Why is her blood orange?

Source?

What happened to First Squad?

>>25965121
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_90iFLjdqQ

>>25964749
I think youre getting them mixed up with ecchi visual novels.

>>25965151

Nah, this is an animated short from Genius Party.
Great animation but absolutely no shading or color.
Just goes to show the sad trade off.

>>25965190
No i was making fun of you for thinking animation needs epic amounts of shading and detail* to look good.

*And by "detail" you of course mean fucking shines.

>>25965190 Great animation

The animation is very fluid.
BUT...
It is 100% motion captured. They simply traced over a real girl. Even Ralph Bakshi, one of the worlds best animators, states he wished he hadn't done that for Lord of the Rings.

>>25965190
So kinda like western animation?

>>25965295
Wait what? He's one of the world's worst animators. He's only known because his awful movies got cult status for their content.

>>25965309
Yes, just like the producers of the worlds greatest animations.

>>25965295
>Ralph Bakshi
>one of the worlds best animators
0/10

I loved this one.

I still think Dimension Bomb is the best Genius Party so far.

>>25965265

Doesn't need like 20 tones like old SNK games... but just a bit of color would be nice. I mean, look at the screencap. That's practically all Studio 4c stuff now. And has been Mamoru Oshii's color palette for ages.
Fuck man, remember Akira? That's how to color.

>>25965295
True, rotoscoping is kind of cheating.

>>25965394
You don't know how hard rotoscoping is

>>25965295

That wasn't mo-cap'd. Tanaka is just that good.

These lol shading discussions are always stupid.

OH SHIT CHECK OUT ALL THIS SHADING AND DETAIL!
THERE'S LIKE 8 DIFFERENT COLORS IN HER EYES!!

>>25965444
This, people think it's just tracing but shit is much harder than it sounds.

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>>25965370

Hey, I like Bakhshi's stuff. Especially Fire and Ice, I think it was called. I'm not into the cat one but some of the animation in, say, Cool World is pretty freaking awesome even if the movie ain't that good.

>>25964749
ITT: brown is real

>>25965470
>>25965444
No. It's extremely easy and cheap, which is why they do it. It also looks like shit.

People don't seem to understand what 'good animation' even is.

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time was brilliant and those characters had absolutely no shading, yet the animation was wonderful. It's like those retards that screenshot that Naruto fight where Sasuke's mouth appears on his forehead without realising that in motion it works. Good animation doesn't mean every drawing has to be perfectly on-model or shaded to death

>>25965354
What? Western animation is the epitome of shit.

>>25965492
So basically, you're a jackass who doesn't have the faintest clue what he's talking about.
Why the hell are you posting?

>>25965483
Rotoscoping was used in Haruhi too
but just only scene

You know why?
It's hard as hell

>>25965483
>also looks shit

So fluid animation based off actual movement looks shit? I guess mocap looks shit too.

I don't think rotoscoping is hard. Also, it limits the artistic style because you have to trace over a person... meaning they have stumpy legs and human proportions.(Spriggan and Naruto are really bad for this)

Something exaggerated and stylistic like Utena could never be rotoscoped because of the artistic variation in limbs and proportions.

In short, once everything is motion captured, there will only be one body style for anime. One of the reasons I got into anime was the wide range of art styles, from super realistic like Buichi Terasawa, through Fist of the North Star up to Dirty Pair Flash. And CLAMPS proportions are different again.

Genius Party shows how widespread motion capture is becoming and, sorry but it really isn't hard to do compared to animating the entire sequence from your imagination.

>>25965558
Im willing to bet it can be computer assisted to some extent.

>>25965501

You have no clue what you're talking about.

SAUCE?

>>25965589

Motion capture can throw stuff into uncanny valley really fast. It's difficult to make it not look creepy sometimes.

>>25965589
Yes, it looks like shit. You can immediately tell it's traced, and you lose all creativity, exaggeration and personal touch.
It's the same as when they use motion capture for cutscenes in games. It just looks awkward and underwhelming.

>>25965628
bump please

>>25965621
Obviously I do. You're just a butthurt /co/ fag.
Western animation has been shit for the past 20 years.

>>25965558
Dude what?
I'm an animator and i have experience in rotoscoping.
Rotoscoping isnt hard.
You film something then trace it.
Way easier then sketching out the movement yourself.
Hell the only reason animators use a fancy name like "rotoscoping" rather than just "LOL I TRACED SHIT" is so that people wont call you lazy.

>>25965558 It's hard as hell

How is it hard, oh animation expert?
Enlighten us please.
I thought you just set up a camera, filmed someone in the clothes you want, then traced it and added an anime face?

All the decent Naruto fights are motion captured, because it would take a genius to animate actual life-perfect body movement rotating 260 degrees whilst dodging trees etc.

