>>27949719
Good, good. We shall take down Japan, one step at a time. Beginning with the entertainment industry.

Well that's just what happens when you make too many moeblob anime.

>>27949719

>Soft-core porn
There's your problem Japan. Make some real fucking hentai.

>/co/

Just as keikaku

If they could just skip the middleman and sell animu to the rest of the world directly instead of shitstains like funimaiton and 4kids, I might actually buy something.
NO AMERICAN VAS
NO EDITING
SUBS ONLY
FINAL DESTINATION

> Industry executives estimate nine out of 10 new workers quit within three years

Wow. Fucking hell this industry is going to die withing 10 years.

tl;dr

i sad face

It's their own system that's wrong. If they just compensated their animators for their long hours and exhausting grunt work--not just dump all the money to the directors and producers, the industry would have grown, not sunk.
It also doesn't help that the old guys--Oshii and Miyazaki, namely--have been bitching about the lack of new talent entering the industry. FIX YOUR GODDAMN SYSTEM JAPAN.

does it really that bad?

>>27949882


Baccano and Cowboy Bebop wouldn't be half as awesome without the english dub, admit it.

Not to mention they won't pick up many normalfags with subtitles and people who care about subtitles will pirate. They don't care about pleasing you because you spit in their face and torrent it instead.

Why don't they start adding English subs to their R2 dvds or something? All I ever see is news about them bitching and moaning as if whining is going to accomplish anything.

It's like they aren't even trying.

Animu dudes must shit themselves with anger when they see how much Family Guy is pulling in.

>>27949719
>Youtube

Hoho, good thing nobody decent streams things around these parts

Well, if they started selling DVDs of their anime in america themselves instead of selling it through shitty dub companies, and stopped that LOL JAPAN ONLY bullshit, they could probably save themselves.

But since japs hate baka gaijin they'll die soon enough.

SOON I WILL FINALLY BE RID OF ITS CURSE

>>27949719
>the many talented employees leaving for better-paying jobs in areas like videogames.

>At the same time, YouTube and other free Internet services have hurt sales of DVDs.

I'd like to see how they calculated that.

>>27949981
This This This.

Jesus christ people.

They need to develop talent in their country and seriously fix up their workforce.

90% drop out rate means they'll be dead soon. It's not like their creative industry it failing across the board, it says their all going to work in video games.

if it's easy to get a decent anime DVD in my country, I would have do so already. Unfortunately, most anime DVD has shitty timing on the subtitles or only provide the dub.

If they expect me to buy, try to fix the subtitle first.

It's pretty funny that people in this thread somehow think that we (non-Japanese) have that much of an impact on their industry.

Someone mentioned it in the thread a couple nights ago, but the anime industry has never been extremely healthy. It was basically on the verge of death in the early 90s.

Who the fuck wants to be an animator other than the hard die ones? It's shit payment and overworking. Their own damn fault for not fighting for their guild rights when they were in time. Now the whole situation is going down slowly.

>government subsidies.

lol

>>27949981
>If they just compensated their animators for their long hours and exhausting grunt work--not just dump all the money to the directors and producers, the industry would have grown, not sunk.

Very true my dear /a/non. Japan sucks at their system. They should compensate their workers more. But unfortunately, the directors would never think it that way because most of them only thinks of their own profit.

Sounds more like companies acting as slavedrivers and less like piracy affecting anything.

"18% due to piracy" is bullshit. More like "nobody's doing anything worthwhile buying" and therefore there are no sales.

>90% drop out rate means they'll be dead soon. It's not like their creative industry it failing across the board, it says their all going to work in video games.

There will always be people who want to do anime.

i will just say endless8
if they got guts to pull out crap like that, then they shouldn't wonder why their sales drop
way too long shonen with shitty filler
each year even more moe and fernservice anime
seinen anime that will never get a second season
and the list goes on

instead of releasing moe shit in the states, they should release more stuff that kids will watch and buy merchandise of

>"nobody's doing anything worthwhile buying" and therefore there are no sales.

this. Just look at this season's lineup.
how are they gonna sell that shit?

