...Son of a bitch, I thought that was cum being poured all over Sousuke for a second there.

FMP will never make them as much money as moe or haruhi crap.

face it, there will never be a new FMP animu unless it gets turn over to another studio.

whats this "Full metal Panic!" I have never heard of this.

>>31139548

You just want to pour your cum all over him.

Behold, the real fucking MOE~ waifu

I'm hoping they'll start making new seasons again once the novels finish.

Sure beats the shit out of yui and azu-nyan

>>31139658
Forgotten waifu is forgotten

>>31139702
>implying people forget their waifus

K-ON-like character designs

I guess they'll start doing FMF 4th season when author of novel will release last book of novel and it was confirmed that author is planning to release final volume in 2010. So maybe we'll have it 4th season in 2011... Though, there is 2ch rumors that fumoffu 2 will air 2010.

>>31139556
Haruhi isn't crap.

FMP had potential but there's too much mecha/science-fiction faggotry involved, also too much drama.

The show should have focussed on the premise of an elite commando operator without common sense trying to protect a school girl from daily life. With more contemporary /k/ and less mecha bullshit.

Kyoani will never animate Dancing Very Merry Christmas

>>31139754
>Requesting chidori pic K-On style

>>31139818
basically, you just want Fumoffu 2.

>>31139754

This thread is relevant to my interests.

>>31139906
And he's not the only one, fumoffu was one of the best comedys I've ever seen

kyoani will never do another fmp, get over it

>>31139577
Im sorry what?

I hate KyoAni for joking about it in Lucky Star.

Although the Sousuke vs Kyon bit was fucking gold.

>>31139577
You better be joking bro

nice melons, Chidori

>>31139577
nice trollan'

I like FMP too, but it doesn't make profit.

>>31139818
no fuck you, that's what made it awesome

Bullshit.

Sousuke would NEVER waste water like that. As a military expert, he knows that water is for drinking, not pouring.

>>31139577
...it's almost the only good anime KyoAni has ever made. That and the first season of Haruhi.

>>31139818
FMP was always mecha.

>>31140068
what about Clannad?

>>31140094
You know, deep in your heart, that Clannad is not good anime, or fiction.

ask madhouse, they enjoy making awesome anime that dont sell sell

>>31139614
The novels ARE finished. They finished not that long ago.
CHIDORI DIES
So this is an excellent chance for a new Full Metal Panic anime.

We did get a special OVA about 2 years ago which showed us Kyoani didn't totally abandon this pure awesomeness of a show. So there's still hope


>Where's the tessa love

>>31140112
Because you are an anime expert. You are always right. lol

>>31140120
Keep them away. TSR is so much more enjoyable han the first season.

>>31140120
Ain't it the truth

;_; I want my England Arc

>>31140139
Pretty sure it was Gonzo that did the first season. KyoAni did Fumoffu, The Second Raid and the Tessa OVA.

>>31140132
Oh no you didn't

>>31140139

I liked the first season much more than TSR. TSR had so much better action and the hot chinese twins, but the last 4 episodes were nothing but Sousuke angst oh god I get pissed off just thinking about it

>>31140132
WHAT? FUCK YOU FAGGOT THAT BETTER NOT BE TRUE

>>31140068
>FMP was always mecha.
Did I say it wasn't? I said the show had potential (and by that I primarily mean the aforementioned premise of soldier protecting school girl) but the science-fiction/mecha crap and durrhurr serious drama ruined it. Well, ruined might be the wrong word since it's still somewhat enjoyable, but it could have been much better.

>>31140170
>>31140120

KyoAni is the only one who can get this right, as they were the ones who took it over and brought the show to a whole other level.

>>31139818
So you want an FMP Fumoffu?

Stupid sexy Sousuke

>>31140204
You're gonna hate what happens if they follow the novels. It gets even more sci-fi and dramatic.

>>31140204
Flip flop, much?

>>31140204
So you're saying you'd rather that it be a generic slice of life anime with a tsundere female lead and a clueless male lead than an interesting and awesome mecha? The drama was what made it interesting to watch. Without it, it would be just another generic comedy.

>>31139556
Who wouldnt take tessa over the k-on sluts

>>31140132
so....this faggot's trolling right?

>>31140292

Fumoffu was AWESOME generic comedy, though.

I just enjoy FMP! in general, every part of it, fuck KyoAni for not doing more seasons.

>>31140204
I'd agree with you sir, if only the elite commando protecting a high school girl just for the lulz of it wasn't a black plothole from itself

>>31140204
I don't even get what you are trying to convey here.

Do you mean the Lambda drive? Did you watch all three shows + the OVA?