ITT: tracing. Reviled and condemned in the art world. Accepted with open arms in modern anime.

>>25965680
>It's the same as when they use motion capture for cutscenes in games.
the fuck?
anyone not using motion captures in games? this has been dominant (only?) way of doing that since forever
(not counting crap/low budget games)

>>25965558

Rotoscoping isn't "hard" it's just a bit more time consuming from an anime perspective if you're doing it at the proper frame rate (in other words actually shooting at 24-30 unique fps, rather than shooting on the 3s like most anime is done). If anything it's just really really fucking tedious, but not even remotely difficult compared to trying to figure out how to draw complex actions and look natural from scratch.

>>25965558
No, it's because it looks cheap, and is too easy to tell apart from proper animation.
Ever seen those awkward dance scenes that they seem to put into every anime nowadays? Most of those use rotoscoping, except with considerably more editing than usual.

>>25965707

You must be some animator if you don't even know what a rotoscope is. You know who invented those things and what they were used to make, right?

>>25965748
Consolefag detected

>>25965597
Except studio4c dont rotoscope.
Enjoy your realistically animated and proportioned characters!

ITT: Bitches don't know bout my SUPERFLAT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat

>>25965394

Akira used rotoscoping for parts

>>25965851
yeah... we probably do actually

Rotoscoping is awesome if used correctly

>>25965776
If you mean the patented device that the term gets it's name from....yeah i know that...no one has used one of those in decades.

>>25965707

SECONDED.

I believe the name "rotoscoping" was coined by French games studio Delphine for Another World and Flashback. It was kind of new and innovative back then, and looked great in action, like so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EauQflxrZH0&feature=related#t=2m11s

The first motion captured/rotoscoped game was International Karate on the C64. The guy put tracing paper over his TV screen whilst watching Enter the Dragon and motion captured into tiny 8-bit pixels!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5NrUGDspR0

>>25965887
Then quit bitching about lack of shading like it's a bad thing.

>>25965804 Except studio4c dont rotoscope.

Except they do.
All the time.
They're the biggest offenders!

K-ON! use rotoscoping too
It can be good if you know how

>>25965997

Where?

>>25965776
pfffft.....we use computers now grandpa.
Go back to 1915.

>>25965804
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttE4pFq-Lw&feature=PlayList&p=B43011E82AB88335&playnext=
1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

This video will show you how 4c do rotoscoping

>>25965997
>>25965804
Source, faggots

FUCK STUDIO 4C
THIER STUFF LOOKS LIEK SHIT
QUIT MAKING ANIMU NEW AND DIFFERENT
I NEED IT TO LOOK JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I JACK OFF TOO

>>25966062
>Studio 4c rotoscoped a video from god knows how many years ago.
>Studio 4c ALWAYS rotoscopes

That's a hell of an inference you've made there buddy.

>>25965946

Less shading than the 80s glory days is one thing...
NO FUCKING SHADING AT ALL like in the OP pic is another.

because OMG brown is realistic and grey is just like real life!!!

You need to check out the Blue Skies in Games petition! lol

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2005/11/blue-sky-in-games-campaign-launched.html

>>25965997
Proof.

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>>25965492
a thousand times this

and my favorite 4c animus are the really cartoony and unrealistic ones that couldn't have been rotoscoped, about 80% of Mind Game's animation for instance (excluding the live action bits) couldn't have been traced off of real life footage since it was way too stylized and silly looking
>>25966140
>80s glory days
please tell me you used that term sarcastically

>>25966090

Yeah, not to mention it's a damn commission, made to order music video. I can think of a couple of times rotoscoping has been used in any of their shorts projects though.

Was Kids Story (Animatrix) by them? That was partially rotoscoped. But it also had some of the most fuck-win Shinya Ohira animation ever, so I can forgive. I thought Beyond (the Morimoto short) was rotoscoped until I framed through parts of it. It wasn't rotoscoped - the footage was just used as reference. Plus there's some great Aoki/Tanaka/Morimoto animation at then end that defiantly wasn't rotoscoped.

>>25966062
Proves nothing other than that Linkin Park ruin everything.

ITT QUALITY garbage with no regard for artistic integrity vs. the flawless animation of old

god i miss the 80s

>>25965733
AAAARRRRRGHGHGHGH
ROTOSCOPING ISN'T MOTION CAPTURE

YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH THAT IT HURTS MY BRAIN

>>25965733
>All the decent Naruto fights are motion captured, because it would take a genius to animate actual life-perfect body movement rotating 260 degrees whilst dodging trees etc.

YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH THAT IT HURTS MY BRAIN

>>25965597
>In short, once everything is motion captured, there will only be one body style for anime.
>Genius Party shows how widespread motion capture is becoming

YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH THAT IT HURTS MY BRAIN

>>25965295
>It is 100% motion captured. They simply traced over a real girl.

YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH THAT IT HURTS MY BRAIN

>>25966140
Like anime was ever supposed to be 'visually realistic'

It's alright to have a personal preference when it comes to shading/no shading, but its stupid to say that animators who choose to stylistically avoid it and then focus their efforts instead on backgrounds or actual fucking animation is 'bad' or a 'lack of talent' is asinine

>>25966240 please tell me you used that term sarcastically

Sorry if you only got into anime through One Piece and haven't seen anything earlier than K-On, but the 80s were the big budget experimental era of Japanese animation. The Macross movie developed many of the techniques used later, and was basically an experiment into how many layers of parallax scrolling could be done on practically infinite budget. Akira has still not been topped for framerate. Nausicaa, Totoro... come on. Anyone who says the 80s weren't the best period of anime is fucking blind or just doesn't understand the principles of animation and creativity.

oh gainax how the mighty have fallen

>>25966469
>>25966401

Both look fine. What's the comparison here? A studio is skilled enough to do a range of animation from photo-realistic to super-crazy cartoony. Sounds good to me. Or is that your point?

>>25966401
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>>25966469

80s GAINAX is the best GAINAX.

>>25966437 YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH THAT IT HURTS MY BRAIN

Uh.. so explain then if you know so much?

You won't find (good) fully animated works with many tones on the human characters when it's not necessary on the account that it looks horrible--or at least it would be nearly impossible to do on a high enough level. You can't spend hours upon hours on each animation frame. The only reason anime has been able to get away with it at times is because of the emphasis on limiting animation. Many times it still looks unappealing.

When it comes to animation, shading is nowhere near as important as the linework, colors...and obviously the animation itself. Shading isn't supposed to be what the look of the art is based on under normal circumstances.

>>25966434
see
>>25965492
>It's like those retards that screenshot that Naruto fight where Sasuke's mouth appears on his forehead without realising that in motion it works.

sure, Tanaka's film was totally lacking in shading and colour

>>25966621You won't find (good) fully animated works with many tones on the human characters...

AKIRA
MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE
NINJA SCROLL
PROJECT A-KO
ANGEL's EGG
GUNBUSTER
DANGAIOH
BUBBLEGUM CRISIS...

>>25966532
Indeed! Stuff was actually creative and detailed back then. Now it's nothing but hideous LOLZANY Kanada style bullshit animation.

ITT: *Anything old is dated and shit.
*New things are automatically betterer because they're new.
*Color and shading are unrealistic and things need to be in varying tones of brown only.

>>25966768

Why do I have the feeling we've been Otafagged?

>>25966483
>Sorry if you only got into anime through One Piece and haven't seen anything earlier than K-On,
oh man guess I'll have to get ready for a really condescending and pretentious ANIME EXPERT post
>The Macross movie developed many of the techniques used later
unless I watched a really hideous version that removed more than half the frames (which most likely isn't the case since a lot of the comments on that particular upload were "HOLY SHIT THE ANIMATION IS AMAZING), the Macross movie was very detailed but had some severely choppy animation during mecha action scenes. human ones looked good because they were clearly rotoscoped though, but during those "concert + EXPLOSIONS AND ACTION" bits you could tell how the framerate went down a great deal between the dancing and the fighting robots
>Akira has still not been topped for framerate.
Akira is brilliantly animated but it does not represent the 80s as a whole, most 80s anime was just as choppy as Macross DYRL
>Nausicaa, Totoro
high-budget, well animated Miyazaki movies are still being made.

also you mentioned One Piece, try to avoid a kneejerk SHONEN = SET FAIL reaction for a while and watch the sixth movie. wonderfully stylish and fluid animation with no shading from some of the best people in the industry (a good chunk of the really impressive sakuga MADs contain footage from that movie).

>>25966683
>ANGEL's EGG
this is wrong, but the girl did have pretty hair
>DANGAIOH
had good scenes here and there but a good chunk of it was stills

>>25966774
No one has said that, are you that desperate? calm down

>>25966768
>Now it's nothing but hideous LOLZANY Kanada style bullshit animation.
Which is as prevalent now as it was in the eighties.

>>25966866
It's taken over Gainax, and other shitty studios who are too lazy to animate properly have started using it too.

>>25966774
OP's pic has shitty colors but that does not represent most of 4c's work

go watch Mind Game you fucker, shit is colorful as hell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBJibul630w&feature=related

I don't get why people have to bitch and whine that everything isn't done in their favorite art style. Eveyones idea of whats right seems to be slightly different and no one can agree on anything.