Think about how much shitty unwatchable anime comes out every season. I would be ok without all the bullshit that they poop out.

Stupid anime industry. This is why you need to do more moe-blob shows like K-ON <3 XDD

>>27950193
>>27950278

You guys are fucking idiots.

>>27950255
>endless8

QFT

Let's see how they subsidize shit like that.

Fucking idiots.
Funimation and other shitty american localizations have no effect on anime industry, it only affects the horrible dubbing business.
Killing that is actually good.

>>27950292
It would be fine without you too.

>>27949719

Maybe if they'd stop producing utter shit, I'd be more willing to actually >buy some of their crap. But between blatantly trying to milk fans for money and releasing shoddily produced media, I don't really feel like it.

Blame the way the Japanese broadcasting mafia works.

>A shrinking population of children in Japan

I wonder what could have caused that hmm?

>>27950308

Look how stupid you are.

holy shit!

>>27950193
Stuff like Naruto and Pokemon would be really cheap to make and would make a huge amount of profit.

Producers are keeping all the profits to themselves and blaming low pay rates for animators on piracy and other bullshit.

People are right to be blaming Directors and producers for being greedy cunts I think.

It's animes fault for being so crappy.

If it had better writing and less moe, fanservice, generic plot bullshit, I'd buy.

Besides, they get most of their money through merchandise. (Guess why Otaku moeshit is massproduced. Not for the DVD sales...)

>>27950384
what

>>27950255

>i will just say endless8. if they got guts to pull out crap like that, then they shouldn't wonder why their sales drop

Didn't sell too badly. Not sure why you'd bring it up.

>way too long shonen with shitty filler

Because this is new? And hasn't been going on at least since DB?

>each year even more moe and fernservice anime

Some of the best selling anime are "fanservice" and "moe"-centered.

>seinen anime that will never get a second season

So even if it sells like shit it should get a second season? That's your plan?

>>27950129
>I'd like to see how they calculated that.

By asspull. Typical [citation needed] journalism in that article.

>>27950255 i will just say endless8 if they got guts to pull out crap like that, then they shouldn't wonder why their sales drop

Haha yeah those fucking fags, doing something risky and creative.

They should have stuck to generic moe! Enjoy your K-ON!

>>27949981
Industry and management can't be counted on to do anything that isn't good for them in the short-term. The workers themselves need to step up to the plate and take control of the industry; only then can creativity be able to return.

>>27950449
>Endless Eight
>creative

>A shrinking population of children in Japan

LOL as if that has any affect on dvd or toy sales, Japan has the largest population of manchildren in the world !

Also it's the animation studios fault, they only make mediocre shit, name one 2009 anime that deserves to be bought on DVD I dare you !

>>27949719
>wsj.com
>pirating

Guys, is it bad that my first thought was that it was going to be a Weekly Shounen Jump article about One Piece...

It's the new trend to accuse piracy when a media business goes low.

Of course, they shoot their own foot. They are asking for more control and regulations, and less freedom. But doing so specially when many human rights and feminist associations are looking for such controls too (for completely different reasons) is not wise.

To each their own. Anyway, most workers in the japanese animation industry are paid and treated like bloody shit.

>>27950449
>doing something risky and creative.

Risk doesn't always lead to reward, bro. It's not because what they did was different that we disliked it, it's because there is little satisfaction watching so many episodes in a row about essentially the same things.

>>27949882
Enjoy paying 50$ for 2 (maybe 3 if you're lucky) episodes, oh wait you don't even buy it now that you can buy an entire season for 30$.
Face the facts piratefag, you will never buy animu.