>>31140221
But that was old KyoAni. These days, KyoAni can't do anything. They used to do smooth, nice animation. (Fumoffu, TSR, Haruhi S1). But ever since Clannad, they have gone towards this fucking horrible "jitterspeak" animation style. Horrible visible teeth, characters "vibrating" between two frames as they talk. It happens in every single one of their goddamn shows. Clannad, After Story, K-On, Haruhi S2, etc... They use the same animation style on all of their shows these days, and it's fucking terrible.

I'm not sure if I want KyoAni to do another FMP.

>>31140292
As soon as you put mechs in a show, it already becomes generic. Robots pew pewing other robots hurray.

>>31140309
He better be, or hell will break loose

>>31140292
>generic slice of life
I'd call it neither generic or slice of life but "comedy".

>interesting and awesome
>mecha
Doesn't compute.

>The drama was what made it interesting to watch.
No, it was pretty silly.

>Without it, it would be just another generic comedy.
No, it would be 'good' comedy, which is pretty rare.

>>31140326
>beatiful
Yeah, I wanna beat her too

>>31140309
Unfortunately, I'm not. Here's some more spoilers:
Kurz dies after sexing up Mao
Mythril is completely destroyed
Whispered are receiving information from a beacon in the future that is broadcasting information back in time

>>31140349
original creator of that pic here, I laugh every time I see it reposted because of my typo

>>31140326
Totally agree, they've lost their shine in the industry. I'd rather have J.C. staff, take it over. They are like the only ones who can still get the animation and jokes done properly

>>31140326
I remember when Air first aired and being floored by the show's visuals. KyoAni has gotten lazy. or cheap. or both.

>>31140317
Oh please, she would simply have to be the daughter of someone important. Also, the specific reason for that isn't really important in a light-hearted comedy anime.

>>31140379
and turn Sagara-bro into Yuuki Rito-fag? HELL NO!

>>31140346
I didn't like Fumoffu as much as TSR. I liked the serious tone of TSR.
IMO:
TSR > S1 > Fumoffu

Inb4 shitstorm
also, OPINIONS LOL

>>31140455
TSR was way too emo.

>>31140409
You saw Fumoffu before any of the other series, didn't you?

Shows that balance lighthearted comedy and dark drama are rare, and shows that do it well are rarer. Many agree that Full Metal Panic balances its two sides well. You disagree, and that's fine. But you have to understand that you're not gonna convince us.

>>31140379
>J.C. staff

>>31140455
I agree with TSR > the rest.

But Fumoffu was so awesome it beats S1 as far as I'm concerned.

>>31140346
Dude, GTFO

>>31140379
After seeing how badly J.C.Staff butchered the Shana and ZnT novels, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

>>31140068
Are you retarded? Pouring water on yourself is also part of rehydration. Dehydrated skin is not something you want.

>>31140361

>>31140480
My main point of critic is the mecha/science-fiction crap. The show needed more contemporary weapons, more contemporary warfare. They could keep the serious business crap if they really wanted to, but in my opinion what made the show good and unique was Sousuke fucking up things at school. Anything else could as well have taken place in any other show.

FMP Fumoffu 2.

Don't continue that story.

>>31140534
cumdumpster spotted

So, after watching this series, I still can't get over the fact that her first name is Kaname and her last name is Chidori. Unless I'm wrong. Which I hope I am.

>>31140576
Disagree, seeing how KyoAni managed to make the nagisa death quite good, I wanna see how they will surprise me this time with what's about to come.

>>31140615
You are, stop watching dubbed crap.

>>31140617
Well at least you disagreed like a gentleman.

Not like those Umineko fans.

>>31140455
>>31140499
COOL AND EDGY faggots spotted

>>31140564
Well stiff shit, it's a sci-fi show.

Deal with it.

>>31140615
Kaname is her last name. Chidori is her first name.

>>31140647
No, I actually watched the sub of course. And aren't members of her family addressed as Chidori?

>>31140139
>implying madhouse did fmp s1
>implying kyoani is a better studiov

>>31140701
No. Chidori is her first name.

>>31140329
Kinda wishing he's telling the truth.

Liked Tessa more anyways.

>>31140602
Whatever you want to think you retard. Next time, don't pretend to be knowledgeable about something you don't know shit about.

>>31140326
Aren't you a bit exaggerating? Since when Clannad ~After Story~ style was bad. And learn the difference between animation and art fag. KyoAni's animation was always top notch and so and now.

Really, this days people seems do not understand difference between animation and art...

>>31140677
It's not like I had any other choice, but I'm still entitled to voicing my opinion. Discussing anime is what /a/ is about, and that's something you should learn to deal with. No need to get butthurt about it like some fanboy faggot.

I miss these awesome jokes

>>31140663
Umineko fan here. We had a damn good reason for being upset at the anime. They massively altered character personalities and removed critical plot elements.

Please do not bring up Umineko in an FMP thread.

>>31140732
Too bad Sousuke doesn't, huh?

>>31140758
I'm not the one who's calling the sci-fi elements "crap". You're the one who's whining here.