I'm all for variation in a medium, even if I don't like everything that's made. Japan's been making cartoons for fucking decades. There's enough stuff out there in all kinds of different styles, even if there's nothing you specifically like coming out this season/year.

SHAFT's powerpoint slideshow technique

is the greatest technique ever in Japanese animation history

>>25966683

You do realize Akira is the only work you listed that's fully animated, right? And it was mostly a base color with one tone of shading.

>>25966943
it has no shades, its garbage

>>25967008
I also like how they only have 1 shade for each color. At least with them, Red is Red, not burgundy, or crimson or other colored faggotry.

>>25966989

Oh, and not to mention these things come in waves. For all I know there might be a 80s-style revival in a couple of years, just like there's been a 70s-style revival in recent years.

If you want better movement detail and more shade

This is how anime going to be

>>25967086
Why'd you post one of the panels off of the GTA4 box cover?

>>25967107
>>25967107
Hell no

>>25966510

god i hate you 10/10

>>25967146
How is that a troll? What's wrong with appreciating the golden age of animation over undetailed, cheaply made garbage like this?

>>25967177

I thought the golden age of animation was the 30s and 40s?

Or is that a different golden age of animation?

It's not like any of Gainax's animation has been on par with Gunbuster for the past decade. Not ever since the LOLSORANDOMXD ADHD shitfest FLCL was made.
>>25967220
I'm referring to anime.

>>25967236

Oh yeah, because anime isn't cartoons. I forgot that. Carry on.

I mean, what the fuck is this? What happened to the Gainax that made Gunbuster?

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>>25967177

you are the cancer killing /a/

please link me that one picture of that guy from deviantart arguing highlights made 80s animation better

There was no rotoscoping in Tojin Kit, stop spreading bullshit.

STYLE not QUALITY XD

ITT we are stupid enough to think that one snapshot of a particular show/movie is representative of the entirety of that show/movie/studio's collective works/anime as a whole.

ITT we do not forgive directors for entirely necessary stylistic choices.

One film having a very earthy brown/green color palette is not indicative of the loss of color throughout the Japanese animation industry. Gaudy bright colors wouldn't fit the tone of that particular film. Other films in Genius Party had nothing but bright, eye-piercing colors.

ITT we reminisce fondly about the freaky mismatch of extreme levels of detail combined with the fugly anime faces of the eighties, rather the the far more varied yet at the same time more stylistically consistent anime of today.

ITT we think computers are somehow involved in rotoscoping.

ITT when we see something that has particularly accomplished animation, we assume that it was rotoscoped and state that as fact, even when it is far more likely to have been simply referenced, or as is often the case, they are simply that good.

ITT we consider rotoscoping to be a lazy, cost-cutting technique, no matter how it's used or why it might be used.

>>25967236
fuck off Otaking.

>>25967318

Shhhhh.... leave him to it. He's on a roll.

>>25967321
that really isn't QUALITY, I blame ED for this spread of ignorance

>>25967300

They got their own style.

>>25967318
>GhostNia

Pretentiousness levels of this thread just went through the roof.

>>25967343

I just don't like people talking shit about my bro Tatsuyuki Tanaka.

>>25967357

It's not. QUALITY is just plain bad animation. Intentionally being highly stylized isn't QUALITY any more than a Picasso is a child's doodle.

Oh look, it's the guy who posts dozens of Imaishi screenshots while claiming to hate them again.

Aren't you bored of this reverse trolling yet?

>>25967420
>implying that picasso was a good artist

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>>25967177

Not this shit again. We weren't interested in this rant the last time you posted it, and it hasn't gotten any more convincing.

>>25967397

;_;

That's sweet. Especially since he animated some of the best parts of Akira. I fucking love that guy. Very few Japanese animators draw with the weight he does.

>>25967321
That is style.

You can call it a shitty style all you want. I'm not going to argue with you, but for the love of god and for the overall quality of /a/, please learn what the fuck QUALITY actually means.

"BUT IT'S HIS STYLE!!!!"

Imaishifags prove once again that their favourite artists are on the same level as the average deviantart kiddie

you want QUALITY?

Here is your QUALITY

>>25967518
you can call his style shit or whatever, just please learn the meaning of QUALITY

>>25967518
p. much yea

I found this totally rage worthy blog from some idiot who doesn't know shit about animation. just take a look at this nonsense and get your angry reaction face macros ready cause here comes the faggot train:
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php?p=33&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
>Naruto #30, #71 - The two episodes that stand head and shoulders above the rest of the series in terms of extravagant and kick-ass action animation. And what army was responsible for it all? An army of two: Atsushi Wakabayashi (storyboard, director, animation director, animator) and Norio Matsumoto (animator). (check out this site for a selection of clips from episode 30)
just for the record, he's praising the episode where THIS frame came from.
>Puchi Puri Yuushi #7 - Hiroyuki Imaishi turned this episode of an otherwise ordinary moe Gainaix show into an action free-for-all that stands out in stark contrast to the rest of the series.
oh so he's not only a mindless "MOE = INSTANT FAIL" sheep but he also loves the work of the most overrated one-trick pony in the industry
>Abenobashi Shotengai #3 & #12 - Maybe each episode of this series was purposely made in a unique style to match the gimmick of the week, but none of them were half as good as Hiroyuki Imaishi's episodes, which really stand out from the rest.
you know what would totally stand out? my FIST in your FACE, asshole!

can you believe that some people consider this guy an animation expert???