>>27949716
please stop spamming Ａｎｏｎ Ｔａｌｋ .com thanks

Most of the workers in the anime industry are overworked and underpaid. Most of the money ends up with either the producers or the directors. If this continues, not many people would want to work in a niche where all their hard work is repaid with nothing at all. Before they even point hands at piracy (and I have bought anime DVDs before), they should first look at how bad their system currently is. If they made things more equitable and just for the workers in the anime industry I don't even think piracy will have a huge effect on it. Before they learn to point fingers at others they must first see the dirt in their fingernails. When a system is as crooked as that, I don't see why it won't eventually die.

>>27950564

I would buy animu if they managed to make the buyable version better than the downloadable one in some meaningful fashion.

>>27950449 Haha yeah those fucking fags, doing something risky and creative

It wasn't risky or creative. It was full on fail.
And most creative and risky lol animes that were made in the recent years have bombed.
Kaiba and Casshern Sins both bombed, Trapeze isn't looking good too.

What anime studios should do is go back to the roots of anime - godly movies, fuckwin ovas, shity kiddie anime with the exception of the rare derpity herp sci fi animu. Back in the day tv anime sucked ass, you better habeeb it.
That's they're mistake, they stopped doing ovas and movies, it's not like a 20 minute long tv episode takes a lot less effort or time to make in comparison to 20 minutes of movie footage.

>Anime workers are unhappy, toiling long hours at low pay

Is that our fault?

>Morale is low

I would feel depressed at job if they pay me a shit

>The unspoken understanding was we worked on weekends because we loved the work

I think someone is lying to make us feel bad or something.

>>27950503
Aoi Bungaku, Trapeze.

>>27950503

Spice and Wolf 2

The industry just needs a new Gainax.

>>27950835
>I think someone is lying to make us feel bad or something.
Not really.
>>27950733
The only way they could do that is if they included merchandise with the DVDs/Blu-Rays because everything they put on the disc would be pirated, then you would just complain about how they include stupid shit you could buy separately which only makes it more expensive.

TL;DR You will always come up with some retarded excuse so that you don't feel bad about piratan.

>>27950384
Holy shit a KFC

>>27949882

FUCK YEAAAAH ENGLISH DUB 99% of the time is bullshit and full of fucking shit i mean FANSUBS are better than most proffesional translations and they do it for free LOL why not pay them japan? and release it as a download like i dunno 1 blueray is what 25 bucks with 4-5 episodes ? sell us fansubeed episodes for like 6 bucks direct to drive lol and give 1 buck per episode to fansubing grup ????? PROFFIT clean high f proffit

>>27950995

Everything gets pirated. I'm not saying it isn't helping it along, but it doesn't make or break an industry.

well if you buy dvds from dub/localization companies none of the money goes to the Original japanese Studio

Honestly, this is Japan's fault. Do you honestly expect anime fans, comprised predominantly of college students, to pay 100 dollars per show to watch something that people in Japan can watch more or less for free on tv?

Face it, unless the import companies start charging reasonable prices for these shows, there is no way in hell anyone would watch anime abroad. It's the difference between a slim market and no market.

>>27950835
>>Anime workers are unhappy, toiling long hours at low pay
>Is that our fault?

Not exactly our fault, as we can't really get animu by any other means other than pirating or getting shit dubs. They are accusing Japan's pirating a reason for the sales to be declining - thus giving the animu sales less profit. If there's less profit, less money to the company and its workers. But is it our fault if we don't buy dubs that aren't worth buying?

it's just the money that isn't being administrated properly.

>>27951119
"I'm too fucking stupid to read so the characters must speak AMERICAN"

People don't want to pay 50 to 80 bucks for 2 episodes

i buy dvds. but the money is not going to the animators anyways..

>A shrinking population of children in Japan has discouraged toy makers, television networks and other traditional sponsors from funding new programs.
Clearly this is our fault. We gaijins aren't impregnating enough Japanese schoolgirls.