>>31140534
It's the worst possible use of water in the field.
You can hydrate yourself plenty drinking it. No need to smear it all over your body and get fucking WET.

You can use water sparingly to wash your dick, feet and hands, because that is absolutely necessary.

>>31140617
>Death by unknown "sickness"
>good

>>31140755
...and grammar.

>>31140732
He's not, the last one still hasn't been released.

though she does try to kill her friends

>>31140745
butthurt cumdumpster spotted

The Director of Fumoffu and TSR went on record and said how he hated mecha shows and he hated directing FMP.

Most likely this is why you havent seen anything from KyoAni about FMP for years.

>>31140791
Was more referring to the way they handled it. The music, art and the dialogue around the whole episode. It was beautifully done.
>TILL YOU HEARD THE ENDING

>>31140714
Yeah see, I'm not so sure about that. Her family is addressed as Chidori.

inb4 LOLWikipedia

I wonder if I'm alone in hoping Full Metal Panic stays dead? It's a terrible mech anime. If they must make a new series they should just do another Fumoffu, it's not bad as a slice of life comedy anime, but as a mech anime it's terrible.

As much as I'm tired of plot unbeatable mecha, FMP took it to a new level with a weapon system literally powered by imagination. Any semblance of tactics goes out of the window around it and it becomes another shitty hax mecha anime. Combined with a horrible protagonist AND antagonist in both series and some particularly dull filler episodes about playing football in mechs and you've got probably one of the worst mech series I've actually sat down and watched.

The only merit it has going for it seems to be several hot girls, maybe a couple of good side characters and a good chase sequence. That's it. I'd sooner watch Gundam Seed again.

>>31140865
Cry more.

>>31140865
Best troll I've seen in a while.

I almost hit my monitor reading
>I'd rather watch Seed again.

>>31140814

well done that man.

>>31140865
This.

>>31140865
>FMP took it to a new level with a weapon system literally powered by imagination
apparently u haven't watched Gundam 00 yet.

and yes u r the only one. now gtfo.

>>31140865
>weapon system literally powered by imagination.
TTGL? Did you like that anime?

>>31140865
Are you serious?

Also, I quite enjoyed Gundam Seed

>>31140884

no real need, it's not like FMP is coming back any time soon.

>>31140855

When do they ever show any of her family? Is that in the novels? I thought they were all dead or some shit. Also, it's wikipedia, you know some lonely otaku wrote that page, they would probably write the name in the Japanese custom, Last Name, First Name.

>>31140865

I love FMP! to death, but most of your points are valid and I'm well aware that the Lambda Driver is a lulz deus ex machina plot device. I like Sousuke and Gauron, though. Mostly I enjoy the character interplay and the interesting mix of school comedy and military mecha which hasn't been done well by any other show.

>>31140865

>GTFO MY FMP THREAD

>>31140814
He can be replaced. the fag can stick to directing more shitty lifetime movie anime.

Also i hope someone else does the next season.

Production I.G or J.C.STAFF.

Kyoani no longer has any creditability

>>31140917
its shit

You are now aware that newfags will call Chidori a 'generic tsundere' if FMP ever gets a fourth season.

Tessa is superior anyway

>>31140911
>u r

>>31140865
No one is forcing you to watch it, the way you write, its as if you have no choice but to watch FMP. Ever heard of something called "If you don't like it, don't watch it"

I've dropped many a show after watching a few episodes because I find the concept, setting or characters absolutely retarded. I'm not sure what made you watch all of it then decide "I hate this"

Seems to me a case of "This show is popular so I will hate on it" Syndrome, the fact you used Gundam SEED as a comparison at the end just proves it.

>>31140772
Yes ;_;

>>31140865

good job getting the FMPfags butthurt

>>31140935
I dont know when they show her family, but under "known relatives", almost all of her family members have Chidori in their name, which is why I think it's her last name and Kaname is her first name.

>>31140970

You are responding to copypasta from /m/ which is a shitty board with no valid opinion.

>>31140917
TTGL doesn't take place in a realistic setting.

>>31141006
Well then I just got trolled badly...

>>31140957
Just making sure. Carry on then : )

>>31141017
>Implying mecha is realistic

>>31141065
>implying there was no difference between super robot and mecha shows

>>31140911
>>31140917

Both came after FMP, can't say much about Gundam 00 though as I've not bothered with partly because of the whole hax mecha problem. GL was alright though seeing as it had a completely different tone from the outset where it didn't pretend to be some kind of high tactics anime, it was taking the piss from the start and the characters were actually interesting.

That said, GL isn't the masterpiece everyone makes it out to be, it's pretty good and achieves what it set out to do. FMP just smacks of terrible writing throughout and only achieves anything of note with it's slice of life animu.

>>31141115
Quite a lot of people disagree with you.

