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    15 KB Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)22:51 No.28837612  
    Why do people suck so much at watching anime?

    Why do they have to have every stupid detail explained to them even if not relevant or needed for the story?
    Why do they take "contractors/dolls have no emotions" as a fact while being shown countless times that its not true and merely a way for humans to desperately make themselves feel superior?
    Why do people still think Hei is a contractor when the hole point of season 1 was about him being human all along?
    Why do people not get that he was the Black Reaper before he got electric powers?

    Why /a/? Why?
    (This is now a Yin thread)
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)22:54 No.28837716
    I don't really understand why it seems like so many people miss so many obvious things. You notice something neat while watching an episode of something, that helps put things in perspective/context, then if you ever bring it up, you'll spend 10 posts explaining it repeatedly to various people who missed it entirely, every single time it's brought up.

    It's like no one on /a/ ever read a book or studied any sort of language conventions.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)22:56 No.28837778
    >>28837612

    It's kind of simple really, people just aren't or can't read into it. Why dwell on the obvious?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)22:57 No.28837801
    You can add to that list
    "Why do people not understand that there is a major artery in the leg, and when those get broken, people tend to bleed to death?'
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)22:58 No.28837825
    Why can't people spell properly?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)22:59 No.28837848
    This tends to apply a lot to KnK
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:00 No.28837865
    WHAT'S HEY'S RENUMERATION?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:00 No.28837873
    >>28837778
    because human beings are remakrably intelligent creatures with an unheard-of capacity creative, abstract thinking and logical analysis abilities.

    That so many could immerse themselves in any sort of narrative, yet so completely overlook essential intrinsic elements of that narrative, that often giving meaning and context to otherwise pointless events, is beyond me.

    How some of these peoploe can even praise a show as being enjoyed when they've missed what makes it anything more than a random series of images in the first place is astounding.

    it's simply incomprehensible.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:02 No.28837938
    >>28837801
    Because medical attention first aids and anime blood levels.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:03 No.28837944
    >>28837848
    LOL HOWD MIKYUH SURVIVE A LETHAL DOOS OF POT AND BEING STABBED IN THE EYE. ALSO WHYD THEY SAY SHIKI NEVER KILLED, THEY SAID SHE WAS THE SERIAL KILLER AN SHE KILLED THE MAGE GUY AND THE GHOST GIRLS AN STABBED THE SAKURA GIRL
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:04 No.28837988
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    I agree with everything you said, OP.

    I also like Yin, though I prefer Suou. So here's something relevant to both of them.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:05 No.28838005
    Why do people get so caught up on the technicalities of a weapon? You Americans seem so desperate to display your in depth knowledge of weaponry, that you'll pick apart any moment that a gun is used.

    Unless the details you're so proud to know about that weapon, were actually stated in the show, anything you have to say is kinda pointless.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:06 No.28838021
    DtBfags are the worst I have seen in a while.

    Anti-shipperfags were so blind they couldn't even see why Suou was upset with Yin

    And shipperfags are so retarded that they think Yin is actually pregnant

    And faggots who said Yin has no emotion

    It's like people have their eyes closed while watching DtB
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:06 No.28838047
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    >>28837612
    Some of them can't be faulted, because they picked up subs from a bad sub group that translated poorly.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:08 No.28838081
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    >Anti-shipperfags were so blind they couldn't even see why Suou was upset with Yin

    >And shipperfags are so retarded that they think Yin is actually pregnant

    Both of those were partly me, trolling.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:08 No.28838088
    >>28838047
    Best translations?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:09 No.28838115
    >>28838021
    People watch hundreds of simple shows, shounen, slice of life and moe of all kinds, the whole time whining for more awsome seinen because they're bored of all this jeuvenile shit. Then they watch an awsome seinen and realize they don't have any clue how to follow a narrative that actually applies literary conventions and rhetoric.