>>27951218
>hurr durr dubs
FUKN SHUT UP THE DVD WAS INVENTED LAST DECADE

>>27951295
They should outlaw abortions and legalize rape.

>>27951119
Fansubs are "better" because it's a literal translation and not something made to fit the mouth movements while sticking as close to the script as possible.

>>27951181

Yeah 100$ is too much, I live in europe and 500$ in my country is considered a good salary, I'm not giving a fifth of my salary for a fucking boxset. Companies might as well file for bankruptcy as far as I'm concerned, it's a tough time for everyone, Japan is obviously in denial about it.

>>27951164
>hurrdurr how do I licensed animu?
>>27951181
>reasonable prices
I bought GITS SAC, 2nd GIG and Solid State Society for 50$, where the fuck do you buy your animu? Oh wait, you don't.

>>27951308

Even though it's in DVD, do they come with good quality dubs, the original japanese dubs and with good-quality subs? I take all that into consideration, also. Don't take my post that way, even if I omitted something as small as this.

>>27951317
>Fansubs are "better" because it's a literal translation and not something made to fit the mouth movements while sticking as close to the script as possible.
> made to fit the mouth movements
Because the official subtitles must be exactly the same as the dub right?

>>27950995

More like, you keep making up excuses in the vain hope that people will pick your inferior offerings over the superior value for money the fansubs offer.

Piracy is in the end just a competitor like any other. You have to out-offer it.

Here's a few fucking ideas:
- arrange it so that there is a _professional quality_ english subtitled version of the season available the very day it first comes out (the subs must be better than fansubs, this is critical)
- make the Blu-Ray box nice
- make it cost so little that it's easier to buy it than waste the time on torrenting multiple 4-5 gig files, ideally the entire season should be about 10-20 bucks
- don't waste money on dubbing anything

Those are the terms where I would maybe begin considering paying some money for this shit.

>>27951181
>Honestly, this is Japan's fault. Do you honestly expect anime fans, comprised predominantly of college students, to pay 100 dollars per show to watch something that people in Japan can watch more or less for free on tv?

100$ per show? wut? Anime dvds are like ~70$ each, and there's usually 6-8 dvd per show, so it's more like ~500$ per show

>>27951415
This.

>>27951415

This, also. Hell, I'd pay up to $35 for a 24 episode season if it's good quality.

>>27951114

KFCs are EVERYWHERE in japan.

You know what would fix the anime industry?

Crunchy roll done correctly.

The problem is it isn't.

Hopefully Crunchy roll fixes it's shit I guess.

>>27951433

With $500, I could either buy a new computer or buy an xbox 360 along with three new games. I seriously doubt any single anime series is worth an xbox + 3 games.

Moreover, about 90% of all anime is complete shit and there's no way I'm paying any amount of money to find that out.

>>27951490

I hear the nipponese eat KFC for Christmas.

>>27951490
So they like BOTH watermelon and fried chicken... Something's not right here.

>>27951415
A season for 20 bucks is kinda low. I paid 40 dollars for a season of Futurama and it didn't kill me.

>>27951518

Paying for stream is the most retarded thing mankind ever did.

>>27951415
>- make it cost so little that it's easier to buy it than waste the time on torrenting multiple 4-5 gig files, ideally the entire season should be about 10-20 bucks
>- arrange it so that there is a _professional quality_ english subtitled version of the season available the very day it first comes out (the subs must be better than fansubs, this is critical)
BOST tried that, didn't work.

>- make the Blu-Ray box nice
The box sets are already fine.

- don't waste money on dubbing anything.
That would make them lose far more customers than they would gain from a few piratefags.

>>27951518
crunchyroll only pays rights to TV Tokyo and broadcasting studios. The guys working behind it don't see a cent of the money.

>>27951536

But now we know...as much as we don't show...
OUR WORLD HAS BEEN BLACKENED

>>27951555
>That would make them lose far more customers than they would gain from a few piratefags.
Sad but true. Brain dead idiots are the only ones who buy DVDs nowadays.