>>31141157
>Argumentum ad populum

>FMP just smacks of terrible writing throughout and only achieves anything of note with it's slice of life animu.

I wasn't gonna say anything, but FUCK, where'd your grammar go?

>>31141115

>and the characters were actually interesting.

If you found the characters in FMP to be boring, that is likely why you dislike it so much more than the rest of us. Not much to say about that, really.

>>31141228
How about you comment arguments rather than grammar?

>>31141194
My problem is, he's starting things as fact, rather than opinion. Maybe that's just an interpretation issue.

I disagree with what he's saying. Everyone does.

>>31139762
>it was confirmed that author is planning to release final volume in 2010

geez, they were saying the same thing last year... about the release of he last novel in spring 2009.

>>31140132

>>31139818
Sugoi monogatari, aniki.

>>31141262
>I disagree with what he's saying. Everyone does.
I don't.

>>31141255
Nah I'm good. Thanks for the suggestion though, I might look into that.

>>31141321
Correction: Almost everyone.

Last novel isn't finished yet.

Should be out by spring or summer though.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-01-05/last-full-metal-panic-light-novel-volume-being-writt
en

I need to rewatch TSR and fumoffu. it's been about 3 damn years at this point. reminds me of my childhood, a little bit...

FMP was fucking great. I agree wholeheartedly, I remember when Haruhi first came out and I was pissed from day one it wasn't another FMP adaptation.

>>31141157

that's ok. Alot of people like Seed and Naruto too. I've noticed most fans of FMP like it because it was one of their first mecha anime. Sort of like people who love Gundam Wing.

I won't disagree that most mech anime use similar tropes. I just feel that FMP has much less to compensate for it.

If they would start adaptating FMP next novels, you'd stay on a big cliffhanger while waiting for more.

Leave them time enough, for fuck sakes.

>>31140534

>>31140791

I would agree that the lambda driver in FMP! is a really shitty deus ex machina plot device that the author can just twist to his whim at any given moment in the story, but that's just one of those anime caveats you have to accept if you want to enjoy it (such as Code Geass or Death Note, or basically every super robot show ever). Very enjoyable show overall.

Also, don't get on my fucking case, I never said the show was objectively good, because the fact remains that it's fundamentally flawed. Do I like it? Yes. One of the few shows that balances comedy, romance and drama well.

>>31141406
I disagree. I think Full Metal Panic balances out the problems with the sci-fi elements with excellent characters.

>>31139818

so uh... lets take apart everything that makes the show.

GENIOUS

>>31141406

Sure is /m/fag around here!

Ignore this faggot and his obvious trolling.

>>31141499
>everything that makes the show

>elite commando operator without common sense trying to protect a school girl from daily life
That's what made the show for me, and that would still be intact.

>>31141460
>because the fact remains that it's fundamentally flawed.

This is why I fucking hate you. It's not a fact. It's an opinion. Here, play this:
http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/factsopinions.html
It's perfect for you. Accurately matches your intelligence level.

>>31141428
I wann see Chidori shoot Tessa's brother in the head. Or Sousuke saving Tessa from the helicopter with he help of Al.

The novels provideenough matrials for several sesons...

>>31141571
He's no /m/-fag.

/m/ does not claim responsibility for this.

>>31141579 status: butthurt

>>31141621
>I cannot legitimately counteract his statement, so I will resort to petty name calling.

>>31141579

>opinion

The Lambda driver activates or doesn't activate randomly in the show for no good reason. How is that an opinion?

>>31141683
It's not random. Later on, Sousuke works out how to activate it without fail. It requires specific brainwave patterns to activate.

>>31141728

From what I remember, that only happens IN THE VERY LAST EPISODE OF TSR.

>>31141751
And in the novels. It's fully explained.

>>31141462

>excellent characters

See, this is my problem. Some of the side characters like the members of his military unit are alright, specifically his horny blonde friend and the hard ass chick. Teresa is ok, Chidori has her moments (good during the spy scene in TSR). However the main protagonist and antagonist are painful to watch.

Specifically it's the villains who are the problem, you've either got TSR where he's some cooky insane bad guy who is evil for the sake of evil, or the original series where he's so bloodthirsty he ruins most of his plans ON HIS OWN. You wonder how he even survived to the point, so keen he is to murder everyone he ever associates with. Slightly comment taken badly? He'll murder you in front of everyone to show he's hardcore. It's fucking retarded.

>>31140865
>What's that? A super robot has a super power? Shit makes no sense to me!

>>31141618
>He's no /m/-fag.

Yeah, no.


He's a post 2006-/m/fag through and through, enjoy your endless denial.

I need more FMP, because Tessa is love.

Also, nostalgia factor.

>>31141800
Gates wasn't even in the novels. It was just the twins and Leonard. Leonard is the main antagonist, and he is fairly interesting.