    You get used to shit being spoonfed to you and you start to forget how to figure it out for yourself.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:10 No.28838142
    They like it because of the action. And once they even notice the plot they get confused.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:10 No.28838159
    >>28837612
    >Why do they take "contractors/dolls have no emotions" as a fact while being shown countless times that its not true and merely a way for humans to desperately make themselves feel superior?
    I see things like that about a lot of anime here its annoying and sad.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:11 No.28838168
    >>28838142
    Watching DtB for the action is like watching NGE for the mech fights.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:12 No.28838187
    >>28838115

    DtB is not even that complicated. It's a very simple action show. I wonder if these people can understand any 3D movies at all.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:12 No.28838197
    What amazes me is how a community of people who pretty much do nothing but read manga, comics and books, and watch anime, cartoons, movies and other assorted TV shows, have little to no understanding of storytelling.

    Some of the idiocy I see here is amazing. Frankly it makes me reconsider my scepticism about Assburgers.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:12 No.28838204
    >show is about a bunch of people with special powers in frequent combat situations
    >implying it's not about the action
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:12 No.28838207
    >>28837612
    And why do morons like you read too much stuff into things?
    >merely a way for humans to desperately make themselves feel superior?
    That's complete bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:14 No.28838253
    >>28838081

    A lot of them were trolling, but some of them were actually serious.

    It's just beyond me...
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:14 No.28838273
    >>28838187
    3d movies tend to have about as much depth as lucky star, anymore. You've gotta appeal tot he mainstream crowd, which measn keeping shit as simple and non-thought provoking as possible. The one exception to this are pretentious oscar whoring shit, that's just put out so elitist moviefags can wank over them and so the oscar nomination board will give them an award for making something they like more than the smell of their own taint.
    >> Soap Mac !TAVISH0XrU 12/19/09(Sat)23:15 No.28838288
    >>28838021
    Maybe I was blind for a while, but I don't recall ever having to know what the word "Shipping" means when browsing /a/ until 2009.
    So did a bunch of retards from Livejournal show up or what?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:16 No.28838329
    Considering dolls are repeatedly stated to be emotionless, and that every single characters in the show believes that, whether they're humans or contractors, it's perfectly logical to take it as fact.
    We also see very few dolls, so if some dolls start acting differently, it's safe to assume that it's either just a few exceptions to the rule, or that it's a very recent development, indicating a chance in the whole contractor/doll thing.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:17 No.28838346
    >>28838273
    3D movies are encouraged to be overly simle.
    Making people think is also a sin.
    This is of course mostly just in general with mainstream movies though that would be the equivalent of the most straightforward shounen you could come with.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:20 No.28838439
    >>28838288
    Shipping is probably an expression that came with the retarded female fans that seem to dominate /a/. I don't actually mind discussing relationships, as that's actually a huge part of fandom, considering romance and love triangles seem to play at least some role in almost all anime. But the expression and community that seems to have popped up around it is revolting to me. It's like women and fanfiction. They throw all fucking logic out the window and just put completely incompatible characters together and even turn them gay. I can really understand why our ancestors forced women to stay in the kitchen. It's the only place they can't drive us insane with their idiocy.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:21 No.28838466
    The issue is the conflicting style of storyelling. A majority of mainstream anime will take great pains to make a detailed explanation of any point of contention regarding characters, plot points or setting through a contrived monologue from one or more of the characters.

    When you get used to this, you simply can't comprehend that a character maybe be WRONg about something like that.

    Thus you have DtB, where much of the spoken word about the more mysterious elements of the setting or narrative are misconceptions or outright falsitudes, and where the contradiction and more reliable understand is told through aspects like symbolism and subtext. But the elements of subtext are overlooked in favour of the spoken word, because we've been trained in an almost pavlovian fashion to take a characters spoken dialogue as fact.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:21 No.28838468
    >>28838288

    Shipping is a solid word

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_(fandom)
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:22 No.28838482
    >>28838439
    In general all shipping is shit, newfags tend to ignore that and the shippers themselves refuse to accept they are cancer.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:23 No.28838513
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    >>28838439
    I'm a guy. I purposefully troll with a lot of the shipper stuff. Don't blame things on women when it's really just antagonistic males like myself.