I prefer manga, so fuck you.

>>27949715
please stop spamming Ａｎｏｎ Ｔａｌｋ .com thanks

I'd rather just have the industry collapose and either stay dead or be rebuilt better thanks to the recent failure still in memory.

>>27951555

So it's a "few" pirates now? How are these "few" pirates killing anime?

>>27951548
woopsie, forgot my stroke

Do you know what would fix the anime industry? Live streams with localized commercial interruptions. You still have the DVD option but instead of losing profits to fansubbers, you reap some of the international market by offering what is essentially televised anime over the internet.

The problem is, I'm not sure if it's cost-effective for anime companies to do such a thing. Even if the technology and business infrastructure were already in place for such a thing, it still might not be profitable for companies to go to such lengths for extra sales.

>>27951555
>BOST tried that, didn't work.

Bullshit. Nobody has tired that.

>>27951571

What's the point of this discussion?

American dubbing has nothing to do with what is happening in Japan, it's their home market that is crumbling due to years of shitty output, outsourcing and African working conditions.

ITT faggots pretend they didn't get into anime by watching it dubbed.

>>27951610

Read >>27951604

The problem is their model. Who the fuck thought buying TV airtime was a good idea? It's like double dipping for the TV execs. Why don't they just move all their anime to satellite/cable and make a profit with advertising like a normal industry?

It must be a mystery that A actually buy manga like berserk then op? Manga is worth buying over anime, because it's not that expensive (Well, berserk is, but it's worth it) but some series aren't, i bought love Hina (uggh) for 4-5$ per volume, around 45$ for the entire series, how much would that cost me if it was an anime of 24 eps? 70-100$. And the reason people buy manga is the translation is superior to the scans online, and that's rarely the case with Fansubs vs half assed subs done by funimation or what ever company that licensed the anime.

/rant

>>27951604

Also, the small little detail that in Japan you are expected to pay the price of a maxi-sized box set for a single episode.

>>27951610 ITT faggots pretend they didn't get into anime by watching it dubbed.

You better habeeb it faggot.

>>27951610

What?

I've seen, maybe like two or three dubbed anime series in my entire life (both of which were on Adult Swim) long after I got into anime. Also, what a completely irrelevant point to bring up in this discussion.

>>27951593
Only a few piratefags would buy animu, the rest would carry on piratan.

>>27951610
Raping TV shows by dubbing them is not normal in my country.

Meanwhile in AMERICA:

>well paid animator sits at his workplace doing nothing, has a coffee, draws a bunch of keyframes for Family Guy, wonders where he put his phone and sighs because he wanted to work on a different series.

>>27951610

We don't all live in the USA or Germany.

ANIME IS DYING BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE STILL WATCHING ARE FAT OTAKUS WHO ONLY EVER WATCHED TO FAP TO GIRLS.

evidence, K-On and Bakamonoagatari sales through the roof. Shows like Baccano bomb.

>>27951634 And the reason people buy manga is the translation is superior to the scans online

The translation is worse or the same if you're lucky.
They buy it because paper >>>> screen.

>>27951638

Yes, that's part of the shitty output.

Anime industry, like any other failing market, will change and adapt, the current model is doomed to fail because it's retarded. There's nothing we can do about it.

>>27951688
>K-On and Bakamonoagatari sales through the roof. Shows like Baccano bomb.

Good.

>>27949719
>China and South Korea now churn out high-quality anime-style programs

>>27951705
derp

>>27951705

More like fuck you. Moeshit needs to die already.

ENJOY YOUR SHITTY ANIME WHILE I ENJOY MY AWESOME VIDYA, AN INDUSTRY 1000 TIMES MORE PROFITABLE.

>>27951715
More like Baccano is shit to begin with. Cry more jews

>China and South Korea now churn out high-quality anime-style programs
What? Links so I can see for myself.