>>31141805
Anon didn't say anything about said super powers not making sense, he said something about said super powers ruining storytelling, which is quite true.

Where the fuck is my fan art of those Chinese twins in TSR? NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL! GODDAMN IT YOU FUCKING JAPS

>>31141919
That's like saying the romance elements ruined Umineko. It's like complaining that a hamburger sucks because it contains meat.

Complaining about sci-fi elements in a sci-fi show? What the hell.

>>31141800

and this is just part of my problem. The slice of life elements to the show aren't that bad which is why I said Fumoffu is perfectly fine. When the show isn't trying to do a kind of semi-serious military mech thing it has it's moments.

When the show actually sits down and decides to actually do something serious, we are confronted with a mech that isn't just hax, but is hax only when deus ex machina requires it to be to the point it's tiring. At least with a real weapon system it isn't so blatant, but in FMP you are told it's powered by imagination and that the main character is a unimaginative indoctrinated soldier. Worst still, the villains make no sense, they are horribly written with the best villain being a spy on the same side. The first seasons villain only became interesting on his death bed in TSR.

So what I'm left with is a pretty mediocre mech anime with some amusing slice of life antics in the middle. Oh and hot porn.

>>31142051
>but in FMP you are told it's powered by imagination and that the main character is a unimaginative indoctrinated soldier

This is called "character drama". The next novel that takes place after TSR is Dancing Very Merry Christmas. It contains a ship that gets hijacked by terrorists, the Arbalest getting boosted up into the air, landing on a light aircraft, ripping it open and removing one of the occupants manually, etc...

But that's not what makes it interesting. What makes it interesting is the climax of the love triangle between Sousuke, Chidori and Tessa. Sousuke makes his choice.

This is character drama. The sci-fi elements are story devices. So it doesn't matter if there's a system that's powered by imagination being used by a guy with no imagination (which is only a problem in the anime. Sousuke gets A FUCKLOAD more development in the novels). Because that's just there to provide some sort of situation that will lead to more character drama.

FMP is a slice of life animu, with mechs in the background. I much prefer to look at it this way, since logic doesn't like to apply itself to the millitary parts of FMP.

>>31141965
>Complaining about sci-fi elements in a sci-fi show? What the hell.
There is good and there is bad sci-fi. Just like there is good and there is bad writing.

>>31142259
And that's opinion.

>But that's not what makes it interesting. What makes it interesting is the climax of the love triangle between Sousuke, Chidori and Tessa. Sousuke makes his choice.

who then leaves him

As to why watch something you don't like? I suppose partly boredom, but recommendations also tend to add to that. You get told 'FMP is alright' so you watch it and find amusement where you can, some bits annoy you but you hold on and hope it'll get better, some shows take time to improve, usually when the main character does something awesome and then keeps up the momentum.

FMP doesn't do that. It sells the idea that there may be some nice elite mech unit action going on, then throws it away for a deus ex machina mech and some half assed drama. TSR seems to do better with nicer animation and a new villain, but never really delivers anything noteworthy. So you wonder, why do people love this? It's not actually very good.

Of course, you are welcome to dismiss me, it wouldn't be the first time, but I suppose what riled me up about it was the disappointment. You want something that isn't Gundam level bullshit, you get something worse.

>>31142317
Tessa asks him if he loves her. He replies yes.
She then asks him if he loves Chidori more than her.

You take a guess at what his answer is.

>>31142288
Quality is not a matter of opinion.

>>31142363
Wind in the Willows is terrible.

This is a judgement of quality. It is an opinion. One that I disagree with. It is not a fact.

Quality is an opinion. Deal with it.

>>31142353
not the part i was talking about

was talking about the girl leaving with the insane person that wants to restart the world.

>>31142334
>why do people love this? It's not actually very good.
Because they're shippers.

They like the romance parts and don't care much about the actual plot.

Some are reasonable about it, others are in denial and start defending the silly plot.

>>31142334
People like it because they enjoy the character drama. You don't, and that's fine. You personally do not enjoy the series. That's fine. I do enjoy the series. That's fine too.

What now?

and nothing of value was lost

>K-ON SUCKS

Yeah I know. Sucks so bad it's getting another season.

>>31142392
:Y

>>31142399
Chidori gets kidnapped by Amalgam. She managed to contact Sousuke one last time and he promises to tear the world apart to reach her.

Is that what you meant?

>>31142392
Your personal opinion of something is opinion, but there are certain standards and references by which writing can be judged.

>>31142410
Shippers are people who look for romance in a series that is not focused on it. One of the core plot threads in Full Metal Panic is the love triangle between Sousuke, Tessa and Chidori. So taking an interest in that is not shipping. That's called "liking romance stories". Personally, I think the romance story contrasts nicely with the sci-fi elements.