>>25967518
The Deviantart kids claim to have a style as an excuse to cover up the fact that they can't draw.

That's not what Imaishi is doing. He DOES have a style. It's a style that plenty of people enjoy, is popular, and sells. Bad art doesn't do that.

>>25967518

Have you seen the realistic full-frame stuff he did on the 90s Lupin OVAs? When he was in his fucking early 20s. Dude can draw.

>>25967547
Stop fueling this retarded discussion.

>>25967547
WHAT A TOTAL FAGGOT!!!!

>>25967564 It's a style that plenty of people enjoy, is popular, and sells. Bad art doesn't do that.

Yeah, no. See deviantart again.

>>25967575
why couldnt he stick to that instead of this garbage

>>25967547

That's trying way too hard. Any credibility to used to have as a troll is now totally out of the window.

It's too bad Kanada's shitty style didn't die with him.

>>25967547
>just for the record, he's praising the episode where THIS frame came from.
And he's not wrong in doing so.

Shit looks a lot better in motion than it does when you pause it at that one particular frame.

Once again, you faggots really need to learn what QUALITY actually means.

>>25967642
indeed, what the fuck is this shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUlgEwTGmQ&fmt=18

i will make it my lifes goal to take a huge shit on yoshinori kanada's grave

then i will pick up a chunk of it and smear it across his gravestone so it reads "talentless hack and the murderer of detailed well animated anime" written in my feces

enjoy sucking cocks in hell FAGGOT!!!!

>>25967625
he decided to break from the mold and do his own thing, faggot I know

there are faggots that get tired of the same shit, faggots

>>25967708

You need to take cartoons less seriously.

>>25967547
watch the gif

>>25967739
fuck you

i fap to mai waifu noriko-sama every day in the name of quality, well shaded animation

what have YOU done to promote quality anime? yeah thats what i thought
>>25967750
it looks like shit
>>25967712
THAT FUCKER KILLED GAINAX NOW IT'S ALL ADHD SHONEN GARBAGE

>>25967708
You're too knowledgeable about it and have too many links readily available to even be convincing as someone who hates his animation. Stop doing this already. It's merely annoying. You're just annoying like-minded anons. I don't get it.

>>25967825

Bugger all. Why is it my job all of a sudden to promote "quality anime" - an idea that, as /a/ personifies, isn't a universal constant?

I doubted the people calling you a troll before, but you certainly seem like one. Lots of stuff being posted with no supporting evidence.

>>25967837
I made an "ITT name your favorite animators and post your favorite sakuga MADs" thread yesterday but it died in a matter of minutes with no replies

on the other hand as a result of my retarded obvious fakeposts I managed to spark some interesting discussions in the past that I then started posting in unironically and found out a lot of stuff about key animators

Somehow I get the feeling people are confusing art and animation here..
Art = pictures
Animation = movement

Bad pictures can have godly movement.
Bad movement can have godly pictures.

Easy enough?

Maybe we can send Matsumoto money for drawing lessons, lol

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goddammit, THIS


Also, I like how in those threads no one EVER considers the shit payment most animators receive in the japanese industry.

>>25967941

Because /a/ isn't the place to discuss animators? This thread should demonstrate that. Not to mention, it's the weekend.

You could try /m/, especially given your tastes in anime and aesthetics.

The only thing I know about animation is that. Good animation is fluid and bad animation is a slide show.

>>25968137

In other words, Bakemonogatari is shit.

>>25967941
>I made an "ITT name your favorite animators and post your favorite sakuga MADs" thread yesterday but it died in a matter of minutes with no replies
That's because it's too direct. You're practically saying - NAMES, LIST ME OFF SOME NAMES SO I CAN CITE THEM IN FUTURE THREADS
If you wanna start an interesting animation thread, start with something that promotes discussion more. All you're doing is promoting hate and annoyance and further trollery this way.