    The reason DtB has pulled this particular kind of attention, if there is any reason, is because of the amazing fan art that's popped up.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:23 No.28838517
    >>28838466
    Or, it's just shitty storytelling. The fact that all the characters in the entire show can be wrong about such blatantly obvious things is just plain stupid.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:24 No.28838557
    >Me: Origami is not Suou's remuneration. She doesn't have one.

    >/a/: you moron, she's a contractor. She has a power. Origami is her remuneration. These things are obvious.

    >Me: she just chooses to do the origami because she feels she has to. She's playing up to the role.

    >/a/: ORIGAMI IS HER REMUNERATION. SHE FUCKING STATED IT. HERE, LOOK AT THIS SCREENCAP. HOW IS SHE PLAYING OUT A ROLE? YOU SAW HER USE HER POWER

    >Me: SHE STATED IT BECAUSE SHE CHOSE IT. SHE IS AN UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. SHE'S TALKING THROUGH HER THOUGHTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SHOW

    >/a/: LET ME SHOW YOU THE SCREENCAP AGAIN

    Really the problem is no one admits they are wrong on the internet. The argument just keeps on going until one of them gives up. And unfortunately that is normally me. Which means the idiot will think he has won.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:25 No.28838566
    >>28838439

    This so damn much.

    It's alright to find a relationship between characters lovely and want them to be together. After all that's the point of romance. If they can't make you feel that way then it's pretty much a failure in romance aspect

    But shipper always manage to find retarded logics to support theory, write stupid fanfiction and actually believe what they wrote to be canon.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:25 No.28838569
    >>28838207

    Sounds more like you're just fucking stupid and lack the ability to make connections.

    Although to be fair, it's more because people want to see contractors as monsters. And if the monsters have feelings, it's more difficult to do that and feel good about yourself. So they pretend the "monsters" don't have any emotions. Then it's like hating a bug or something. Problem solved. And if you tell me you didn't figure this out and that it's wrong, go back to fucking kindergarten. It's obvious and it happens in fucking real life. "Those stupid terrorists/nazis/niggers/foreigners/whatever aren't human, just mindless monsters!" SOUND FAMILIAR?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:25 No.28838576
    >>28838517
    It's only blatantly obvious when you're the viewer who possesses knowledge and witnesses things that none of the characters in the story can.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:25 No.28838585
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    >>28838517
    NO.

    NO. NO.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:27 No.28838622
    >>28838482
    Exactly how is it shit. I'm not talking about the worst stuff, but actually discussing what girl the main character should go with in a love triangle is the most basic thing you can discuss in an anime. How the fuck is it wrong to discuss what is actually the main plot point in a lot of anime?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:27 No.28838649
    >>28838517

    Tell me, anon, are you so stupid that you don't understand a simple action anime? You really need them to tell you everything that happen?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:28 No.28838671
    I suppose you can't blame the morons for all getting in a tizzy when this season IS incredibly badly written.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:28 No.28838676
    There's been an increase in the rates of underaged and newfaggotry since summer, that's left us with a population whos' entire posting style is inspired by bakemono spamming.

    Thus when an aspect like shipping comes into play, usually in an ironic way, or as a joke (as it started with the pre-season hype), it gets parroted and spread until it not only become a meme, but gets taken as an intrinsic aspect of that fandom, and simply becomes one of the focal aspects.

    I'll wager if you took every person who's under 18 or came here during summer and kicked them out for a single thread, the only shipping posts would be trolls.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:29 No.28838695
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    DTB shipping explained:

    God Tier:

    Amber/Hei

    High Tier:

    Misaki/Hei

    Middle Tier:

    Yin/Hei

    Shit Tier:

    Suou/Hei
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:30 No.28838727
    >>28838569
    Oh god, you're just like the shippingfags, seeing things that aren't there.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:31 No.28838748
    >Why do they have to have every stupid detail explained to them even if not relevant or needed for the story?