>>31142237

doesn't really change how the whole mechanic of the lambda drive is bullshit and the character drama is mostly replaced with slice of life moments in the anime. The slice of life elements aren't a bad thing as previously noted, it's a big part of the series, but it doesn't justify the rest of it being pretty crap.

I suppose the tl;dr of my whole argument is that FMP failed on half of it's concept.

>>31140361
Does that mean Arm Slaves will soon become super agile ninja robots?

>>31142503
>Your personal opinion of something is opinion, but there are certain standards and references by which writing can be judged.
Good luck trying to find agreement on what that is between two critics. Hence, opinion.

>>31142503
There is no "law" of writing. The judgment is purely an opinion. It might be an opinion shared by many, but it's still just an opinion.

I'm reminded of someone who once told me "Rap music sucks. This is a self-evident truth". I almost punched them in the face, even though I personally do not like rap music. Opinions are opinions. There is no self-evident truth in regards to judging a piece of entertainment.

>>31142503

sage again

>>31142557
>I suppose the tl;dr of my whole argument is that FMP failed on half of it's concept.
It didn't fail, you just don't like it. There is a difference, and that difference is we are disagreeing with you.

>>31142423

Well, if you love the series for that whole love triangle then fair enough, I can't tell you what to like. I'm just saying I don't like FMP because the majority of the science fiction plot it sells the setting on is pretty terrible and the antagonists are completely unbelievable. Doesn't seem like anyone is disputing this so I'll drop it and accept that people like FMP for the girls and their love interest as I suspected.

>>31142557
The mechanic of the Lambda Driver is explained in the novels. It relies on certain brainwave patterns. Outputting these patterns requires drug usage, training or inherent intuition. What I'm saying is, it's powered by love. Sousuke can activate the Lambda Driver with certainty by thinking of Chidori. This is a plot device. You hold the opinion that it's a poor plot device. That's fine, but it's not an absolute fact.

The slice of life elements are present in Fumoffu. They are not present in TSR presumably because KyoAni thought they would clash with the massively geared up dramatic elements and violence.

FMP was shit, only good thing was Tessa.

>>31142595
Already are pretty much. The ARX-9 is insane. Imagine the Arbalest. Now, imagine it with four arms and a ponytail cooling system.

/a/ doesn't talk about good anime

wtf is this thread doing here

>>31139515
>he actually believes kyoani will ever make something that is not moeshit again

>>31142693

I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't intend to make out that my opinion is fact, though I do admit I use strong language that may suggest such because I find it hard for to beleive anyone could think the whole Lambda drive as described in the anime is anything but a horribly contrived deus ex machina device.

>>31142785
talking about a shit anime of course

>>31142684
>I'm just saying I don't like FMP because the majority of the science fiction plot it sells the setting on is pretty terrible and the antagonists are completely unbelievable. Doesn't seem like anyone is disputing this
I completely dispute this, but what is there to argue? I think the setting is very good and the antagonists are believable, but that's just MY opinion. I CAN'T prove you wrong because opinions are not right or wrong.

>>31142799
It's a plot device for a romance story about a guy who ends up tearing up an entire goddamn army to save his girlfriend.

>>31142799

Not the samefag as the person you're responding to, in my opinion it is a poor plot device, but it's something some people manage to accept to enjoy the show. It confuses me why you seem to be able to accept emotion powered robots in super robot shows, but not this show. Unless you dislike super robot shows as well, in which case you should realize that your tastes just differ from others, because I guarantee super robot fans do not watch super robot shows for the romance and love triangles.

>>31142891
Indeed. I watched GaoGaiGar because it's GaoFuckingGaiGar. No further reason was required.

I like Full Metal Panic for its romance elements (same reason I like the Umineko novels). Conversely, some people hate it for the exact same reason I like it.

>>31142456
Well doesn't she join him in the end and try to help him?

It looks like it when she tries to kill everyone else.

Though this is just going by manga raws so I'm probably missing a few points in between.

>>31142799
>I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't intend to make out that my opinion is fact, though I do admit I use strong language that may suggest such because I find it hard for to beleive anyone could think the whole Lambda drive as described in the anime is anything but a horribly contrived deus ex machina device.

The Lambda Driver isn't deus ex machina. It is the pivotal to the story, like how the Force is pivotal to the Star Wars universe or AT Field is pivotal to Evangelion.

Ironically, Sagara actually dislike the Lamda Driver in-story. He complains that it is unreliable, and prefer if it can behave like a consistent machine.

i'd love for them to do another series. but i doubt it will happen.
sage lol.

>>31142830

well, generally you start out by explaining why you think it's good writing, but I've not actually seen anyone do that beyond the whole 'read the novels, it's powered by love'.

Then there is the main villains, who I've get to see any real defence for either. One is a bloodthirsty pilot who some how manages to get things done despite killing practically everyone he encounters, the other a kooky evil for the sake of evil pilot. The only one who actually stirs any real emotions (besides hate for their terrible writing) is the spy who attempts to catch Chidori in the end of TSR.