>>27951710

Chinese manga/anime: Now with 50% more propaganda!

This is the only sort of anime that will be left in a few years

>implying to know the model

DVDS aren't the only source of income faggots

ITT: SEA FULL OF RETARDS

Automation is destroying Anime. Not Piracy. With automation, they no longer need to employ a lot or PAY their employees. They can have a few excellent artists on staff and pay them a lot, and automate the rest. Heck, recently I was at a con and the main background artist was digitizing his own art because it had gotten so simple and automated to do. So, he essentially by multi-tasking killed off a couple of positions and lowered the price of the ones they had left. Multi-tasking is killing the economy. Not Piracy. Piracy is always a result of HIGH DEMAND and low supply.

inb4 Japanese government bailout of anime studios

>>27951761
And what else is a direct source of revenue from the anime itself, not figs etc? Don't they have to pay just to air it?

>>27951688 Shows like Baccano bomb.

> Implying Baccano isn't a moefag show.
> Implying Baccano bombed.
> Implying Baccano is some sort of heprity derp good animu.

It's not just anime that's going under, /tv/ is dieing too. Welcome to the age of interactivity !

Vidiya killed the video star !
Vidiya killed the video star !
You are now listening to this manually.

>>27951726
Enjoying Grenade of Grenade: Modern Grenade 2?

>>27951769
How the fuck is getting rid of the worthless grunts and keeping production costs down while retaining quality a bad thing? You fucking moron.

>>27951757

Doubtful. More like this will be the only type of anime left in a few years.

>>27951769

Making things easier = destruction? Okay.

>>27951792
>Vidiya killed the video star !
I'm okay with this, games > tv > anime.

Japan is still failing to put out many good games this gen.

>>27951797

Ah yes, the consolification of PC Games is complete!

Never again.

>>27951797

No, enjoying BC2 beta, Uncharted 2, Assassin's Creed 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 right now.

>>27951797
Why yes, yes I am.

>>27951747
god dammit, why do you make me cry again?

Nope you are going to continue to have elite separation until the system fractures into BLOODY revolution.

>Her contract position as an entry-level animator requires her to stare at a computer screen for nearly 12 hours a day.

PEOPLE GET PAID FOR THAT SHIT?

>>27951816

>Japan is still failing to put out many good games this gen.

Japan died with the PS.

>>27951831
Any anon could do that.

You could have posted this article 15 years ago and it would still hold true.

Next.

>>27951853

This. Japan needs to realize that the xbox 360 is the go-to platform this generation and not the PS3.

Also, there needs to be a JRPG revolution. End the goddamn Final Fantasy series already and work on new franchises with innovative concepts. Stop rehashing the same shit combat systems over and over again.

Japan hasn't made a TON of great games this gen, but the best games from Japan absolutely demolish the best games from western devs. (Street Fighter 4, Virtua Fighter 5, Devil May Cry 4, Ninja Gaiden 2, Vesperia, Valkyria, Demon's Souls - all at the top of their genres).

>>27951902

>xbox 360 is the go-to platform this generation and not the PS3

>>27949716
please stop spamming Ａｎｏｎ Ｔａｌｋ .com thanks

>>27949718
please stop spamming Ａｎｏｎ Ｔａｌｋ .com thanks

Start a new trend. Become unemployed at Middle Age so you can enjoy a mid-life retirement (because you can't enjoy it as a bedridden old-timer). Then, die on the job and lose your bowels so the MAN has to clean it up.

Most pirates download or stream and then delete. They aren't DVD buyers.

>>27951902
>waaaaaaah i want something new
>ff12 comes out
>wtf is this shit where's my turn base?

>waaaaaah i want something new
>last remnant comes out
>wtf is this shit where's my final fantasy?

>>27951902

>This. Japan needs to realize that the xbox 360 is the go-to platform this generation and not the PS3.

