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    864 KB Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:01 No.31381210  
    I'm working on a guide to Sakuga Anime, /a/. Here is my current progress.

    Anything missing from Gainax, IG, Madhouse and Bones?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:04 No.31381301
    What's Sakuga Anime?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:04 No.31381303
    Just put "everything not done by shaft", or something.
    >> Furious Animator !pANpoUVhZI 02/23/10(Tue)18:05 No.31381336
    You seem to be missing Birdy there.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:05 No.31381344
    >>31381301

    Well animated anime.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:06 No.31381379
    >>31381336

    It is going in the "general stuff" section with Noein and Kamichu.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:07 No.31381418
    >>31381344
    You don't think Gunbuster is well animated?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:08 No.31381446
    Kara no Kyoukai
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:08 No.31381479
    >>31381418

    Not really.

    But I did forget Honneamise.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:09 No.31381509
    Gunbuster

    Outside those three everything by Ghibli and Haruhi's first season, for starters
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:10 No.31381555
    Gunbuster's final episode was as much of a slide-show as a Shaft show.

    SHADING AND DETAIL doesn't make sakuga.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:11 No.31381593
    >>31381479
    Stop working on that list right now.

    Obiviously, you are not qualified to do this.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:12 No.31381621
    >>31381210 (OP)
    It's a pretty kick ass chart dude. I would put a note that sakuga means well animated or something, and of course add any other well animated series. Keep up the kick ass work!
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:13 No.31381645
    Gurren-Lagann isn't really that well-animated, but they do have an excuse (40%, etc)
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:14 No.31381668
    >>31381555

    for what, one minute (like they had time to show the irrelevant aspect of end fight anyway)?

    please
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:15 No.31381700
    What about those really stupidly-well animated episodes of Naruto towards the end of the Zabuza arc? I know, lolnaruto, but they were retardedly well done.
    >> Furious Animator !pANpoUVhZI 02/23/10(Tue)18:16 No.31381737
    The Hakkenden is another, particularly in the second set of OVAs.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:16 No.31381764
    >>31381555
    ....there was a brief moment of half-animated slides, and you call it a slide show?

    Get the fuck out. I hope you aren't the OP, because then you should not be making that list.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:17 No.31381799
    >>31381301
    Sakuga in Japanese refers to the "key animation". As many people know most anime is made in the "Limited Animation" style, in which very few movements are made.

    Thus Sakuga anime is anime that is animated very well.

    Like well-done steak.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:18 No.31381823
    >>31381210

    at least Freedom from Sunrise is missing
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:19 No.31381866
    Most everything by Katsuhito Ishii.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLsAQ_5xYtY
    >> Furious Animator !pANpoUVhZI 02/23/10(Tue)18:19 No.31381887
    >>31381700
    I suspect this list is being made to point out series which are made with excellent animation in mind, which wouldn't cover the Naruto series, despite have some fantastic animation and one of the best effects animators (Norio Matsumoto).

    Maybe the chart should include a section for animators to watch out for as well.
    >>  02/23/10(Tue)18:20 No.31381892
    i was under the impression that sakuga was a class of animation that breaks new ground

    it doesn't even have to be "well animated", as in "it looks just like real life movement", it could be something over-the-top, something alternative, et cetera

    for example, kemonozume might fit under sakuga, although it was pretty rough, the same with noein
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:20 No.31381901
    Sure is shitty guide
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:21 No.31381944
    >adding NGE
    >not adding Gunbuster
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:22 No.31381959
    needs rahxephon in the bones list
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:22 No.31381969
    You forgot Ghost Hound. That show is the best animated series IG ever did.

    Also Strike Witches not trollan here. Probably the best animated series made by Gonzo
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:22 No.31381981
    I don't get it. What makes Gunbuster worthy of this list, GunbusterFags? It really isn't the best example of traditional mecha animation. In fact, it's pretty standard stuff. Gainax got much better during the 90's.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:23 No.31381995
    mind game
    those one piece, digimon and shin-chan movies
    80s cobra
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:23 No.31382007
    >>31381892

    I don't see Mononoke or Trapeze on that list.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:23 No.31382012
    Gunbuster invented the Gainax bounce. Add that shit now.

    Also Daicon IV still has better animation than shit put out today.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:24 No.31382026
    Hellsing Ultimate?
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:24 No.31382032
    >>31381944

    NGE features animation by Yoshinari Yoh, Mitsuo Iso, Takeshi Honda and similar big names. Gunbuster features animation by Hideki Anno, who is a great animator but can't carry the entire production by himself.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:24 No.31382042
    RahXephon needed for Bones, Kurozuka for Madhouse
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:24 No.31382048
    Monster from Madhouse

    good enough?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:24 No.31382052
    Speaking of GAINAX, how come Wings of Honneamise isn't there?