    Because Anime is for Kids.
    Kids are stupid.
    Therefore, people who watch anime are stupid.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:32 No.28838783
    It becomes a problem when people start to only consider a romantic relationship as possibly existing
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:32 No.28838794
    >>28838695
    Ita all shit tier do to it being shipping you idiot.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:33 No.28838815
    >>28838676
    Reminds me of what happened with Toradora! also recently. Also Code Geass on the second season. Also a little bit with Bakemonogatari.
    People see a joke and they take it seriously, they correlate spamming or trolling with the fandom and the anime and fail to make their own assumptions easily changing opinions like a tide to be cool.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:33 No.28838828
    >>28838569
    Who's pretending? While Contractors do have emotions it's clear they don't feel things the exact same way as normal people do. Mao said himself that Contractors value rational decisions above all else, and it shows enough that the ordinary person would mistakenly assume that Contractors are emotionless.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:33 No.28838832
    >>28838783
    wow I worded that really badly. You get what I mean. There is no friendship or a sense of family or even hate. It's all romance.
    >> Soap Mac !TAVISH0XrU 12/19/09(Sat)23:35 No.28838870
    >>28838468
    I don't care if it's a real word or not. People who ship are retards. Plain and simple as that.
    Oh sure, the concept isn't terrible. In theory, it's just speculating on which pairings will pop up. But we get fanatics. People could speculate on exactly what the nature of a contractor is, (Even though they don't) but if the show contradicted them, those speculators would probably back down. But shippers on the other hand are willing to completely ignore canon for their fantasies. I don't know why they tend to be so different from other speculators.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:35 No.28838880
    >>28838649
    It's the exact opposite. I understand it perfectly, as it's pretty straight forward. It's just the utter morons above who think they're deep, and read things into the show that simply aren't there. They're as bad as the people they're criticizing.
    The main problem I had was the inconsistency between the way they were described, and the way they acted. This was not only obvious to the viewer, but to anyone who had any contact with contractors.
    Look at the pedophile guy. He obvious has plenty of emotions and doesn't follow the simple "emotionless" bullshit, so why doesn't any of the normal humans he surrounds himself with take notice of this?
    >> Naoto Shirogane !1NaotoFR1k 12/19/09(Sat)23:35 No.28838898
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    Its alright to ship but don't blatantly twist a character to fit your horrible idea of a ship.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:35 No.28838899
    I know trolling is fun but imagine how superior the board would be if we all just stopped.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:35 No.28838900
    >>28838727

    No, the only problem is that you're so fucking dense that you can't see obvious things. This shit happens exactly the same way in real life, and you can't even tell. Why the fuck do you think they keep repeating that contractors and dolls don't have emotions WHEN HALF THE FUCKING POINT OF THE SHOW IS THAT THEY DO? I'm starting to rage at how retarded you are over here.

    And yes, I mad. Fuck your shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:37 No.28838933
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    I like to see Hei paired up with other dudes because I know it will never happen in-show. Voila, shipping problems solved.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:40 No.28839009
    >>28838933
    this is what I always thought shipping was

    a fan-imagined relationship which takes place outside the observed relationships of the show

    turns out it's more of a competition between people who think a relationship will happen before the show ends. And so they bicker about it. It's like fans at a football game.

    But how about, instead of shipping, WE JUST FUCKING WATCH THE GAME

    OBJECTIVELY
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:42 No.28839051
    >>28839009
    >THE GAME

    Oh shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:43 No.28839105
    >>28839009
    No, shipping can happen to canon relationships too. I hate to use this as an example, but look at the shipping wars between Kataang and Zukara fans.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:44 No.28839122
    why do people think browner than shit is a good anime?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:44 No.28839138
    >>28838880
    >The main problem I had was the inconsistency between the way they were described, and the way they acted. This was not only obvious to the viewer, but to anyone who had any contact with contractors.
    >Look at the pedophile guy. He obvious has plenty of emotions and doesn't follow the simple "emotionless" bullshit, so why doesn't any of the normal humans he surrounds himself with take notice of this?