>>25968075
>You could try /m/, especially given your tastes in anime and aesthetics.
are you kidding? /m/ is where I got my ideas for an over the top 80s nostalgiafag gimmick. last year all I had to do was bring up RE: Cutie Honey and talk about it in a positive light and have at least three guys calling the first episode a hideous ADHD mess an an insult to the work of Go Nagai

a good chunk of the shit I posted in past threads were direct copy+pasted quotes from /m/
>>25967966
at one point I assumed that anime fans will never move past the idea that detail = animation quality but I think /a/ became significantly less retarded as of late

QUALITY threads in late 2007-2008 were filled with squash & stretch frames and I was the only one who seemed to disagree
>>25968050
ugh that fight was so ugly

did you pause during that 61293470213748fps scene at 14:27??? narutos face was totally not detailed at all wtfffff

>>25968164
Dunno haven't watched it, don't feel like it either.
>>25968137
I wish the whole series would be animated like that =(

Dear lord, looking at 4c stills hurts the eyes with ugly. Please make that picture move.

>>25968137
I just like to point out that that explosion was godly.
That is all.

>>25967331
how did this post slip by unnoticed?

>>25968165
>That's because it's too direct. You're practically saying - NAMES, LIST ME OFF SOME NAMES SO I CAN CITE THEM IN FUTURE THREADS
that's ridiculous and paranoid, why would you assume that?

anyone who's enough of a nerd to care about key animators already has more than enough sources for animator names AND footage of their work; why would I need you guys if I wanted to reverse-troll more good animators?
>If you wanna start an interesting animation thread, start with something that promotes discussion more
like what? I wanted to post Haruhi porn in the OP or something but that would've brought in the wrong audience.

>ITT: Faggots who can't draw shit pigeonhole an artistic medium.

>>25968165
Not the guy you were referring to, but as trolling as OP sounded, his post did promote more discussion than an "ITT name your favorite animators and post your favorite sakuga MADs" thread would and look at what happened.

I for one would rather start a thread about animation using the latter phrase because it would attract more people who ENJOY it rather than the bunch of retards this thread did.

Sorry all of you, but early 80s to mid 90s takes it.
Show me something new that matches this gif.

>>25968412
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMx6ZKAwY4E

>>25964744
> Old. I already read this on http://www.anertalk.com/ (aner = anon) last night.
How come this always is asked here?

>>25968412
>>25968467 here

Oh, and just so you know, Kou Yoshinari animated, painted and made ALL of the effects on that animation BY HIMSELF.

>>25968328
well he did say
>ITT we reminisce fondly about the freaky mismatch of extreme levels of detail combined with the fugly anime faces of the eighties, rather the the far more varied yet at the same time more stylistically consistent anime of today.
people either agreed completely or thought "he's too retarded and not worth arguing with, hmpf"
>>25968389
it didn't, nobody replied at all

I guess people don't like discussing stuff they sincerely like unless there's something or someone else they can bash in return to make up for it, which is why they reply to my lame fakeposts but not a sincere attempt at starting a discussion

>>25968412
even the more recent Gaiking show (a really low budget and often QUALITY-filled series from Toei) had FAST PACED MISSILE LAUNCHING SCENES. not as detailed as that but it's still fairly common.

got no missiles, but in return I give you Takeshi Koike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b4EEVoVLlc&fmt=18

he worked on some "old school" shows but also a lot of recent ones, and to be honest I find his recent work way more stylish

>>25968553

For what it's worth, I would have posted some MADs, but I didn't see your thread, because I actually have a job as an animator.

These troll threads don't really help for any kind of discussion though. Just keep posting non-troll threads about animators. One day, a good discussion will pop up. It's happened before.

>>25968343
It's too confining for an opening post. With that, all someone can really post for you, or rather, all they are invited to post for you is an animator's name or a Youtube link. Sure, further discussion could come out of that between the subsequent anons who post in your thread, but it isn't implied in the opening post.

This isn't entirely a board of likeminded people, so you can't necessarily start a thread with "How do you feel about the dissolution of artistic styles throughout anime today" or something as thick and heavy as that. Start off with something more open ended, like "what is your favourite animated scene, and why?". It's a question that anyone could answer no matter how extensive their animation knowledge, but would also undoubtedly have anons posting where they fellate their favourite key animators.

>>25968780
yep, I guess I'll keep trying. minus the whole 'obvious troll spamming' nonsense.
>>25968788
great tips, thanks.
>>25968467
oh man, I forgot all about Eureka 7 and Bones' work in general. no studio could've churned out 50+ episode shows with such consistently smooth and impressive animation in the 80s

also more Takeshi Koike because he is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFkkNxXuqQ0&fmt=18

oh and, everyone should watch Trava.

>>25968910

> minus the whole 'obvious troll spamming' nonsense.

Nice to hear. When is Red Line actually coming out? I've been waiting for years, since it was announced, but I've completely lost track of it recently.

I've got a book with some of his illustration work somewhere....