    Seriously.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:25 No.31382099
    RideBack for Madhouse
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:25 No.31382108
    >>31381887
    I think a list of note worthy animators would more preferable rather than a list of production studios. Even good studios like Studio 4°C can put out stuff like Halo Legends.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:25 No.31382109
    >>31382048

    Actually, Monster was pretty low budget and suffered from QUALITY early on. Its a great series but I don't think it's well animated.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:25 No.31382110
    several of those have quite bog standard animation with few instances of great animation.

    Casshern Sins for instance.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:26 No.31382116
    TTGL Episode 4 would like a word with you.

    Truly well animated TTGL episodes: 15, 26 - the rest, not so much.

    And also, Eureka Seven - only the first 4 episodes are really gorgeous. The fight and flying scenes on the other 47 episodes don't even come close. (just maybe in the final couple episodes)
    >> OP 02/23/10(Tue)18:26 No.31382134
    Additions to be made:

    Toei: Digimon Movie 1, Digimon Movie 2, One Piece Movie 6, One Piece Movie 9, Mononoke, Trapeze
    General Stuff: Birdy, Noein
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:26 No.31382146
    >>31382048

    monster was 70+ episodes and didn't really need much animation
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:26 No.31382160
    Bones
    Darker Than Black, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Skullman, RahXephon and Ouran.

    Maybe Kurau Phantom Memory and Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 to?

    Madhouse is missing Texhnolyze and Trigun.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:27 No.31382177
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    Eden of the east
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:27 No.31382186
    There is a lack of Studio 4°.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:27 No.31382202
    >>31382177

    Well, it does have good cinematic timing.
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:28 No.31382217
    >>31382116

    All TTGL episodes feature at least was extremely well-animated scene. Rather than a throughly well-animated show, I would call TTLG a well-designed and well-directed show, though.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:28 No.31382227
    People need to re watch evangelion, only a couple of fights had good animation most of the show the animation isn't the strong point. ITS OKAY, EVANGELIN DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN EVERY LIST

    no one will think any less of the show
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:28 No.31382228
    >>31382048
    >>31382160
    >trigun
    What?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:28 No.31382242
    >>31382177
    It's because it has the greatest cinematic timing in all of anime.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:28 No.31382252
    what no Moribito in I.G.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:29 No.31382261
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    >Anime
    >great animation
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:29 No.31382270
    >>31382160
    >Darker Than Black
    >good animation

    Sure is blindness in here.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:29 No.31382272
    >>31382186
    I don't think OP is qualified to be making this list.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:29 No.31382287
    >>31382160

    Skullman is average at best. And there is a lot of QUALITY in TM8.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:30 No.31382308
    >no Seirei no Moribito

    wut?

    Also, Le Chevalier D'Eon.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:30 No.31382322
    >>31382261
    /co/ u mad?
    >> OP 02/23/10(Tue)18:30 No.31382328
    I'm mostly listing TV shows with their own page on the Japanese SakugaWiki.

    With Gainax, FLCL, Diebuster and TTGL all have their own page with animator listings for each episode. Gunbuster doesn't have its own page in the SakugaWiki, so I thought it wasn't remarkable enough.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:30 No.31382332
    Sakuga means lots of motion or something, right?

    DtB would be perfect under Bones.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:30 No.31382337
    >>31382228
    What about it?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:31 No.31382348
    >>31382227

    Exactly. Don't people remember that they ran out of budget for the latter episodes? Don't people see how many stills they had to use just to make the show semi-coherent?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:31 No.31382352
    >NO MORIBITO

    WAT
    >> OP 02/23/10(Tue)18:32 No.31382389
    >>31382348

    Evangelion still has its own page on the Japanese SakugaWiki, they consider its animation remarkable enough to be dissected and explained.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:32 No.31382405
    >>31382389
    Japanese people are stupid.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:32 No.31382415
    Skullman definitely for BONES.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:32 No.31382416
    >>31382252
    >Sees a recommendation of key animation.
    >Sees Production I.G.
    >Looks at the list of anime from Production I.G.
    >Sees no Seirei no Moribito.

    Speechless.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:33 No.31382432
    Shigurui from Madhouse
    Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto from Sunrise
    Witch Hunter Robin from Sunrise
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:33 No.31382439
    Eva did have top tier animation for 1995 when it wanted to.
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:33 No.31382441
    Sakuga Anime isn't supposed to be about tons of movement or big budget, Sakuga Anime is more about the artistic qualities of animation itself. It's all about KARISUMA, as they call it.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:33 No.31382442
    >>31382405

    Pretty sure they understand more than you do about animation.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:34 No.31382487
    >>31382287
    >Skullman is average

    Bitch did you see the final fights in Skullman?
    Shit whas nice.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:35 No.31382506
    >>31382099
    Rideback was good but the animation was poor apart from the 3d animated scenes.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:35 No.31382513
    >>31382389
    oh so fanboyism fucking up wiki pages doesn't only happen in the english side of the internet
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:36 No.31382546
    I find the lack of Baccano! disturbing...
    >> OP 02/23/10(Tue)18:36 No.31382554
    Complete list of "Sakuga Anime" according to Japan:

    http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/100.html
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:36 No.31382561
    >>31382432
    >Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto from Sunrise

    Don't bring Sunrise into this or we'll be here all day listing OVAs.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:36 No.31382563
    Moribito is 3 years old and it's still the best animation seen in a 13+ episode series.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:36 No.31382570
    Why is Bebop not on there?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:36 No.31382572
    This thread has no Akira, nor has it been mentioned once.