>>27951933
PS3 is a failure all around. Deal with it.

>>27951902
Yet the Japanese gamers hate the filthy gaijin-box so the Japanese studios have make games for the PS3.

inb4NOGAEMS

>>27951918

Well gee, are you saying that Japan makes the best Japanese JRPGs and Japanese fightan games?

ARE YOU MAAAAAAD?

>>27951902
> Japan
> innovative concepts

You're joking, right ?

>>27951968


Why would you think that?

>>27951918

Shin megami tensei, persona, ect.

what companies declined dvd's now agian?

>>27951983
Fighting games, action games and RPG's in general. Fallout 3 is putrid and Oblivion is one of the worst games of the generation. Fable is an RPG for children and what else is there? Mass Effect the shitty third person shooter?

>>27951988

It's funny because it's true.

Japan is the best when it comes to reverse engineering, but innovative concepts are nowhere to be found in the Land of Tradition and Suicides.

>>27952027
I forgot about Dragon Age actually which looks excellent. Haven't played it yet though.

Oh, and let's not forget, Japan is the only place producing real games these days. Pic related.

Enjoy your shitty "cinematic experiences" from western devs.

>>27952027

Tell me then, the best games from the "generation".

the real problem is every body and their dog can use a computer to draw....just look at 4chan...

STOP MULTITASKING

>>27952027
Opinions

>>27952110
>Japan
>Real games
This is what casuals actually believe.

>>27951548

>>27952122
>>27951769
Stop trolling you horrid retaded samefag.

>>27952027 Fallout 3 is putrid

I am now deceiving a way to kill you through the internet.

>>27952031
This is 100% correct.

They've never created much of anything in Japan. All they've ever done is make things smaller/faster. The entire culture lacks the ability to think outside the box.

>>27952205
Fallout 3 is putrid.
compared to Fallout 1

>>27952246
Fallout 3 >>> Fallout 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Fallout 1

>>27952246
>Give modern gamer Fallout1 without any outside resources.
>Watch him die horribly over and over, get frustrated, call the game shit, give up.
Modern games are shit. There's a reason I've switched to anime from vidya.

>>27952205
>deceiving

I don't think you know what this word means.

>>27952284
The only way your post is accurate is if you're rating them in terms of ease.

>>27952117
Only from consoles (from the top of my head):

Street Fighter 4
Tales of Vesperia
Dead Space
Bioshock
Half Life 2: Episode 2
Demon's Souls
Valkyria Chronicles
Ninja Gaiden 2 (not Sigma 2)
Left 4 Dead
Dead Rising
Braid
Cave games in general (Mushihimesama Futari, Death Smiles, shit port of DoDonPachi)

Honorable mentions: Gears, Mass Effect, Banjo Nuts and Bolts, Uncharted, GTA4, DMC4

Probably forgetting some stuff but that looks about right. Haven't played most of the new releases (Uncharted 2, Dragon Age) yet either.

I could do a list including PC, DS and PSP but we're mostly talking about consoles here right? A list including DS and PSP games would have a whooooole lot more Jap games as well.

>>27952309

I think he meant devising.

>>27952031

You're telling me that a country which produced games like Chrono Trigger, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy, Street Fighter, and Mario is not capable of innovation? Seriously?

Japan created more video game archetypes than any other country. The country has proven itself to be completely capable of innovation; the problem is the lack of financial incentive to do such. With video game production costing as much as it does, you're taking a huge risk by creating something completely out of the ordinary. A bland game that does everything properly will still be played (see any Madden game ever) whereas an innovative game like Braid will never enjoy the same profits as the big title simply because there's not that much demand for a "new" type of game. It's the same thing with movies these days; Hollywood blockbuster movies rarely innovate since even bad movies that stick closely to the formula will be profitable, or at the very least recoup the cost of filming it.

How did this turn into a consolewars thread? Jesus it really is inescapable /v/ = /a/