>>31142982
>Though this is just going by manga raws so I'm probably missing a few points in between.

You might be, considering the original work is a novel series, not a manga series.

>>31143025
Adaption Decay. Gauron is better written in the novels. Gates is an anime only character. Again, Tessa's brother is the main antagonist.

>>31143025
>well, generally you start out by explaining why you think it's good writing, but I've not actually seen anyone do that beyond the whole 'read the novels, it's powered by love'.
Do you even know what "opinion" means?
Nothing you say can change my mind on what I like or don't like, and vice versa. So no one but you is trying to justify anything about their own opinions.

>>31143130

Then rock on the novels if the actually managed to get those guys to make sense as humans then I could probably forgive a lot more.

The whole Lambda drive thing isn't actually as bad for me as the villains were, I accept that these things happen in mech anime and can usually look past them a bit (though it rarely endears me to them as I rather prefer some intelligence and tactics over MY WEAPON IS BETTER). My main problem is the tone gives off the feel that maybe it'll be better and have some nice sensible giant robots, then it has terrible antagonists and annoying plot mech bullshit with a whole bunch of filler episodes. Ironically the episodes building on the relationships of the characters end up being better then any episode with mechs fighting. That's pretty unacceptable for me in a action series.

But I'll concede most of my view is a opinion that the anime really is overrated.

>>31143247

God damn you are thick. Here's a tip: most thing in life are opinion, not fact. Part of the point of debating is to present a case for why your opinion has more merit then the other guys using reason and sense. If we simply couldn't change anyone's opinion then the world would be a much more fucked up place.

The fact you don't even try to argue why you like something shows you aren't confident enough to be able to defend your position, unlike the other guys in this thread who have done a fairly good job.

>>31143302
>But I'll concede most of my view is a opinion that the anime really is overrated.
Here we are again.
Using "over-rated" is even worse than trying to pass your opinion as fact; it is trying to say "I think this show only deserves 60/100, so only 60% of the anime fandom is allowed to like it".

You don't like it? Fine. But don't tell US we are wrong for liking it. That's arrogance to the nth degree.

>>31143414

>you aren't allowed to say that, it's mean. ;_;

I'm not allowed to state my opinion that I find the anime overrated, even when I say it's my opinion and reason it out.

>>31143405
>The fact you don't even try to argue why you like something shows you aren't confident enough to be able to defend your position, unlike the other guys in this thread who have done a fairly good job.
I don't CARE that you don't like FMP. I DO care that you act like I have to share your opinions or else. I am not some crazy fanboy who demand everyone to like the same things I do, and I only expect similar tolerance in turn. What, are you going to pay me money if I convince you to like FMP?

>>31143405
I more saw arguments as the means to prove that someone is wrong. Not based on opinion, but "interpretation of facts".

If someone made a statement like "Full Metal Panic is not a romance story" (note: nothing like "bad romance story", just an outright declaration that it's not), a discussion of that would be an argument.

Opinion comparison is not an argument. It's just... nothing. Nothing at all.

Wow, I don't know where to start...

First of all FMP isn't a mecha anime. If you look at the English wikipedia article, you'll see mecha in the genre field, but if you look at the Japanese wikipedia article, it says "Military, SF, Action, Comedy". The story in FMP doesn't revolve around mecha and there's not always mecha involved either. It's more like "Mithril just happens to use mecha called Arm Slaves because it's the most high tech arms in the FMP world". That's why fans don't watch FMP for the mecha and it's totally normal because it's not a mecha anime.

If the lambda driver bothers you so much, just imagine Sousuke is fighting the enemies with in a fistfight and when he thinks of saving Chidori he suddenly gets 1000 times more powerful and beats the enemies with a COURAGE PUNCH. That's all there is to it. Don't read too much into it.

I would be all for another season of FMP if they promise to FUCKING GO SOMEWHERE with the show for a change. Give us more info about Mithril. Tell us where the whispered came from. I don't give a fuck. Just GO SOMEWHERE. I've never seen such a promising plot wasted so badly before in my life.

>>31143509
>I'm not allowed to state my opinion that I find the anime overrated, even when I say it's my opinion and reason it out.
No you are not, because calling something overrated isn't attacking the anime any more, but attacking anyone who like the show instead. A switch of targets that is considered insulting. You have a right to, say, claim FMP is 60/100 in your eyes. But you can't complain anyone who marked it 100/1000 being over-rating, because it is their opinion.

>>31143414
Back the fuck off, he made no such implication.

>>31143636
He's saying that he personally thinks that the show is overrated. That's an opinion. So back the fuck off.

>>31143520

I didn't demand you present your opinion, but if you are going to argue just saying 'you are wrong' without backing it up and then expecting me not to explain why I think I'm right is fucking retarded.