Seriously, I'm masturbating in anticipation of Redline

and slightly confused by the similarity of Tailenders...

>>25968989
It already launched at some animation festival a while ago (but wasn't very successful sadly), don't think any DVDs are out yet though.

even if there won't be any subs or even raws, I'll find a way to watch the damned thing anyway.
>I've got a book with some of his illustration work somewhere....
scan it, goddamn

Trava had shitty animation, 90% of each part was just them sitting around with mouth flaps

>>25969041
Both Tailenders and Redline look like OvalXOver - The Animated Series.

Speaking of which, are there any decent quality uploads of this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvAt7mzq6E8

I've seriously never seen it anywhere outside of Youtube.

>>25964749
>shading
Go home, Johnson

>>25969126
Your point? That's 90% of all anime.

>>25969126
action scenes were brilliant though, you'll have to give it that

>>25969198
And 90% of all anime is shit.

That said, Trava's mouth flapping bits were worth sitting through since some parts were incredibly fun to watch.

>>25969241
they were worth sitting through because the dialogue was great

http://catsuka.com/player.php?id=mad_Tetsuya_Nishio pretty good animator

did lots of work for OLDSKOOL stuff and also some of my favorite scenes from FLCL

also, obligatory Yuasa trippiness http://www.catsuka.com/player.php?id=mad_Masaaki_Yuasa2

>>25969465
whoops meant to link http://www.catsuka.com/player.php?id=mad_Masaaki_Yuasa1

oh well

>>25969491
that had no shades, its shit

>>25969583
not that funny anymore

but thanks for bumping

>>25969070

Ah. I'm not surprised it wasn't successful on the festival circuit. His work is, dare I say entertaining, which is why film festival fags wouldn't like it. Waking Life it is not.

I haven't got the book on me - I think it was a magazine actually. It only had a couple of pages on him. Been moving quite a bit recently (animation as a career is not all its talked up to be) and my crap is all over the place.

I've got the book this is from here though. Shit's awesome A2 size.

Trava was basically Lucky Star with uglier character designs. Nothing but inane conversations and dullness.

>>25969675
>Shit's awesome A2 size

holy fuck WHAT

Is it from that Edge artbook? If so, where did you buy it??

>>25969842
yeah, that's Edge

>>25965733
Can anyone tell me witch Naruto fights used rotoscoping? Like the older ones such as Sasuke vs. Orochimaru and Rock Lee vs. Gaara or more recent fights? I haven't watched Naruto in 4 years.

Also obligatory, gif of Yuasa's scene from champloo.
>>25969702
I haven't looked into it much since I realized it was an entire movie about poorly rotoscoped people reading out existential Livejournal entries - is Waking Life really that highly regarded among artfags? I do remember seeing a forum post comparing Mind Game to it, but that's all I can remember.

Saved pic regardless of mediocre quality and IRL lensflare.
>>25969702
>Lucky Star with uglier character designs
oh hey another reverse trolling fan

high five

regardless, girls in military uniform is sexy

>>25969887
None of them. The only thing that's even close to rotoscoping is that OP of Naruto and Rock Lee's silhouettes sparring with each other.

And that often flaunted Cowboy Bebop gif. But seriously that's it.

lastly, does anyone happen to know where this Imaishi picture comes from? I saved it off some random thread ages ago and I still haven't found the source.

>>25969842

Yeah. The book is A3, but obviously when you open it up the illustrations are across 2 pages. I've had it years, can't remember where I got it from. I defiantly imported it direct though.

I've got tones of stuff like this. More than a few of the studio 4c rips are from my DVDs.

Studio 4C > Shaft

>>25969959
That's in Edge.

>>25969959
wait fuck I think it's from the same book as >>25969675

assuming it is, seconding >>25969842

>>25969982
thanks

where the christ can I find that?

>>25970049
I dunno, I bought mine in a bookshop. I'm sure you can find it online somewhere though.

>>25970069
>I dunno, I bought mine in a bookshop
do you live in moonland or did it get an official western release? or was it some kind of specialized import store.

>>25969967
Awesome. I've wanted that book solely for You Yoshinari and Kenichi Yoshida's illustrations.
I wish I could find at least the ISBN for it...

Here's the Sushio from Edge if you wanna finish off the trio

>>25970105
Specialized import store I guess. Orbital in London.

>>25970139
goddamn all of my favorite animation people contributed to this ffff

Yoshinari's illustration

http://benippon.com/en/edge-a-collection-of-paintings
http://www.amazon.com/Collection-Paintings-Tetsuya-Takeichi-Nakatake/dp/499017481X

Could this be it?

Also lol at one of the first Google search results for the artist names + "edge" leading to an archived /a/ thread

>>25970236
I fucking love this man.