    The reason they don't notice it is because they don't want to notice it. That's not finding meaning where there is none. That's the fucking point. You're arguing against yourself now, you retarded piece of shit.

    You notice something like that, and when people give you the very obvious explanation (since you're too stupid to figure it out yourself), you say they're seeing shit that doesn't exist and that the show is badly written. It's like arguing with a fucking stone.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:45 No.28839152
    >>28839122
    Because the first season was.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:47 No.28839194
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    But anon
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:47 No.28839201
    >>28839152
    no, it sucked to. it had shitty fights and all the good characters died. its only good compared to the trainwreck of a second season
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:48 No.28839204
    >>28838880
    Because he's surrounded by people aware of the existance of contractors. The whole 'contractors are emotionless psycopaths' was just the common misconception of the general populace because, to them, contractors were these mysterious wendigo's that were a threat to society.

    To people like Misaki and human syndicate members, the idea of a contractor experiencing or expressing emotion was completely reasonable. They only really ever remark when a contractor does something entirely irrational or detrimental to themself. Shotacepticon didn't ever actually behave in an irrational manner, he just happened to have a rather flamboyant personality. In a lot of cases, the whole 'contractors are mindless killers' crap was just derrogatory hyperbole from people who held a bitter mistrust of them, like Huang.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:49 No.28839226
    >>28838900
    Heh, it's always amusing when fucking morons like you think they're smart. Trust me, you're not.
    Since you're so close to the idiots you described above, I'll spell it out for you.
    When it comes to the dolls, it can be interpreted several ways:
    1. All dolls have emotions, but they're suppressed.
    2. Dolls don't have emotions, apart from a handful who develop them under special circumstances.
    3. Dolls have only recently started to have emotions, due to the circumstances and changes taking place in the first show.

    As for the contractors, it's still ambiguous. Considering how blatantly emotional a lot of the characters are, the regular humans should take note, especially the ones who dedicate their careers to working with or against them, as this is a huge fucking point that they should take notice of.
    Second, Hei and Mao still think that contractors are emotionless, despite everything they've been through. They point this out several times in both seasons, the last being when they were wondering why Suou wasn't acting like a proper contractor.
    Lastly, many contractors are shown to actually live up to the stereotypes, having changed personality completely and being extremely analytical. We're only shown a handful of contractors, so there's a chance the majorty of contractors actually are close to emotionless. They sure as hell seem to be able to slaughter people without regrets.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:49 No.28839230
    >>28838880
    >Look at the pedophile guy. He obvious has plenty of emotions and doesn't follow the simple "emotionless" bullshit
    Contractors aren't emotionless, they're "rational". There's a difference.

    It's the dolls that are "emotionless".
    >> Turtletron !!2/Iyj3Wa2i/ 12/19/09(Sat)23:50 No.28839264
    NOW I'VE LOST IT
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:51 No.28839279
    >>28839230
    And even then, it was just a generalisation, as they even state that many contractors and dolls have personas programed in via ME.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:52 No.28839300
    >>28839138
    What the fuck? How goddamned retarded are you? "They don't want to notice it?" How can you possibly believe this?
    Their very job is to work with contractors and figure them out, so when a guy who's supposed to be an emotionless machine act like a cheery, joking pedophile, they don't notice because "they don't want to notice it"?
    My god, you're the dumbest piece of shit I've come across in a long long time. But yeah, keep digging that whole, you dumb fuck.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:52 No.28839308
    >>28839230
    If you never act by your emotions, if you are unaffected by them. Emotions that don't bound you emotions that will never control you or change you harmless emotions,if they are irrelevant and you have full control over them, are they really emotions in the true sense of the word?
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:53 No.28839316
    >>28839204
    No, it's not. Contractors themselves keep stating that they're emotionless. Hei even says it to that girl who sets people on fire in the first season.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:55 No.28839391
    >>28839316
    >Hei even says it
    Because
    >In a lot of cases, the whole 'contractors are mindless killers' crap was just derrogatory hyperbole from people who held a bitter mistrust of them, like Huang.