    This board fails harder and harder every day.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:37 No.31382590
    >>31382442
    >THE GLORIOUS NIPPON PEOPLE CAN DO NO WRONG
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:37 No.31382591
    >>31382328
    I wouldn't recommend taking stuff from that site if it has clear flaws or faults.

    When obvious animations are missing, a bell should ring.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:37 No.31382608
    Also, you can add a Sunrise line and put Unicorn in it, it's fucking incredible
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:37 No.31382610
    >>31382561
    sure is going to be fucked up list then
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:38 No.31382655
    >>31382563

    I take it you didn't watch Dennou Coil, then.

    Dennou Coil will probably remain the best animated 13+ episodes TV show for a long, long time.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:38 No.31382662
    >>31382337
    Trigun had generally unimpressive animation, and significantly worse animation thatn either Cowboy Bebop OR Outlaw Star.

    It's a stupid suggestion.

    Infact most of the series being suggested ITT are stupid.
    Shigurui was 90% pans, still screens and digital post-processing, so was Texhnolyze. The good bits of animation only lasted a few seconds at a time.

    Bakumatsu was verging on QUALITY.
    Monster?

    get some standards.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:39 No.31382683
    >>31382608
    Why not put in all the Gundam OVAs in there wile were at it?

    0083 still looks insane.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:40 No.31382733
    >>31382655

    I would say the two are on par. None of them is clearly superior
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:40 No.31382734
    >>31382554
    Isn't this suppose to be by /a/? You haven't watched nearly enough anime if this is your list this far.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:40 No.31382736
    My nominations:
    Girl who leapt through time
    Summer wars
    Batman Gotham Knight? (defo the skateboarding one)
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:41 No.31382747
    Actually, like someone suggested, scrap this entire studio-based list and do it with animators instead.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:41 No.31382748
    I somewhat approve of this

    Is Blood The last vampire different/better than the shit stain movie ?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:41 No.31382762
    >>31382134
    >Trapeze
    good keyframe animation?
    are you sure?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:41 No.31382774
    KnK has to be in there. All 7 of them.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:42 No.31382783
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    >> Familiar-san !!djnh4ORyA6o 02/23/10(Tue)18:42 No.31382812
    Can someone who isn't retarded take over this project? Goddamn.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:43 No.31382837
    DYRL? Macross Plus.

    Anyone?
    >> (ノ✤▽✤)ノ !1iJPaIase2 02/23/10(Tue)18:43 No.31382843
    >>31382733

    Nope, Dennou Coil is clearly superior. This shouldn't even debatable. Moribito is a decently produced show. Dennou Coil is some sort of animation landmark with extremely creative animation that remains consistently impressive for TWENTY SIX FUCKING EPISODES.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:43 No.31382851
    >>31382748
    >Is Blood The last vampire different/better than the shit stain movie ?
    FACE FUCKING PALM.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:43 No.31382853
    Vampire hunter D: Bloodlust, i remember i thought that shit was incredible when i originally watched it, then again it was a long time ago so it might be the character desings rather than the animation.
    Gunslinger Girl
    Rebuild of Eva
    As for other studios you must add later on:
    Cowboy Bebop
    R.O.D. OVA
    Kara no Kyoukai movies
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:44 No.31382862
    >>31382783

    Source? It looks awesome
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:44 No.31382867
    Needs Kara No Kyokai and Bakemonogatari
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:44 No.31382890
    >>31382851
    Series


    fuck, I am stupid
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:45 No.31382901
    >>31382867
    >Bakemonogatari
    >Animation
    ...
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:45 No.31382906
    >>31382837
    >Macross Plus.
    JESUS FUCK HOW COULD THIS NOT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY?

    I would suggest Yukikaze but the character animation is pretty poor. and the combat scenes in Yukikaze are few and far between.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:46 No.31382952
    Kemonozume
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:46 No.31382959
    >>31382901

    I know it's an epic meme xD to say Bakemonogatari had no animation, but come on now. The fight scene in ep 8 speaks for itself.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:47 No.31382971
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    >>31382867
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:47 No.31382996
    >>31382959
    It's not a meme, it's the fucking truth.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:48 No.31383015
    >>31382862

    Akira
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:48 No.31383030
    >>31382655

    It's been a while since I last watched E7, but wouldn't it be around the same quality as Dennou Coil?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)18:48 No.31383031
    >Kemonozume
    >goodanimation

    It had bad animation most of the time and lots of QUALITY



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