole argument. What is a "good investment of your money"? I guess if one was really smart they'd put all their extra cash into the stock market or their retirement fund or something, but that's pretty boring.

>>31580975

I was talking about amazon specifically.

>>31581621
I'm guessing it depends on whether or not it's a prime time show or not. If it's a show like Bleach or One Piece, I doubt they need pay to get their show broadcast.

>>31581491
Japan and NA are in the same blu-ray region.

>>31581405
>People in Japan get their anime for free since the advertising ultimately ends up funding it. The money from the TV stations don't cover the costs of production usually, and they have to make up for it in DVD sales and so on.

Now I finally understand why R2 versions of anime DVDs cost $50-$40 for just two episodes.

>>31581963
Hey if you buy it that's your choice. I just don't it's a very good investment myself. But you're right that it's going to take a long time for it to be licensed, if it is at all. It really sucks when an Anime that you want to buy never gets licensed. I know that most of Macross, Only Yesterday, and a lot of other titles will never be released here and that's when it becomes difficult for fans to contribute.

I think that Sayonara Zetsubou sensei will do okay myself. The manga is doing pretty well from what I've heard and it's going to be sub-only which means that ti will be cheaper.

>>31582129
http://www.omonomono.com/2009/10/23/the-anime-infomercial/

>>31582154
It's also why censored TV broadcasts are so common. The broadcasts are pretty much just commercials for the BD/DVDs.