    Hei hated contractors at the beginning of S1, because of the Heavens gate war and the shit with his sister.
    Only other times contractors admit to being emotionless is in being ironic or pandering condescendingly to the common misconception.

    Context, for chirsts sake, context.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:56 No.28839400
    >>28838880

    To me it seems like society have forced contractors and dolls into two roles while nobody questions them, and I get strong feelings that human authority like to keep it that way.

    I believe a major theme is about what makes us human or what define worth in a life form.

    Many have said to contractors something like "why did you kill him? you have no emotions, you monster" implying that humans never kill people. That sociopath even stopped random killings because he could start to think rationally as a contractor. If contractors would see them self as something else as lowly mercenaries what would happen?... like Amber. She and her group gets labeled as a terrorist, but they are freedom fighters aren't they?

    Hei though Yin was worth saving altho was told that "She is just a doll". Now both Yin and July have shown a lot of change as well as other dolls. Its like nobody stopped to check and just took some word for granted... kinda how propoganda works in irl.

    People see what they want to see. If Contractors have emotions, humans are just weak and irrational. If dolls have emotions humans are slavers.

    Or maybe I only see what I want to see? Well its pretty impressive if these themes are only a fluke because of shitty writing. One thing is for sure though is that s2 is quite bad compared to s1

    bad English is bad
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:56 No.28839422
    If the characters in the show were as smart or up to date as you are, it wouldn't be a very interesting show now, would it. You should expect them to be stupid. That's how dramatic irony works.
    >> Anonymous 12/19/09(Sat)23:58 No.28839457
    >>28839400
    Amber was one of the worst monsters I've seen in an anime, willing to slaughter millions of innocent people to save a few thousand dangerous murderers and mercenaries.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:00 No.28839503
    >>28839457

    Except those few thousand dangerous murderers and mercenaries are her kind.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:00 No.28839514
    >>28839457
    Who is the hypothetical monster trying to quantify live?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:02 No.28839565
    >>28839400
    If what you're describing is actually true, the show is a lot shittier than I imagined. Making all humans out to be stereotypical, cynical morons, as if there's no individuality among them.
    Most stereotypes have a core of truth, and there will always be people on both sides of the fence. Just like a lot of people have irrational fears, equally many have irrational sympathy, so there'd likely be lots of discussions about how they should "try to understand those poor, misunderstood contractors".
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:03 No.28839592
    >>28839457
    The double irony in amber was absolutely delicious. Here wa this character with sociopathic monsters carrying out her bidding with brutal efficiency, yet she avoids ever getting her hands dirty, and instead simply plays this omniscient 'director' role, while seeming like an imnipotent, or godlike figure of purity to the rest of the cast.

    The imagery behind her remuneration even went as far as to emphasize this, with the innocent looking toddler in the end being the one pulling all the strings. And all, ultimately, for her own good, for her own little egocentric role as the contractor 'god'.

    You can see a bit of the vindictiveness she enacted through her followers play out in person when Hei has his congratulations scene in the Gate and she gets all flustered and petulant that he doesn't want to do things her way.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:04 No.28839616
    >>28839514
    A few thousand murderers versus millions of innocent people?
    If that's a difficult question in your mind, you're dumber than I can possibly imagine.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:06 No.28839636
    >>28839457

    I never said Amber did the right thing, just that she was a freedom fighter. And nothing suggest that if Contractors ruled the world it whould be all happy and rainbows.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:06 No.28839651
    >>28839592
    I hated her with a passion, wanting to reach into my monitor and slowly strangle the life out of her.
    The fact that people like that bitch is beyond me.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:08 No.28839691
    >>28839616
    contractors aren't necessarily murderers, and the people of tokyo were far from innocent.

    it was a case where there was really no 'right' answer, especially since letting the syndicate win esentially removes the only obstacle that could possible object to their power.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:09 No.28839704
    >>28839616

    ...

    Yeah, let's forget that Amber is also a contractor. She's merely trying to protect herself and her friends.