>>25970315
whoops false alarm it was an /m/ thread

buying this regardless, and I don't even pay for animu & mango-related stuff 90% of the time.

>>25970326
Me too. He's my idol both as an animator and illustrator.

>>25970315
Shiiiiiiiiit, that's the one. Strange, I did search for it in amazon a while ago and found nothing.
Much appreciated, anon.

>>25970236
Yoshinari is a fantastic animator and was responsible for some of my favorite Gainax animu scenes, didn't know he had such amazing painting skills too.
>>25970450
Assuming I manage to acquire a copy, I'll make sure to scan the shit out of that bitch. Maybe not all of it, but at least a few decent-quality scans of the standouts to increase awareness.

>>25970406
>>25970326

Fuck yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOBG3CCew7Q

This is the same Yoshinari isn't it? There's more than a few and I get them confused from time to time.

Kenichi Yoshida' illustration

>>25970511
Yeah that's Yoshinari at his finest.

>>25970574
OKAY WHAT THE FUCK, HE'S IN IT TOO?

I need this goddamned book

>>25970500
>>25970511
>>25970406
>>25970326

I find it weird how even though Yoshinari is such a culted animator, there's little info about him around... I did get to find random pieces of info about him in a few interviews, japanese wikipedia and texts made by fans, but that's all.
I've heard he's kinda shy though, so maybe he doesn't like attention... he even uses a pen name on his (assumed by fans) pixiv gallery.

>>25970592

Yoshinari, Sushio and Imaishi are my favorite fuckawesome tag-team animators. Their work is so distinctive and stylized, completely different, but at the same time very clear and recognizable.

There's a sequence in the middle of Imaishi's Princess Yucie episode where the three of them have scenes all in a row. Shits awesome.

>>25970685
>(assumed by fans) pixiv gallery.
Link please?

>>25970911
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=461718

It has the name 'Otonari Kobo', but I (and fans from moonland) am 100% certain it's his artwork.

There's also another guy on pixiv whom I haven't found any info in the internet, but I suspect it's You Yoshinari's brother.

And if anyone's interested, there's also Ryo-chimo's gallery. It doesn't has much, though.
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=30949

Holy shit, how the hell did this thread suddenly turn civil halfway through?

>>25970640
I'll give you the list on the back of the book:
Akitoshi Yokoyama, Atsuko Nakajima, Hiroyuki Imaishi, Hisashi Ezura, Hitoshi Iwakiri, Kazuya Tsurumaki, Kazuyoshi Yaginuma, Kenichi Yoshida, Kouichi Arai, Koji Morimoto, Masaaki Yuasa, Michio Mihara, Not Osada, NUIT, Okama, Osamu Kobayashi, Shinji Hashimoto, Shinnya O-hira (interesting way to spell it), Sho-u Tajima, Sushio, Shojirou Nishimi, Shuichi Hirata, Tadashi Hiramatsu, Takeshi Koike, Takuya Saito, Tatsuyuki Tanaka, Tetsuya Nishio, Toihachi (toi8), Tokuyuki Matsutake, Toshiaki Hontani, Toshio Kawaguchi, Yoh Yoshinari, Yu-koh Osada, Yusuke Yoshigaki

>>25971151
happened as soon as I admitted that I was fakeposting and explained my reasons for doing so, somehow

>>25970980
This animation is also by "Kubo" if you need any more proof of it obviously being You Yoshinari
http://openpost.jp/users/view/b90b35be1ce8b7b8faf72cf4dbd96b1f

>>25971098

So he drew that Cynthia picture? I love that picture.

I have his full linetest/rough edit for his sketchfight in Noein somewhere. Several versions - one with his roughs, another cleaned up etc. I imagine it's up on YouTube though.

>>25971250
>Kubo
KOBO
I've been exposed to too much Bleach discussion.

>>25971167
>Masaaki Yuasa
I normally avoid using image macro replies at all times but this is a very special occasion.

>>25971266
No, that's Gorobots

>>25971167
>Hiroyuki Imaishi, Kazuya Tsurumaki, Kenichi Yoshida, Koji Morimoto, Masaaki Yuasa, Michio Mihara, Okama, Osamu Kobayashi, Shinji Hashimoto, Shinnya O-hira (interesting way to spell it), Sushio, Shojirou Nishimi, Tadashi Hiramatsu, Takeshi Koike, Tatsuyuki Tanaka, Tetsuya Nishio, Yoh Yoshinari
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

>>25971307

My bad. I need to learn to fail less at pixiv.

Fuck all of you, Genius Party Beyond was fucking incredible.
Dimension Bomb and Gala especially.

>>25971250
Yeah, I've seen those. Amazing stuff.
Man, I really would like to watch an anime series directed by him.