If you don't want to argue you can just ignore me. It's not as hard as people think.

>>31143609
>I would be all for another season of FMP if they promise to FUCKING GO SOMEWHERE with the show for a change. Give us more info about Mithril. Tell us where the whispered came from. I don't give a fuck. Just GO SOMEWHERE. I've never seen such a promising plot wasted so badly before in my life.
The story is only 50% finished. There is no wasted plot unless the story completely ended without resolving them. Otherwise the Fellowship of the Rings would be a bad book for not getting around to melting that damn ring.

>>31140132

I just hit Broly levels of PURE FUCKING ANGER. That shit better not be true.

>>31143609
All that happens in the novels.

>>31143662
>He's saying that he personally thinks that the show is overrated. That's an opinion. So back the fuck off.
Do you even know what "over-rated" means?
It means "Fans of the show liked it too much". The actual quality of the show is irrelevant, it is a direct complaint that a fan's tastes doesn't match with yours. Is it an opinion? Yes. Is it insulting? Hell yes. So I am not complaining that he was wrong, only that he was insulting me.

>>31143813
Well tough. He has the right to make that statement. A true man would take it in their stride, and not rise up in anger.

>>31143858
>Well tough. He has the right to make that statement. A true man would take it in their stride, and not rise up in anger.
I am not so much angry as calling out his attempt at personal attacks.

>>31143813

Man, if you are that insulted by someone saying they think you rate a series too much then what the fuck are you doing on 4chan?

Hell, by even saying I think a show is bad could be viewed in the same way as me insulting the taste of people who thought it was good.

By saying 'I think it's overrated' pretty much just says that, I think the people who rate FMP rate it too highly. Next time it should be 'I think people who liked FMP are faggots' and just save the trouble because we'll be damned if there is criticism on 4chan. Fanboys just couldn't take it.

I reckon FMP:F is what started their moe slice of life habbits.

>>31143978
I'm a big Full Metal Panic fan, and I welcome criticism. Quite frankly, I love threads like this. Look at us. 229 posts of ACTUAL DISCUSSION.

I suppose I should get pissy at being called a troll next for stating why I think FMP is pretty terrible. Actually reasoning out why I didn't like it is irrelevant and just a opinion, not fact, and you can only call a show bad if it's a fact.

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>>31144107
No, you can call a show bad as an opinion. You have every right to that, and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

>>31143978
>I think the people who rate FMP rate it too highly.
Actually, plenty of people don't like FMP. They just don't bother to rate it because they didn't watch it. This is the same across all fandom.

And as for criticism? Yes, you ARE basically saying 'I think people who liked FMP are faggots'. Professional critics do this all the time with each other's reviews, but that doesn't make it any less childish.

>>31144107
Looks like you were just watching it for the wrong reasons. As I said, it's not a mecha anime. Watch it for the action, drama, characters and/or the love story. But not for mindblowing science fiction with super realistic technology.

>>31144061

me too, I actually like it when people actually debate their position rather then just hide behind macros and bitch about opinions.

Ultimately the god responses challenged me enough to take a step back and consider that maybe I was looking at FMP the wrong way. I still dislike many elements of it and probably will never come to like the show on the whole, but I accept I was probably disappointed at it because I was expecting too much from it.

>this thread
What the fuck. FMP was never hard science mecha. It was an amusing story about this clueless soldier protecting this girl with a mecha fueled by RAGE. It has a premise and sticks to it well.

It's one thing to dislike mecha, but there's no need to come in and rain on our parade.

>>31144255
I'm glad you enjoyed the discussion.

>>31140132
>The novels ARE finished. They finished not that long ago.

from wikipedia (inb4 bad source, better source than a random post on 4chan): On 5th January 2010 it was announced that Shoji Gatoh had begun writing the final novel of the series and that this novel would be released sometime in Spring 2010

>>31144183

So wait, are you arguing no one should be allowed to criticise anything? That we should just never say anything mean and just leave things alone for people to find out by trying themselves?

Because damn, I sort of like being able to gauge opinions about certain subjects and arguments bring interesting different looks at things.

>>31144412
See, now THIS is trolling. It's one thing to troll by making a retarded statement and then saying "LOL I WAS TROLLING". Making a perfectly believable statement that lots of people end up thinking is true? THAT is the true essence of trolling.

And I am sorry for doing it. I really am. Truth is, I was just repeating what I'd heard from a thread a few days ago. I wasn't trying to troll.

FMP is shit.

Guys, stop it. This is the stupidest topic on a front page full of big 3 threads, and it's even worse because you're actually trying to have some kind of discussion.

>>31144509
Join the discussion and tell us why, /a/non.

Need moar Tessa!!!

>>31144564
This is the best thread BECAUSE the front page is full of big 3 threads.