    Would you save a million of innocent people who hate you or a thousand of people who's your friends, and your own life included?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:09 No.28839721
    Most Contractors were murderers because the Syndicate ordered them to commit them in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:10 No.28839736
    Because people are fucking faggot weeaboo moeblob ^_^ kawaii uguu~ pieces of trash.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:10 No.28839742
    >>28839691
    All the contractors in the show have been shown to be murderers. Either killing each other, armed guards or civilians.
    And yes, the people of Tokyo are as innocent as any general population. They're just regular civilians.

    Personally, I sided with the syndicate. Exterminating the contractors would save countless lives in the long run.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:10 No.28839751
    Even if only 1% of all people were contractors, it would be around 45 million. If it was .1% of people it would still be 4.5 million. If it was .01% then you'd still have 450,000. There's probably more than just a few thousand.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:10 No.28839754
    wait, I thought it was her plan to let Hei use the gate and the shard to see his sister again, and then to do her reverse time trick so that in the end nothing happened and no one dies

    I better rewatch season 1 before I become one of the people the OP is talking about
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:11 No.28839769
    >>28839565

    The show is named darker than black, not Black and White.

    While there is certainly a lot of humans who think different or think its terrible or what ever it plainly in humanities best intrest to stay in power.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:11 No.28839774
    >>28839704
    If all my friends were super powered murderers and assassins, I could understand why people would be upset with me.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:12 No.28839800
    >>28839226
    >Heh, it's always amusing when fucking morons like you think they're smart. Trust me, you're not.

    You might have noticed that I've never said I'm smart. Instead I have kept repeating that you are a fucking idiot. If you can't even pay attention to posts on /a/, how the fuck do you think you're the only one who managed to find the "true meaning hurr durr" in the show?

    >1. All dolls have emotions, but they're suppressed.
    >2. Dolls don't have emotions, apart from a handful who develop them under special circumstances.

    It's a mix of these, combined with the fact that people don't want to acknowledge that they have feelings (which I've been repeating for a while now, in case you were too dense to tell!) Or rather, it's that any doll who gets the chance to open up does just that, in varying degrees. You might have noticed that every damn doll in the show that isn't stuck in a test tube does this. Remember the dumbass yakuza and his doll? You think it's a coincidence that she happened to start showing her emotions as soon as they manage to get away from all the people who wanted to use her as a sex slave? No, it was because she realized the guy actually cared for her, and that's why she started breaking though the whole emotionless outside they have. Remember July and his NAKAMA in the first season? Same thing there. They grew closer and he started showing emotions. And this just so fucking happens to tie into my point that people see dolls and contractors as "them" and not "us", so they don't want to see their emotions or realize that they have them.

    And contractors aren't emotionless. They're rational. Humans only think they are emotionless. Or rather, they delude themselves into thinking it, because they want to see them as nothing but killing machines. You're proving my fucking point.

    And now I'm going to get some sleep, because otherwise your stupidity is going to make me hurt myself soon.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:17 No.28839917
    >>28839616
    I respect your position, despite how hard I am grinning.

    The problem is that the whole debacle could have been avoided before it was resolved by Hei. While I am not a supporter of the idea of Israel something similar could have been established. Thats why I said, and still stand strongly behind what I wrote earlier, that you are a despicable monster for thinking that live can be quantified.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:17 No.28839930
    >>28839742
    They were rational beings, they simply killed because the syndicate (and other international agencies) offered it to them as the best choice for survival. If you had to pick between being executed or becoming an executioner, the choice is pretty simple.

    The populace was innocent in the sense that if you see a completely prevntable crime take place, avoid it and pretend not so see anything, don't intervene, and then don't tell the police or prosecutors anything afterwards, you're innocent of the crime.

    Being a dumb witness and pulling wool over your eyes, all the while egging both sides on out of fear and morbid curiosity does not an innocent populace make. It's like saying slave owners were innocent of slavery because they had no influence on the lawmakers.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:20 No.28840001
    >>28839800
    >You might have noticed that I've never said I'm smart. Instead I have kept repeating that you are a fucking idiot. If you can't even pay attention to posts on /a/, how the fuck do you think you're the only one who managed to find the "true meaning hurr durr" in the show!

    I love the irony of this statement. No, you didn't say you were smart. But, just like you pointed out about the show, you didn't have to spell it out to me. You made it abundantly clear in your post that you think you're smart, with your simplistic theories.

    There has been almost no mention of the regular population's reaction to contractors, and your theory is disgustingly shallow. I don't think the writers are so incredibly stupid that they would use such a cheap trick, portraying all civilians as cynical douchebags who think contractors are monsters to make themselves feel better. You sound like some left wing nutjob trying to describe someone with a different political belief. You're basically doing to the civilians in the show, what you claim they're doing to the contractors. Fuck, you're so goddamned stupid.

    It's particularly ironic, considering human nature is the exact opposite of this in most western countries. A large portion of any modern population havs sympathy for anyone and anything, regardless of morals.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:22 No.28840044
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    >>28839742
    this
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:23 No.28840060
    >>28839917
    Yes, you're the kind of scum that makes the world the terrible place it is. You would value the life of one murderer who has spent his entire life making other people suffer, to that of a thousand people who've dedicated their lives to helping others.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:25 No.28840101
    >>28839930
    That's BS. Most people didn't know contractors existed in season 1, and even if they did, they would only know them as assassins, considering that's what they were.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:25 No.28840104
    Its great that you all stopped playing around with your pokedecks, but aren't you all taking it a bit too far with your illusions of prententious intelectual grandeur?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:25 No.28840115
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    Too many walls of text. Didn't read.

    Season 2 isn't bad for an anime! It just isn't as good as Season 1. High standards.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:26 No.28840123
    I hope you realize that Contractors kill because the Syndicate told them to, yet wants to kill them anyway. The Syndicate is a bunch of hypocrites.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:26 No.28840131
    >>28840060
    Don't read what wasn't written.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:27 No.28840139
    >>28840060
    anime = srs bzns
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:27 No.28840154
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    >>28839194
    NOOOoo, why must it be censored like that!
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:28 No.28840190
    >>28840123
    That's not hypocricy. That's being smart. A bunch of tactical minded, super powered geniuses acting on their own is a huge threat, so taking control of them and keeping them busy killing each other is a smart move.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:31 No.28840271
    >>28840131
    So you do quantify life? Hello there, self described monster
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:32 No.28840313
    >>28840001

    What we are implying is that it seems that the world of DtB is pretty much a dystopia. What the common man thinks is pretty redundant while the nations are buisy trying to become superpowers.

    Have you never felt that your opinion gets totaly ignored in your nation? What if you went out and demostrated about the situation in Africa.. would anyone in power care?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:33 No.28840340
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    >>28839194
    Where could I find more of that.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:34 No.28840370
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    >This is now a Yin thread
    why didn't this happen
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:34 No.28840400
    >>28840101
    Everyone heard of contractors and their exploits, just because the governments were covering stuff up, and the news wasn't giving any details doesn't mean they didn't have to live with the contractors every single day, be victims and bystanders to every single contractor related incident and live their lives aware of what was going on in their world, and how the contractor fit into it all.

    The syndicate tried to ME everyone who came into contact with them, but that was entirely impossible and unrealistic. All it ever really accomplished was keeping the nature of their abilities secret.

    Hell, how do you think an organization like the syndicate ever came about in the first place?
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:35 No.28840416
    >>28840313
    I live in a socialist country. My government and a large part of the population are on their knees, gagging on third world cock. If there were contractors in my country, they would be given more priority and support than the regular population.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:35 No.28840422
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    >>28840370
    I dunno
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:36 No.28840453
    >>28840400
    From what I remember, contractors only became common knowledge after the first season. I'm fairly certain this was mentioned early in season 2.
    >> Anonymous 12/20/09(Sun)00:37 No.28840466
    >>28839194
    And people say it would be like fucking a corpse. Hah!



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